Random NIN Thoughts

[fillow]

is there a show that contains this version on @ninlive (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1141) ?

These two shows have TL but Trent don't play that synth at the start :( so no.
https://ninlive.com/shows/2009/20090217.html
https://ninlive.com/shows/2009/20090224.html (https://ninlive.com/shows/2009/20090217.html)

Here's a video (by our Ryan I think?) from Sydney you can see a tech with a flashlight doing something on that synth, probably trying to fix it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAE0VhG90wg

[TheBang]

is there a show that contains this version on @ninlive (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1141) ?
There's no recording of that Adelaide show, but the other recordings on that tour had similar, but different and unique, improvised intros to Terrible Lie. Worth a listen:

https://ninlive.com/archives/2009.html

[Erneuert]

These two shows have TL but Trent don't play that synth at the start :( so no.
https://ninlive.com/shows/2009/20090217.html
https://ninlive.com/shows/2009/20090224.html (https://ninlive.com/shows/2009/20090217.html)

Here's a video (by our Ryan I think?) from Sydney you can see a tech with a flashlight doing something on that synth, probably trying to fix it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAE0VhG90wg

Ah, I miss those days. My camera died right when The Fragile started.

[Exocet]

you pick that over the Perfect Drug single?

Perfect Drug EP is weird too, but i think some of the remixes are interesting, Trent seemed like he was taking things in an exciting direction.

its only the Orb remix which sucks, although the Orb is one of my favourite artists and legendary, the remix was a joke.

the EP is Very 1997
Meat Beat Manifesto, Plug, Spacetime Continuum are all really great electronic artists, Trent spoke a lot in the mid 90s talking about being influenced by electronica a lot more.
He spoke fondly of Goldie and Drum and Bass...

he had Nothing records promote and release loads of. warp records electronic material like Autechre into American markets.
this electronic influence did not really emerge on the Fragile which came out two years later, but Perfect Drug EP is an insight to something interesting from that period which might have gone somewhere.

[sweeterthan]

please let him tour with the longer hair. please!


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[bgalbraith]

Thinking of 2021 as just the next loop of the tape in The Background World, so made this
https://youtu.be/qLNGsuqASPA

[Erneuert]

These two shows have TL but Trent don't play that synth at the start :( so no.
https://ninlive.com/shows/2009/20090217.html
https://ninlive.com/shows/2009/20090224.html (https://ninlive.com/shows/2009/20090217.html)

Here's a video (by our Ryan I think?) from Sydney you can see a tech with a flashlight doing something on that synth, probably trying to fix it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAE0VhG90wg

Speaking of this show, they should open with The Frail/The Wretched more often.

https://youtu.be/x7tW0cdbevo

[NIN –Downward Spiral Book]

NEW – Edith Bowman interviews Reznor and Ross on Soundtrack Podcast!


Hello NIN fans!


BBC Radio presenter Edith Bowman talks to the dynamic duo about their soundtrack work – a really great podcast series – definitely check out the other episodes!

https://adamsteiner.uk/2021/01/23/new-edith-bowman-interviews-reznor-and-ross-on-soundtrack-podcast (https://adamsteiner.uk/2021/01/23/new-edith-bowman-interviews-reznor-and-ross-on-soundtrack-podcast)


I’ll be publishing a long form essay going in-depth on the making-of The Social Network soundtrack soon – coming soon on my blog.


My book INTO THE NEVER – a deep dive through The Downward Spiral is available now!

https://adamsteiner.uk/nine-inch-nails-into-the-never/


(https://adamsteiner.uk/2021/01/23/new-edith-bowman-interviews-reznor-and-ross-on-soundtrack-podcast)

[Endlessly]

Today I was again reminded of the Rock-afire Explosion cover of 1,000,000:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbnN6QmdrH4

[Frozen Beach]

Dear Trent, please cover Shock the Monkey by Peter Gabriel. Thanks.

[eversonpoe]

Dear Trent, please cover Shock the Monkey by Peter Gabriel. Thanks.

i feel like that'd be a great HTDA cover!

[Disassociative]

I’ve been watching some concerts from 1994 and 1995, specially performances of Happiness in Slavery. Good lord those poor keyboards.

[MrLobster]

I’ve been watching some concerts from 1994 and 1995, specially performances of Happiness in Slavery. Good lord those poor keyboards.

They insulted his choice of corn starch... it was completely understandable. :)

[Endlessly]

I’ve been watching some concerts from 1994 and 1995, specially performances of Happiness in Slavery. Good lord those poor keyboards.

What was that one interview where TR explained "well, when the electronics fuck up, they deserve to be punished"?

[botley]

What was that one interview where TR explained "well, when the electronics fuck up, they deserve to be punished"?

They're DX7s, they deserve whatever punishment is doled out regardless.

On the Fragility tour, they smashed so many of these they had to advertise on Sweetwater (https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/nine-inch-nails-needs-dx-7/) for more.

[Pyract]

What was that one interview where TR explained "well, when the electronics fuck up, they deserve to be punished"?
@ 1:52


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOf8kaj5cks

[m0reta]

For you Self Destruct Tour keyboard enthusiasts out there:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990429181025/http://www.wmld.com/album_main.html

Shout out to IRC channel #amnin circa 1997 for the memories tied to this topic!

[Disassociative]

I just found the scope and thoroughness of the destruction fascinating. The only Self Destruct era concert I had watched through until now was Woodstock and some of the shows later in the tour make that one look tame lol.

[TheBang]

For you Self Destruct Tour keyboard enthusiasts out there:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990429181025/http://www.wmld.com/album_main.html

Shout out to IRC channel #amnin circa 1997 for the memories tied to this topic!
https://web.archive.org/web/19990209093247/http://www.wmld.com/alb/album13.html
My first show. I remember walking past that twisted pile of wreckage on the way out.

[Magnetic]

My first big concert, and first NIN was Nov '94. My older sister graciously took me and my bf, even though she wasn't as into NIN as I was. I think it was a Pinion intro, but Mr. Self Destruct was the chaotic beginning. I was right up against the rail with my sister and bf.
My ears were ringing for a solid day after. Going to school the day after was weird. I had this TR image bootleg t-shirt I bought in Philadelphia in July '94. I couldn't hear much, but suddenly I was a not-so-anonymous goth kid.

I wish I could go back for that.

[Max]

My first big concert, and first NIN was Nov '94. My older sister graciously took me and my bf, even though she wasn't as into NIN as I was. I think it was a Pinion intro, but Mr. Self Destruct was the chaotic beginning. I was right up against the rail with my sister and bf.
My ears were ringing for a solid day after. Going to school the day after was weird. I had this TR image bootleg t-shirt I bought in Philadelphia in July '94. I couldn't hear much, but suddenly I was a not-so-anonymous goth kid.

I wish I could go back for that.

SO funny, my memory of Night of Nothing show with NIN in ATL is the same - walking out after the show feeling like my hearing was lost forever. It was such a small venue and the speakers were SO loud. I cannot imagine how Trent or any of these guys have ANY hearing left.

[WorzelG]

I’ve read something quite sinister on Twitter about QAnon’s early attempts to infiltrate groups and this guy says there was a 2003-2005 attempt to radicalise fans of ICP and NIN? I wasn’t around online till about 2007 so can anyone remember if this is a thing?

https://twitter.com/JerryFalwellJrP/status/1355214927666020353?s=20

[Indefinite_Cure]

I’ve read something quite sinister on Twitter about QAnon’s early attempts to infiltrate groups and this guy says there was a 2003-2005 attempt to radicalise fans of ICP and NIN? I wasn’t around online till about 2007 so can anyone remember if this is a thing?

https://twitter.com/JerryFalwellJrP/status/1355214927666020353?s=20

If that is true, not only is it completely nuts, but it may have fuelled Trent's inspiration for Year Zero. Pure speculation of course!

[WorzelG]

If that is true, not only is it completely nuts, but it may have fuelled Trent's inspiration for Year Zero. Pure speculation of course!
I’ve been reading a load of stuff about QAnon because of Marjorie Taylor Greene who is QAnon and shouted abuse at some poor lad involved in a school shooting which she says is a hoax and she’s on a fucking education committee for the Republicans and I came across this!

[onthewall2983]

I read a Letterboxd review of Rush: Beyond the Lighted Stage, that used one of his quotes and all I could think of was "'concoction' is such a Trent word".

[HWB]

Just re-listened to Not The Actual Events and I am blown away at how good it is, I feel spoiled as a fan to get some thing like "Burning Bright" this late into Trent's career, some people felt like the EP was not heavy enough..which I don't get, some of these songs are heavy as fuck

[Max]

If that is true, not only is it completely nuts, but it may have fuelled Trent's inspiration for Year Zero. Pure speculation of course!
NO, this is not true at ALL. Q-Anon was not a thing back then. It did not exist until October of 2017. It began in the bowels of the internet (4chan. etc.) as much of the Alt-Right and other bullshit originally excreted from.

So no, that was not a thing.

[zecho]

NO, this is not true at ALL. Q-Anon was not a thing back then. It did not exist until October of 2017. It began in the bowels of the internet (4chan. etc.) as much of the Alt-Right and other bullshit originally excreted from.

So no, that was not a thing.

Even without the qanon tie in, it's still not true. At no point in NIN's history has anything like that happened. Also, nothing else in that guy's twitter thread is true either. And outside of that thread, he posts a lot of other conspiracy theory bullshit as well.

[Disassociative]

Just re-listened to Not The Actual Events and I am blown away at how good it is, I feel spoiled as a fan to get some thing like "Burning Bright" this late into Trent's career, some people felt like the EP was not heavy enough..which I don't get, some of these songs are heavy as fuck

After HTDA and Hesitation Marks (both of which I loved don't get me wrong) Not The Actual Events blew me away. Heavy, noisy, gritty sounding NIN found its way back to us. First time I listened to Burning Bright I put it on repeat for so long.

[WorzelG]

NO, this is not true at ALL. Q-Anon was not a thing back then. It did not exist until October of 2017. It began in the bowels of the internet (4chan. etc.) as much of the Alt-Right and other bullshit originally excreted from.

So no, that was not a thing.
Fair enough I wasn’t online or using forums till 2007 but ETS was pretty shitty back then so it wouldn’t surprise me that’s all

[Haysey_Draws]

Fair enough I wasn’t online or using forums till 2007 but ETS was pretty shitty back then so it wouldn’t surprise me that’s all

I remember originally joining the ETS back in 2007 (i had only got into the net as a thing in 2004, but this was the first forum i joined...actually one of the only ones!) I remember i caused a bit of an argument when i asked how likely a recording on one of the Brixton shows would show up. Some were angry i asked so soon after the show and others defended me for just asking and not demanding the info...i didn't come back for awhile lol.

[WorzelG]

I remember originally joining the ETS back in 2007 (i had only got into the net as a thing in 2004, but this was the first forum i joined...actually one of the only ones!) I remember i caused a bit of an argument when i asked how likely a recording on one of the Brixton shows would show up. Some were angry i asked so soon after the show and others defended me for just asking and not demanding the info...i didn't come back for awhile lol.
It was just filled with people getting ludicrously angry over everything, I mean some of it was entertaining but not in a ‘I’d like to join in’ kind of way

[allegate]

semi-related: there's a message board I used to frequent and now only lurk because of how toxic the members got. they act like complete asses and then bitch like little kids when one of the abusive fucks get banned.

I now have all of those people on mute and there are sometimes entire pages of "this post is by someone on your list" and it's so much easier. until someone quotes them, ugh. lol

[HWB]

After HTDA and Hesitation Marks (both of which I loved don't get me wrong) Not The Actual Events blew me away. Heavy, noisy, gritty sounding NIN found its way back to us. First time I listened to Burning Bright I put it on repeat for so long.
I have a very vivid memory of me listening to NTAE for the first time, it's probably one of the best album/EP launches I've ever experienced. Listening to Branches/Bones and The Idea Of You for the first time..dude I was SO happy, this was so fucking nasty and heavy and I never imagined Trent would ever scream like that ever again, it was like a dream come true. I always wanted NIN to put on this incredibly dark/slower more tense sound and they did it perfectly.

