Random NIN Thoughts

[Khrz]

wondering if Omega really is "andreaurbanfox"....Trents old trolling/stalker on the interwebs from 2009

Aw damn, and here we thought he was sober for good...

But seriously, this whole thing makes me a bit sad.

[tony.parente]

I love how this board is a magnet for batshit insane people.

[Ryan]

I love how this board is a magnet for batshit insane people.

The magnet in you must be the size of Cartman's ass then.

[sheepdean]

Shall we hit refresh?


I wonder if the full TR score for One Hour Photo will ever come out, considering how he's popular in the score world and Williams is passed away.

[Ryan]

That would be nice. Anything left over from Still would make my day.

[sheepdean]

That would be nice. Anything left over from Still would make my day.
Well, Still is left overs from that, The Fragile and DJ noodling (though it deserves a vinyl release dammit Trent), but yeah, the instrumentals we have on there, assuming they're from the score, are arguably some of the best Trent's done not counting Ghosts. Someone like price-gougers Mondo could totally do a release of it.

[gorast]

I would pay very bad, unjustifiable amounts of money if Mondo did a reissue of Still.

[sheepdean]

I would pay very bad, unjustifiable amounts of money if Mondo did a reissue of Still.
It's Mondo, everything is unjustifiable amounts with them :P

[sick among the pure]

Honestly, I think many of us would pay a lot for anything new from that era.
Do we know how much of the score Trent actually completed? I was under the impression that the only fleshed out bits that he made ended up on Still.

[Ryan]

Adrift And At Peace is the sequel to La Mer. Maybe he made a part three called Adrift And At Piss considering all the water you'd be floating on out there. Just a trickling, relaxing sound all throughout the song.

[sheepdean]

Honestly, I think many of us would pay a lot for anything new from that era.
Do we know how much of the score Trent actually completed? I was under the impression that the only fleshed out bits that he made ended up on Still.
I don't think it's been mentioned {insert leviathant with a link}, but I thought he had the full roughs that were declined, rather than only a couple of tracks?

[BRoswell]

I don't think it's been mentioned {insert leviathant with a link}, but I thought he had the full roughs that were declined, rather than only a couple of tracks?

According to the Access Q&A, he had composed a couple themes for the film, but apparently Mark Romanek and/or the studio didn't care for them, so he ended up reworking them into some of the tracks we hear on Still. It sounds to me like he never actually scored to the film and just came up with some stuff for them to use based on what he knew about the story (ala Girl With The Dragon Tattoo), so I doubt there's a "lost score" that exists. It would be interesting to see if there's anything else he composed that didn't end up on Still, but my guess is that we've heard all there is to hear at this point since he was dropped fairly early in the process.

Side note: I've actually taken those cues from Still and edited them into the movie for my own amusement. I love the score for the film, but they do work really well. It's also interesting to note that La Mer was actually used in the rough cut of the film.

[sheepdean]

I wonder what "a couple" means though. I agree there's not a full score, but there's something, and probably something we've not heard. Though, fuck it, I really just want Still deluxe :P

[Vertigo]

Would be nice to at least have confirmation of exactly which instrumentals are One Hour Photo, Fragile or original. They're all incredible though, and the last two are the reason I was so disappointed with Ghosts. I can't imagine any director hearing them and thinking "no", unless it was for a porno or something (but even then.....).

[screwdriver]

Would be nice to at least have confirmation of exactly which instrumentals are One Hour Photo, Fragile or original. They're all incredible though, and the last two are the reason I was so disappointed with Ghosts. I can't imagine any director hearing them and thinking "no", unless it was for a porno or something (but even then.....).

great, now the next time I watch porn (on a serious Bailey Jay kick), I'm going to put on Losing Hope and cry myself to orgasm

[sheepdean]

great, now the next time I watch porn (on a serious Bailey Jay kick), I'm going to put on Losing Hope and cry myself to orgasm
Or maybe Trent should cover her single http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007M5ONNQ/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007M5ONNQ&linkCode=as2&tag=theninhotli0a-20&linkId=QDI7HVXI5HQF7JYS

[fillow]

great, now the next time I watch porn (on a serious Bailey Jay kick), I'm going to put on Losing Hope and cry myself to orgasm
man I'd love this song in porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7aAALKpaiJE

[screwdriver]

Or maybe Trent should cover her single http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007M5ONNQ/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007M5ONNQ&linkCode=as2&tag=theninhotli0a-20&linkId=QDI7HVXI5HQF7JYS

how did I not know about this. VALUE ADDED, @sheepdean (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/members/350-sheepdean)

[sheepdean]

how did I not know about this. VALUE ADDED, @sheepdean (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/members/350-sheepdean)
I take no shame in admitting I have paid for that single

[BRoswell]

I can't imagine any director hearing them and thinking "no", unless it was for a porno or something (but even then.....).

I hate to speculate, but I have to wonder if Trent and Romanek had some sort of falling out. In the Access Q&A, someone asked Trent if he planned on working with him again, and he simply answered "Signs strongly point to no." I know Trent appears on his Director's Label DVD, but the interview looked like it might have been done a while before it actually came out. Again, this is all speculation, but it's hard for me to imagine him turning down Trent's tracks, especially since he used La Mer in the rough cut and knew what Trent was probably going to deliver.

[screwdriver]

I take no shame in admitting I have paid for that single

I liked you before, but I like you so much more now. Now I'm curious how many stealth Bailey Jay fans there on this board!

[kel]

i love that the last show i saw has a good, soundboard recording (portland lits).

listening again for the first time in ages.

[Exocet]

10 years ago today( on my 21st birthday) NIN announced their return after a near five year hiatus, the beginning of the With Teeth era, for 2 shows at the London Astoria, the scramble for tickets broke the fucking internet. I got tickets for one show . The other was on Ebay for a crazy price. They sold out in under 5 minutes.

