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[zecho]

Does anyone have a source for the third line of Please ever being "Push it away and it all comes back again"? On the wiki it says that it was changed in the recording, but the liner notes have it written the same way it's sung.

[Erneuert]

Does anyone have a source for the third line of Please ever being "Push it away and it all comes back again"? On the wiki it says that it was changed in the recording, but the liner notes have it written the same way it's sung.

You are right - it’s sung as “but it all comes back again” and is printed that way in the booklet. Amending it now.

[sheepdean]

Hive mind, question
This page is uncategorised, what do we do with it? http://www.nin.wiki/My_God_Is_The_Sun

I don't know if it's a cover, as it's the band performing it with Trent as a guest. It's a weird oddity that I can't figure out what to do with

[eversonpoe]

Hive mind, question
This page is uncategorised, what do we do with it? http://www.nin.wiki/My_God_Is_The_Sun

I don't know if it's a cover, as it's the band performing it with Trent as a guest. It's a weird oddity that I can't figure out what to do with

i don't know much about the structure or where you're trying to categorize it, but i think of it as a live collaboration.

[sheepdean]

i don't know much about the structure or where you're trying to categorize it, but i think of it as a live collaboration.
I'd agree, but giving it that tag won't really help categorising it on ninwiki as nothing ELSE has that.

Maybe I should make a collaborations page...

[eversonpoe]

I'd agree, but giving it that tag won't really help categorising it on ninwiki as nothing ELSE has that.

Maybe I should make a collaborations page...

yeah, i mean, any gary numan covers where gary came out live and sang with the band, any live bowie collabs, and the stuff they've done with dillinger would all fall under that category. OH and all the stuff with TVOTR & peter murphy!

[sheepdean]

yeah, i mean, any gary numan covers where gary came out live and sang with the band, any live bowie collabs, and the stuff they've done with dillinger would all fall under that category. OH and all the stuff with TVOTR & peter murphy!
The problem is, all of those are easier - it's someone coming out to NIN to play their songs. That's a cover, NIN is playing it.
With My God Is The Sun, QOTSA played it, and Trent guested. NIN didn't appear at all (Buckingham was there but that's it), so it's NOT the band covering the song, it's QOTSA performing their own song with a special guest, no different to when NIN has Garson on a NIN track.

If you missed it, this all stems from my new page btw, http://www.nin.wiki/Cover_Songs

[piggy]

I was thinking that maybe we just don't really need that page at all.

[sheepdean]

I was thinking that maybe we just don't really need that page at all.
Yeah I'm feeling that. We don't have Option 30 song pages yaknow?

[TheBang]

I was thinking that maybe we just don't really need that page at all.
I don't think it's significant enough for an entire song page dedicated to it, but the information does deserve to be documented somewhere. I'd categorize it as a live guest appearance. Other live guest appearances would include Trent guesting on Suck vocals with Pigface, and, um, I guess performing Supernaut with the Revolting Cocks? I guess I'd put Kick Out the Jams in that category too. It was SSSC's cover with Trent as guest appearance.

[fillow]

FWIW, Dreams by TVOTR is also Trent performing as a guest, not the other way around.

And I would say keep pages for everything. What are we, running out of server disk space?

[ninjaw]

Same thing here always keep infos

[sheepdean]

Kick out the Jams already has a page - honestly the fact it wasn't a cover is the biggest issue, if it was I could just label it one. But it's a page made for a guest appearance and I'm not super sure it shouldda been done at all*. It's one of few uncategorised pages on the wiki, and the only song page. A new category of guest appearances would be interesting, but it would open a can of worms for many more things that we've not put on for being too tenuous.

I think we also need to at some point discuss where the "nin" of ninwiki ends and the "Reznor, Ross and Co." begins.




*Yes I know I'm the one who made the page

[sheepdean]

Opinion time people:

I kinda want to make a Covers Of NIN page, just to keep track of them all (and that way Linkin Park, Cash, Maroon 5 etc can get their references without an extensive page).

I was thinking of doing it in the style of Remixes, by album and then by song, for comfortable browsing. Does anyone have a better idea, or thinks this is a bad idea to begin with?

[Erneuert]

Opinion time people:

I kinda want to

Kinda I want to*

I think that sounds like a good idea, go for it.

[ninjaw]

Opinion time people:
I kinda want to make a Covers Of NIN page, just to keep track of them all (and that way Linkin Park, Cash, Maroon 5 etc can get their references without an extensive page).
I was thinking of doing it in the style of Remixes, by album and then by song, for comfortable browsing. Does anyone have a better idea, or thinks this is a bad idea to begin with?

Great, let's start with my old collection

Broken Machine - A Tribute to Nine Inch Nails (2001)/01 - Burn
02 - Heresy
03 - Happiness in Slavery
04 - Starfkers, Inc.
05 - Big Man With a Gun
06 - March of the Pigs
07 - Kinda I Want To
08 - Head Like a Hole
09 - Hurt
10 - Reptile
11 - Terrible Lie
12 - Into the VoidThe Day the World Went Away


Covered in Nails - A Tribute to Nine Inch Nails (2000)/
01. Rosetta Stone _ Closer
02. Sigue Sigue Sputnick _ Piggy
03. Razed In Black _ Starfuckers, Inc
04. Die Krupps - DKay.com _ The Perfect Drug
05. Candymachine88 (ft. Tina Root Of Switchblade Symphony) _ Mr Self Destruct
06. Newlydeads _ Terrible Lie
07. Meeks _ Down In It
08. Pig _ Head Like A Hole
09. Sheep On Drugs _ Wish
10. 16 Volt VS. Spahn Ranch _ That's What I Get
11. Shining (ft. Julian Beeston Of Ex-Nitzer Ebb) _ Something I Can Never Have
12. Interface VS. Sinboy _ Reptile


nine inch richards - closer to hogs (1995)/
01 - Closer [The Closer to the Hogs Mix]
02 - Closer [Closer to Hogs II]
03 - Closer [The Long Horn Version]
04 - Deadbeat


Radiant Decay - A Tribute to Nine Inch Nails (1999)/
01 - Closer [Sister Issa Mix]
02 - Piggy [Bassland Dub Mix]
03 - Wish [Padded Room Mix]
04 - Sanctified [Left Justification Mix]
05 - Mr. Self Destruction [Diesel Mix]
06 - Sin [Pinched Mix]
07 - Last [Bent Harassed Mix]
08 - Suck [The Electrolux Mix]
09 - Down in It [Digital Grind Mix]
10 - Something I Can Never Have [Bleak Mix]
11 - Hurt [Start the Violence Mix]


Re-Covered in Nails - A Tribute to Nine Inch Nails (2001)/
01. Guenter Schulz & En Esch _ Terrible Lie
02. Razed In Black _ Sin
03. Electric Hellfire Club _ Heresy
04. Synical _ Burn
05. Inertia _ Sanctified
06. Filmstrip _ We're In This Together
07. Lucifer Scale _ Last
08. Necromantik Sunshine & Oko Jumu _ Hurt
09. Nova Mortuba _ Ringfinger
10. Stun Gun _ Gave Up
11. Godbox _ The Only Time
12. Porcupine Defense _ Reptile
13. Goteki _ Suck


The Section - The string Tribute To The Nine Inch Nails (2002)/
01 - Piggy
02 - Heresy
03 - Just Like You Imagined
04 - The Fragile
05 - Into The void
06 - Closer
07 - Something I Can Never Have
08 - Suck
09 - Eraser
10 - Bonus


Tribute to Nothing - Daedal Drones (2003)/
01 - Blue Rats (Coil cover)
02 - DopeShow
03 - Now I'm Nothing
04 - Eraser
05 - Everything's cool
06 - TMHBM
07 - ThisIsTheDay
08 - HandsOfAsh


Trixter - Undercovers (1994)/
01. Trixter - Pump It Up
02. Trixter - 50 Ways To Leave Your Lover
03. Trixter - Terrible Lie
04. Trixter - Take The Long Way Home
05. Trixter - Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
06. Trixter - Revolution
07. Trixter - 50 Ways to Leave your Lover (Unplugged)
08. Trixter - Fight for Your Right (to Party)




VA-Nine_Chip_Nails/
01 - Little-scale - The Day The World Went Away
02 - SCSI - Down In It
03 - Microchip - Survivalism
04 - Kyotosapian - Heresy
05 - Subway Sonicbeat - Eraser
06 - Hartfelt - Hurt


7E967CD3_march <- unknow metal band covering motp with Y0 logo on the wall
Adenoma - The hand that feeds
Afi - Head Like A Hole
AFI - Head Like A Hole(old)
a Five senSes fisT - I do not want this
Amanda Palmer - Right Where It Belongs (live)
Beat in zen - Terrible lie
Behemoth - Wish
Closer (Nick Evol Remix)
Corey Taylor - Something I Can Never Have (Nine Inch Nails cover) - 12_4_11(1080p_H.264-AAC)
crimes agianst nature
Curl - Closer
Devo - Head Like a Hole
Eddie Vedder - Hurt (Live cover)
FlyLeaf - Sicnh(Live)
Frank Rogala - Closer
Gost - Head Like a Hole (Gost Cover)
Gregorian - Hurt
Gregorian - Hurt (Live)
Gunainm - Hurt
Guster - Down in it (live)
IX - Maybe just once
Johnny Cash - Hurt
Korn - Head like an hole
Linkin Park - Something I can never have
Linkin Park - Wish (Live Rar 040606)
Lullacry - Head Like A Hole
Lunatic Age - Hurt (acoustic)
Mae - March of the pigs
Maroon 5 - Closer (Live)
Maroon 5 - Closer (Unplugged)
Matthew Good - Hurt (Live 2006)
Maxwell - Gotta Get Closer
MGMT - Closer (Live Fall '02)
Mike Garson - Hurt
Most Precious Blood - Head Like An Hole
Nehlaelin - The great below
nine inch nails-02-into the void (meathead cover)
Nosfell - The Day The World Went Away (06-06-2004)
Nosfell - The Day The World Went Away (07-03-2004)
Opium Jukebox - Head Like a Hole
Our Lady J - Hurt
Raw rock militia - Head like a hole
Richard Cheese - Closer
Richard Cheese - Closer (Live Last Call)
Ryan Star - Head Like A Hole
Ryan Star - Head like a hole (Live)
Sad Kermit - Hurt
Sad Kermit - Something I Can Never Have
Scala On The Rocks - Underneath It All
Sevendust - Hurt
Sheryl Crow - Hurt (Live 031011)
SHINESKI - I'm Afraid Of Americans
Spooks Illustrated - Terrible lie (acoustic)
Still remains - Head like a hole
Superhumanoids - March Of The Pigs
The dillinger escape plan - Wish
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Wish (live winston salem nc 030415)
TheLostProphets - Sin (Live london 07)flv
The wishing Machine - The perfect drug
Tiga - Down in it
Toma feat. Dick Rivers - Hurt (Cover Nine Inch Nails _ Johnny Cash)(480p_H.264-AAC)
Tori Amos - Hurt Bells For Her (Live961110)
Tori Amos - Hurt Caught A Lite Sneeze (Live961111)
Tori Amos - Hurt Caught a little sneeze (live Ny Rain 97)
Tori Amos - Hurt Love Song (live961030)
Trixter - Terrible lie

[zecho]

I have no idea how to make a page, but I feel like there should be a page for Mantra. I think it's the only track TR has contributed that heavily to that doesn't have its own page.