[Haysey_Draws]

semi-related: there's a message board I used to frequent and now only lurk because of how toxic the members got. they act like complete asses and then bitch like little kids when one of the abusive fucks get banned.

I now have all of those people on mute and there are sometimes entire pages of "this post is by someone on your list" and it's so much easier. until someone quotes them, ugh. lol

Not to derail this tread but that sounds a lot like the few anime forums i joined...a lot of those places are filled with the worst people. Which sucks because i'd love to talk about anime, but not with the people on them :(

[thefragile_jake]

It’ll probably never happen, but I think the live album of And All That Could Have Been would be incredible on vinyl. Would love for it to get an LP release, but won’t hold my breath.

[eversonpoe]

It’ll probably never happen, but I think the live album of And All That Could Have Been would be incredible on vinyl. Would love for it to get an LP release, but won’t hold my breath.

as long as they fix the audio (or properly extract it from the DVD)

personally i'm more invested in Still eventually being pressed (which trent promised in...2017 at the Reckless Q&A)

[thefragile_jake]

as long as they fix the audio (or properly extract it from the DVD)

personally i'm more invested in Still eventually being pressed (which trent promised in...2017 at the Reckless Q&A)

Oh for sure, I think outside of grabbing the Slip which is still in "coming soon" mode ... finally getting Still on wax is what I'm most eager on. I watched the video below last night and it got me thinking to what a fun listen that album is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYKHkXMEczQ

[r_z]

So I managed to smuggle some NIN coolnes into the promotional video of our school by scoring a scene with a song from Ghosts. ;)

[eachpassingphase]

I love the Target "Buy 2 get 1 free" deals that happen for vinyl somewhat regularly. Snatched Deviations and Quake among my 3, and saved a good chunk of change.

[Endlessly]

A blast from the past...

https://64.media.tumblr.com/b1d3b5daa62a758e843a182f9cbb5367/tumblr_n0z5eeWr1V1qa86ezo1_640.png

[HWB]

Listening to Together, still holds up as a very quality Ambient record

[HWB]

I'm in that mood again where The Slip is my favorite album, very tightly put together, superb album, very underrated.

[thefragile_jake]

I had read online a few years ago there was a weird segment during the MTV VMAs in 1998 where Courtney Love and Marilyn Manson were shit talking Trent Reznor on live TV. I always wanted to see if I could find proof of it somewhere but never could come up with anything. Oddly enough, I went down a YouTube wormhole last night and found it.


https://youtu.be/ylvBPPHM2ps?t=90

Starts at 1:30, but it's Love with the newly reunited Hole. She asks "whatever happened to Trent Reznor?" and proceeds to tell this weird story about how she has a theory that her and Marilyn Manson ate his nuts or something. It's bizarre. It's also hilarious because apparently after this segment was when the first tease of the Fragile in the "ninety nine" commercial debuted.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hywi7FtEo4

Crazy to think Trent was hard at work on the Fragile which wouldn't be released until a year later and he had peers talking trash on TV.

[Tom]

I had read online a few years ago there was a weird segment during the MTV VMAs in 1998 where Courtney Love and Marilyn Manson were shit talking Trent Reznor on live TV. I always wanted to see if I can proof of it somewhere but never could come up with anything. Oddly enough, I went down a YouTube wormhole last night and found it.

"He gone. And we're thriving!"

Time is a funny old thing.

[thefragile_jake]

"He gone. And we're thriving!"

Time is a funny old thing.

Exactly.

Also wanted to share that because of the context in 1998 vs. 2021.

[WorzelG]

Exactly.

Also wanted to share that because of the context in 1998 vs. 2021.
This whole ‘Marilyn Manson ate the father’ narrative is in this interview with Howard Stern too. Almost like they got together to push this narrative. It’s from about 2 mins or so.

https://youtu.be/awWZeg7MmcY

[eachpassingphase]

Vaguely NIN-related and I can’t remember if I mentioned this or not.

One of my hobbies is indie perfumes, and many of my favorite houses occasionally have slots for collaboration on custom scents. So when I was able to nab custom slots, I decided to have some fun with it and do perfumes that were NIN-themed. I basically just told the perfume houses “can you make a perfume that you think embodies this song or music video?” Both houses seemed to have a blast doing it, especially since I gave them total creative freedom with the notes.

One I’ve had for a few months, the other just arrived today.

The first one is from a company called Death and Floral out of Texas. The perfume is inspired by “The Perfect Drug”, and has notes of absinthe, black musk, velvet, silk and cold metal.

The second one is from a company called Stereoplasm out of Canada, and it’s inspired by Head Like a Hole. It has notes of black (as your soul) coffee along with leather, amber resin, clove and teak wood.

Both of them are extremely atmospheric and masculine, I’m hoping to get a custom slot somewhere else in the future to do a more feminine scent with my “theme”. I thought it might be neat to do something using the song La Mer next time.

But yeah, fun experience for a fan who also loves perfume and cologne!


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[EvilGobi]

Vaguely NIN-related and I can’t remember if I mentioned this or not.

One of my hobbies is indie perfumes, and many of my favorite houses occasionally have slots for collaboration on custom scents. So when I was able to nab custom slots, I decided to have some fun with it and do perfumes that were NIN-themed. I basically just told the perfume houses “can you make a perfume that you think embodies this song or music video?” Both houses seemed to have a blast doing it, especially since I gave them total creative freedom with the notes.

One I’ve had for a few months, the other just arrived today.

The first one is from a company called Death and Floral out of Texas. The perfume is inspired by “The Perfect Drug”, and has notes of absinthe, black musk, velvet, silk and cold metal.

The second one is from a company called Stereoplasm out of Canada, and it’s inspired by Head Like a Hole. It has notes of black (as your soul) coffee along with leather, amber resin, clove and teak wood.

Both of them are extremely atmospheric and masculine, I’m hoping to get a custom slot somewhere else in the future to do a more feminine scent with my “theme”. I thought it might be neat to do something using the song La Mer next time.

But yeah, fun experience for a fan who also loves perfume and cologne!


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210216/a9ee32e4bc8d0679d51ca01e7b59eaf3.jpg


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That HLAH one sounds like my jam

[Exocet]

i didnt know until today that the track Ruiner sampled this massive 1984 hip hop breakdance classic for its main beat. have known both songs for many years but never made connection.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgIwp-lJhs

[piggy]

i didnt know until today that the track Ruiner sampled this massive 1984 hip hop breakdance classic for its main beat. have known both songs for many years but never made connection.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgIwp-lJhs
I came across this info last year and never added it to the wiki. Thanks for reminding me.

[Ruined]

This whole ‘Marilyn Manson ate the father’ narrative is in this interview with Howard Stern too. Almost like they got together to push this narrative. It’s from about 2 mins or so.

https://youtu.be/awWZeg7MmcY
I try to avoid being petty, but this feels appropriate: I find it laughable that Courtney Love is talking like Trent's career was over in 1998 (mere months before he dropped another classic album in The Fragile). Fast-forward to now and I have no idea if Love has put anything meaningful out and, well, not much to be said about Warner. Meanwhile, Trent put out even more excellent albums, got inducted into the Rock 'n Roll HoF, won an Oscar and continues to do amazing work with both NIN and his scores.

[alfonso99]

This whole ‘Marilyn Manson ate the father’ narrative is in this interview with Howard Stern too. Almost like they got together to push this narrative. It’s from about 2 mins or so.

https://youtu.be/awWZeg7MmcY

She should go to Howard Stern again and being asked if she hates Trent now every time she's watching movies...

[Leviathant]

i didnt know until today that the track Ruiner sampled this massive 1984 hip hop breakdance classic for its main beat. have known both songs for many years but never made connection.

If it makes you feel any better, I had the same reaction when I learned about this connection last year. Before I found Nine Inch Nails, "The Best of the Art Of Noise" was kinda all I listened to for months, and is still an album I return to from time to time. For as much as that album is embedded in my mind, I listened to TDS probably 100x as much, if not more, than that, and never picked up on that those were Art of Noise samples either.

[ncrecc]

Considering pasting together parts of the Terrible Lie multitrack to make a sort of differently mixed Terrible Lie (Empathetic Mix) instrumental. Has anyone else done this already?

[bobbie solo]

I try to avoid being petty, but this feels appropriate: I find it laughable that Courtney Love is talking like Trent's career was over in 1998

Fuck that. Revel in that feeling. It's Courtney Love. She has quintupled down on this approach to her celebrity. She deserves that exact response from the public, part us NIN fans. And that comes from a huge fan of Hole (would have killed to see them live at all...and even moreso pre-Celebrity Skin).

[WorzelG]

Fuck that. Revel in that feeling. It's Courtney Love. She has quintupled down on this approach to her celebrity. She deserves that exact response from the public, part us NIN fans. And that comes from a huge fan of Hole (would have killed to see them live at all...and even moreso pre-Celebrity Skin).
Yes, if she says she wants to be competitive with men in rock like in this interview, she needs to record an album and tour it, she just does nothing for years except spew this blah crap. When was her last album, 2010? Put up or shut up. Having said that my oldest boy loves Courtney Love from that song on Captain Marvel. Watching the video he said ‘mummy do you love Courtney Love? I do’

[blassster]

I wanna see Trent and Atticus in a heist movie as part of the group of robbers

[pcpunk]

‘I’m gonna go make a withdrawal’

[tony.parente]

My GF and I were listening to Vessel and out of nowhere she spouted out “this is a toot song”. She ruined it for me, now I can’t hear anything but farts on the beat of the track. I’ve been listening to that song for almost 14 years.

toot song

[JamieMoon]

Ha, when I first listened to that one all I could think was "This sounds like farts." Anytime I listen to YZ I think "Okay, maybe this time it will sounds less like farts, it has to."

I'm never proven right.

[thefragile_jake]

Someone once made a joke about The Collector being about collecting beanie babies and I can’t unsee Trent singing that song in a room full of beanie babies.

[muad'nin]

I forgot that this existed until today -


https://youtu.be/hMAJgk0tNk8

They sound so good and look great. Impressive energy for a Saturday morning. ;)

[blassster]

I forgot that this existed until today -


https://youtu.be/hMAJgk0tNk8

They sound so good and look great. Impressive energy for a Saturday morning. ;)He's wearing the sunglasses to hide that he's actually still sleeping.

[WorzelG]

I forgot that this existed until today -


https://youtu.be/hMAJgk0tNk8

They sound so good and look great. Impressive energy for a Saturday morning. ;)
What was it with the white shirt Trent was always wearing around this time? Was it a deliberate attempt to break with the past because it didn’t last long

[thefragile_jake]

I forgot that this existed until today -


https://youtu.be/hMAJgk0tNk8

They sound so good and look great. Impressive energy for a Saturday morning. ;)

Oh man, I’ve been trying to find this forever! I remember the forum loving the white shirt look here, haha.

[spahn]

Oh man, I’ve been trying to find this forever! I remember the forum loving the white shirt look here, haha.

Black / White shirt with khaki colored pants for the NIN | JA Tour too. Nine Inch Nails Live Archive: NIN, May 08, 2009, West Palm Beach, FL, Cruzan Amphitheater (ninlive.com) (https://ninlive.com/shows/2009/20090508.html)

[TinDefacto]

I've known for a long time that the main "swooshing" sound in Sin is the word "stuff" from the classic "Ahhh, this stuff is really fresh!" sample from Fab 5 Freddy's Change the Beat. (It's one of the most sampled songs of all time (https://www.whosampled.com/sample/60471/Nine-Inch-Nails-Sin-Beside-Change-the-Beat-(Female-Version)/), usually from the "ahhh" or "fresh" being scratched.) It was the first sample I ever spotted(?) with my own ears, back in elementary school, and the first time I ever geeked out about a sample.

But I had no idea until today that Sin samples other parts of it as well!! That alarm-esque sound in the breakdown is the "fresh", and the "ahhh" is sampled in the chorus! (The latter is really obvious in retrospect.) Those timestamps are also in the link, if anyone's curious.

I know a lot of y'all already know this, but I just think that's so damn cool and such a creative/genius use of one of the most popular samples of all time.