[Inkë]

Reading about The Slip in the Controversial Thread, it reminded me how much I love this album, and especially the four last songs. That's the spookiest sequence of songs Reznor has ever made.

[EndlessLoveless]

I wish i wouldve bought the expensive ghosts box set and not the middle one. I love ghosts.
random.nin.thought.

[sheepdean]

I wish i wouldve bought the expensive ghosts box set and not the middle one. I love ghosts.
random.nin.thought.
The expensive box = $300 and is the deluxe, vinyl, art print and signature
Middle = $75. Vinyl = $33.99 (you can still get it (https://www.popmarket.com/popmarket/nine-inch-nails-ghosts-i-iv/details/28774502?current_country=US)). So if you'd pay $200 for a print and a signature, sure, but otherwise I still am happy with my deluxe and vinyl. Even though it's my favourite NIN album.

[Charmingly Miserable]

Speaking of expensive, I bet that Russell Mills Cargo in the Blood book is gonna sit a pretty penny.

[sick among the pure]

Speaking of expensive, I bet that Russell Mills Cargo in the Blood book is gonna sit a pretty penny.

The artist and NIN super fan in me are weeping. I want it so bad.

[Charmingly Miserable]

Me too. I'm thinking about turning to a life of low things just to get it. Or, I can save my money. As an artist myself, he is my modern day hero.

[butter_hole]

I hate to speculate, but I have to wonder if Trent and Romanek had some sort of falling out. In the Access Q&A, someone asked Trent if he planned on working with him again, and he simply answered "Signs strongly point to no." I know Trent appears on his Director's Label DVD, but the interview looked like it might have been done a while before it actually came out. Again, this is all speculation, but it's hard for me to imagine him turning down Trent's tracks, especially since he used La Mer in the rough cut and knew what Trent was probably going to deliver.

Didn't Romanek have some sullen words wrt the WITT video? Although I guess that was before OHP...

[BRoswell]

Didn't Romanek have some sullen words wrt the WITT video?

You're thinking of Mark Pellington.

[butter_hole]

You're thinking of Mark Pellington.


I'm a god damn goose.

[Halo Infinity]

Adrift And At Peace is the sequel to La Mer. Maybe he made a part three called Adrift And At Piss considering all the water you'd be floating on out there. Just a trickling, relaxing sound all throughout the song.
That would also be a terrible lie among the wretched, now wouldn't it? ;) -And it has also occurred to me that even Ripe (With Decay) can somehow go with that type of joke.-

Oh yeah, and thanks to you, I can't get this quote out of my mind whenever I'm listening to 13 - Ghosts II. :p

[FernandoDante]

So, I was watching this for the 10th time, and it finally hit me. When LL Cool J starts speaking, he says: "Congratulations to be determined". Now I finally realize that the prompter must've read "Congratulations [TO BE DETERMINED]", and he read it with a straight face. I know it was just the rehearsals, and whatever he said after "Congratulations" didn't really matter, but I still can't believe it took me this long to realize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEfOrECg6jI

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

Middle = $75. Vinyl = $33.99 (you can still get it (https://www.popmarket.com/popmarket/nine-inch-nails-ghosts-i-iv/details/28774502?current_country=US)).
Is the Deluxe Edition still available from nin.com? Sorta looks that way on the order page — if it's still live. :confused:

For years I've been bummed that I didn't get a nice physical Ghosts package. But it was my first NIN album, and for an embryonic fan the download was a much smaller commitment.


So, I was watching this for the 10th time, and it finally hit me. When LL Cool J starts speaking, he says: "Congratulations to be determined". Now I finally realize that the prompter must've read "Congratulations [TO BE DETERMINED]", and he read it with a straight face.
Yeah, I always thought he was saying "Congratulations to To Be Determined" and dropped the "to." Your way makes more sense.

I still hope that rehearsal makes it onto the Tension+ DVD.

[Charmingly Miserable]

A NIN + Haxan Cloak collab would be awesome.

[sheepdean]

Is the Deluxe Edition still available from nin.com? Sorta looks that way on the order page — if it's still live. :confused:

For years I've been bummed that I didn't get a nice physical Ghosts package. But it was my first NIN album, and for an embryonic fan the download was a much smaller commitment
It was never announced as sold out, so I assume so

[Khrz]

A NIN + Haxan Cloak collab would be awesome.

It's been out for a while, it's called "Further Down The Spiral" :p

[Inkë]

There's this time in Gone Girl when Tyler Perry starts by saying "And if we decide to go with your version of-..." and Ben Affleck cuts him with "-the truth." And then Tyler has this laugh that so much means "I see what you did there".

http://i.imgur.com/udPjL7N.png

[GlitchyFlame]

"I don't want to be 40 years old and tour" *smiles*

[Halo Infinity]

I also hope that this will be proven wrong too. Oh well, it's a little bit less than 4 more months to go before May 17, 2015 rolls around. ;)

Trent Reznor: I don't want to be singing "Head Like A Hole" at age 50.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_Like_a_Hole#Live_performances

@Wolfkiller (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=675) - It's even funnier that you said this, now that it has been proven that The Pale Emperor turns from black into white whenever it's exposed to heat. I also thought that perhaps it should just stay in the NIN section, since this is a random NIN thought based from your post that was also made in the NIN section.

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/3671-How-I-ended-up-as-track-11-on-the-HLAH-single?p=237038#post237038

http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7387-the-album-is-heat-sensitive?p=184955&viewfull=1#post184955

It obviously reminded me of Year Zero in an instant, along with In This Twilight. I just thought of pointing that out. :)

[m15a]

I also hope that this will be proven wrong too. Oh well, it's a little bit less than 4 more months to go before May 17, 2015 rolls around. ;)

Trent Reznor: I don't want to be singing "Head Like A Hole" at age 50.