[sheepdean]

ninjaw Damn, I'm unsure about live covers because it opens floodgates for SO many bands (the page alone would let anyone add their own after all), but that is useful as fuck
zecho did not realise we hadn't made one, not against the idea (didn't make it myself because I'm not exactly a fan of the track)

[StockAvuryah]

I have no idea how to make a page, but I feel like there should be a page for Mantra. I think it's the only track TR has contributed that heavily to that doesn't have its own page.

If you don't have an account on the wiki, ask for one.

If you have one, just go on this page for example : http://www.nin.wiki/Mantra and click on the grey "create".

And then use another page as a skeleton, like http://www.nin.wiki/Theme_For_Tetsuo:_The_Bullet_Man for example.

[zecho]

If you don't have an account on the wiki, ask for one.

If you have one, just go on this page for example : http://www.nin.wiki/Mantra and click on the grey "create".

And then use another page as a skeleton, like http://www.nin.wiki/Theme_For_Tetsuo:_The_Bullet_Man for example.

I do have an account, and I've made edits, but never a whole page. I may try later if no one beats me to it.

[StockAvuryah]

https://www.wired.com/2010/05/process-song/

Is it possible to have all those samples playable on a wiki page ?

(better layout to play the tracks : https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/butydt/came_across_some_experimental_samples_by_ninhtda/ )

[Jon]

https://www.wired.com/2010/05/process-song/

Is it possible to have all those samples playable on a wiki page ?

(better layout to play the tracks : https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/butydt/came_across_some_experimental_samples_by_ninhtda/ )

I went ahead and backed the article up on archive.today (http://archive.fo/https://www.wired.com/2010/05/process-song/) (does not work with CloudFlare DNS) and the audio on MEGA (https://mega.nz/#F!K3pmXSrR!B7yVecINflv58RE4rMYBAg).

[jmtd]

There’s only one studio recording of AFI’s HLAH, right?

[ninjaw]

There’s only one studio recording of AFI’s HLAH, right?

I'm not sure why I got two but yes, it's probably 2 versions of the same song

[Jon]

I'm not sure why I got two but yes, it's probably 2 versions of the same song

It was released as a promo single (from Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas), and was a bonus track on the UK edition of Decemberunderground. Both are identical.

[Erneuert]

Jinsai’s post in the Radiohead thread just made me notice that there is no mention of the USB leak of Getting Smaller on its page:

http://www.nin.wiki/Getting_Smaller

[ninjaw]

Jinsai’s post in the Radiohead thread just made me notice that there is no mention of the USB leak of Getting Smaller on its page

According to my news, Getting smaller wasn't leaked on USB, it leaked on bittorrent on 28feb2005

[Erneuert]

Sorry I mean on a disc in the car’s disc drive:

https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/160-Radiohead?p=459329#post459329

[alfonso99]

The problem is, all of those are easier - it's someone coming out to NIN to play their songs. That's a cover, NIN is playing it.
With My God Is The Sun, QOTSA played it, and Trent guested. NIN didn't appear at all (Buckingham was there but that's it), so it's NOT the band covering the song, it's QOTSA performing their own song with a special guest, no different to when NIN has Garson on a NIN track.

If you missed it, this all stems from my new page btw, http://www.nin.wiki/Cover_Songs

So, it would be the same as when Trent came out and sang with Street Sweeper Social Club during the Wave goodbye tour.

[nmitchell86]

Hive mind, question
This page is uncategorised, what do we do with it? http://www.nin.wiki/My_God_Is_The_Sun

I don't know if it's a cover, as it's the band performing it with Trent as a guest. It's a weird oddity that I can't figure out what to do with

Sorry for being off topic here but does anyone have the Grammys rehearsal audio and/ or video for Copy Of A and My God Is The Sun? Not the shitty broadcast that cut My God Is the Sun off. This is not easy to find... Thanks!

[ninjaw]

Sorry for being off topic here but does anyone have the Grammys rehearsal audio and/ or video for Copy Of A and My God Is The Sun? Not the shitty broadcast that cut My God Is the Sun off. This is not easy to find... Thanks!

You are off topic and there is a dedicated download request thread, lucky for you I have been rejected from this thread for giving too much for free (???) the video is still available at the original place http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=480953 I reuploaded right here, hope this multiuploader still works fine: https://download.jheberg.net/zmoqqde2h8y3

[nmitchell86]

Thank you! And Yes, I will use the Download thread. Since the topic was fresh in the mind's of the people here, I wanted to see if anyone had it.

[sheepdean]

Ok so, how do we feel about this style? I'm using the remixes layout to allow space for the potential hundreds of covers incoming. Don't wanna go whole hog if someone has a better idea

http://www.nin.wiki/Covers_Of_NIN

[ninlive]

ninjaw nmitchell86 I would make sure to get rid of any links to that source. Even though it was now years ago they really cracked down on it. It was my only email from lawyers about content on the archive. Was no fun.

[nmitchell86]

@ninjaw (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=746) @nmitchell86 (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=5650) I would make sure to get rid of any links to that source. Even though it was now years ago they really cracked down on it. It was my only email from lawyers about content on the archive. Was no fun.

Thanks for the heads up.

[zecho]

Ok so, how do we feel about this style? I'm using the remixes layout to allow space for the potential hundreds of covers incoming. Don't wanna go whole hog if someone has a better idea

http://www.nin.wiki/Covers_Of_NIN

I don't know about this. The remixes page is specifically for NIN sanctioned remixes, but covers can be done by anyone. I don't mind the page existing, I just think it'll easily become the largest page on the wiki. I mean, you could probably list a hundred bands for covering Hurt alone.

[fillow]

It wouldn't be so big if we stick to officially released versions. And you maybe over estimating how many covers are there. Yes, you can probably find 20 or even more versions of Hurt, HLAH, Closer and Wish. For the majority of other songs there would be none or very few, and many of them would be from these terrible electro-industrial tribute albums (or piano/string quartet/lullaby versions). Trust me, apart from the Big 4, there aren't that many.

As for live-only covers, we can maybe limit the page to well established bands/artists and exclude the millions of youtube solo versions and cover bands.

[sheepdean]

I don't know about this. The remixes page is specifically for NIN sanctioned remixes, but covers can be done by anyone. I don't mind the page existing, I just think it'll easily become the largest page on the wiki. I mean, you could probably list a hundred bands for covering Hurt alone.


It wouldn't be so big if we stick to officially released versions. And you maybe over estimating how many covers are there. Yes, you can probably find 20 or even more versions of Hurt, HLAH, Closer and Wish. For the majority of other songs there would be none or very few, and many of them would be from these terrible electro-industrial tribute albums (or piano/string quartet/lullaby versions). Trust me, apart from the Big 4, there aren't that many.

As for live-only covers, we can maybe limit the page to well established bands/artists and exclude the millions of youtube solo versions and cover bands.
I was thinking for studio covers, we allow anything released commercially, and for live, maybe it has to be notable?
Remember membership to the wiki is still closed, so it's not like anyone can sign up and add their band. But I do agree its potential size is insane, I just kinda like the idea of having a list

[ninjaw]

Personnaly I don't see any issues with providing a list

[Rubeninphoenix]

Could the Null Corp page be edited to include the Ashley O "On A Roll" EP that was released?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190619/97639dc17a8fb66ec20eb49488ba7b98.jpg

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[piggy]

On A Roll added.

[Erneuert]

I’ve added in the trivia section for Burning Bright, The Background World and I’m Not From This World that they’ve all been featured in episodes of TNT’s Animal Kingdom. On that note, have we got it mentioned on any page that the theme song for the show was composed by TR and AR? The “sheeee...” at the beginning reminds me so much of Reptile. It’s called Welcome To The Jungle: sheepdean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VTBMTh1MQ (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VTBMTh1MQ)

[wizfan]

have we got it mentioned on any page that the theme song for the show was composed by TR and AR?

It's actually composed by AR and his wife, Claudia Sarne. Trent probably co-produced it.

[Erneuert]

Has it been added anywhere? Can’t see it.

[piggy]

I just added it to the Atticus page.

[ninjaw]

What what what is that show great ? never heard of it ? I have to watch that (sorry for flooding)

[Erneuert]

What what what is that show great ? never heard of it ? I have to watch that (sorry for flooding)

It’s an awesome show about a family of criminal brothers with their mother as the main matriarch/brains behind all the jobs they do. It was originally an Australian film released in 2010. This is a reimagined, Americanised TV series now in season 4. They’ve also featured songs from the trilogy EPs in three episodes. It’s on TNT in the US.

More info here: http://filmmusicreporter.com/2016/03/23/tnts-animal-kingdom-to-feature-theme-by-atticus-ross-score-by-alexis-sam/

[stlkr]

why there is no word in A Warm Place entry that mentions hidden Downward Spiral motif in this track?

[fillow]

why there is no word in A Warm Place entry that mentions hidden Downward Spiral motif in this track?
Because there's no motif in AWP?

[stlkr]

Because there's motif in AWP?
I can record a video after I get from work.

[ninjaw]

I can record a video after I get from work.

A video of what, what does that even mean, and what's your source ?