[artdeco]

I've known for a long time that the main "swooshing" sound in Sin is the word "stuff" from the classic "Ahhh, this stuff is really fresh!" sample from Fab 5 Freddy's Change the Beat. (It's one of the most sampled songs of all time (https://www.whosampled.com/sample/60471/Nine-Inch-Nails-Sin-Beside-Change-the-Beat-(Female-Version)/), usually from the "ahhh" or "fresh" being scratched.) It was the first sample I ever spotted(?) with my own ears, back in elementary school, and the first time I ever geeked out about a sample.

But I had no idea until today that Sin samples other parts of it as well!! That alarm-esque sound in the breakdown is the "fresh", and the "ahhh" is sampled in the chorus! (The latter is really obvious in retrospect.) Those timestamps are also in the link, if anyone's curious.

I know a lot of y'all already know this, but I just think that's so damn cool and such a creative/genius use of one of the most popular samples of all time.

I don't know if you've seen this, but at about halfway into this video they look at the Emu Emax synth and a small bit it played in Sin. I also enjoy finding little secrets like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t982zJf49Y

[TinDefacto]

I had not seen that -- that's really cool!! And explains a lot I guess, haha. Thanks for sharing!!

[Erneuert]

Someone once made a joke about The Collector being about collecting beanie babies and I can’t unsee Trent singing that song in a room full of beanie babies.

And swallowing jizz and such.

[thefragile_jake]

And swallowing jizz and such.

Well ...

[ickyvicky]

um, what? lmao

[tony.parente]

And swallowing jizz and such.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1a/7b/bf/1a7bbfe5d338d9a69641307952fc9e5c.gif

[allegate]

um, what? lmao

I'm trying to fit it all inside
I'm trying to open my mouth wide
I'm trying not to choke and
Swallow it all, swallow it all
Swallow it all, swallow it allvery literal reading of the lyrics I guess.

[Erneuert]

“I am a good boy
and will...”

[ickyvicky]

Gotcha. Forgot about that lol

[bobbie solo]

Downward Spiral turned 27 yesterday.

[spahn]

I found trent's background [emoji1]
https://www.etsy.com/listing/751433126/studio-wooden-sound-diffuser-acoustic

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[dlb]

Listend to Starfuckers Inc. the other day and I can't help myself... while it's not my favorite song in particular, I really love how tense Trent sounds on this, especially the "don't you" part.

I wonder if that particular track would sit better with fans if Manson wasn't involved. I mean, now more than ever...

[WorzelG]

Listend to Starfuckers Inc. the other day and I can't help myself... while it's not my favorite song in particular, I really love how tense Trent sounds on this, especially the "don't you" part.

I wonder if that particular track would sit better with fans if Manson wasn't involved. I mean, now more than ever...
I love the intro, verses and outro to this track, but the chorus is just really stupid and lets it down for me

[xfocalinx]

We are a day away ffom the one year anniversary of Ghosts: IV and V, and we still haven't hear a word about a physical release or even any credits or anything.

[WorzelG]

We are a day away ffom the one year anniversary of Ghosts: IV and V, and we still haven't hear a word about a physical release or even any credits or anything.
If the idea that Locusts is the unused Woman in the Window score is true I doubt it would be legal to sell it. Listening to it, it does have an avant garde thriller feel. When I listen to Run Like Hell I imagine Carrie from Homeland on one of her missions!

[xfocalinx]

If the idea that Locusts is the unused Woman in the Window score is true I doubt it would be legal to sell it.

right, but I find it odd that he'd give it a Halo number if he couldn't sell it.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Loving this video series, how did I not realise until now that My Violent Heart, God Given and Zero Sum have almost identical drum loops


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9U77xgiOA

[Erneuert]

Imagine sitting back in the studio with your producer and listening back to the final finished versions of Ripe (With Decay) or JLYI.

Imagine creating things like that.

Trent would probably have been like “it’s good, but could be better. Too late now, album’s out in a month.”

[Erneuert]

We are a day away ffom the one year anniversary of Ghosts: IV and V, and we still haven't hear a word about a physical release or even any credits or anything.

Never mind physical releases. The future will bring us technology where it just goes straight to our ear/brain and we won’t even care about or need a digital copy of shit.

[elevenism]

I was just looking at nin shirts for sale, as you do, and I got to thinking: did you guys have what I think of as THE nin shirt, back before TDS? It was the white box logo on the front, and the print was ever so slightly raised off of the shirt. And, on the back it had that big, black on black NIN logo that is similar to the SIN logo, and it said nineinchnails in white.
I had more than one of those, and, holy mother of god, it just hit me that I bought the first one almost thirty fucking years ago. I was 12, and I'm 41.

That was the only nin shirt I could find in Dallas, until I came across a fixed shirt: the one with the big blue lowercase n? But, at that point, my tiny nin fan group had yet to SEE a copy of fixed in the wild. So, we thought it was just a witty reference to broken.

Those were my first few nin shirts, until ftds, where I bought the one where the tds logo looking like it had been all sliced up. I ALSO remember seeing a logo shirt at the show for like, $50, that looked like it was made of some sort of fucking rubber or some shit: it looked like it was meant to be worn at the bdsm club. I never saw that one again.

Anyway, I'm just reminiscing. I have so many goddamn nin shirts, now. @heavenly_bearded (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=341) even sold me NINE of them for $50 at one point, I think.

But I wonder why bands don't reprint those old shirts anymore. I remember in like 2008, getting a brand new 90s era tool shirt and tds shirt. And, fuck, there are SO many old, rush, for instance, shirts that I would LOVE to have, too. You'd think they'd at LEAST do limited runs of them or something, nowadays. Anyway, I'm rambling at this point.

But yeah, those old shirts were badass, partially because you COULDN'T just order them online, and there WEREN'T a bunch of designs yet.

[piggy]

I was just looking at nin shirts for sale, as you do, and I got to thinking: did you guys have what I think of as THE nin shirt, back before TDS? It was the white box logo on the front, and the print was ever so slightly raised off of the shirt. And, on the back it had that big, black on black NIN logo that is similar to the SIN logo, and it said nineinchnails in white.
I had more than one of those, and, holy mother of god, it just hit me that I bought the first one almost thirty fucking years ago. I was 12, and I'm 41.
I had that exact same shirt, and it was probably my first NIN shirt as well. I wore the fuck out of it and then one day my mom ruined it with bleach. I also had a Fragility tour shirt, a WT shirt, and a couple of TDS shirts.

The shirt I wanted really badly in the 90s and never got hold of was this:
https://wycovintage.com/product/1990s-nine-inch-nails-nothing-records-shirt/



But I wonder why bands don't reprint those old shirts anymore. I remember in like 2008, getting a brand new 90s era tool shirt and tds shirt. And, fuck, there are SO many old, rush, for instance, shirts that I would LOVE to have, too. You'd think they'd at LEAST do limited runs of them or something, nowadays.
R.E.M. and U2 have done reprints of their old shirts. I'm sure a bunch of bands have.

[elevenism]

Oh shit, @piggy (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=568) , that one is sick.
I REALLY wish I still had the one from the show, with the chopped up tds logo. Someone flexed one of them on me once, here, when I was talking about it before. But I guess shirts don't last if you WEAR them. I'm on my fourth nin jacket and wondering if it's time for number five.

Yeah, I guess it's just MY favorite bands that don't reprint shirts. Like, I've found old rush dead stock on the Rockabilia website: remember, the company with the magazine ads with shirts for every band you'd ever heard of? But, they only have x small. I assume they've been sitting in some warehouse since the 90s.

[thenorthwood]

The shirt I wanted really badly in the 90s and never got hold of was this:
https://wycovintage.com/product/1990s-nine-inch-nails-nothing-records-shirt/

I bought this shirt in the mid or late 90’s at Sam Goody or the other music store that was typically in the mall during that era (can’t remember the name). I haven’t worn it in years, but now I’m feeling nostalgic and want to wear it again.

[piggy]

Yeah, I guess it's just MY favorite bands that don't reprint shirts. Like, I've found old rush dead stock on the Rockabilia website: remember, the company with the magazine ads with shirts for every band you'd ever heard of? But, they only have x small. I assume they've been sitting in some warehouse since the 90s.
Yeah, bands that aren't doing new runs of old shirts are really missing out on a sure thing. And I totally remember Rockabilia! I bought lots of shit from them back in the day.

[Magnetic]

I had a non-official NIN shirt from 1994 era of TR on the shirt. I bought it off South Street in Philly as a teen summer of 1994. I wore that until it turned to threads. I actually think an ex stole it from me when it was on the thin side. I lived in that shirt.

[elevenism]

I had a non-official NIN shirt from 1994 era of TR on the shirt. I bought it off South Street in Philly as a teen summer of 1994. I wore that until it turned to threads. I actually think an ex stole it from me when it was on the thin side. I lived in that shirt.
DUDE! When I was a kid, I "collected" bootleg shirts. Every halfway decent sized show in Dallas, including NIN in 94 and 95, had immigrant shirt bootleggers, hustling in the parking lot. I loved the idea of these bootlegers printing these shirts, likely not knowing who the band was, undercutting the official merch. Of course, I'd by an official shirt, too. Those were the days of $20 for a ticket, $20 for a shirt, $10 for a bootleg shirt.

[chuckrh]

I'd love to hear Trent experiment more with strings, like that year he played the Bridge School benefit. I'm a big fan of cellos & I think they would lend themselves well to some of the material. This came into my head whilst listening to "Animal Serenade" by Lou Reed. Excellent live record (except for the Raven stuff haha) & the cello player really adds something special when it's used.

[Max]

I am all about this. They worked with orchestra on Mank and maybe a bit for Watchmen. My dream would be for them to do a show or series or shows with a full orchestra. Have you seen what Portishead did years ago? TDS and TF would be great candidates for performing in their entirety (okay maybe not Big Man with an Orchestra).

[Max]

In another random thought, I will be AMAZED if NIN aid not retired soon. Rationale? Well Trent and Atticus are getting WAY s’more affirmation and money and awards and opportunities as composers. Like it doesn’t even compare now. Meanwhile the music industry is shit, they can’t make much from NIN, they are aging, their fan base is generally aging and not very diverse (myself included) and people think of NIN as a legacy act in spite of their new materials being just as incredible as anything from back then. Furthermore Rock as a genre is barely hanging on and is so outside of the culture now. And speaking of the culture, everything is shallow now. Few people spend any time with art. You can stream everything in the world for peanuts, a new album gets five minutes of attention. It’s all Instagram and TikTok.

in that kind of atmosphere, what in the world would motivate you to keep pushing that boulder up the hill? I know he does it as a vehicle of self-expression and because he just enjoys it, but he is also the kind of person who would never want to keep something going just to keep it going.

I bet we have one NIN album left if we are lucky. I hope I am wrong, but you can’t argue with the way I have described the landscape and the situation. I think NIN has produced some of the greatest, most relevant and vital music in the world in the past few years. But that world sucks and doesn’t appreciate good things any more. How long do you give your pearls to swine who don’t deserve it (present company excluded of course). Trent has a lot of integrity and perseverance, I’ll give him that. I’d be too disillusioned to even try anymore. Too attracted by what earning me the awards and too pissed at the poor taste of Americans.

[sweeterthan]

someone shared this video on facebook and now i can’t stop watching it. i miss nin shows and tour hoopla and trent being effortlessly cool while falling off a stage.

https://youtu.be/iyXUx2qds1k

[botley]

I'd love to hear Trent experiment more with strings, like that year he played the Bridge School benefit. I'm a big fan of cellos & I think they would lend themselves well to some of the material. This came into my head whilst listening to "Animal Serenade" by Lou Reed. Excellent live record (except for the Raven stuff haha) & the cello player really adds something special when it's used.
Personally, I kinda love The Raven (the full length version is bonkers) and yes Jane S. shreds on 'cello. Have you ever seen David Gilmour's In Concert DVD from the 2001 Meltdown festival? A bunch of old Pink Floyd and solo songs re-worked for acoustic guitar & piano, plus stand-up bass and 'cello, and a choir. That kind of setup would be cool for a Fragile/Still/Soundtracks tour.