Honestly, I don't mind if that comes true.





...He can sing it at age 51+.

[butter_hole]

Rob hasn't used any social media this year, I wonder what he's up to...

[Edo]

Rob hasn't used any social media this year, I wonder what he's up to...

Spending days and nights working on the tour footage. *wishful thinking*

[sheepdean]

Rob hasn't used any social media this year, I wonder what he's up to...
HTDA artwork took a lot of effort *wishful thinking mk2*

[WorzelG]

^^^i'd be happy with either of those, although maybe he's taking a well-earned break! (if this were the case you'd think his tweeting would increase actually so fingers crossed he is working on something)

[dlb]

I hope he is busy at work and I'm sure he definitely is. He isn't active at all anymore besides re-tweets and small comments here and there. I miss his old demon baby blog and spotify playlist though.

[FernandoDante]

Rob hasn't used any social media this year, I wonder what he's up to...
Probably a coincidence, but he stopped being as active as he used to be, around the same time there was a change in NIN management.

I would guess that he's either working his ass off on that multiple DVD set, or he's gotten tired of seeing shit he hates on twitter.

[WorzelG]

^^^He had a bit of a run in with the gamer gate people recently - but I'm sure that wouldn't drive him off twitter!

[sheepdean]

It is possible he's just like, doing something non-TR related. He's not done that for a long time.

[implanted_microchip]

I certainly hope he's working on the 2013/14 tour set, because honestly it really has been a while. I remember a lot of people complaining literally weeks after the tour ended that it wasn't out yet. Well, it'll be half a year soon, so I just want some info on it. Ideally it'll get announced in full in Spring and then have a Winter release or Fall release. I just really want something that I'm able to have that gives a good idea of what my first concert-going experience was like with Tension, and what my continued attendance was like with the 2014 SG tour, along with a lot of the goodies other places got that the US didn't. They put so much work and effort into varying it up, presenting the band in different lights and moods with different setups and setlists and I just really want to see that put together more than anything. I'm seriously more interested in that than another NIN album at the moment.

[BRoswell]

I certainly hope he's working on the 2013/14 tour set, because honestly it really has been a while.

Technically it hasn't. The tour ended in August, which was only five months ago. Beside You In Time didn't come out until just under a year after the end of the With Teeth tour, and of course And All That Could Have Been and Closure didn't come out until almost two years after the end of their respective tours. I'm sure it feels longer since we've already seen an edit of one of the concerts, but they're on a normal course for a live release at the moment.

[implanted_microchip]

Technically it hasn't. The tour ended in August, which was only five months ago. Beside You In Time didn't come out until just under a year after the end of the With Teeth tour, and of course And All That Could Have Been and Closure didn't come out until almost two years after the end of their respective tours. I'm sure it feels longer since we've already seen an edit of one of the concerts, but they're on a normal course for a live release at the moment.

Oh yeah, I didn't mean to come off as whining or anything, I just kind of wish there would be regular updates is all. I don't know, it's so easy at this point to just post a quick tweet or FB post or site post or whatever and say "Almost done on this," or "Working at this," etc., and it's better than nothing. When Smashing Pumpkins were making their latest album there were daily, sometimes several a day updates on the recording process and it felt like it came out incredibly fast because there were so many regular updates. It's not like this is some secret surprise project, either.

[BRoswell]

I guess maybe I'm different. Less updates make it easier for me to forget about it for a while, and when there's finally an update (or a release date), I can get more excited about it than I would if there were constant updates.

[fillow]

Beside You In Time didn't come out until just under a year after the end of the With Teeth tour, and of course And All That Could Have Been and Closure didn't come out until almost two years after the end of their respective tours.
Actually, BYIT was out in February while the tour ended in July (so it's pretty much the same amount of time passed by now) + they worked their ass off on YZ and Niggy Tardust at the same time. You're right about AATCHB and Closure though.

[billpulsipher]

Tension is dead. You guys are still clinging to this? Spring 2014 release date....Its Spring 2015 in 2 months....To think TR would be wasting his time editing a 16 month old concert dvd that wont make him any money, instead of working on new music/Fragile reissue would be stupid on his part

[WorzelG]

^^yeah but apart from approving stuff what does TR have to do on this? Rob can do all that, edit, artwork etc while he does other stuff. Anyway you might be right about the DVD, who really knows?

[BRoswell]

Actually, BYIT was out in February while the tour ended in July (so it's pretty much the same amount of time passed by now) + they worked their ass off on YZ and Niggy Tardust at the same time. You're right about AATCHB and Closure though.

You're right. I guess I was referring to the time between the concerts that were shot for the main feature and the release date. Still, my point stands.


Tension is dead. You guys are still clinging to this? Spring 2014 release date....Its Spring 2015 in 2 months....To think TR would be wasting his time editing a 16 month old concert dvd that wont make him any money, instead of working on new music/Fragile reissue would be stupid on his part

You're still clinging to the whole "HE SAID SPRING 2014!" thing even though they said they were adding footage from the summer concerts and Trent was busy with Gone Girl? Bwahahaha!

I've said it before: if it's not out in the next year or so, then we can call it a lost cause. Till then, let's just hang back and see what happens. Shit, it's still January. Trent's made us wait longer than this.


^^yeah but apart from approving stuff what does TR have to do on this? Rob can do all that, edit, artwork etc while he does other stuff. Anyway you might be right about the DVD, who really knows?