[ninjaw]

It’s an awesome show about a family of criminal brothers with their mother as the main matriarch/brains behind all the jobs they do. It was originally an Australian film released in 2010. This is a reimagined, Americanised TV series now in season 4. They’ve also featured songs from the trilogy EPs in three episodes. It’s on TNT in the US.

Man I binge watched it what an awesome S04E08 conclusion. However some things are stranges, like most of women characters come and go just for nothing ? what about this christian girl ? why did she reappear for 2secs ? what was purpose of all her apparences anyway ?. Also how can you seriously be attached on your left arm with a TV in a hotel ??? and cannot detach yourself ?

[stlkr]

A video of what, what does that even mean, and what's your source ?
You will see

[Oop.Yarrz]

video of "Hate Tour Intro & Terrible Lie" from May 22, 1990, Palo Alto, CA, The Edge was featured on Post Tv a Bay Area tv channel that featured lots of live concerts and some interviews from like 90-92 (at least from what I can find), and at the end a clip of Trent saying "You're watching Post!". they also used the clip in a promo you can see during the KMFDM episode.... I didn't see this mentioned on the ninwiki or ninlive, and as far tv performances go I usually just hear dance party use which was just the album version then nothing unit the MTV Award Show. so I thought it was worth mentioning, I know the full audio is on ninlive but he doesn't mention the the tv clip... it's on youtube if you haven't seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEXKOR5Oepo&list=PLF08D6DA594063C2D&index=21

[piggy]

video of "Hate Tour Intro & Terrible Lie" from May 22, 1990, Palo Alto, CA, The Edge was featured on Post Tv a Bay Area tv channel that featured lots of live concerts and some interviews from like 90-92 (at least from what I can find), and at the end a clip of Trent saying "You're watching Post!". they also used the clip in a promo you can see during the KMFDM episode.... I didn't see this mentioned on the ninwiki or ninlive, and as far tv performances go I usually just hear dance party use which was just the album version then nothing unit the MTV Award Show. so I thought it was worth mentioning, I know the full audio is on ninlive but he doesn't mention the the tv clip... it's on youtube if you haven't seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEXKOR5Oepo&list=PLF08D6DA594063C2D&index=21
I've added a mention of this to the page for that night's show. Because it wasn't a dedicated TV appearance and only a snippet from a regular tour stop, it won't be added to the "unabridged dates" section on the tours page.

[TheBang]

Would it be worthwhile to have a single article that has a full rundown of all the projects and releases that were announced/teased in some way that were abandoned/cancelled for whatever reason?

A list off the top of my head:

H-Gun Hate Tour video (Cleveland Empire Club)
Simon Maxwell FDtS tour video
March of the Pig original music video
Hurt original music video
Closure DVD
The Fragile deluxe edition/5.1 surround
With Teeth deluxe packaging/book
Every Day Is Exactly the Same music video
Ghosts film festival
Wave Goodbye footage
Year Zero HBO show
Everything music video
Tension Blu-ray
Gone Girl outtakes
Bird Box deluxe edition

[SchwarzerAbt]

A list off the top of my head:

H-Gun Hate Tour video (Cleveland Empire Club)
Simon Maxwell FDtS tour video
March of the Pig original music video
Hurt original music video
Closure DVD
The Fragile deluxe edition/5.1 surround
With Teeth deluxe packaging/book
Every Day Is Exactly the Same music video
Ghosts film festival
Wave Goodbye footage
Tension Blu-ray
Gone Girl outtakes
Bird Box deluxe edition

Tapeworm! :-P

[Erneuert]

You will see

We didn’t see...
TheBang - great idea!

[ninjaw]

Would it be worthwhile to have a single article that has a full rundown of all the projects and releases that were announced/teased in some way that were abandoned/cancelled for whatever reason?

A list off the top of my head:

H-Gun Hate Tour video (Cleveland Empire Club)
Simon Maxwell FDtS tour video
March of the Pig original music video
Hurt original music video
Closure DVD
The Fragile deluxe edition/5.1 surround
With Teeth deluxe packaging/book
Every Day Is Exactly the Same music video
Ghosts film festival
Wave Goodbye footage
Tension Blu-ray
Gone Girl outtakes
Bird Box deluxe edition

Very nice, dont forget the very last video "with people running", the whatever video about cartoons and Eminem (I cant remember what the hell was that ?), the quake vinyl, the unfamous two girls removed from nin videos : TDTWWA and Into the void (we got proof) and... god i may have lost the very rare picture from EDIETS I discovered on the Rob's online book... or not I think I hidden it on my old nin website.

[sonic_discord]

The Scores & Soundtracks section on the homepage is looking severely outdated, as well. We should at least get The Vietnam War, Mid90s, Bird Box, & Watchmen added to that. It'd also be a good move to make sure there's enough room to add Waves, The Woman in the Window, Soul, and whatever else pops up in the next year. Maybe Scores deserves it's own dedicated row at this point (like the NIN releases section) and HTDA can split a row with Soundtracks since both of them only have a handful of releases. If splitting up Soundtracks & Scores is frowned upon (though they are very different), maybe pair HTDA with something like "Remixes for Others" or "Releases by other NIN members" like Sonoio, etc.?

[piggy]

Yeah, I've been wishing someone would tweak the homepage for all those scores and soundtracks. I think they should just have their own row, but not sure where to put HTDA stuff. I wish we could get a facelift for the homepage as well. I feel like the Slip-esque look is a little tired now. It could have the same layout, just with a different theme. Maybe one that's clean and classic and not tied to any particular era or release.

[sonic_discord]

Yeah, I've been wishing someone would tweak the homepage for all those scores and soundtracks. I think they should just have their own row, but not sure where to put HTDA stuff. I wish we could get a facelift for the homepage as well. I feel like the Slip-esque look is a little tired now. It could have the same layout, just with a different theme. Maybe one that's clean and classic and not tied to any particular era or release.

I don't know how much work would be involved, but I'd potentially be interested in helping with a redesign. Remember the old Metallica website where you could apply several different skins that were themed around their albums? That would be pretty cool (but a lot of extra work).

[piggy]

I was kind of thinking the same thing about changeable skins for different albums, actually.

[Jon]

Song BPM's

Juno (Single)

01. Juno = 76 bpm

Watchmen: Volume 1 (Music from the HBO Series)

01. HOW THE WEST WAS REALLY WON = 120 bpm
02. ORPHANS OF KRYPTON = 72 bpm
03. GARRYOWEN = 0 bpm [no music]
04. NUN WITH A MOTHERF*&*ING GUN = 122 bpm
05. OBJECTS IN MIRROR (ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR) = 160 bpm
06. KATTLE BATTLE = 160 bpm
07. AMERICAN PROMO STORY = 115 bpm
08. I'LL WAIT = 118 bpm
09. TRIGGER WARNING = 118 bpm
10. THE BRICK = 92 bpm
11. NEVER SURRENDER = 122 bpm
12. MÜLLER TIME = 66 bpm
13. OWL HUNTS RAT = 185 bpm
14. ABSENT FRIENDS AND OLD GHOSTS = 138 bpm
15. WATCH OVER THIS BOY = 120 bpm

[Harry Seaward]

Can something be done about this?


https://i.imgur.com/Uz3XtsI.png

[zecho]

Can something be done about this?


https://i.imgur.com/Uz3XtsI.png


What page is this on?

[StockAvuryah]

What page is this on?

ahead of ourselves

and it's fixed

[Erneuert]

Song BPM's

Juno (Single)

01. Juno = 76 bpm

Watchmen: Volume 1 (Music from the HBO Series)

01. HOW THE WEST WAS REALLY WON = 120 bpm
02. ORPHANS OF KRYPTON = 72 bpm
03. GARRYOWEN = 0 bpm [no music]
04. NUN WITH A MOTHERF*&*ING GUN = 122 bpm
05. OBJECTS IN MIRROR (ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR) = 160 bpm
06. KATTLE BATTLE = 160 bpm
07. AMERICAN PROMO STORY = 115 bpm
08. I'LL WAIT = 118 bpm
09. TRIGGER WARNING = 118 bpm
10. THE BRICK = 92 bpm
11. NEVER SURRENDER = 122 bpm
12. MÜLLER TIME = 66 bpm
13. OWL HUNTS RAT = 185 bpm
14. ABSENT FRIENDS AND OLD GHOSTS = 138 bpm
15. WATCH OVER THIS BOY = 120 bpm

Added here and here:

http://www.nin.wiki/Watchmen_(Music_From_The_HBO_Series)

http://www.nin.wiki/List_Of_BPM_Rates#Watchmen_Soundtrack_.28Volume_01 .29

I haven’t created the individual song pages for the Watchmen Soundtrack yet, if someone wants to do that? - never mind, done.

Also, where should that End Credits video/audio be listed?

[fillow]

Is Nun with a Gun title censored everywhere where it appears officially? I just want to know if I can say Fuck on TV if the real title is Motherfucking or Motherf*&*ing (lame).

[jmtd]

John Crawford (kraw) needs a wiki page. I was going to link to it from somewhere, and create a redlink, and hence increase its score on Special:WantedPages (http://www.nin.wiki/Special:WantedPages), but I wasn't sure that such a contribution would be welcome.

Does anyone (other than me) feel that Ninwiki should have an explicit content license? The lack of such a thing has put me off from making major contributions. It also prevents ninwiki from legitimately adapting content from (say) wikipedia.

[spahn]

John Crawford (kraw) needs a wiki page. I was going to link to it from somewhere, and create a redlink, and hence increase its score on Special:WantedPages (http://www.nin.wiki/Special:WantedPages), but I wasn't sure that such a contribution would be welcome.

Does anyone (other than me) feel that Ninwiki should have an explicit content license? The lack of such a thing has put me off from making major contributions. It also prevents ninwiki from legitimately adapting content from (say) wikipedia.

I second this! Not only has he been an integral part of NIN for the past few years, he's just an all around great dude and should be recognized on the site.

[Jon]

Is Nun with a Gun title censored everywhere where it appears officially? I just want to know if I can say Fuck on TV if the real title is Motherfucking or Motherf*&*ing (lame).

It's censored everywhere I've checked online (digital version), and it's censored in the press card:

http://nincatalog.com/media/item_images/pressCardInsideFull.jpg

[piggy]

Kraw page would be fine if someone wants to put it together. I could do one if need be. Also, what do you guys think about a Mike Garson page?

[Erneuert]

Kraw page would be fine if someone wants to put it together. I could do one if need be. Also, what do you guys think about a Mike Garson page?