[Wulgaren]

if the soundtracks are their main source of money then i don’t see any reason for them not to release stuff as NIN for the few that do appreciate art and what they do nowadays. its okay to be obscure.

“i’m safe in here, irrelevant”

[Jazzkokehead]

In another random thought, I will be AMAZED if NIN aid not retired soon. Rationale? Well Trent and Atticus are getting WAY s’more affirmation and money and awards and opportunities as composers. Like it doesn’t even compare now. Meanwhile the music industry is shit, they can’t make much from NIN, they are aging, their fan base is generally aging and not very diverse (myself included) and people think of NIN as a legacy act in spite of their new materials being just as incredible as anything from back then. Furthermore Rock as a genre is barely hanging on and is so outside of the culture now. And speaking of the culture, everything is shallow now. Few people spend any time with art. You can stream everything in the world for peanuts, a new album gets five minutes of attention. It’s all Instagram and TikTok.

in that kind of atmosphere, what in the world would motivate you to keep pushing that boulder up the hill? I know he does it as a vehicle of self-expression and because he just enjoys it, but he is also the kind of person who would never want to keep something going just to keep it going.

I bet we have one NIN album left if we are lucky. I hope I am wrong, but you can’t argue with the way I have described the landscape and the situation. I think NIN has produced some of the greatest, most relevant and vital music in the world in the past few years. But that world sucks and doesn’t appreciate good things any more. How long do you give your pearls to swine who don’t deserve it (present company excluded of course). Trent has a lot of integrity and perseverance, I’ll give him that. I’d be too disillusioned to even try anymore. Too attracted by what earning me the awards and too pissed at the poor taste of Americans.

Sorry, but I can't really agree with this. Maybe I'm biased, and it's just my personal, selfish desire to want Trent to work on NIN until the end of time, but I still don't see this happening. Wasn't there just an interview recently where Trent said he was excited to get back to touring in a post-COVID world? Doesn't sound like something a guy ready to throw in the towel would say. While I have no idea how much money he's pulling in for a film score, the amount he makes on touring and merchandise can't be small. And I also think NIN is a pretty mutable entity, especially live; if a future live show was just Trent, a piano, and maybe a few string or keyboard accompaniments, I'd still buy the shit out that ticket.

[fillow]

There's been literally zero indication that Trent wants to put NIN to rest. On the contrary, he said a lot of times that he's quite comfortable with their present schedule of switching between NIN and score work. Some unexpected opportunities for one project may inspire some new direction in the other one, and, as already said above, putting NIN on hold for a couple of years makes him eventually miss it and get more excited to come back. Which is precisely the change he needed after non-stop 2005-2009 touring era, which burned him out to the point of potentially retiring the band.

[Jazzkokehead]

Ilan Rubin has been such a win for the NIN live band. Apart from the fact that he's a great drummer, his ability to switch to guitar, bass or keys as the song demands is fantastic. I think his bass playing on Disappointed live, for example, is a good bit better than Pino Palladino's. Which seems almost heretical to say, given Pino's legendary status, but, well, there it is.

[eversonpoe]

Ilan Rubin has been such a win for the NIN live band. Apart from the fact that he's a great drummer, his ability to switch to guitar, bass or keys as the song demands is fantastic. I think his bass playing on Disappointed live, for example, is a good bit better than Pino Palladino's. Which seems almost heretical to say, given Pino's legendary status, but, well, there it is.

pino plays in a VERY particular style. i think it worked on a good bit of the HM material. but i honestly preferred it when josh was on bass. it had more urgency and i think it served the material (especially the older material) better. i actually can't stand the version of MotP with pino on bass. it sounds off.

[WorzelG]

pino plays in a VERY particular style. i think it worked on a good bit of the HM material. but i honestly preferred it when josh was on bass. it had more urgency and i think it served the material (especially the older material) better. i actually can't stand the version of MotP with pino on bass. it sounds off.
I did love Pino’s Sanctified, but I also loved the bass in the Sanctified from the festivals, which I assume was Josh? But they both had their merits

[eversonpoe]

I did love Pino’s Sanctified, but I also loved the bass in the Sanctified from the festivals, which I assume was Josh? But they both had their merits

yeah, festival version was josh, which i also preferred. it was sexy instead of noodly. i don't want noodly bass in NIN.

[WorzelG]

yeah, festival version was josh, which i also preferred. it was sexy instead of noodly. i don't want noodly bass in NIN.
Ha there was a certain throbbing style about it that fit, I can see that. It was very forthright

[Jazzkokehead]

pino plays in a VERY particular style. i think it worked on a good bit of the HM material. but i honestly preferred it when josh was on bass. it had more urgency and i think it served the material (especially the older material) better. i actually can't stand the version of MotP with pino on bass. it sounds off.

I actually liked Pino's bass on March of the Pigs. The song hasn't been played with a huge amount of variation for literal decades now; what he brought to it was welcome, I thought.

Poor Josh Eustis, though. Talented guy who seems to have really gotten a raw deal.

[Erneuert]

Re-reading this and I can’t help wondering where the Super 8 footage vanished to... or who stole it and still has it to this day?

https://pantograph-punch.com/posts/interview-with-simon-maxwell

And from what I remember, someone stole all the Super 8 footage! It just disappeared. It was shot all over the country in the States, then it was shipped to LA and then it was shipped back to England. When we came to put it all together, a lot of the Super 8 footage had disappeared. I knew we had it – I had seen the rolls of film – but when we came to put it together – you know, we had these rolls sitting next to the telecine machine - I am going, “Where the fuck is all the Super 8?” Because that was the idea, capturing the essence of the whole gig on Super 8, and intercutting it with the high production, 35mm stuff. But – it disappeared!
How weird.
That kind of put a spanner in the works, and we were really short on that footage. It’s not something you can go back and repeat again. So yeah, that did cause a problem. And we didn’t reshoot anything as the tour had finished.
So the ‘Hurt’ video was done and dusted before then, and that was quite a straight-forward process. And it evolved a little bit, but effectively that never changed.

[WorzelG]

Up until recently NIN were listed as an artist with Capitol Records, I guess from the Bad Witch era (not sure if they were on Capitol for the 2 EPs?) - not anymore, sign something is afoot?
https://www.capitolrecords.com/artists/#/

[jmtd]

I'm finally, FINALLY in a position to sell on the OG vinyl I've been meaning to shift for ages (but I'm too nervous to post it), my favourit erecord store that I haven't been near for 18 months is opposite the vaccination centre I'm heading to this afternoon.

BUT

my plan was to sell my OG so I could buy up definitive editions and they're all unobtanium now! Bah.

Still going to sell I think, if they'll take them for a reasonable price. Reasonable being: fair enough, I'm going to make less than if I sold em but I'm not dealing with postage.

Argh

[tony.parente]

lol remember in 2017 they announced definitive editions of all the records were coming but it's 4 years later and there's about half left not reissued?

[Max]

lol remember in 2017 they announced definitive editions of all the records were coming but it's 4 years later and there's about half left not reissued?

This is the way.

[botley]

all the records were coming

I don't remember hearing 'all' the records were coming as Definitive Editions, where did that announcement happen?

[tony.parente]

I don't remember hearing 'all' the records were coming as Definitive Editions, where did that announcement happen?

ALL NINE INCH NAILS RECORDS BEING REISSUED ON VINYL (https://www.nin.com/nine-inch-nails-records-reissued-vinyl/)

"THE FIRST THREE DEFINITIVE EDITIONS (BROKEN (https://store.nin.com/products/broken-2017-definitive-vinyl), THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL (https://store.nin.com/products/the-downward-spiral-vinyl-2017) AND THE FRAGILE (https://store.nin.com/products/the-fragile-2017-definitive-edition)) ARE AVAILABLE FOR PREORDER NOW IN THE NIN STORE (http://hyperurl.co/ninstore) (SHIPPING SPRING ’17), WITH THE REST TO FOLLOW IN ’17."

[botley]

Thanks for digging that up. It's disappointing that the reissues stalled, and of course I want them to continue, but just to be nit-picky I'll note that in the body of the text it says 'all the main NIN releases', which going by their own discography listing includes PHM (already remastered and reissued in 2010), the three that did come out in 2017, With Teeth (reissued 2019), Year Zero, Ghosts I–IV, The Slip, Hesitation Marks, the EP trilogy, and the last two Ghosts volumes. I think even if they just do Year Zero and The Slip (still advertised as 'coming soon' on 2xLP), and leave it at that, they'll be able to say they finished the Definitive Edition series. Let's hope that happens this year (along with a physical Ghosts V–VI release?)...

[artdeco]

Yup. Love that they let Jon take the floor.

[ekrekel]

Yup. Love that they let Jon take the floor.

I agree TR/AR class acts and happy for Jon, although a mention other than “for us” would have been nice.

[alfonso99]

If you're inducted to the R&RHOF, win a Golden Globe and an Oscar in a 6 month period...you're in a fucking good run! (well deserved, we all know).

[Krazy]

Yup. Love that they let Jon take the floor.

That dude was SUPER excited!!! Good speech and, yeah, they seemed cool with taking a backseat. Fucking congrats.

[sweeterthan]

2 oscars is a lot.


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[sonic_discord]

Two-time Academy Award-winners Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross, ladies and gentlemen!

[burninglard]

2 oscars is a lot.


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Screw it, let’s go for a 3rd. So happy for the guys to win tonight :)

[burninglard]

Congratulations to Trent, Atticus and Jon. I will be honest though, I haven’t seen the movie yet. Lol.

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

Can't help but think the more recognition Trent and Atticus keep getting for their score work is just another nail in the Nine Inch Nails coffin. At this point NIN is already a side project and scoring is the main thing. Now more and more bigwig Hollywood studios are going to commission them for score work. Get ready for another 10 scores in the next 4 years and one four song NIN EP to tide us over in that same stretch

RIP NIN 1988-2021?

[fillow]

RIP NIN 1988-2021?

Yes, this is exactly what they said.
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[WorzelG]

Since the conversation seems to be here, I’ll add this

https://twitter.com/ssunspotss/status/1386580501553582080?s=20

[WorzelG]

Can't help but think the more recognition Trent and Atticus keep getting for their score work is just another nail in the Nine Inch Nails coffin. At this point NIN is already a side project and scoring is the main thing. Now more and more bigwig Hollywood studios are going to commission them for score work. Get ready for another 10 scores in the next 4 years and one four song NIN EP to tide us over in that same stretch

RIP NIN 1988-2021?
I actually prefer now to back in 2005 - 2009 to when Trent clearly burnt himself out on touring. I'm happy for a tour every few years, absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that

[Jazzkokehead]

Can't help but think the more recognition Trent and Atticus keep getting for their score work is just another nail in the Nine Inch Nails coffin. At this point NIN is already a side project and scoring is the main thing. Now more and more bigwig Hollywood studios are going to commission them for score work. Get ready for another 10 scores in the next 4 years and one four song NIN EP to tide us over in that same stretch

RIP NIN 1988-2021?

So, someone else in another thread expressed a similar thought, and I replied with this:


Sorry, but I can't really agree with this. Maybe I'm biased, and it's just my personal, selfish desire to want Trent to work on NIN until the end of time, but I still don't see this happening. Wasn't there just an interview recently where Trent said he was excited to get back to touring in a post-COVID world? Doesn't sound like something a guy ready to throw in the towel would say. While I have no idea how much money he's pulling in for a film score, the amount he makes on touring and merchandise can't be small. And I also think NIN is a pretty mutable entity, especially live; if a future live show was just Trent, a piano, and maybe a few string or keyboard accompaniments, I'd still buy the shit out that ticket.

And y'know, if the only NIN release we get in the next few years is a four-song EP, I'm pretty okay with that provided the songs are good.

[Volband]

Why even have this conversation to begin with? Trent and Atticus have been showered with commercial acclaims for their non-NIN works for a decade now, so what kind of logic would suggest that this was supposed to be the last nail in NIN's coffin? Do you think Trent was shrugging off his previous awards (including a FUCKING OSCARS), but now that he got his second Oscars, he's like "oh shit, this score thingy may really take off!!!!!! I better stop doing NIN stuff!!!!" Do you think fucking Hollywood execs was blind to them before, but now that they got their second Academy Award, they are like "oh shit boss!! look at those guys! ever heard of them?!"