Approving stuff can take a while, especially if Trent's not happy with something. Let's not forget that the concert video was meant as an appetizer for the actual live release. Considering how quickly they released that after the concert, it might be safe to say that they want to polish it up (plus add in the songs that were cut). It may seem ready to go to us, but we are talking about Trent here. Add on to that sorting through footage from last summer, editing it, re-editing it, doing a proper sound mix, color correction and all the other mind-numbing stuff that comes with releasing a film, plus whatever else might be added to the package, plus Trent being busy working on and promoting Gone Girl, plus family...time adds up, you know?

To me, it's not taking so long, but that's because I don't really think about it most of the time. Maybe it's because I work in film too, and I know how long things can take, even if you have all the pieces. Or maybe I'm just more patient than most. I dunno.

[Deepvoid]

The last announcement regarding Tension DVD was August 31, 2014 on instagram.
That's not even 5 months ago.

Let's talk again in August 2015.

[butter_hole]

It is possible he's just like, doing something non-TR related. He's not done that for a long time.
not possible. without TR he goes pale and withers away like a dying tree trunk

[der_wahnsinn]

Well, there was roughly 18 months between fragility 2.0 and AATCHB... Anything is possible if you break out the 'soon' chart.

[Ryan]

Let's not forget about this re: Tension DVD -



At the end of the interview, the director said the following:

I have a Nine Inch Nails DVD coming out soon. I directed 2 of the 4 shows in the package. I would highly recommend checking it out. They put on a hell of a show. Trent is up there with Axl as one of the great frontmen in rock.


Source: http://gnrtruth.proboards.com/thread/2442

[Halo Infinity]

Tension is dead. You guys are still clinging to this? Spring 2014 release date....Its Spring 2015 in 2 months....To think TR would be wasting his time editing a 16 month old concert dvd that wont make him any money, instead of working on new music/Fragile reissue would be stupid on his part
I suppose that I'd at least give it up until 2016, as I'm also just going by the gaps between The Downward Spiral and Closure, The Fragile and And All That Could Have Been (Live) and With Teeth and Beside You In Time. I can't say that I blame you for not expecting anything to come out any time soon though.

@kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) - I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused as I have a feeling that my memory is failing me again. Were you a fan since The Slip era or the Hesitation Marks era? Or perhaps somewhere in between the releases of The Slip and Hesitation Marks?

I can at least recall that the first Nine Inch Nails concert that you've attended was in the Hesitation Marks era though.

[FernandoDante]

^^^He had a bit of a run in with the gamer gate people recently - but I'm sure that wouldn't drive him off twitter!
And Ferguson.


not possible. without TR he goes pale and withers away like a dying tree trunk
"Goes pale"? Can he be any 'paler' than he already is?

[implanted_microchip]

@kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) - I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused as I have a feeling that my memory is failing me again. Were you a fan since The Slip era or the Hesitation Marks era? Or perhaps somewhere in between the releases of The Slip and Hesitation Marks?

I can at least recall that the first Nine Inch Nails concert that you've attended was in the Hesitation Marks era though.

I specifically became a serious NIN fan right around late, late 2009, after the final NIN show and all that jazz. The Tension tour was both my first NIN concert and first concert in general, and currently the only shows I've attended at all have all been on NIN tours, although this year that's certainly set to change. When I was younger I knew pretty much all the radio singles and enjoyed them heavily, a lot more than other things I'd hear, but it wasn't until I hit that age where I was capable of branching out and actually finding music I was interested in that I was able to go head-first into their discography.

[Sarah K]

FUCK.

Every couple of months, I go back and watch the VEVO Tension show. It brings back such great memories. And you really forget just how fucking massive and amazing it all was.

The set is going to be worth the wait.

[billpulsipher]

Let's not forget about this re: Tension DVD -



At the end of the interview, the director said the following:

I have a Nine Inch Nails DVD coming out soon. I directed 2 of the 4 shows in the package. I would highly recommend checking it out. They put on a hell of a show. Trent is up there with Axl as one of the great frontmen in rock.


Source: http://gnrtruth.proboards.com/thread/2442

you're taking the word of a guy who says Axl Rose is one of the greatest frontmen in rock....

[BRoswell]

you're taking the word of a guy who says Axl Rose is one of the greatest frontmen in rock....

That's an opinion. "I directed two out of four shows in the upcoming set." is not an opinion.

[billpulsipher]

Tim Pope has directed over 10 Cure shows with the intention for dvd release over the last 5-8 years....0 releases to this date....Filming shows means nothing

[Ryan]

Tim Pope has directed over 10 Cure shows with the intention for dvd release over the last 5-8 years....0 releases to this date....Filming shows means nothing

This is true.

[tony.parente]

Honestly I see a Hesitation Marks reissue with a "bonus" Tension DVD happening before a standalone at this point. That whole album has been pretty much forgotten about by now, at least by the general populous.

[Khrz]

That whole album has been pretty much forgotten about by now, at least by the general populous.

Well any album that isn't on a Daft Punk level of hype/fame is forgotten way earlier than one year later, and Reznor hasn't had that amount of attention since The Downward Spiral...

[tony.parente]

Well any album that isn't on a Daft Punk level of hype/fame is forgotten way earlier than one year later, and Reznor hasn't had that amount of attention since The Downward Spiral...
Well there hasn't been a single that has gained any decent radio traction for NIN since Survivalism (at least in my market) and it seems like I heard Came Back Haunted on the radio twice the first week and then no sign of anything since. The tour wasn't exactly groundbreaking in any sense unless you really liked the gospel singers (a lot of people did) - I just don't see how they would be able to market a DVD release of tension/nin-sg to anyone but the hardcore fans. That's not really talking shit about the tour or the album, I just think the window has passed.