I made a bare bones one a while back: http://www.nin.wiki/Mike_Garson

[piggy]

I made a bare bones one a while back: http://www.nin.wiki/Mike_Garson
Oops. I've even edited that page too, LOL.

[spahn]

Kraw page would be fine if someone wants to put it together. I could do one if need be. Also, what do you guys think about a Mike Garson page?

I can help edit it. If you can create the shell page, I'll start working on it. Also, can we place an image on the front page of the wiki page too.

[sonic_discord]

Regarding the Watchmen score page, I think it's worth mentioning the fake Sons of Pale Horses tracklisting and the fake band member names, and maybe show a picture of the fake signatures (some of which are actually Trent, Atticus, and possibly Mariqueen).

[piggy]

I can help edit it. If you can create the shell page, I'll start working on it. Also, can we place an image on the front page of the wiki page too.
I can't make any changes to front page, but here's a shell page for Kraw:
http://www.nin.wiki/John_Crawford

[sonic_discord]

I can't make any changes to front page, but here's a shell page for Kraw:
http://www.nin.wiki/John_Crawford

Since he hasn't been involved with every release since NTAE, it might be worthwhile to list all of the projects he has been involved with (Before the Flood, NTAE, Add Violence, Vietnam War, Watchmen). Also, shouldn't we have a page for David Carson? He did the photography and art direction for most Fragile-era releases (The Fragile, the We're in This Together singles, Into the Void, And All That Could Have Been, and Still).

[spahn]

Kraw's page has been updated with the core projects. I am sure I am missing some but I'll continue to add to it. Also updated the NIN Glossary page to add his info and a direct link to the page.

[gorast]

I don't know if this has been suggested already, but I think the practice of having the Null number listing on the Halo page needs to be changed, or at least something should be done to make the Halo, Sigil, and Null pages more consistent.

I have a couple of suggestions:

- Split all three out into different articles. This would leave Sigils untouched and give Null numbers its own article, which would put all three on the same level.
- Combine Sigils back into the Halo numbers article so that all three index systems are on the same page. This seems less ideal to me because it buries Sigils and Null numbers on the Halo numbers page, which hurts their discoverability.
- Move the Null numbers onto the "Soundtracks & Scores" page. They tie closely into each other - more than the Halo and Null numbers do, at least.

Personally, I think 1 is the best option of the three above. Like I said, I don't know if this has been discussed before, but given that we're finally getting into the 10s in Null numbers and filling out some of the missing ones, I think it's worth re-considering where they're listed.

Also, putting another request in for updating the front page to reflect the new scores post-Patriots Day.

[jmtd]

Option 1

[Erneuert]

On this page:

http://www.nin.wiki/Recurring_lyrics#Waking_up

Do you think we should add "Can’t Seem To Wake Myself Up" from the extended version of Bird Box?

[piggy]

Really hard to say. I was under the impression that the track titles on scores are more influenced by what's happening during the scenes they go with. So I don't know how much of that is TR/AR naming things based on their own personal whims?

[Erneuert]

Really hard to say. I was under the impression that the track titles on scores are more influenced by what's happening during the scenes they go with. So I don't know how much of that is TR/AR naming things based on their own personal whims?

How about if I write something like I did here re: HTDA?

http://www.nin.wiki/Recurring_lyrics#Beginnings

[piggy]

Sounds good. I say go for it.

[piggy]

Skeleton page for Waves score created:
http://www.nin.wiki/Waves_(Original_Score)

[Erneuert]

Sounds good. I say go for it.

Done: http://www.nin.wiki/Recurring_lyrics#Waking_up

Which reminds me, we need to create individual pages for the new BBox tracks, as well as add their BPMs to the tempo page.

Also still unsure where to mention/cite the “end credits” video/music for Watchmen.

[spahn]

Tracklisting and cover art added on the Waves page. Just need the shell pages created for Waves now.
I'll add the time stamps to the songs as soon as I find out what they are. Or if someone has a screenshot of them, just post it and I'll add it in.

[Jon]

Which reminds me, we need to create individual pages for the new BBox tracks, as well as add their BPMs to the tempo page.

These will have to be calculated from scratch since this is unlikely to reach streaming sites.

[piggy]

Also still unsure where to mention/cite the “end credits” video/music for Watchmen.
I mentioned it in the "about" section of the score page and put a link to the YouTube video in the external links. Not sure if that's logical/adequate, but it's something.

[nmitchell86]

I'll say this, with new releases comes up dates to the wiki and the collector page. Get to work! Lol, j/k, you guys that do this for the rest of us to reference are heros! Thank you for all your hard work!

[Erneuert]

I'll say this, with new releases comes up dates to the wiki and the collector page. Get to work! Lol, j/k, you guys that do this for the rest of us to reference are heros! Thank you for all your hard work!

My OCD won’t let me not do it, lol.

@piggy (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=568), great idea, ta.

[Jon]

I mentioned it in the "about" section of the score page and put a link to the YouTube video in the external links. Not sure if that's logical/adequate, but it's something.

Should it be mentioned that the "End Credits" piece is a mashup/edit of "NUN WITH A MOTHERF*&*ING GUN", "NEVER SURRENDER", AND "OWL HUNTS RAT"?

Most of the beginning section seems to be "NUN", but that fuzzy/drone ending is from "NEVER SURRENDER". The second piece of music is "OWL HUNTS RAT".

[piggy]

I've added that detail. Thanks.

[laststepdown]

https://www.nin.wiki/Year_Zero#Regarding_The_Leak

"On April 1, 2007, a bootleg recording of the Chicago, Illinois listening party of March 18, 2007 surfaced on several peer-to-peer networks. The quality of the recording is very low and it is apparent that whoever made the recording did not have very good sound capturing equipment, presumably a cellphone."


I didn't have a cell phone capable of recording that long back then (like what they did for The Hand That Feeds leak-both of which apparently drove Trent crazy enough to release the real thing.) I drove from St. Louis to the Metro and recorded it with a microcassette, AUX'd in to my PC when I got home & sent it to someone named sarah on the old forum over email. I still have the tape I did it on. Sorry for anyone's ears who listened to that in full.


I only stumbled through this trying to find out what track from Year Zero had the hand coming through the spectrum analysis.

[Jon]

Watchmen: Volume 2 (Music from the HBO Series)

TRUST IN THE LAW = 125 bpm
HE WAS NEVER HERE = 106 bpm
KICKED IN THE BALLS AGAIN = 118 bpm
A TRAVELLER FROM AN ANTIQUE LAND = 133 bpm
LOSING FACE = 136 bpm
SQUID PRO QUO = 72 bpm
YOUR NAME IS ANGELA ABAR = 122 bpm
NOSTALGIA BLUES = 154 bpm
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE CACTUS = 140 bpm
SEVEN YEARS OF BAD LUCK = 110 bpm
THE DARK KNUT RETURNS = 174 bpm
GHRAIB ME A TERRORIST = 93 bpm
DREAMLAND JAZZ = 65 bpm

[piggy]

Just updated the BPMs page as much as possible.

[Erneuert]

Added The Warning (WT version) lyrics here:

http://www.nin.wiki/The_Warning_(With_Teeth_song)

And added trivia section here:

http://www.nin.wiki/Ahead_Of_Ourselves

Feel free to OCD tidy up.

[spahn]

All Null numbers (http://www.nin.wiki/Halo_numbers#Null_numbers) with their associated release pages have been updated.

[nmitchell86]

All Null numbers (http://www.nin.wiki/Halo_numbers#Null_numbers) with their associated release pages have been updated.

Maybe the note below the list should be updated to say something about Kraw confirming this?

[piggy]

I've added a note about that to the section right before the list.

[Erneuert]

I think it goes without saying that this is definitely the most thorough and OCD band wiki out there at this point.

[spahn]

Maybe the note below the list should be updated to say something about Kraw confirming this?

I had added a note to the individual release pages that Kraw confirmed. All others were already confirmed by their physical releases.

[tricil]

I added to the Further Down the Spiral page in regards to the songs being cut off on iTunes etc. maybe with enough visibility, Universal will fix this one day...

https://www.nin.wiki/Further_Down_The_Spiral#Truncation_on_Streaming_Se rvices_and_DSP.E2.80.99s

[Jon]

I added to the Further Down the Spiral page in regards to the songs being cut off on iTunes etc. maybe with enough visibility, Universal will fix this one day...

https://www.nin.wiki/Further_Down_The_Spiral#Truncation_on_Streaming_Se rvices_and_DSP.E2.80.99s

It can be inferred from the track list, but can the verbiage be changed to note that this affects the US/Domestic version. V2 seems to be complete from the few sources I have.

[tricil]

It can be inferred from the track list, but can the verbiage be changed to note that this affects the US/Domestic version. V2 seems to be complete from the few sources I have.

Sure, I’ll edit. You’re correct, the v2 FDTS is correct (except for stripping “(version)” from the Clouser remixes oddly)

[piggy]

As requested, I've split the Null numbers off onto their own page and made all the associated edits. I've also added the fake tracklistings to the Watchmen page.

[Erneuert]

As requested, I've split the Null numbers off onto their own page and made all the associated edits. I've also added the fake tracklistings to the Watchmen page.

Good job. Might also be a good idea to mention/link The Null Corporation II on the new Null page.

[Jon]

*note* // The track "How to Begin?" needs a "?" added on the wiki.

WAVES (ORIGINAL SCORE)

Everything Burns = 77 bpm
Bad News = 96 bpm
I'm Disappearing = 84 bpm
Odds Against = 69 bpm
Holding It Together = 134 bpm
Feedback Loop = 95 bpm
After the Fire = 80 bpm
Nobody Home = 69 bpm
The Light Shines Through = 73 bpm
Forgetting = 72 bpm
How to Begin? = 138 bpm
Wounds Heal = 76 bpm
Ties = 83 bpm
Leaving Missouri = 84 bpm

[spahn]

*note* // The track "How to Begin?" needs a "?" added on the wiki.

fixed

[BRoswell]

The "Soundtracks And Scores" section on the front page needs updating. Hasn't been updated since Patriots Day was released.

[piggy]

Good job. Might also be a good idea to mention/link The Null Corporation II on the new Null page.
I've added a Null Corp link to it. Since that page has the Null Corp II info and since that label variation doesn't affect the numbering system, I think that's sufficient.