Come on now, don't be silly. Trent has always been very liberal with his breaks from NIN, so it's nothing new. We are not even in the most dire years of NIN production of its career.

Also, congrats guys!

[Erneuert]

Can't help but think the more recognition Trent and Atticus keep getting for their score work is just another nail in the Nine Inch Nails coffin. At this point NIN is already a side project and scoring is the main thing. Now more and more bigwig Hollywood studios are going to commission them for score work. Get ready for another 10 scores in the next 4 years and one four song NIN EP to tide us over in that same stretch

RIP NIN 1988-2021?

Lol.

relax.

[ryanmcfly]

You can always count on the certainties in life. Death, taxes, and certain people claiming that NIN is done every time they do a successful score.

[sonic_discord]

Can't help but think the more recognition Trent and Atticus keep getting for their score work is just another nail in the Nine Inch Nails coffin. At this point NIN is already a side project and scoring is the main thing. Now more and more bigwig Hollywood studios are going to commission them for score work. Get ready for another 10 scores in the next 4 years and one four song NIN EP to tide us over in that same stretch

RIP NIN 1988-2021?

LOL. Overly dramatic hot take!

I realize that I may be taking the bait here, but since there are a few people around here that share your hot take, I'd like to suggest the following: Perhaps the added recognition of another Oscar win (and all of the other awards Soul and Mank have reaped) will simply allow them to be offered better films to choose from, which will result in more rewarding scenarios (for them, as well as us) like The Social Network, Watchmen, and Soul. This could also in turn mean being involved in fewer less rewarding films like their experiences in Bird Box and Patriot's Day (that's not a knock on the great music they produced for those movies, just their not-so-great experiences of scoring for them). I think this may simply mean they will have the luxury going forward (more-so than they likely already did) of being able to pick and choose the projects that are best suited for them, or offer the most exciting creative challenges to them, which will yield better music. Sounds like a win-win for TR/AR and the fans to me!

[firewlker]

At this point I'm even more sure that NIN will still be releasing music as long as Trent is alive.

[ickyvicky]

I texted my mom last night that Trent won the award, and she wrote back, "Because he is so handsome."

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

For the record, I dig the scores. I just don't want to see NIN get swallowed up and tossed aside with the exception of a 4 song EP every 3 years to tide people over. Since 2018 we have had 8 scores released and 1 NIN EP....errr I mean a 30 minute "full length"......I am counting Ghosts 5 and 6 as film scores since thats obvious what they were (Woman In The Window/leftover songs from other projects, The Fourth Estate? etc)

[Toadflax]

I am counting Ghosts 5 and 6 as film scores

So even new NIN is only new NIN when you decide it is. Cool.

[cdm]

Periodic reminder that the ignore function is your friend...

[paul_guyet]

Nine Inch Nails isn't done until they release that fucking Sex Dwarf cover.

Fight me.

[sonic_discord]

Maybe the topic of their second Oscar win deserves it's own thread? Seems weird to be relegated to "Random NIN thoughts." Perhaps this conversation (which was relocated from NIN Spotting) could be moved to its own dedicated thread? Especially since it's going to be a hot topic this week...

[BRoswell]

The sky is always falling when you make it fall...

Anyway, congrats to TR/AR and Jon Batiste for the win. Feels like it was just yesterday that they announced the score for The Social Network. They grow up so fast!

[Prettybrokenspiral]

I'm thrilled they won, even if it was essentially a given the moment Soul became available and the hype started rolling out. It's easily my least favorite score they've done to date, by a mile, but any TR/AR music is going to be top shelf for the unabashed, diehard fanboy that is me..

As long as they keep releasing dark, challenging works like Bird Box, Ghosts V-VI, The Vietnam War, etc., it's just as well as new NIN to me at this point. The EP trilogy and its touring cycle was one hell of a ride from 2016-2018 and their desire to actively work on a new NIN album right now is exciting as all fuck..

Maybe this is just my warped sense of fan reality, but ever since the Wave Goodbye shows and their scoring career taking off after TSN, I've spent the last decade since the advent of HTDA and Hes Marks believing that NIN essentially disbanded, then re-emerged, and everything we get from him/them is a bonus. Something that maybe we weren't originally meant to have but wound up getting anyway..

I think that's why Hes Marks, the trilogy, and last year's Ghosts rank so highly with me: not because I'm an ardent fan, but because I don't take his releases for granted the same way I did when they were his primary vehicle. None of their scores -- save for Soul and Mank -- has sounded very far off from a NIN album to me anyway..

[tony.parente]

Hot take

I'd rather see a US tour that hits the markets NIN has been skipping since 2013 than have another record at this point. (if i had to choose between the two)

[fillow]

Hot take

I'd rather see a US tour that hits the markets NIN has been skipping since 2013 than have another record at this point. (if i had to choose between the two)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiqTzkrtP5g

[eversonpoe]

Why even have this conversation to begin with? Trent and Atticus have been showered with commercial acclaims for their non-NIN works for a decade now, so what kind of logic would suggest that this was supposed to be the last nail in NIN's coffin? Do you think Trent was shrugging off his previous awards (including a FUCKING OSCARS), but now that he got his second Oscars, he's like "oh shit, this score thingy may really take off!!!!!! I better stop doing NIN stuff!!!!" Do you think fucking Hollywood execs was blind to them before, but now that they got their second Academy Award, they are like "oh shit boss!! look at those guys! ever heard of them?!"

Come on now, don't be silly. Trent has always been very liberal with his breaks from NIN, so it's nothing new. We are not even in the most dire years of NIN production of its career.

Also, congrats guys!

always makes my day when we totally agree on something ;)

[Magnetic]

I want it all! Gimmie new album, gimmie tour with raging shaggy-haired Trent. Give it to me hard.

[Volband]

always makes my day when we totally agree on something ;)
This and similar situations irl always feel like some anime shit, like when someone really has to fuck it up to anger both Goku and Vegeta.

[scorpiusdiamond]

https://youtu.be/Qpj4gVQLmCQ

[AndItKeepsRepeating]

I get why there's new excitement over this headline and the "probably as soon as tomorrow" quote but.....do any of us really think he actually means what it looks like he does?

What I'm saying is, he knows exactly what he's saying, where he's saying it, and damn well what kind of headline it's going to make. But I sincerely doubt, in fact I'd bet there's ZERO CHANCE he hasn't already been working on new NIN .. at least in some capacity, even if it's just as little having ideas on what NIN would sound like going forward, and maybe a few of those ideas recorded.

Especially during the past year of not being able to tour like they clearly planned, or really do much of anything, at all, anywhere. Any band who isn't coming out of what 2020 turned out to be for all of us with at least something recorded, if not full songs/albums, or at least the ideas/structures for some, might as well not be a band.

It's not like he won a grammy and his first thought was "oh fuck, NIN!!! YEAH! I'm gonna do that tomorrow!"

[allegate]

well, uh, yeah? but there's also the idea of media training where you have to say things a certain way to make headlines a certain way and I'm sure that by now he knows how to do that thing that certain way. This isn't 'soon'.

I mean, I hope this isn't 'soon', I'll admit that. But still.

[zecho]

Furthermore Rock as a genre is barely hanging on and is so outside of the culture now.

This may not be the right thread to start talking about this, but I hear this a lot and genuinely don't get it. Is rock really so unpopular? I mean, in the age of the internet and memes and shit, nothing will ever be as popular as shit that goes viral on tiktok or what have you, but I mean, rock is still where it's been for most of my life. I don't think you could go to a single college campus in America where 99% of the student body didn't listen to Tame Impala or HAIM or something.

So when people say that rock is dead or whatever, do they mean a super specific style of rock? I guess super aggressive 90s - 00s rock is mostly dead, but that's a really narrow view of what rock is. For example, you could say HAIM isn't rock, but then what are they? Funk-pop? Is that a thing? If we were talking about classic rock bands, would Talking Heads have a place in the conversation? Are Pink Floyd a rock band? They don't really sound anything like Chuck Berry to me. Honestly, I'm not sure you could classify half of the NIN discography as rock music. Pretty Hate Machine, The Downward Spiral, The Fragile, Year Zero, half of The Slip, Hesitation Marks, and all of the Ghosts albums don't really fit the "rock" idea to me.

On top of all that, the current trends in hip hop are more rock than they've ever been. Denzel Curry, BROCKHAMPTON and the like. I don't think rock has really gone anywhere, it's just the concept of rock you grew up with that's gone, just like the concept of rock your parents grew up with was gone when you were young. I was born in the 90s, so by the time I really started figuring out my tastes musically, the 2000s had already started and pop and hip hop were the top of the charts, and that's how it's been for 20 years now. I don't really remember where I was going with this, but I hope there's a nugget of coherency in here somewhere. I'm deliriously sleepy. Goodnight, y'all.

[Magnetic]

I get why there's new excitement over this headline and the "probably as soon as tomorrow" quote but.....do any of us really think he actually means what it looks like he does?

What I'm saying is, he knows exactly what he's saying, where he's saying it, and damn well what kind of headline it's going to make. But I sincerely doubt, in fact I'd bet there's ZERO CHANCE he hasn't already been working on new NIN .. at least in some capacity, even if it's just as little having ideas on what NIN would sound like going forward, and maybe a few of those ideas recorded.

Especially during the past year of not being able to tour like they clearly planned, or really do much of anything, at all, anywhere. Any band who isn't coming out of what 2020 turned out to be for all of us with at least something recorded, if not full songs/albums, or at least the ideas/structures for some, might as well not be a band.

It's not like he won a grammy and his first thought was "oh fuck, NIN!!! YEAH! I'm gonna do that tomorrow!"

Eh, I don't get all the hyper reaction to this. I think his response to the interview was a non-committal "hey, NIN isn't dead, we're feeling refreshed and it's next on our list." I think it was an unveiled message to NIN fans of "chill the f--k out, we're getting to that."

It sounds weird, but seeing TR's involvement with the Bowie tribute, the quarantine shaggy hair... the confidence he's exuding lately... I'm hoping there's going to be some amazing, balls-to-the-wall NIN coming out soon. I'm waiting patiently for "soon." I want some amazeballz vocals and music. If it drops end of 2021 or early 2022...FINE... so be it. I'm ok with a 2022 tour....but make it a damn good one. And make the music release in 2021 to whet our appetite.

[nooneimportant]

Here's an idea for Trent, if he performs That's What I Get again and wants to avoid the cheesy "After you just taught me how to kiss you" lyric he can just replace it with "After you just taught me how to fist you" to keep the NIN vibe strong.

[Erneuert]

Here's an idea for Trent, if he performs That's What I Get again and wants to avoid the cheesy "After you just taught me how to kiss you" lyric he can just replace it with "After you just taught me how to fist you" to keep the NIN vibe strong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3o6Magi8P4 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H3o6Magi8P4)

[NIN64]

I really want a Purest Feeling vinyl bootleg...

[Jazzkokehead]

I hope Trent sees it fit to release The Fragile 5.1 mix some day. Granted, he seems less into the idea than he did in the mid-2000s when we got The Downward Spiral and With Teeth in surround, but we know he's worked on it - he Tweeted about working on with Alan Moulder back in 2009 or, I believe. So it's not exactly a pipe dream. I don't honestly believe we'll ever see it at this point, but as a fan of the format, I'd like to dream.

[variablebitrate]

I hope Trent sees it fit to release The Fragile 5.1 mix some day. Granted, he seems less into the idea than he did in the mid-2000s when we got The Downward Spiral and With Teeth in surround, but we know he's worked on it - he Tweeted about working on with Alan Moulder back in 2009 or, I believe. So it's not exactly a pipe dream. I don't honestly believe we'll ever see it at this point, but as a fan of the format, I'd like to dream.

Part of me feels like never say never with this, mainly because of the tease at the end of the post when The Social Network was released in Dolby Atmos on Amazon HD. It seemed like a knowing wink and nod to the fact that people know a multichannel Fragile exists and want it. Maybe I’m putting too much stock in nothing, but why mention it otherwise?