[Khrz]

AATCHB was released three years after The Fragile though ? Obviously I have no idea how marketable it seemed in the US back then, but here when TF was released the only fan I saw at the record store was a mom in her 40ies...
And this isn't taking into account the fact the The Fragile had been declared bloated and overhyped by numerous reviewers by the time the AATCHB DVD/CD was released.
NIN's main market is based on NIN fans, and has been for a while now. We're the guys who will pay for a triple CD of instrumental jam, and who will throw cash at Trent's face to get his free record... As far as I know, nobody else has really cared in decades now ?
By that I mean, there's the slight raise of eyebrows when he releases something, but that's as quickly forgotten as a new album by Peter Gabriel or Brian Eno. "Hey the old classic's still making music... Cool cool..."

[tony.parente]

The last date of the further down the spiral tour was February 18th, 1995. Closure was released November 25th, 1997. - 2 years, 9 months later.
The last date of the fragility tour was July 9th, 2000. AATCHB was released January 22, 2002. 1 year, 6 months later.
The last date of the with_teeth tour was July 8th, 2006. BYIT was released February 27th, 2007. 7 months later.
The last date of the 2014 tour was August 18th, 2014. Mystery title dvd was released ________. We're 5 months into the wait time.

I guess I don't have much of a leg to stand on right now. Chalk this up to me and bill being wrong I guess!

[billpulsipher]

Well any album that isn't on a Daft Punk level of hype/fame is forgotten way earlier than one year later, and Reznor hasn't had that amount of attention since The Downward Spiral...

actually the promotion and the media attention for HM when it came out is the most attention TR has gotten in YEARS. He even got an invite toperform at the grammys......The world was paying close attention to see what HM would be and basically it flopped....I think TR is smart enough not to put all his time and energy into releasing an 18 month old concert that wont make any money documenting a tour everyone has forgotten about (except sarah k).........He should worry about the Fragile reissue instead

[Khrz]

He should worry about the Fragile reissue instead

Well nobody's waiting for that one with bated breath either, except the same people who care about the band's tours...

[sheepdean]

He should worry about the Fragile reissue instead
you really want that more than new music?

[WorzelG]

I'd agree with the stuff here more if this album had been promoted in the way a normal band does, go on tv shows before the album release / tour, release a video just before the album drops etc. there was no video release, except one MONTHS before, I assume no radio play, no tv shows till the tour was nearly over. I thought this album had more chance than most for mainstream appeal, but Trent just decided not to bother for some unfathomable reason. You're all talking like this had daft punk style promotion and then no one liked it.

[BRoswell]

actually the promotion and the media attention for HM when it came out is the most attention TR has gotten in YEARS. He even got an invite toperform at the grammys......The world was paying close attention to see what HM would be and basically it flopped....I think TR is smart enough not to put all his time and energy into releasing an 18 month old concert that wont make any money documenting a tour everyone has forgotten about (except sarah k).........He should worry about the Fragile reissue instead

Again, how did it flop? It wasn't a massive "ten weeks on top of the charts" success, but it sold, got good reviews for the most part, and had a successful tour run. For someone who has been in the business as long as Trent has, that's pretty fucking good. Please, explain to me how it was such a failure.


you really want that more than new music?

I'd at least like to see it before a new Nine Inch Nails album is released. My hope is that things go like this: Tension release -> How To Destroy Angels album -> Fragile reissue -> another film score -> new Nine Inch Nails album. I think that's reasonable.

[Vertigo]

The one thing I'd most like to see Trent release this year is With Teeth multitracks for the 10th anniversary. Along with Fragile multitracks to make up for taking so damn long with the re-issue.

[sheepdean]

The one thing I'd most like to see Trent release this year is With Teeth multitracks for the 10th anniversary. Along with Fragile multitracks to make up for taking so damn long with the re-issue.
I want the Quake multis because it needs to be in 5.1 far more than Starfuckers.

[screwdriver]

I want the Quake multis because it needs to be in 5.1 far more than Starfuckers.

actually 5.1 starfuckers I suspect would blow a lot of minds. there is just an insane density in the choruses, especially at the end.

[r_z]

Also, would a WT reissue include the leftovers? You know, the songs (like Non-Entity, ...), which were planned for the album that got scrapped in favor for releasing Year Zero...

[seasonsinthesky]

Also, would a WT reissue include the leftovers? You know, the songs (like Non-Entity, ...), which were planned for the album that got scrapped in favor for releasing Year Zero...

there's also an essay that was supposed to come out with the deluxe tour release thing that never happened.

also, i imagine there are a LOT of demos that went nowhere for that record, given the abandoned Bleedthrough concept and that he had started making music after such a long break to get sober.

[Khrz]

At this point, I think it's commonly believed that any demo from The Fragile, With Teeth or any other project has since been stripped for parts and entirely recycled... The chances that we end up with a forgotten gem are seriously unlikely.

[sheepdean]

At this point, I think it's commonly believed that any demo from The Fragile, With Teeth or any other project has since been stripped for parts and entirely recycled... The chances that we end up with a forgotten gem are seriously unlikely.
Stripped for parts, sure. But the whole original songs still existed once - be it Just Do It, Message To No One or that Kiss cover, we can be 90% sure he made them at some point.

[sick among the pure]

[shouldn't] put all his time and energy into releasing an 18 month old concert.........He should worry about the Fragile reissue instead

So... don't finish a project you filmed 2 years worth of touring for (so the last of the recording would be a few months ago) because that's old hat. A project that you continually bring up "HE PROMISED IT TO US LAST YEAR EVEN THOUGH HE THEN SAID HE WAS ADDING TO IT THIS YEAR".
Instead, he should focus on a re-issue that he started working on... when did he first talk about it? It was the NIN|JA tour, right? During the meet and greets?

So... don't work on something recent because IT'S BEEN TOO LONG. Instead work on something older.