[fillow]

I'd like to do it but the Main Page is protected and I don't have access to edit it.

[piggy]

I'd like to as well, but same story. Mods used to have the ability but we don't anymore.

[Erneuert]

Is Malechite around anymore to allow access to edit?

[piggy]

He made a couple of brand new wiki accounts the other day...

[Erneuert]

He made a couple of brand new wiki accounts the other day...

Thanks, I left him a message on his talk page (http://www.nin.wiki/User_talk:Malechite).

[piggy]

So I remember the artwork uploaded to the page below being a placeholder on nin.com, but can someone confirm that it's the actual digital art for the extended Bird Box?
https://www.discogs.com/Trent-Reznor-Atticus-Ross-Bird-Box/release/14439151

[eversonpoe]

So I remember the artwork uploaded to the page below being a placeholder on nin.com, but can someone confirm that it's the actual digital art for the extended Bird Box?
https://www.discogs.com/Trent-Reznor-Atticus-Ross-Bird-Box/release/14439151

yes, that is the embedded artwork that comes with the official download

[piggy]

I've created the pages for all the Waves songs so if someone would like to add the individual art for those, that would be great.


yes, that is the embedded artwork that comes with the official download
Thanks!!

[spahn]

I've created the pages for all the Waves songs so if someone would like to add the individual art for those, that would be great.


Thanks!!

Is there a place to get the individual art? I have not purchased the digital version from nin.com (waiting on physical release, if it comes out)

[katara]

Are the lyrics for Gunshots By Computer correct? I always thought this line:


This man and his army are praying in their fortresses making guns of steeples
Insurgence of people

was actually this:


This man and his army are praying in their fortresses making guns of steeples
Insurgents of people


As in, people are being made to be 'insurgents' rather than 'insurgence'. Makes more sense, right? Or am I wrong?

[Jon]

Is there a place to get the individual art? I have not purchased the digital version from nin.com (waiting on physical release, if it comes out)

This is everything with the WAVs (15 photos, 30.9 MB):

https://mega.nz/#F!auA3DCrQ!XxDveSyPW8oKXsDqZMuwlw

[Jon]

Watchmen: Volume 3 (Music from the HBO Series) [Digital Version]

DOOMSDAY PREPPER = 130 bpm
CLOCKMAKER = 176 bpm
A MAN WALKS INTO AN INTRINSIC FIELD = 84 bpm
SPLICE OF LIFE = 114 bpm
NO RHYTHM = 78 bpm
THE WAITING SKY = 138 bpm
THE WAY IT USED TO BE = 82 bpm
THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM = 84 bpm
WORTHY OF THE BADGE = 63 bpm
WHICH CAME FIRST = 114 bpm
STUPID PANTIES = 176 bpm
A STRONGER, LOVING WORLD = 114 bpm
NOTHING EVER ENDS = 180 bpm
LINCOLN TUNNEL = 63 bpm
LIFE ON MARS? = 156 bpm

[Detunez]

I do not see this being mentioned on the NIN wiki page for Gone Girl: https://itunes.apple.com/us/post/idsa.7477d856-25f3-11e5-a009-3b41a61d0d7c

[Erneuert]

Should we add a note to each song title page that appears on the Volume 3 faux track listing of the Watchmen soundtrack? Just Do It, The Eater of Dreams, The Way Out Is Through, etc?

[tricil]

One of my to-do's is to flesh out Charlie Clouser's page with all of his remixes, at least during his tenure with NIN. This was inspired by this reddit post that sourced NINwiki as the source for a misattribution of this remix, and as a bonus we got a comment from the man himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/eg1xb5/killing_joke_democracy_nine_inch_nails_remix/

[sonic_discord]

I've noticed an error on the Soundtracks & Scores page at the bottom under Songs Recorded for Film. It states:




Nine Inch Nails, "Burn (http://www.nin.wiki/Burn)" (for Lost Highway - 1997)



That obviously needs to be corrected to The Perfect Drug and another separate entry should be added for Burn/Natural Born Killers.

[piggy]

Should we add a note to each song title page that appears on the Volume 3 faux track listing of the Watchmen soundtrack? Just Do It, The Eater of Dreams, The Way Out Is Through, etc?
Done.

I've noticed an error on the Soundtracks & Scores page at the bottom under Songs Recorded for Film. It states:



That obviously needs to be corrected to The Perfect Drug and another separate entry should be added for Burn/Natural Born Killers.
Fixed. Can't believe I never spotted that!

[Erneuert]

Done.

I added an extra note next to The Actual Events saying that it is likely a play on NTAE.

[vav]

With regards to the Watchmen 03 coil references: Last One Out Turn Off The Lights is a hand scrawled message within the dead wax of side 3 ( so disc b side 1, aka the last side with music) of the vinyl edition of Musick To Play In The Dark Volume 2. Not sure if it's worth inclusion, but it's some trivia for ya either way

[piggy]

Is there a card with the credits for Watchmen Vol. 03 floating around the interwebz anywhere? Looking to complete the credits section for that on the wiki...

[TheBang]

Is there a card with the credits for Watchmen Vol. 03 floating around the interwebz anywhere? Looking to complete the credits section for that on the wiki...
No one has seen one, despite several inquiries.

[tricil]

It does exist. I don’t have it myself but I’ve asked who does and by the end of the weekend we shall have some scans.

[bobbie solo]

It does exist. I don’t have it myself but I’ve asked who does and by the end of the weekend we shall have some scans.

it's 3pm Monday where I reside. You're a filthy liar.

[tricil]

it's 3pm Monday where I reside. You're a filthy liar.

sorry. not trying to cash piles ya. it's just not mine to share. maybe ItsJustDave knows where to get a scan.

[eversonpoe]

sorry. not trying to cash piles ya.

i am laughing so fucking hard right now

[ItsJustDave]

sorry. not trying to cash piles ya. it's just not mine to share. maybe ItsJustDave knows where to get a scan.

I’ve been busy as all hell lately. I’ll get scans up tonight.

[ItsJustDave]

I’ve been busy as all hell lately. I’ll get scans up tonight.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h6auyr7h24h9pyz/Watchmen%20Vol3%20Press%20Card.zip?dl=0

[Tony]

I'll be updating the Main Page's list of Soundtracks & Scores tomorrow or the next day. If anyone has any suggestions or requests for other modifications to that page, I'm all ears.

[sonic_discord]

I'll be updating the Main Page's list of Soundtracks & Scores tomorrow or the next day. If anyone has any suggestions or requests for other modifications to that page, I'm all ears.

I had a few ideas back in October:

The Scores & Soundtracks section on the homepage is looking severely outdated, as well. We should at least get The Vietnam War, Mid90s, Bird Box, & Watchmen added to that. It'd also be a good move to make sure there's enough room to add Waves, The Woman in the Window, Soul, and whatever else pops up in the next year. Maybe Scores deserves it's own dedicated row at this point (like the NIN releases section) and HTDA can split a row with Soundtracks since both of them only have a handful of releases. If splitting up Soundtracks & Scores is frowned upon (though they are very different), maybe pair HTDA with something like "Remixes for Others" or "Releases by other NIN members" like Sonoio, etc.?

[Tony]

I've added some scores to the list on the main page. Separating out the scores and soundtrack sounds like a good idea, but we're running out of space in the thumbnail release listing area...


maybe pair HTDA with something like "Remixes for Others" or "Releases by other NIN members" like Sonoio, etc.?

I like the idea of moving HTDA somewhere else to free up space and make it look a little cleaner. Maybe replacing the Year Zero ARG box with something like "Related Projects" like you said. What else could go under there, besides HTDA and Sonoio? Would we include Filter? Tapeworm? Pigface? If we don't have enough, we could probably expand our definition a little and include APC, Manson, Tool, etc.

[Jon]

I like the idea of moving HTDA somewhere else to free up space and make it look a little cleaner. Maybe replacing the Year Zero ARG box with something like "Related Projects" like you said. What else could go under there, besides HTDA and Sonoio? Would we include Filter? Tapeworm? Pigface? If we don't have enough, we could probably expand our definition a little and include APC, Manson, Tool, etc.

The discography on the official site has a "Family" and "Miscellaneous" section. In my opinion, if we're adding something with thumbnails, it should be closer to "Family". HTDA should be its own section; ideally, so should Atticus Ross since he's an official member. SONOIO, 12 Rounds, Cortini, Telefon Tel Aviv, and New Regime, like it is on the official site makes sense.

The problem with "Related" is it opens too many doors, then you're stuck highlighting only a few with thumbnails, which is fine but not ideal. If you're going to throw up APC for writing credits, then why not Lil Nas X? If you're putting up APC because of touring as well... I'm sure you can see where that's going. If you want to have a section like that then I'd highlight the biggies, such as Manson, Pigface, Saul Williams, David Bowie... I had to stop myself there.

That's a lot to say my vote is for Atticus Ross, first and foremost.

[piggy]

Yes, I had a similar thought a few months back. A section for related projects in place of the Year Zero ARG section, and I agree that it should be defined along similar lines as the official site. I updated the ARG section of the YZ page a while back with a link to the World of Year Zero category page, so anyone looking for that stuff shouldn't have a hard time finding it.

[Erneuert]

New info alert...

https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/733-Random-NIN-Questions?p=485100&posted=1#post485100

Cover It Up - early demo of The Idea of You

Good Day
The End

Has much of this been discussed elsewhere?

[piggy]

Yeah, it's been discussed in a couple of other threads here. I guess no one had made a dedicated thread since none of the audio has been shared. I added some info about it to the WT page recently.

[Erneuert]

Dang. I really want to hear those!

[ninlive]

Sorry that I didn’t go to the specified thread. Does anyone know who has these or has reached out to them?

[fillow]

Sorry that I didn’t go to the specified thread. Does anyone know who has these or has reached out to them?
Discussion starts here: https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/211-The-Auction-Thread-Ebay-Discogs-etc?p=476682#post476682

tldr: attempts to liberate this thing were made, but no success so far

[sonic_discord]

Yeah, these demos need to leak and make it into the wild so I can hear them. The Idea of You is my favorite song from NTAE and for some reason, this just makes me like it even more! Also dying to hear Good Day and The End!

[TheBang]

Cover It Up - early demo of The Idea of You

Good Day
The End

Has much of this been discussed elsewhere?
Might be premature to add info about that stuff, when all we have to go on at this point is that guy's description.