Post in question, btw: https://www.nin.com/the-social-network-released-in-dolby-atmos-3d-audio/

[Jazzkokehead]

Part of me feels like never say never with this, mainly because of the tease at the end of the post when The Social Network was released in Dolby Atmos on Amazon HD. It seemed like a knowing wink and nod to the fact that people know a multichannel Fragile exists and want it. Maybe I’m putting too much stock in nothing, but why mention it otherwise?

I hope you're right. Ironically - the only version of The Social Network soundtrack I own is that original 5.1 Blu-ray release.

[allegate]

Part of me feels like never say never with this, mainly because of the tease at the end of the post when The Social Network was released in Dolby Atmos on Amazon HD. It seemed like a knowing wink and nod to the fact that people know a multichannel Fragile exists and want it. Maybe I’m putting too much stock in nothing, but why mention it otherwise?

Post in question, btw: https://www.nin.com/the-social-network-released-in-dolby-atmos-3d-audio/
I was already looking at getting rid of my receiver. it's a decade-plus old and every single thing we watch over HDMI has a huge sibilant problem and this is after changing the entire speaker system. On top of that I set up the night mode and still everything has huge swings.

[ghostaustin]

how do you all listen to NIN in 5.1? Are those versions available for streaming? Do you need to own an SACD?

[allegate]

I have the DVDA/SACD/BD versions of what is available. Maybe there's a version on YouTube for streaming? I've seen a couple albums on there in 5.1 so it's possible.

[fillow]

I'd love NIN to play Sunday Bloody Sunday live with Saul Williams

[allegate]

OH man, now that's an album - hell, an artist - I've not listened to in a long time and I need to fix that.

[ekrekel]

how do you all listen to NIN in 5.1? Are those versions available for streaming? Do you need to own an SACD?

My Acura plays the WT and TDS dualdisc DVD-A.

[blassster]

how do you all listen to NIN in 5.1? Are those versions available for streaming? Do you need to own an SACD?The best way to hear them is to acquire ISOs of the dead DVD-A and SACD formats, preferably the DVD-A, and rip them to WAV. The SACD format is a mess.

Your device would need to connect to the receiver via HDMI to play the lossless audio in surround. Direct via a PC or device hosting a USB drive/burned disc with the WAV files.

A BD boxset of the main albums in surround would be sick, hopefully they do something official in a good format someday.

[allegate]

My Acura plays the WT and TDS dualdisc DVD-A.
Oh right, there were some high-end card that came with DVDa players. I seem to recall one version that had a center channel built in to the player.

[eversonpoe]

Oh right, there were some high-end card that came with DVDa players. I seem to recall one version that had a center channel built in to the player.

the problem with that is that the only person who would be in the "sweet spot" would be the middle seat passenger in the back, and then the front L+R channels are going to be partially blocked by the seats (and the bodies in them). a car is not an ideal place for a 5.1 system (not to mention the engine noise and the sounds of being out on the road). but i guess it's an interesting novelty? i would find myself so distracted while driving, though, paying too much attention to the spacial distribution of sounds instead of, y'know, driving.

[allegate]

On this, the birthday for The Slip, I wonder again at where this remix (https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgzCS8bDPpX3nTcNaEvaAw7EVCNf) came from.

[Callahan]

On this, the birthday for The Slip, I wonder again at where this remix (https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgzCS8bDPpX3nTcNaEvaAw7EVCNf) came from.

Possibly a fan mix that was on remix.nin.com at the time?? Or are you thinking there’s more legitimacy to it?

[Jazzkokehead]

how do you all listen to NIN in 5.1? Are those versions available for streaming? Do you need to own an SACD?

The 10th anniversary edition of TDS was released on SACD and DVD-A, with the remixed stereo audio in hi-res and 5.1 mixes. WT was released on DVD-A, again with hi-res stereo and 5.1. I don't think there's much out there that will properly play the hi-res audio from a DVD-A (unless you're using hardware that explicitly supports DVD-A, which is pretty uncommon nowadays, and wasn't even common in the mid-2000s), though you can play the regular Dolby stereo and 5.1 mixes on pretty much anything that plays regular DVDs, and unless you have super-high end equipment, you probably won't notice much difference in quality. If you have a PC with a disc drive, there's a specialized program that will rip the DVD-A audio to WAV, and it's not complex at all to use.

I should also point out that TDS and WT were DualDisc releases, which meant one side of the disc was the CD version of the album, and if you flipped the disc over it was the DVD-A version.

The Social Network was released on Blu-ray with a 5.1 mix back in 2011. The Ghosts I-IV deluxe editions came with the album on Blu-ray as well, but that was just hi-res stereo audio, no 5.1 mix unfortunately.

[Reaps]

On this, the birthday for The Slip, I wonder again at where this remix (https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgzCS8bDPpX3nTcNaEvaAw7EVCNf) came from.

Fan mix, one of my early ones.. I didn't attach my name to it because it's a bit poor. Best avoid.

[allegate]

oh good, mystery solved. I had no idea where it came from when I found it on my external hard drives when I was cleaning them up over the summer.

I like it...

also, since we're talking about 5.1 here's the link to the thread on 5.1 surround music (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/3688-5-1-surround-music?highlight=surround+music).

[fillow]

The Nine Inch Nails performing live with Dr Manhattan on bass guitar (2013, colorized)

http://misakyan.com/files/nin-tension-2013_panels_3.jpg

[sweeterthan]

new music with vocals + shows announced. is this real life?

[Reaps]

new music with vocals + shows announced. is this real life?
I pledged my allegiance in the early 90's and the rewards keep on coming. It's hard to believe to be honest. Hope they come to the UK soon..

[acrid avid jam shred]

Broken sounds amazing on vinyl! Just picked it up from my local record shop and nearly 30 years on, it still sounds like it could come out today and blow everyone's minds. It doesn't sound dated at all. Wish and Last are absolutely massive through speakers, and the bonus seven inch with Suck and Physical is awesome too.

[BRoswell]

Twenty minutes in, and it's pretty interesting. He's opening up in a nice way that's different from most of the standard interviews he does.

EDIT: It's funny listening to Trent say "Not to go off on a tangent..." several times and the host actually encouraging him to go off on a tangent. I imagine after many, many, many interviews over the years, you have to train yourself to stay on topic, so it's nice that he's getting to talk about some stuff at length that he might otherwise condense or leave out in a typical interview.

[Tom]

Very good interview - not much in way of surprises or new information, but nice to hear TR sounding relaxed and off guard.

[magnolia]

The ep w/ T Rez is out today: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4iyBrxjD8W9ko3xC7fEBVc?si=3434b9b0a2bf463b

Looking forward to listening shortly. HOLD MY CALLS!

Lol "you might hate it now... but give it 10 years"
That's one of the best interviews he's given in recent years, in my opinion. He did seem to open up more than he usually does.

[otnavuskire]

"In my mind there's another Fragile type album. Not the sound of it, but the scope of it."

Count me in! Unfortunately he goes on to say he can't bring himself to devote the amount of time it would take to do that right now though.

[sonic_discord]

I agree that this was really fun to listen to and that it was nice and refreshing to hear Trent just having a conversation with someone for so long and not sort of relying on the almost scripted type of answers he often gives in interviews promoting his score work. I understand the need for "prepared" answers that are more concise like that, especially in that context, but his longer, more elaborate thoughts and answers to her great questions here made for a highly interesting and engaging listen! Thanks again for posting this and reminding us about it, WorzelG and cdm

[scorpiusdiamond]

Trent briefly mentioned his daughter being sick last year, and as a father of a daughter that suddenly kicked me in the throat.

For someone I feel is so far removed from me (I never want to meet him, I can only feel like it would be a disaster for me) it felt so strange to have a sudden connection to him in that way…

[WorzelG]

I agree that this was really fun to listen to and that it was nice and refreshing to hear Trent just having a conversation with someone for so long and not sort of relying on the almost scripted type of answers he often gives in interviews promoting his score work. I understand the need for "prepared" answers that are more concise like that, especially in that context, but his longer, more elaborate thoughts and answers to her great questions here made for a highly interesting and engaging listen! Thanks again for posting this and reminding us about it, @WorzelG (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=811) and @cdm (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=3012)
He still managed to get in the bit about ‘when I were a lad we listened to albums, not like these young folk’ ha ha.

when she asked about projects that were rejected or failed I was hoping he’d talk about the Year Zero HBO series

[BRoswell]

Revolver did an oopsie in their latest email...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210513/d3d06aed3714f62a5cd69eb71f4c8d27.jpg

Oh! I've seen this porno. It's a good one.

[cdm]

Oh! I've seen this porno. It's a good one.

Is very sveaty.

[DVYDRNS]

Louder than life looks like a Fresno radio station.

[eachpassingphase]

Louder than life looks like a Fresno radio station.

Tickets come with a free can of Skoal and Monster Energy Drinks.

[DVYDRNS]

and a watermelon vape cartridge.

[sonic_discord]

These lists are always kinda dumb, but NIN is on it.

https://www.loudersound.com/features/best-metal-songs-21st-century/

Sigh... Of all great NIN songs they could have put on that list...

[otnavuskire]

Sigh... Of all great NIN songs they could have put on that list...

Yeah. It's probably the most well known NIN song of the 21st century though, so it makes sense that they chose that one.

[Thor]

I have been giving in to nostalgia recently... So I decided to search for the first NIN show (and sadly, the only one so far) I attended and I just find out that ALL the songs from that night are avaliable to download in the NIN Live Archive. I remeber searching this same show some years ago but I couldn't find any good videos, and even less all the setlist in a decent quality. Bruh... I cannot describe the mix of nostalgia and excitment that I feel hearing the recording of a show in which I was screaming my lungs out (and might have shed some tears too) seven years ago...

Anyways, just wanted to say that I love this community, and the devotion some fans put to preserve such things as an archive of live shows. All because we love the this music. <3

[Indefinite_Cure]

Yeah. It's probably the most well known NIN song of the 21st century though, so it makes sense that they chose that one.
But somehow, they are talking about an early demo version from it made in 2000. *smh*, these lists really...

[ekrekel]

I have been giving in to nostalgia recently... So I decided to search for the first NIN show (and sadly, the only one so far) I attended and I just find out that ALL the songs from that night are avaliable to download in the NIN Live Archive. I remeber searching this same show some years ago but I couldn't find any good videos, and even less all the setlist in a decent quality. Bruh... I cannot describe the mix of nostalgia and excitment that I feel hearing the recording of a show in which I was screaming my lungs out (and might have shed some tears too) seven years ago...

Anyways, just wanted to say that I love this community, and the devotion some fans put to preserve such things as an archive of live shows. All because we love the this music. <3

Did the same a few years ago, went looking for the setlist and wound up with a solid taping for all but 2 of my shows.

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/390410_520481281298828_1005316257_n.jpg?_nc_cat=10 4&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=psDa8mUG4gsAX9Hq9lF&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=c44dd6256bc018d0c62828043ce38ba0&oe=60CACEA8
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FFlightOfTheCo nchordsMemes%2Fphotos%2Fcredit-admin-2%2F520481281298828%2F&psig=AOvVaw2d_iE8e3FWDRFgiefdIyib&ust=1621461636023000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCPDpjrmd1PACFQAAAAAdAAAAABAO

[allegate]

In for one, thanks for the link!

[caca]

'Supernaut' gets a repress, includes TR's vocal take:

https://ministryband.bandcamp.com/album/1000-homo-djs-supernaut

Good looking out! Just grabbed one.

[nmitchell86]

Missed the bandcamp release but got the CD and Vinyl on Amazon. If you don't want me to support corpo then make more available on the indi sites.

[fillow]

I'm not sure which version is on what release, but IMO it was always super easy to tell Trent from Al on Supernaut.

[MrLobster]

So... I have the the 1991 1000 Homo DJ's vinyl release and the WaxTrax BlackBox compilation... they sound the same to me (but the '91 vinyl is much, much louder/punchier than the '94 CD).