Why don't you make your argument what it really is? It's not the time frame. It's what you personally did not like.

http://i.imgur.com/4yp2fZa.gif

[nooneimportant]

actually the promotion and the media attention for HM when it came out is the most attention TR has gotten in YEARS. He even got an invite toperform at the grammys......The world was paying close attention to see what HM would be and basically it flopped....I think TR is smart enough not to put all his time and energy into releasing an 18 month old concert that wont make any money documenting a tour everyone has forgotten about (except sarah k).........He should worry about the Fragile reissue instead

Get over yourself.

[billpulsipher]

So... don't finish a project you filmed 2 years worth of touring for (so the last of the recording would be a few months ago) because that's old hat. A project that you continually bring up "HE PROMISED IT TO US LAST YEAR EVEN THOUGH HE THEN SAID HE WAS ADDING TO IT THIS YEAR".
Instead, he should focus on a re-issue that he started working on... when did he first talk about it? It was the NIN|JA tour, right? During the meet and greets?

So... don't work on something recent because IT'S BEEN TOO LONG. Instead work on something older.

Why don't you make your argument what it really is? It's not the time frame. It's what you personally did not like.

http://i.imgur.com/4yp2fZa.gif

your entire argument is idiotic for the simple fact more people care about a Fragile reissue than a stupid concert film. Fragile is arguably his best album and I am 100 percent sure he is more serious about the content for the reissue of an album that will be his legacy than a concert film for a tour that he took a loss on

[sheepdean]

your entire argument is idiotic for the simple fact more people care about a Fragile reissue than a stupid concert film. Fragile is arguably his best album and I am 100 percent sure he is more serious about the content for the reissue of an album that will be his legacy than a concert film for a tour that he took a loss on
All of his albums are arguably his best, that's how arguing works.

[BRoswell]

I think Billy Boy and that Omega person should duke it out to see who can ignore basic facts the best. At some point they would start arguing about their own existence and then fade into nothing.

[tony.parente]

All of his albums are arguably his best, that's how arguing works.
Playing the devils advocate here...but I think it's a safe bet that The Downward Spiral/The Fragile will always be the frontrunners to be his "Sgt. Pepper" to at least 75% of his fans. And this is coming from someone who's favorite album is with teeth, then again I do have the lyrics to la mer tattooed on me.

[botley]

The Fragile is not well remembered outside of the hardcore fanbase. I also happen to think it doesn't need remastering (unlike the And All That Could Have Been: Live CD, which sounds maybe 10% as good as the soundtrack from the official Tension 2013 video). The Fragile surround mix on its own won't sell strongly, as surround music is a pretty niche market. Deluxe artwork and bonus tracks will make it attractive to the fans, and high-res digital for the audiophile crowd would be welcome. Something like the Ghosts I–IV super-deluxe is what I assume would be the prototype for a Fragile reissue.

The Fragility 2.0 tour didn't always sell out either, yet it was the most elaborately documented NIN show with official live releases in many different packages — Live CD, Still CD, cloth-bound deluxe 2-CD set, 2-DVD set (which came in two flavours: Dolby Digital or DTS), and even VHS. The Live: With Teeth tour went on for over a year and only got Beside You In Time, a single disc in one of three flavours (Blu-ray, DVD and remember HD-DVD?) — which is comparatively short shrift, considering how many people came to see those shows and how good that band was.

[nooneimportant]

More importantly, as good as The Fragile is, why the hell should he want to look back on that time of his life? He clearly wasn't in a good head space and I doubt he is really itching to look back on it.

[tony.parente]

The Fragility 2.0 tour didn't always sell out either
Don't facepalm me here, but did any Tension show sell out at all?
nooneimportant he wasn't in a good space during the downward spiral either and we got a full remaster/5.1/demo and extra disk with that reissue too. And he did the remaster of PHM too and he needed someone to teach him out to kiss during that time period.

[Krazy]

Don't facepalm me here, but did any Tension show sell out at all?
@nooneimportant (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=3581) he wasn't in a good space during the downward spiral either and we got a full remaster/5.1/demo and extra disk with that reissue too. And he did the remaster of PHM too and he needed someone to teach him out to kiss during that time period.

LA and Toronto off the top of my head. And technically the LV shows.

EDIT: did any Fragility arena shows sell out?

[BenAkenobi]

... The Live: With Teeth tour went on for over a year and only got Beside You In Time, a single disc in one of three flavours (Blu-ray, DVD and remember HD-DVD?) — which is comparatively short shrift...

Excuse me, but the fact there's one disk instead of two doesn't mean B.Y.I.T. is shorter. Both main shows are 19 tracks and B.Y.I.T. wins in the extras area :)

[BRoswell]

Don't facepalm me here, but did any Tension show sell out at all?

Toronto, New York, Atlanta, LA, and Vegas did for Tension, but most of the shows that didn't sell out still had around 75% attendance, which isn't bad.

But it doesn't matter because the tour and the album were MASSIVE flops. I mean massive, big tittied bra flops. Jesus, I'm surprised that Trent is still getting work after all that.

[Krazy]

Toronto, New York, Atlanta, LA, and Vegas did for Tension, but most of the shows that didn't sell out still had around 75% attendance, which isn't bad.

But it doesn't matter because the tour and the album were MASSIVE flops. Jesus, I'm surprised that Trent is still getting work after all that.

If Atlanta was a sellout it was purely because of a reconfigured arena- I recall looking at tickets when they went on sale and they had all sections open, and eventually closed the top sections. GA tix could be had from TM weeks after on sale date.

To be fair Atlanta can't even draw good crowds when their sports teams are doing good (Falcons, Braves, Hawks) despite being one of the largest U.S. markets.

[r_z]

At this point, I think it's commonly believed that any demo from The Fragile, With Teeth or any other project has since been stripped for parts and entirely recycled... The chances that we end up with a forgotten gem are seriously unlikely.