[Jon]

Not all of the tempo's are in the database yet. Here's what's showing up:

Letting Go While Holding On // 80 bpm
Your Touch // 126 bpm
Hope We Can Again // 138 bpm

The Cursed Clock // 65 bpm
Around Every Corner // 78 bpm
Run Like Hell // 146 bpm
When It Happens (Don't Mind Me) // 140 bpm
Another Crashed Car // 137 bpm
Temp Fix // 136 bpm
Trust Fades // 128 bpm
A Really Bad Night // 81 bpm
Your New Normal // 130 bpm
Just Breathe // 89 bpm
Right Behind You // 137 bpm
TURN THIS OFF PLEASE // 146 bpm
So Tired // 68 bpm
Almost Dawn // 90 bpm

[sinspots]

https://www.nin.wiki/Maynard_James_Keenan is missing under A Perfect Circle:
Eat the Elephant - 2019

Edit: Also Puscifer:
Conditions of My Parole - 2011
Donkey Punch the Night - 2013
Money Shot - 2015

[piggy]

Updated the above MJK stuff and the Ghosts BPMs that we have so far.

[Destruct26]

So there was this article from Loudwire regarding the Tapeworm Project with input from Charlie Clouser. Good read and does reveal that a drum loop Clouser created for a tapeworm track became the genesis for Starfuckers, Inc. Legit? Who knows. If it is that should make it in to Ninwiki. But that won’t be me because I suck at that stuff. Have pleasant days and long nights. Ta-ta.
https://loudwire.com/nine-inch-nails-tool-pantera-supergroup/

[fillow]

Sigh.
Dear Loudwire,
Please, drop the fucking stick and step away from the horse.
Thanks.

[Destruct26]

Sigh.
Dear Loudwire,
Please, drop the fucking stick and step away from the horse.
Thanks.

So I guess this isn’t a good thing. LMAO

[Erneuert]

Is it me, or do the thumbnails on the main page for Ghosts V and VI not look like small versions of the actual covers?

[piggy]

Is it me, or do the thumbnails on the main page for Ghosts V and VI not look like small versions of the actual covers?
You're right. There's an older version of each image that was uploaded by Tony, but then newer ones (corrupted looking) uploaded by Malechite. Not sure if I should revert those and get them back the original uploads? There must have been a reason for the newer ones? Strange.

[Erneuert]

It would look better to revert.

[Erneuert]

http://www.nin.wiki/Memorabilia

Shouldn’t that be “keychains and snowstorms” instead of snowglobes?

[katara]

Eraser (polite) isn't listed on Coil's page. http://www.nin.wiki/Coil

[piggy]

Ok, so I've been trying to make edits that people have been pointing out, but the wiki keeps telling me that I need to have cookies enabled to sign in. I checked my settings and it says they're enabled, and I've tried clearing my cookies. Nothing seems to help. Plus, I'm able to stay signed in to certain other sites, so my cookies must be working fine. Are any other editors/wiki staff having this issue?

[StockAvuryah]

this Charlie Clouser AMA on r/nin is great material for the wiki

[Senateguard33]

Not sure if it's worth adding to the Wiki..the Down In It UK CD has the untitled Heather Day clip (let's hear it...whoo they're good) appended to the end of Track 6: Down In It (Demo), essentially making it a different version of the track.

[Senateguard33]

Eraser (polite) isn't listed on Coil's page. http://www.nin.wiki/Coil

Also worth mentioning on the Coil page is Peter Christopherson's collaboration on "Videodrones;Questions", and the several music videos he directed, including all the small segments on Closure part II.

[spahn]

Anyone having an issue logging into the site to make edits? It's asking me that I have to enable cookies and I've never had to make any adjustments in my browser to log in. I tried Chrome, Edge and IE 11.

[piggy]

Anyone having an issue logging into the site to make edits? It's asking me that I have to enable cookies and I've never had to make any adjustments in my browser to log in. I tried Chrome, Edge and IE 11.
Yup. I mentioned it several posts up.

[Malechite]

Ok, so I've been trying to make edits that people have been pointing out, but the wiki keeps telling me that I need to have cookies enabled to sign in. I checked my settings and it says they're enabled, and I've tried clearing my cookies. Nothing seems to help. Plus, I'm able to stay signed in to certain other sites, so my cookies must be working fine. Are any other editors/wiki staff having this issue?

I'm looking into this. I also need to do some work with SSL certificates, the host is pretty old-school at the moment. I'll let you know when it is resolved!

[Malechite]

This is now resolved. I had some SSL issues on the server so everything was still using unsecured HTTP...

Everything should be resolved now and automatically routed to HTTPS... which SHOULD allow you to login correctly!

My apologies for leaving the issue unresolved for so long!

[fillow]

Should we probably add Trump samples in The Great Destroyer (used live in the last touring cycle) to the list of samples?

[piggy]

Should we probably add Trump samples in The Great Destroyer (used live in the last touring cycle) to the list of samples?
This had been added, but was it done during the entire tour or just the C+B+I leg?

[fillow]

This had been added, but was it done during the entire tour or just the C+B+I leg?
They definitely did it in Europe too.

[piggy]

Do you guys know of any other live samples since the PHM days?

[muad'nin]

A couple of things I’ve noticed -

https://www.nin.wiki/Ice_Age - the link to the deadmau5 remix is dead, at least here in Australia.
https://www.nin.wiki/Related_bands_and_artists (https://www.nin.wiki/Related_bands_and_artists#The_Soft_Moon) - should SONOIO’s entry include the HTDA remix ‘Between the Spaces’?
https://www.nin.wiki/Keep_It_Together_(single) Could links be included here to the two remixes on the HTDA Soundcloud page, even though they appear on the ‘Keep It Together’ page?

[piggy]

A couple of things I’ve noticed -

https://www.nin.wiki/Ice_Age - the link to the deadmau5 remix is dead, at least here in Australia.
https://www.nin.wiki/Related_bands_and_artists (https://www.nin.wiki/Related_bands_and_artists#The_Soft_Moon) - should SONOIO’s entry include the HTDA remix ‘Between the Spaces’?
https://www.nin.wiki/Keep_It_Together_(single) Could links be included here to the two remixes on the HTDA Soundcloud page, even though they appear on the ‘Keep It Together’ page?
Fixed all three.

[katara]

https://www.nin.wiki/Closer_To_God_(halo)


Another mix that didn't make the cut was released on the unofficial download-only compilation Uncoiled, and later released semi-officially on Recoiled.

This isn't quite true, as the remixes on Uncoiled/Recoiled were not made at the time.

[piggy]

https://www.nin.wiki/Closer_To_God_(halo)



This isn't quite true, as the remixes on Uncoiled/Recoiled were not made at the time.
Good point. Tweaked for accuracy.

[piggy]

Ok, fixed all that. Thanks.

[piggy]

Good idea. I've added it to the TDS page.

[piggy]

It's right here:
https://www.nin.wiki/The_Perfect_Drug_(song)#The_Perfect_Drug_.28Aphrod ite.29

EDIT: I added the info to the halo page as well.

[tricil]

Btw it’s available in lossless here: https://aphroditerecordings.databeats.com/download/amix1

[piggy]

Yup, and that's in the external links on the TPD song page.

[fillow]

Should Trent's opinion of Alan Moulder being the 'other member' of NIN be added to the wiki?

Atticus mentioned it on the Mix With The Masters video, and I'm sure I've heard it elsewhere, too.
Opinion to be added in prose as a quote? Sure. Otherwise considering him as a full member? No way.

[Jon]

TOBACCO - Babysitter (feat. Trent Reznor) = 103 bpm

[spahn]

Is there a page created for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or are there plans to create one? I posted over on the Rock and Roll HOF thread, a bunch of hi-res images taken by the RRHOF staff and I would like to find a more permanent home for them other than my personal google drive. They don't really have a space on nincatalog so I think a page dedicated to the HOF with all these images would be more appropriate

Thoughts?

[piggy]

We don't have a page yet, but that's not a bad idea. I'm not sure personally how we should do it, but we'll eventually figure something out. I'll save your images to my computer.

[TheBang]

Is there a page created for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or are there plans to create one?

Maybe there should be a page created for Awards, nominations, and honors, in general. I didn't see a page for that, and so that information is only available if you know which individual records pages to look at.

[piggy]

Maybe there should be a page created for Awards, nominations, and honors, in general. I didn't see a page for that, and so that information is only available if you know which individual records pages to look at.
That's a fantastic idea!

[sonic_discord]

Like an "Accolades and recognition" section? I like it!

[piggy]

I have created a new category called Other Rare Songs for stuff like the following: Bird Box extended tracks, "Abandoned Sets", "Let Him Ride", "Dinner With Sean", "Theme From Call of Duty Black Ops II", Lost Highway TR tracks, vinyl only HTDA tracks.

I haven't done anything major to the old Quake song pages, wasn't sure when you guys would like to migrate all that stuff over.

Also, does anyone want to starting sketching out that "Accolades and recognition" page? I'm not in the right headspace for it at the moment, but I can work on it later on if needed.

[spahn]

Also, does anyone want to starting sketching out that "Accolades and recognition" page? I'm not in the right headspace for it at the moment, but I can work on it later on if needed.

I can work on it a bit if i have some time. Got a bunch of items to add to nincatalog as well.

[ikranax]

I don't have a ninwiki account, and I had some problems registering one. I have a few edits/additions if anyone has time and deems it worthy. So, can someone...

Edit the pages for Robin Finck, Danny Lohner, Chris Vrenna, and Charlie Clouser, their Body of Work sections? They were all credited on the recent vinyl reissue of the Quake Soundtrack. It was previously known that Vrenna helped Trent with it, but now, it was made official, finally.

Edit the pages for Atticus Ross, Alessandro Cortini, Ilan Rubin, Robin Finck, Danny Lohner, and Chris Vrenna, in regards to their Hall of Fame inductions? I think it's a very important part of NIN's history that those non-Trent lads got the nod.

Edit the page for Closer to God (halo), to credit the then-current lineup of NIN? In particular, track B of the cassette version, "March of the Pigs (live)". Trent Reznor, Robin Finck, Danny Lohner, Chris Vrenna, and James Woolley all did the performance on that particular track (which was taken from the performance music video).