I might guess that the Al only vocals is sourced from the 2001 Greatest Hits collection... because that does sound different to me.

As I understood the story, so... Trent and Al are fucking around with 1000 Homo DJ's to kill some time (and laying the foundations for what would become Broken) while at the same time, TVT was forbidding Trent from releasing stuff. So professionally, they (Trent and Al) decided to just straight up lie about who did the vocals when they released it initially, saying it was Als when in reality it was Trents (and a careful listening, I think, reveals that quite clearly) to avoid any legal issues with TVT. Not much of a mystery beyond that and Al re-editing/recording it for the 2001 Greatest Fits to help keep the rights in his hands.

[fillow]

Ministry's Trax Box box set has both versions so you can easily compare the two.
CD6 (which mirrors earlier compilation Side Trax) has Al's vocals. Supposedly it's the version from Supernaut EP
CD7 (labeled 'Rarities') has Trent's version from Black Box

As soon as they reach 'and touch the sky...' line, you can tell the difference as they bend the high notes in different ways

Greatest Fits version is undoubtedly Al, but it's hard to say if it's the same vocal take (I think it is), or rerecorded one, because the whole track was remixed to sound more like 90s Ministry

[MrLobster]

Not going to pretend I have even the slightest clue about NFTs, but here is a 3D Trent one.

FUCK NFT'S RIGHT OFF THIS PLANET. (I feel better now)

Uses more energy than bitcoin mining and you don't get ownership in any sort of traditional sense... but, here, have a URL you can use to look at the non-thing.

[sonic_discord]

I have audio recordings (and a VHS video of my first show on the Fragility v2.0 tour) of every NIN show I've attended so far, which is only 9 shows (soon to be 12 after Riot Fest and Cleveland!), but still very cool to have them all documented. I got one or two of them from torrent sites like Demonoid or The Pirate Bay, but most have come from NIN Live Archive, which is such an amazing resource for fans.

[paul_guyet]

FUCK NFT'S RIGHT OFF THIS PLANET. (I feel better now)

Uses more energy than bitcoin mining and you don't get ownership in any sort of traditional sense... but, here, have a URL you can use to look at the non-thing.What, you don't want a blurry image of Trent getting a prostate exam for $40,000?

[elevenism]

I hope this new NIN record is fucking amazing.
I've had a hard time getting into records in general, the older i get.

Those of you in your twenties and early thirties, just wait.

It's not that the MUSIC is bad. Rather, it's gotta be INTENSE, in some way, to shake things up.

The trilogy did that, but not quite enough. I need more.

And don't tell me "it did too!" if you're under 37.

[Lastentrance]

Not going to pretend I have even the slightest clue about NFTs, but here is a 3D Trent one.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ChcZDhqwRnp907KbBtXKFKOEN63TUIx82rr1KKv1ttr-Z0xzfbdSEri3etjSS574CK5kf8U89xy1kt-i36Y4tnI2LSELPzu8-c-6

1390446010502029313

Shame on Steve Rose. This is soulless.

[botley]

The slave thinks he is released from bondage only to find a stronger Blockchain...

[Max]

I hope this new NIN record is fucking amazing.
I've had a hard time getting into records in general, the older i get.

Those of you in your twenties and early thirties, just wait.

It's not that the MUSIC is bad. Rather, it's gotta be INTENSE, in some way, to shake things up.

The trilogy did that, but not quite enough. I need more.

And don't tell me "it did too!" if you're under 37.

I'm in my 40's, and I have to say that nothing has really changed since we were growing up. The best music is mostly a little underground, you have to look for it, but there is still SO much being made. Honestly, my biggest problem is not having enough time to listen to all the fantastic music I am finding.
Here's a list of what artists make me excited that has come out in the past few years...

Alessandro Cortini
Chino Amobi
Colin Stetson
Dry Cleaning
Empress Han
Hainbach
Health
Moor Mother
Mogwai
Negative Scanner
Pan Daijing
Radiohead
Run The Jewels
S U R V I V E
Saul Williams
Thao and the Get Down Stay Down
Tool

There is SO much amazing music happening. Really innovative stuff that's not just a derivative retread. I think we have a bias towards the stuff we grew up with, which is fine, but there is music still being made by artists young and old that is just as amazing as anything we came up with.

[elevenism]

I'm in my 40's, and I have to say that nothing has really changed since we were growing up. The best music is mostly a little underground, you have to look for it, but there is still SO much being made. Honestly, my biggest problem is not having enough time to listen to all the fantastic music I am finding...

YOU are a statistical anomaly. I envy that it's like that for you.

Here is a list of music that's excited ME enough to get the album in the past few years, that weren't new records by bands I already liked.

100 Gecs
Ghostemane
Chance the Rapper

[fillow]

Honestly, my biggest problem is not having enough time to listen to all the fantastic music I am finding.

100% THIS
And I'm not even looking for any new music anymore at this point. I already have massive backlog of bands with ridiculously huge discographies that I've yet to dive into. Same with books and movies.

[EvilGobi]

I'm in my 40's, and I have to say that nothing has really changed since we were growing up. The best music is mostly a little underground, you have to look for it, but there is still SO much being made. Honestly, my biggest problem is not having enough time to listen to all the fantastic music I am finding.
Here's a list of what artists make me excited that has come out in the past few years...

Alessandro Cortini
Chino Amobi
Colin Stetson
Dry Cleaning
Empress Han
Hainbach
Health
Moor Mother
Mogwai
Negative Scanner
Pan Daijing
Radiohead
Run The Jewels
S U R V I V E
Saul Williams
Thao and the Get Down Stay Down
Tool

There is SO much amazing music happening. Really innovative stuff that's not just a derivative retread. I think we have a bias towards the stuff we grew up with, which is fine, but there is music still being made by artists young and old that is just as amazing as anything we came up with.

Yeah Im turning 40 next week and (maybe it’s just because I did some music promotion pre-end-times) that I also feel like I still discover a lot of new music. My list is more like:

garbageface
Femur
Dopethrone
The Faps
Cross Dog
Angry Spells
Werewolves
Royal Blood
Gym Tonic
Fucked Up (I know theyve been around for years, but its the new album that did it for me)
and even some poppier things like St Vincent and Kesha

[Vorticanteven]

So I got a new (used) car a week or so ago and after some messing around with the equalizer it's passed the NIN music test. At first all the songs sounded really tinny, but after I adjusted the bass I was like, "I can keep this car" lol. The remixed/remastered PHM sounds especially great.

[Max]

The Background World - maybe this has been brought up before, but the Background World HAS to be referencing The Disintegration Loops. If you haven't listened to it, check it out. It is very powerful and the story about its creation is very interesting too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjnAE5go9dI&list=PL0Mzaq-b13Fobbrt-AK_6B7McG13dpnq3

[imail724]

I've owned the TDS and WT dual discs since they came out, but for whatever reason I've never actually listened to the surround mixes. Today I upgraded my rear speakers and decided to finally checkout TDS in 5.1 and holy shit this is crazy! Feels like I'm listening to a completely different album. Can't wait to check out WT next!

[botley]

I wonder now that Apple Music is doing Dolby Atmos if they're going to go back and "upgrade" those mixes, too.

[imail724]

I wonder now that Apple Music is doing Dolby Atmos if they're going to go back and "upgrade" those mixes, too.I hope not. Not because I wouldn't love to hear them, but because I don't want to feel compelled to upgrade my 5.1 system to Atmos!

[allegate]

Is Trent still employed there? Might be an impetus to get that 5.1 Fragile out there.

[BRoswell]

I imagine that Trent doesn't have the patience to deal with someone like Stern these days (if he ever did). Stern is always talking over his guests and trying to goad them into talking shit about other people. The recent podcast episode he did was a perfect setting for him to actually provide some insight and get introspective, and it was incredibly refreshing to get to hear him speak so candidly. There's no way in hell something like that would happen on Stern. He might as well be a gossip magazine.

[piggy]

TR hasn't been with Apple for a few years now.

[botley]

Yeah, I wasn't implying he had a specific employee / employer type incentive to do it, just that as a format Atmos music is becoming more widespread — as of next month, three of the top streaming platforms (Apple, Tidal, and Amazon) will support it, and rumour is that Spotify will be adding it in the next few months, too. #DolbyAtmos2021

They've mentioned doing The Fragile in Atmos next, and The Social Network is already out in that format on Amazon Music, so it seems logical to keep the ball rolling (after they finish the Definitive Edition vinyl reissues, naturally). I could see a "hooray, we finally completed the DE rollout!" day where they simultaneously drop the DE remasters of Broken, The Downward Spiral, The Fragile, With Teeth, and as-yet-unreleased And All That Could Have Been: Live & Still and Year Zero remasters on streaming, at the same time as new Atmos mixes.

[botley]

Marc Maron is pretty great. I'd listen to that. But fillow is probably right about there not being an opportunity for a lot of new stories to be told.

My sense after all of these years is that Trent Reznor is an extremely private person who prefers not to reveal a lot about his personal life outside of his lyrics. The best we are going to get is to hear about the creative process and that was happening a lot in this recent podcast.
I like Maron's podcast, and the intersection of addiction/recovery as it applies to the creative process is something they could talk about in more depth. But yeah, TR's covered that, and covered it again. Would perhaps be more interesting to hear Maron speak to both Trent & Atticus at once, in person, as I think he could get a few novel stories but also respect his guests' boundaries (unlike Stern, who tends to deliberately walk all over them for a cheap laugh). However, Maron also interviewed Brian Warner a few years back, who implied he had 'patched things up' with Reznor (though Warner was clearly drunk throughout the interview), so maybe that's a sticking point.

[allegate]

Oh yeah, all of it is coming “soon”. ;)

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

That Brian Warner guy was also on Stern in 2017 saying how he had made friends with TR again and how they were talking and TR gave him the masters back for ACSS so their clearly was a brief renewel of their friendship that didn't last long

Maron only has guests on that he is interested in and knows something about so I am sure he could give a shit about Atticus. Plus he would want to go in depth with TR about addiction issues, and if Atticus is sitting right next to him, it would hard for Maron to dig in.

At this point Joe Rogan is the bottom of the sewer (yet Maynard seems to love him). A Stern interview with TR would most likely regurgitate stuff we have already heard but would still be a lot better than TR sitting in with meathead jock boy Rogan listening to him talk about conspiracy theories

[Erneuert]

At this point in time and technology TR should just get members of ETS to interview him. The community it smart, knows the right questions to ask and what questions to avoid.

[TheBang]

At this point in time and technology TR should just get members of ETS to interview him. The community it smart, knows the right questions to ask and what questions to avoid.
He already did a fan interview back in 2009: https://www.theninhotline.com/news/permalink/1241622817

[Erneuert]

He already did a fan interview back in 2009: https://www.theninhotline.com/news/permalink/1241622817

Oh yeah, I mean on a more regular basis. Say, once every three months with us or so.

[fillow]

At this point in time and technology TR should just get members of ETS to interview him. The community it smart, knows the right questions to ask and what questions to avoid.
You realize this community really only cares about three things, right?

1. Tapeworm?
2. Tension film when?
3. Why don't you ever play The Perfect Drug Everything live?

[Erneuert]

You realize this community really only cares about three things, right?

1. Tapeworm?
2. Tension film when?
3. Why don't you ever play The Perfect Drug Everything live?

4. With Teeth expanded edition with essay
5. Those With Teeth demos that surfaced not long ago we need more info about
6. A final definitive answer on the sample in A Warm Place!

[azad_ninja]

You should switch that to "The ETS community only cares about 1 thing, and it's disgusting!" lol


You realize this community really only cares about three things, right?

1. Tapeworm?
2. Tension film when?
3. Why don't you ever play The Perfect Drug Everything live?

[BRoswell]

The community it smart, knows the right questions to ask and what questions to avoid.

Unfortunately, we're also the ones who already know the answers to most of those questions.

Oh. Right. NIN spotting. Charlie Clouser was interviewed for the new Saw Blu-ray, and he briefly mentions that the filmmakers used his remixes in their temp score for the film. Nothing new if you're familiar with the film, but I would love to watch the film with some of those remixes in place. I remember reading that Screaming Slave was used at one point in an early cut, but I can't find that info anymore.