I don't think so. I remember one interview during the WT press cycle, where he was like "the next one's already done", presumbly talking about the Amnesiac to WTs Kid A. This was - I believe - before touring and the YZ recording started. So, yeah, there probably are a few songs from that era lying around somewhere in a vault of Trents.

[Khrz]

a vault of Trents.

I had a The Prestige flashback and giggled.

[nooneimportant]

Don't facepalm me here, but did any Tension show sell out at all?
@nooneimportant (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=3581) he wasn't in a good space during the downward spiral either and we got a full remaster/5.1/demo and extra disk with that reissue too. And he did the remaster of PHM too and he needed someone to teach him out to kiss during that time period.

My point is that he was going crazy with the drugs, alcohol, and his Grandmother's death. What I'm saying is that he probably doesn't want to look back on that too much. He even said he had a hard time dealing with AATCHB because of this exact reason.

I want a cool re-issue as much as anybody else but I just think that Trent wants to move forwards and not backwards.

[sick among the pure]

Don't facepalm me here, but did any Tension show sell out at all?


Though it's already been mentioned that shows did sell out, saying "Toronto sold out" is a huge understatement. Toronto sold out in a matter of seconds for the pre-sale, and regular on-sale, and people were clamoring for at least a second show in the market. A combination of years of experience sniping up my NIN ticket along with SO MUCH LUCK are the only reasons I was able to go.

Also, the space Trent was in for TDS and TF, while similarly depressing, are in no way comparable from my understanding. Not that he would shy away from TF because of it, though. Just saying, I wouldn't consider it the same thing.

[implanted_microchip]

I really don't think the "did any of the shows sell out even?" argument works for the Tension tour at all. They were playing big arenas, as a solo headlining act, where aside from two dates of the tour the openers were fully instrumental acts that have very niche fanbases. Most bands will have trouble filling arenas now. Concert attendance in general is lower than it once was, and a giant venue that can fit 20,000 people isn't going to get filled most nights.

Did Lights in the Sky sell out every night? I doubt it. Does that mean NIN fans everywhere consider it a failure? Nope. And then when NIN tours nothing but clubs and amphitheaters, of course those will sell out a hell of a lot easier than an arena tour will. The fact that NIN could get booked for that big of an arena tour alone is a good sign for NIN, and the same thing happened in Europe, where attendance was maybe the lowest of the 2013/14 cycle, and really that's more due to them not being as major an act in Europe than elsewhere.

Just because some people didn't like HM and backing singers and thought one of the best living bass players was "too creepy," doesn't mean Trent shouldn't bother releasing a Tension show as part of a concert package. I sure as hell would buy it, a lot of other people here would buy it, and I'm sure plenty of the thousands of people who saw Tension and had a fantastic time would too if they heard about it. Everyone around me had an amazing time when I saw them in Orlando, and it was one of the most out-on-a-limb things Trent's ever done for a tour.

I find it funny that people will complain that he's not done an all Still-type tour or electronic tour or any other radical shift from the norm, and yet the one time he did there was a small but very loud subset of fans who just spent an entire tour complaining and then kept it going after that even.

I already own The Fragile. I'd love to own it with extra content and get a vinyl release of it that isn't an obscene amount of money, yeah, but I have the album, and I have the singles, and I have AATCHB's DVD and CD, and I've even got Still, too, along with the CRC Sessions from RITC. I feel pretty good about the amount of music I have from that time period. As much as I would love a Smashing Pumpkins-style reissue with three discs of demos that only really matter to superfans like us, I'm very content with the album I have and surrounding material. The Tension and Other Shows tour set on the other hand, I don't have, and I saw 3 shows in that year-long cycle. I'd love to add that to my collection, I'd love to watch it without songs cut, without YouTube not wanting to stream in 1080 because of a shit ISP, and I'd love to have one of the European shows, or one of the North American shows, or anything else really.

[sheepdean]

Playing the devils advocate here...but I think it's a safe bet that The Downward Spiral/The Fragile will always be the frontrunners to be his "Sgt. Pepper" to at least 75% of his fans. And this is coming from someone who's favorite album is with teeth, then again I do have the lyrics to la mer tattooed on me.
The majority doesn't mean they're right though - as my favourite is Ghosts, and I've met people who claim Still and The Slip as their own, I think every position can be argued equally. Especially if you consider sales a factor in "best" (which you obviously shouldn't)

[BenAkenobi]

What I'm saying is that he probably doesn't want to look back on that too much...

I just looked at nin.com for pre-H/M news and you know, right before album announcement there are Fragile journals from 1999 posted. If "he" isn't (wasn't?) too shy to showcase those, why draw conclusion that Fragile material necessarily mean "moving backward"? And then nin performed songs such as Into The Void. your point of view is understandable, though ;)

[Khrz]

I keep reading about the success and overall reception of the Tension tour relateively to the presence of backup singers, but remember that that only represents the US tour, the international leg featured a regular NIN lineup...

[implanted_microchip]

I keep reading about the success and overall reception of the Tension tour relateively to the presence of backup singers, but remember that that only represents the US tour, the international leg featured a regular NIN lineup...
The Tension tour was only in the US. There was the 2013 Festival tour, Tension tour, then essentially NIN Live 2014, which was broken into Nine North Inch America Nails 2014, NIN Europe 2014, NIN/QOtSA 2014, NIN Latin America 2014, etc. Basically made "Performance 2007" sound creative, but it's a well-drawn line that the Tension lineup was the 8 piece and the 4 piece was the 2014 lineup.

[theimage13]

The last date of the further down the spiral tour was February 18th, 1995. Closure was released November 25th, 1997. - 2 years, 9 months later.
The last date of the fragility tour was July 9th, 2000. AATCHB was released January 22, 2002. 1 year, 6 months later.
The last date of the with_teeth tour was July 8th, 2006. BYIT was released February 27th, 2007. 7 months later.
The last date of the 2014 tour was August 18th, 2014. Mystery title dvd was released ________. We're 5 months into the wait time.