Edit the page for Richard Patrick, his Body of Work section? I think Closure should be added to it (it's already added on Danny Lohner's and Charlie Clouser's and Robin Finck's page). The other band members on Closure (James Woolley, Jeff Ward, Ron Musarra, probably other pre-1991 members) do not have a "Body of Work" subsection.

Edit the page for Ron Musarra, adding in that he was thanked in the Pretty Hate Machine booklet? I think that was a crucial gesture. In addition, possibly adding in that he played drums on the original Purest Feeling demo? I don't have a source to back that up, but, you can hear a drummer shouting during a countdown at the start of "Sanctified", and I'm quite certain Musarra does the same thing on an old live video (forget which one or which band). Might be worth adding that to the Purest Feeling and "Sanctified" page as well, I dunno.

Edit the page for Prick, and redirecting all mention of Kevin McMahon to that particular page? McMahon is the only former live member not to have his own page, but, the page of Prick should be okay. I think his brief 3 show stint should be mentioned on that page as well.

2 last things:

-On the actual NIN page, under Members, Brian Liesegang is listed. It is said that he subbed for Lee Mars on a few shows. Is there a source for this? I actually tried asking Brian himself, and tried asking others on Reddit, but I got no response on both lol.

-Not a question really, but, I wanted to thank the person that included my old write-up on James Woolley into his page. It looks a lot better now!

[piggy]

Edit the pages for Robin Finck, Danny Lohner, Chris Vrenna, and Charlie Clouser, their Body of Work sections? They were all credited on the recent vinyl reissue of the Quake Soundtrack. It was previously known that Vrenna helped Trent with it, but now, it was made official, finally.
Done.


Edit the pages for Atticus Ross, Alessandro Cortini, Ilan Rubin, Robin Finck, Danny Lohner, and Chris Vrenna, in regards to their Hall of Fame inductions? I think it's a very important part of NIN's history that those non-Trent lads got the nod.
I thought we would wait until they've been inducted in November so that we don't have to go back and make it past tense instead of future tense, as it would be if I edit it now.


Edit the page for Closer to God (halo), to credit the then-current lineup of NIN? In particular, track B of the cassette version, "March of the Pigs (live)". Trent Reznor, Robin Finck, Danny Lohner, Chris Vrenna, and James Woolley all did the performance on that particular track (which was taken from the performance music video).
Done.


Edit the page for Richard Patrick, his Body of Work section? I think Closure should be added to it (it's already added on Danny Lohner's and Charlie Clouser's and Robin Finck's page). The other band members on Closure (James Woolley, Jeff Ward, Ron Musarra, probably other pre-1991 members) do not have a "Body of Work" subsection.
Done.


Edit the page for Ron Musarra, adding in that he was thanked in the Pretty Hate Machine booklet? I think that was a crucial gesture. In addition, possibly adding in that he played drums on the original Purest Feeling demo? I don't have a source to back that up, but, you can hear a drummer shouting during a countdown at the start of "Sanctified", and I'm quite certain Musarra does the same thing on an old live video (forget which one or which band). Might be worth adding that to the Purest Feeling and "Sanctified" page as well, I dunno.
Done, mentioned that he *may have* played on the PF demos.


Edit the page for Prick, and redirecting all mention of Kevin McMahon to that particular page? McMahon is the only former live member not to have his own page, but, the page of Prick should be okay. I think his brief 3 show stint should be mentioned on that page as well.
Done.


2 last things:

-On the actual NIN page, under Members, Brian Liesegang is listed. It is said that he subbed for Lee Mars on a few shows. Is there a source for this? I actually tried asking Brian himself, and tried asking others on Reddit, but I got no response on both lol.

-Not a question really, but, I wanted to thank the person that included my old write-up on James Woolley into his page. It looks a lot better now!
Changed the Lee Mars thing to *may have*, also rearranged some stuff on that section that's been bugging me. And it was me who put your stuff on the James Woolley page. You're very welcome!

[piggy]

Should we add these "Down In It" elements to the samples page on the wiki? We don't know where Keith LeBlanc and Adrian Sherwood sampled them from, so it's kind of nebulous.
https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/139-Random-NIN-Thoughts?p=513197#post513197

[fillow]

Definitely worth adding. I wish I remembered the name of a website that catalogued hundreds of Sherwood's sound pieces across all his projects...
Meanwhile here's some related discussion: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/851741-origin-nin-adrian-sherwood-specific-drum-samples.html
'

[piggy]

Ok, I've added stuff to the samples page with a disclaimer that LeBlanc and Sherwood had helped create the mix. I had also added a mention to the "Down In It" page.

[Erneuert]

piggy, should we mention on their respective pages that these exist for Less Than, The Background World, etc? -

https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/211-The-Auction-Thread-Ebay-Discogs-etc?p=512553#post512553

[piggy]

piggy, should we mention on their respective pages that these exist for Less Than, The Background World, etc? -

https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/211-The-Auction-Thread-Ebay-Discogs-etc?p=512553#post512553
Done and done. I had added the bit to the "Less Than" page, but only just now found out about the rest.

[Erneuert]

Done and done. I had added the bit to the "Less Than" page, but only just now found out about the rest.

Yeah, there was a CD with all the AV tracks as instrumentals: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/313195499178

[Erneuert]

piggy Leviathant, I messaged the seller asking if they would share the stems/instrumentals with the masses but this was the reply I received:

Hello.

No, sorry. That s the most unprofessional behavior a seller can do after someone have spend a huge amount of money on unreleased material. That would significant lower the value of these items and it would damage my reputation as a seller. In fact, I have discs for the rest of the songs on this album and there s a chance I will get more nin stuff in the future. I can t please a whole fandom, it s not my intention at all.

[TheBang]

Haha, yeah, it's obvious his intention is to make as much money as possible.

[Erneuert]

lol at the seller saying unprofessional behaviour.

[fillow]

Why isn't he nuked with a cease-and-desist order from NIN camp yet?

[spahn]

Why isn't he nuked with a cease-and-desist order from NIN camp yet?

If i still lived in Miami I would have hunted him down! lol

[sonic_discord]

Why isn't he nuked with a cease-and-desist order from NIN camp yet?

Let's just make a fake, albeit super convincing one and mail it to him, demanding he send in all his NIN-related items. We got any lawyers in here or anyone who can speak legalese? LOL

[Leviathant]

Why isn't he nuked with a cease-and-desist order from NIN camp yet?

I'm guessing this is harder than it looks.

And fuck this guy - more than once I've reached out to someone selling a rare physical thing, asked about getting a digital copy, and the seller's been totally cool with it. I believe in both cases that come to mind, they even checked with the buyer.

It's also a clear indication that he's selling the intellectual property, and not the physical property. That has to count for something - although maybe you don't get stung until you do the deal.

[fillow]

WHOA a new skin?

[Erneuert]

WHOA a new skin?

I love it!

[piggy]

Ok, so we talked about the 'Accolades and recognition' page... Now that we have all the Rock Hall-related stuff from nin.com (band member photos and statements) as well as photos of the Woodstock exhibit, should we have a entirely separate page for the Rock Hall stuff that gets linked out from the 'Accolades and recognition' page, or should we put it all on the same page? If you guys think the 'Accolades...' page should have a table format, then yeah, we'd have to link out. If you guys think it should just be set up with normal headings, we can keep it all in one place. Thoughts?

[Malechite]

I’d like to put “Awards” on the main menu.

from there we can have the “Awards & Accolades” main page, from there we can list all of the individual awards.

then we can make a page for the R&R hof for all of this new content

[piggy]

Sounds good. Perhaps on the RNRHOF page we will eventually be able to have transcripts of Iggy Pop's induction speech and the band members' speeches, and maybe whatever comments are made by other people during the broadcast.

[Malechite]

I stubbed out a quick Awards page here https://www.nin.wiki/Awards_%26_Accolades and linked it from the main menu

[butter_hole]

I say this with the upmost respect for what you guys are doing with the site, but the old skin looked miles better. I thought I was on a cheap ripoff for a second.

[Erneuert]

I say this with the upmost respect for what you guys are doing with the site, but the old skin looked miles better. I thought I was on a cheap ripoff for a second.

After living with it for a bit I actually agree.

[tricil]

dude, love the new design

[ncrecc]

A contribtion to Down In It (https://www.nin.wiki/Down_In_It_(song)) (registering still seems disabled?):

Producer Keith LeBlanc mentioned in a printed interview (https://imgur.com/gallery/bgq1z) that "Down In It" was the song he got to "really put my signature on". His revisions - the Shred, Singe, and Skin mixes - draw heavily from the tracks "Mechanical Movements" and "Einstein" from his album Stranger Than Fiction, released earlier the same year (1989). The fast-paced synth prominent at the beginning of Skin is from "Mechanical Movements", and the main drum pattern is from "Einstein". Additionally, the crowd chant samples during each chorus have appeared in other works involved with Keith's band Tackhead, such as Gary Clail & Tackhead - Reality and The Barmy Army - Stadium Rock.



& Head Like a Hole (Opal) (https://www.nin.wiki/Head_Like_A_Hole_(song)#Head_Like_A_Hole_.28Opal.2 9):

It features a sample in the choruses that also forms the main rhythm of Mark Stewart - The Wrong Name and the Wrong Number. Adrian Sherwood was involved in the production of the Stewart song, and he and Keith LeBlanc were both members of Mark Stewart and the Maffia at the time they produced Pretty Hate Machine, though whether they had direct involvement with the Opal mix is unknown. LeBlanc and Sherwood aren't credited on any of the Head Like a Hole versions except Keith's mixing of Slate.

[piggy]

A contribtion to Down In It (https://www.nin.wiki/Down_In_It_(song)) (registering still seems disabled?):

Producer Keith LeBlanc mentioned in a printed interview (https://imgur.com/gallery/bgq1z) that "Down In It" was the song he got to "really put my signature on". His revisions - the Shred, Singe, and Skin mixes - draw heavily from the tracks "Mechanical Movements" and "Einstein" from his album Stranger Than Fiction, released earlier the same year (1989). The fast-paced synth prominent at the beginning of Skin is from "Mechanical Movements", and the main drum pattern is from "Einstein". Additionally, the crowd chant samples during each chorus have appeared in other works involved with Keith's band Tackhead, such as Gary Clail & Tackhead - Reality and The Barmy Army - Stadium Rock.