[Erneuert]

Unfortunately, we're also the ones who already know the answers to most of those questions.

Oh. Right. NIN spotting. Charlie Clouser was interviewed for the new Saw Blu-ray, and he briefly mentions that the filmmakers used his remixes in their temp score for the film. Nothing new if you're familiar with the film, but I would love to watch the film with some of those remixes in place. I remember reading that Screaming Slave was used at one point in an early cut, but I can't find that info anymore.

On the contrary, and piggy will testify, there are so many facts we don’t have definitive answers to that would expand the ninwiki substantially if we had official word on things. I’d be fascinated to learn many of them!

[sonic_discord]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/ni2lk0/bad_witch_instrumentals/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Really strange post on Reddit. Pretty random for sure.

It's been taken down, so I can't see the original post, but what was strange about it? Did anyone from here reach out to the guy to see if we could get copies of the instrumentals?

[Max]

4. With Teeth expanded edition with essay
5. Those With Teeth demos that surfaced not long ago we need more info about
6. A final definitive answer on the sample in A Warm Place!
7. The rest of the "coming soon" definitive edition vinyls.
8. "Well actually..." disputes.

[allegro]

Oh yeah, I mean on a more regular basis. Say, once every three months with us or so.

I was on the 2009 ETS committee to come up with questions, along with Leviathant and about 4-5 others I can’t remember. It was actually more difficult than you think coming up with interesting questions.

Note that, from what I remember, there were several small groups; one small ETS group and several small NIN.com forum groups, which all submitted narrowed-down questions, which were further narrowed down by the NIN.com forum.

Of course, the NIN.com questions were the dumbest.

Some of the funniest or best questions / answers have been posted here on ETS, randomly, and answered here; e.g. what does lab work mean? Or what is that stuff you’re drinking onstage?

[Thor]

Last night I did a relisten of the Song Explorer episode of The Lovers. Sometimes I forget that Atticus has a nice/peculiar voice... Made me think that it would be really cool if he ever singed in a NIN song. Like, imagine we get news of a new song coming out and when we go to listen to it the first verse is Atticus singing, then Trent comes in... That would be a really pleasant surprise.

[Erneuert]

Last night I did a relisten of the Song Explorer episode of The Lovers. Sometimes I forget that Atticus has a nice/peculiar voice... Made me think that it would be really cool if he ever singed in a NIN song. Like, imagine we get news of a new song coming out and when we go to listen to it the first verse is Atticus singing, then Trent comes in... That would be a really pleasant surprise.

I would actually be really surprised if that didn’t happen with the next NIN release, since they’ve talked about collaboration, and the fact that AR pushed TR out of his comfort zone with Bad Witch to sing with that Bowie-tone and the use of the saxophone. It’s TR’s turn to push Atticus out of his comfort zone and deliver a NIN vocal!

[Thor]

I would actually be really surprised if that didn’t happen with the next NIN release, since they’ve talked about collaboration, and the fact that AR pushed TR out of his comfort zone with Bad Witch to sing with that Bowie-tone and the use of the saxophone. It’s TR’s turn to push Atticus out of his comfort zone and deliver a NIN vocal!

Somthing tells me that Atticus won't give in so easly... but I can definetly see Trent pushing him to do it. Like, let's see this thing being a duo in every sense possible. (Also, we need more of that sax!!!)

[Erneuert]

I’m most interested about intricate song samples and mysteries we haven’t had definitive answers to in years. Like the reasons why certain promo singles were given duplicate halo numbers. What that sound is in The Wretched. What that other sound is in Shit Mirror. What certain elements of album art mean and how The Idea of You ties back into With Teeth ideas. What his ultimate plan was with the additional WT lyric poster songs since The Warning eventually became the YZ Warning. Why Into The Void wasn’t given a halo number.

And these are just off the top of my head. I’m sure I could list a few dozen more that have gnawed away at me/us for years. The EDIETS + TDTWWA videos. More elaboration on those and how they would’ve looked. Why certain songs haven’t been played live.

Man, sit TR in front of me on Zoom and I’ll make it the most informative interview in the history of interviews!

[fillow]

Atticus doesn't even sing any regular backing vocals live. I don't think he's gonna sing lead.

[fillow]

It's been taken down, so I can't see the original post, but what was strange about it? Did anyone from here reach out to the guy to see if we could get copies of the instrumentals?

Well if he really wanted to share, he would. His post went something like this: 'hmm i forgot I had these Bad Witch instrumentals for years LOL! what should i do with these LOL hmm'
I dunno what he really expected starting a conversation the way he did. Money offer?
He did post a short sample of Ahead of Ourselves - the chorus part where TR sings 'obsolete insignificant' but with no vocals.

[Erneuert]

Well if he really wanted to share, he would. His post went something like this: 'hmm i forgot I had these Bad Witch instrumentals for years LOL! what should i do with these LOL hmm'
I dunno what he really expected starting a conversation the way he did. Money offer?
He did post a short sample of Ahead of Ourselves - the chorus part where TR sings 'obsolete insignificant' but with no vocals.

Yeah, instrumentals for NTAE and AV have also appeared on eBay for crazily high prices. Unfortunately these things always somehow manage to end up in the hands of people who have no idea of the concept of utilitarianism. TR should be made aware these acetates exist and just share all the instrumentals with us online to quash these hoarding idiots.

[dlb]

Wow, so the O2 London show I've been to was 7 years ago now past weekend... I feel old, and the need to see NIN live again! That was a great week back then, first Berlin, then jumping over to the UK. Next European Tour will see me catching as many dates as possible. It will be expensive, but it will be worth it!

[Erneuert]

Atticus doesn't even sing any regular backing vocals live. I don't think he's gonna sing lead.

You never know in this life!

[sonic_discord]

I was on the 2009 ETS committee to come up with questions, along with @Leviathant (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1) and about 4-5 others I can’t remember. It was actually more difficult than you think coming up with interesting questions.

Note that, from what I remember, there were several small groups; one small ETS group and several small NIN.com forum groups, which all submitted narrowed-down questions, which were further narrowed down by the NIN.com forum.

Of course, the NIN.com questions were the dumbest.

Some of the funniest or best questions / answers have been posted here on ETS, randomly, and answered here; e.g. what does lab work mean? Or what is that stuff you’re drinking onstage?

If this ever happens again, I'd love to be involved. I could definitely come up with some great questions and things we've always wondered about, without probing into territory that's too personal or things that have already been talked about ad nauseam.

[Erneuert]

If this ever happens again, I'd love to be involved. I could definitely come up with some great questions and things we've always wondered about, without probing into territory that's too personal or things that have already been talked about ad nauseam.

Let’s team up!

The first thing we definitely need to clear up is cocksucking chicken wing and Schizophreniasdiary.

[allegate]

It's been taken down, so I can't see the original post, but what was strange about it? Did anyone from here reach out to the guy to see if we could get copies of the instrumentals?
he was being coy about it, like he shouldn't have had the instrumentals or something, and his responses were annoying a lot of people. Mostly because they were ;) responses to the questions of "how do you have these" and "how are you going to share them".

[sonic_discord]

Let’s team up!

The first thing we definitely need to clear up is cocksucking chicken wing and Schizophreniasdiary.

One of the first things I'd ask about right now (and perhaps they couldn't legally confirm it was the case) would be "Was any of the music in Ghosts V and VI originally meant/created for the score for The Woman in the Window?" Many people on ETS have speculated this to be the case (and they may be right), but it would be nice to have an official confirmation on this and maybe hear more about the decision to repurpose the music and if they changed or evolved it between pulling out of scoring the movie and releasing it under NIN.

It would be nice to know if the song titles for Quake were always official (whether named by Trent or the id Software staff) or if he just "went with" the (fan made?) titles that have been floating around the internet for decades.

I'd also like to know if there's any chance we could ever hear the songs they created during the initial sessions for Bad Witch, before starting over. Maybe bonus tracks for an eventual deluxe package that finally combines all of the "trilogy" EPs into one album (perhaps with a new sequence?).

Finally, I've noticed since Year Zero that they rarely make (or at least release) traditional music videos anymore. There have really only been two music videos in the past decade (Came Back Haunted and Less Than), unless you count the "performance" videos for The Lovers and Ahead of Ourselves (I think these are better than the aforementioned videos anyway, so I'd be happy with them continuing to make videos like this going forward). For a band that has some of the most amazing conceptual music videos ever (looking at you, Closer and The Perfect Drug!), I'd like to hear Trent's thoughts on why they seemingly don't care to make videos anymore. I think it would be nice to see a cool new music video that they put some money into, but with Trent's track record of being disappointed by videos and shelving them, I'm sure he's hesitant to invest too much into them these days. Maybe I answered my own question there, but I'd like to hear his thoughts on the matter.

[fillow]

Finally, I've noticed since Year Zero that they rarely make (or at least release) traditional music videos anymore.

TR sort of answered this long ago, way before Year Zero. Said he didn't like the music videos as a form from the very start and they were doing them because record companies wanted it and paid for them too (and NIN in turn tried to make them as cool/weird as possible). Notice how NIN also basically stopped making Halo/CD singles after YZ (read: after leaving Interscope)

[allegate]

TR sort of answered this long ago, way before Year Zero. Said he didn't like the music videos as a form from the very start and they were doing them because record companies wanted it and paid for them too (and NIN in turn tried to make them as cool/weird as possible). Notice how NIN also basically stopped making Halo/CD singles after YZ (read: after leaving Interscope)
Probably also affected by the decline in physical media at the time. But also this makes me sad because I remember bands putting weird songs on b-sides and now there isn't a b-side to anything so you don't get that anymore.

[buckaroo]

Probably also affected by the decline in physical media at the time. But also this makes me sad because I remember bands putting weird songs on b-sides and now there isn't a b-side to anything so you don't get that anymore.

i don’t get this honestly. I listen to a lot of bands that release b-sides, digital EP’s, remixes, etc on a regular basis without physical media. I wish Nine Inch Nails would do this!!! If anything, I expected the shift to streaming to result in MORE regular output from artists and not less. I really hope they do more of the digital stuff they did with HM with the next release (e.g. seed 7 and 8).

[Max]

Finally, I've noticed since Year Zero that they rarely make (or at least release) traditional music videos anymore. There have really only been two music videos in the past decade (Came Back Haunted and Less Than), unless you count the "performance" videos for The Lovers and Ahead of Ourselves (I think these are better than the aforementioned videos anyway, so I'd be happy with them continuing to make videos like this going forward). For a band that has some of the most amazing conceptual music videos ever (looking at you, Closer and The Perfect Drug!), I'd like to hear Trent's thoughts on why they seemingly don't care to make videos anymore. I think it would be nice to see a cool new music video that they put some money into, but with Trent's track record of being disappointed by videos and shelving them, I'm sure he's hesitant to invest too much into them these days. Maybe I answered my own question there, but I'd like to hear his thoughts on the matter.[/QUOTE]

A great music video is really hard to make and expensive - millions of dollars. With the music industry in the toilet, you basically have to fund it yourself. Now one might consider doing just that if they think that there is going to be a real upside in terms of exposure, or just an artistic statement that will connect with the audience. But right now with social media shelf life, a great music video will not last a long time. It's just not like the 90's anymore. Every once in a while you get something like, "This is America", which was a bold and beautiful and haunting work of art that kind of held the national attention for maybe a couple weeks. But if Closer came out today, would it hit as many eyeballs and hold their attention for long in this marketplace of over saturation, micro news cycles, and fragmentation of media? It would just feel like a waste of time and money I think.

I LOVED the art form. Like the videos that came out from 94-97... just legendary. But what can you do? Media and culture are what they are now. It's just splintered out and there is not going to be another MTV coming along.

I wouldn't pretend to know what Trent thinks or feels about music videos, but that's the context that exists right now as I understand it. Sad, sad, sad.

[Thor]

Atticus doesn't even sing any regular backing vocals live. I don't think he's gonna sing lead.

That's why I think it would be a bit of a stretch but he did sing some backing vocals in HTDA if I remember correctly, so it's not impossible!