& Head Like a Hole (Opal) (https://www.nin.wiki/Head_Like_A_Hole_(song)#Head_Like_A_Hole_.28Opal.2 9):

It features a sample in the choruses that also forms the main rhythm of Mark Stewart - The Wrong Name and the Wrong Number. Adrian Sherwood was involved in the production of the Stewart song, and he and Keith LeBlanc were both members of Mark Stewart and the Maffia at the time they produced Pretty Hate Machine, though whether they had direct involvement with the Opal mix is unknown. LeBlanc and Sherwood aren't credited on any of the Head Like a Hole versions except Keith's mixing of Slate.
I had recently added most of the info for "Down In It", but I went ahead and used your text to expound on both tracks. Thanks!

[piggy]

So now with the tracklisting for Soul, we have two songs called "Falling", one on Quake and one on Soul. We'll need a disambiguation page, but I'm not sure how to title the separate track pages. Should they be called Falling (Soul song) and Falling (Quake song), or should it be something like Falling (Nine Inch Nails song) and Falling (Reznor & Ross song)?

[Malechite]

Falling (Soul song) and Falling (Quake song)

These look good to me

[piggy]

These look good to me
OK, it's all set up. Thanks!

[sonic_discord]

We could use some lyrics on the pages for "The Way It Used To Be" from Watchmen and "(If Only You Could) Save Me" from Mank. In the case of the latter, there needs to be a page first.

[RJK]

Should the version of "Hurt" from ReAct Now have a section under versions similar to "Non-Entity" since it was also for sale on that Sony Connect thing?

[sonic_discord]

Should the version of "Hurt" from ReAct Now have a section under versions similar to "Non-Entity" since it was also for sale on that Sony Connect thing?

I wasn't aware that was ever officially released! I have an mp3 of that performance, but I'd be interested in seeing if this Sony Connect recording sounds a great deal better than the one I've had for 15 years.

[RJK]

https://www.theninhotline.com/news/permalink/1126494763

I definitely couldn't tell you where my copy of it was or if it was good. But it was for sale [emoji23]

[piggy]

We could use some lyrics on the pages for "The Way It Used To Be" from Watchmen and "(If Only You Could) Save Me" from Mank. In the case of the latter, there needs to be a page first.
Lyrics have been added to TWIUTB. I made a page for the other one but I'm waiting to see if the lyrics will pop up on the internetz, since it's not super easy to transcribe.


Should the version of "Hurt" from ReAct Now have a section under versions similar to "Non-Entity" since it was also for sale on that Sony Connect thing?
Done and done.

[TheBang]

I wasn't aware that was ever officially released! I have an mp3 of that performance, but I'd be interested in seeing if this Sony Connect recording sounds a great deal better than the one I've had for 15 years.
You can download them here:

https://ninlive.com/shows/2005/20050909.html

I believe they're directly transcoded from the DRM'd proprietary Sony format.

[Jon]

SOUL BPM's ("Portal" is listed as "Portal/The Hall of Everything" on streaming sites; songs are identical):

The Great Beyond = 101 bpm

Falling = 110 bpm

The Great Before/U Seminar = 134 bpm

Jump to Earth = 132 bpm

Terry Time = 100 bpm

Joe's Life = 71 bpm

Portal/The Hall of Everything = 120 bpm

Run/Astral Plane = 134 bpm

Lost Soul = 180 bpm

Meditation/Return to Earth = 144 bpm

Terry Time Too = 100 bpm

22 Is Ready = 200 bpm

Pursuit/Terry's World = 127 bpm

Betrayal = 200 bpm

Lost = 74 bpm

Epiphany = 70 bpm

Ship Chase = 120 bpm

Escape/Inside 22 = 110 bpm

Flashback = 200 bpm

Earthbound = 148 bpm

Thank You = 70 bpm

Enjoy Every Minute = 67 bpm

Just Us = 120 bpm

[leo3375]

With award season upon us, I added Accolades tables to the pages for the Mank and Soul scores so that the pages can be quickly edited whenever any new award nominations and wins are announced.

So far, Soul has won the Los Angeles Film Critics Association award for Best Music Score.

[ncrecc]

Info for the "Sin" page. More Keith LeBlanc shenanigans, as per usual: the bell loop in Sin (Dub), Sin (Long), and Sin (Short) - all remixes made by LeBlanc and Sherwood - appears pitched down and with a bit of variation in "Mr. President", from Keith's solo album Tasteless Cuts, released the same year as PHM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Y54OHv0CM
(Most noticeable at 1:02 onward)
Tasteless Cuts was released in 1989 whereas the Sin halo was released 1990, so unless the bell was set to appear in the album version then scrapped or the Sin halo was massively delayed, it's probably the Sin remixes borrowing from Mr. President and not vice versa.

Side note: won't be surprised if something from The Only Time (produced by Keith) also originates from an obscure solo project; I basically just have that to figure out before I'm set to stop wanking about Keith here :p

[fillow]

^^
Boy do I hear all sorts of familiar beats in there. Kick drum from We Believe (Twitch) and HLAH intro percusssion... Most likely not samples but the same drum machines or something? Also I'm currently away from good speakers (only have shitty laptop on me) so I may hear wrong.

[ncrecc]

Also, Sin (Short) actually matches the progression of the album version, unlike Sin (Long) or Sin (Dub):
https://i.imgur.com/zRhrZzS.png
though at a slightly slower BPM

[sonic_discord]

I think it's worth adding this image from David Carson's Facebook post (https://www.facebook.com/davidcarsondesign/posts/10159165799704591) from yesterday to the page for And All That Could Have Been.

https://i.imgur.com/D4G4wRW.jpg

EDIT: Also, why isn't the cover of the DVD included on that page? I really feel it should be, especially since it's referenced on the page in the story about David finding the underground bomb shelter at a home he purchased.
(the two versions that were sold – Dolby Digital & DTS, respectively – were slightly different. See examples below.)

https://img.discogs.com/FkCdIzx1tbNp476GBuvI3o2FCCQ=/fit-in/500x666/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/R-202979-1312587757.jpeg.jpg (Dolby Digital)
https://image.uisdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/uisdc-yx-20200930-60.jpg (DTS)

[piggy]

I'm thinking the DVD cover was removed by mistake. I've put it back in, and thanks for that nice hi-res version. I've also added the prototype art from DC's Facebook. Thanks!

[sonic_discord]

I'm thinking the DVD cover was removed by mistake. I've put it back in, and thanks for that nice hi-res version. I've also added the prototype art from DC's Facebook. Thanks!

Thank you! You’re always so on top of things!


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[piggy]

Paging Malechite...

So I was randomly poking around the wiki page for nin.com and I clicked on the section about the Fragility tour rehearsals... I found that not only has the content of the page been removed, but it was done by an anonymous user? How is that even possible? Is something fishy going on?

[Malechite]

Paging @Malechite (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=7)...

So I was randomly poking around the wiki page for nin.com and I clicked on the section about the Fragility tour rehearsals... I found that not only has the content of the page been removed, but it was done by an anonymous user? How is that even possible? Is something fishy going on?

@piggy (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=568) Thanks for the heads up!

That’s likely a database error. I upgraded all the software and did some database maintenance at the end of last year. The content probably still exists but might need to be re-linked in the db. I came across this same problem with a couple other pages when I did the upgrade.

I’ll take a look!

EDIT: The page should be restored - https://www.nin.wiki/Nin.com/Fragility_Rehearsals

Let me know if you come across any others like that!

[muad'nin]

Hello!

A couple of things I noticed on the Quake entry -
The external link to the Wikipedia entry links to the disambiguation, rather than the article itself.
Under “Trivia”, the sentence ‘The game's readme refers to Nothing Interactive (https://www.nin.wiki/Nothing_Interactive), an entity that has not been to referred to before or since.’ doesn’t seem to make sense?

[piggy]

Hello!

A couple of things I noticed on the Quake entry -
The external link to the Wikipedia entry links to the disambiguation, rather than the article itself.
Under “Trivia”, the sentence ‘The game's readme refers to Nothing Interactive (https://www.nin.wiki/Nothing_Interactive), an entity that has not been to referred to before or since.’ doesn’t seem to make sense?
Fixed up both of those issues. Thanks!

[sonic_discord]

I noticed this a while ago and forgot to mention it (the Oscar win tonight reminded me), but on the Awards page, both awards for The Social Network should say 2011, not 2010. The film (and score) was released in 2010, but the actual ceremonies for the Golden Globes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68th_Golden_Globe_Awards) and the Academy Awards (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/83rd_Academy_Awards) were both in 2011 (January 16 and February 27, respectively).

[piggy]

I fixed those. Thanks!

[Erneuert]

As fake as it is, the cover artwork for that Reptile cassingle looks really nice. piggy where should these fake things (including Closure) be added to ninwiki?

[Leviathant]

As fake as it is, the cover artwork for that Reptile cassingle looks really nice. @piggy (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=568) where should these fake things (including Closure) be added to ninwiki?

Given that Trimark was taking pre-orders for an item with a catalog number and a UPC, it can't hurt to include that information in the wiki. There is no evidence that such a laserdisc was ever produced.

[TheBang]

Maybe there can be a catch-all Hoax index page for ninwiki? Smaller-scale stuff can get a listing and brief mention, and bigger hoaxes (like Strobelight) can link to the article.

Here are some thoughts for listings on such a Hoax index page:

Hard Copy report
Trent Reznor's personal homepage (Reznor's Edge/blackrose) and Impossible Pain
https://www.nin.wiki/Songs_misattributed_to_NIN
https://www.nin.wiki/Mysterious_Videos
Strobelight
Dive and Slam
Blue Sunday
With Teeth Tentative Sequence fake upload
thninchnails releases
Closure laserdisc and Reptile cassette

[piggy]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Should it also have the other stuff associated with thninchnails, like the fake live Saigon 1995 recording and The Manhattan Project vinyl?

[piggy]

AttentionMalechite

Looks like the wiki has been hacked.

[TheBang]

Attention@Malechite (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=7)

Looks like the wiki has been hacked.
Fortunately, it looks like it's probably just a misconfiguration on the webhost which is making it serve the wrong site.

[piggy]

Oh, ok. Didn't even think of that. I mean, changing it to someone's interior design business would be a weird hack. LOL.

[sheepdean]

I just wanted to link someone to the Ghosts Locusts page, and now I have a whole new lounge set