I guess I don't have much of a leg to stand on right now. Chalk this up to me and bill being wrong I guess!

Ahem.
The gap between that first major tour and Closure was 33 months.
The gap between Closure and AATCHB was 15 months faster than before.
The gap between AATCHB and YIT was 11 months than before.

What I'm getting at is that at the rate they've been decreasing production time, this release obviously should have been finished and on sale sometime in the middle of the tour (and the next one should be on shelves before production rehearsals start). You can't expect me to believe that Trent and Rob don't have that Spaceballs technology that gets it in homes before it's even done filming.

[billpulsipher]

My point is that he was going crazy with the drugs, alcohol, and his Grandmother's death. What I'm saying is that he probably doesn't want to look back on that too much. He even said he had a hard time dealing with AATCHB because of this exact reason.

I want a cool re-issue as much as anybody else but I just think that Trent wants to move forwards and not backwards.

on the 06 leg of the WT tour (clean and sober Trent) was playing 5-7 Fragile songs a night....as for not wanting to look backwards etc...TR is the one who announced a Fragile reissue and how big its going to be...He opened pandora's box

[Khrz]

He opened pandora's box

Honestly Bill, when it comes to Reznor and Pandora's boxes, his home studio must look like the storage at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark...

http://provideocoalition.com/images/uploads/raiders.jpg

Pandora's boxes, Pandora's boxes as far as the eye can see...

[Krazy]

Since people discuss it so much, I've no doubt TR mentioned it- but what and when was said about a TF reissue?

(I must've missed it)

[billpulsipher]

He's mentioned it 50 times....starting with this....in 2009...coming in 2010...lol

https://twitter.com/nineinchnails/status/4157519090

[elevenism]

well i didn't get to go to tension because it didn't come anywhere near me and i still have no car,
so i want a effing gd dvd, damnit.

[Charmingly Miserable]

You know, I'd be ok with Trent taking this year to produce some one else's music. I kinda wished that El P picked him as one of the producers for Meow the Jewels.

[fillow]

At this point, I think it's commonly believed that any demo from The Fragile, With Teeth or any other project has since been stripped for parts and entirely recycled... The chances that we end up with a forgotten gem are seriously unlikely.
Not sure what you mean by "commonly believed"... In fact, I'm completely disagree with this.
Maybe this isn't a best example I'm drawing, but look at The Smashing Pumpkins discography. Even before BC started the recent remaster/reissue campaign, there were already mountains of rough unfinished or live demos in circulation. I don't even mean the alt takes and proper demos of album songs, but unreleased songs. And now with this campaign he completely opened the floodgates, revealing even more songs.

Now take a look at, say, Radiohead. It's also a well known that they have a lot songs just shelved. But they chose not to flood the market with demo stuff. That's their choice. It's hard to believe they don't have lots of it though.

And there we have Trent Reznor, a well-known perfectionist. It's just that he's way more strict about this shit. He spent in the studio two years making an album (The Fragile), which is probably longer than Pumpkins spent on MCIS, and was joking that at some point the album could take as much as 6 CDs, and you tell me he milked these ideas out for further releases? No way. Plus he also spent year and a half making TDS (judging by his Prodigy posts where he said he hope to release it in early '93 no less) and all we got is 14 songs + 5 b-sides? There just has be more unreleased shit.

[GlitchyFlame]

I sat down and listened to HM today and heard a completely different album. I didn't hear an album with simple and boring sound, I heard an album with layers and layers of atmosphere and genius structure. I don't know what changed, but I love this album now.

[Leviathant]

He's mentioned it 50 times....starting with this....in 2009...coming in 2010...lol

https://twitter.com/nineinchnails/status/4157519090

Bill, I gotta say, that was a lot of fun to retweet just now.

[Krazy]

Bill, I gotta say, that was a lot of fun to retweet just now.

I've set my calendar for a January 2019 reminder to RT the 2013-14 "video release" tweet from NIN official account.

Whether its out or not.

[Ryan]

I've set my calendar for a January 2019 reminder to RT the 2013-14 "video release" tweet from NIN official account.

Whether its out or not.

Then this is Feb 2014 -

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/2973-The-Fragile-reissue-thread-(20soon-edition)

[sheepdean]

A NIN + Haxan Cloak collab would be awesome.
Crocodile Gennadiy announced via the Kickstarter updates that Atticus will have Haxan Cloak as a collaborator on the score. Close enough?

[Charmingly Miserable]

sheepdean awesome

[Wolfkiller]

Jesus fucking Christ The Downward Spiral is so awesome while high.
Update! And The Fragile! Wow! Let's hear it for Nine Inch Nails!

[ryanmcfly]

I was looking at tension 2013 vids on youtube, and I noticed that Trent didn't play any guitar during the first date in St Paul. Seeing him play Head Like a Hole and The Hand That Feeds without the guitar is just awkward looking. I wonder what his reasoning behind going back to playing guitar on those songs was.

[Khrz]

Jesus fucking Christ The Downward Spiral is so awesome while high.

Even a vacuum cleaner sounds awesome while high, though :D

[Halo Infinity]

Playing the devils advocate here...but I think it's a safe bet that The Downward Spiral/The Fragile will always be the frontrunners to be his "Sgt. Pepper" to at least 75% of his fans. And this is coming from someone who's favorite album is with teeth, then again I do have the lyrics to la mer tattooed on me.
In this case, I can still actually see where you and @billpulsipher (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2774) are coming from. I think all musicians, no matter how loved they are, have that "sweet spot" within their discographies, just like how they have that one ultimate peak in their careers (Or more if they're lucky and/or just that great.), as any successful musicians would. I sometimes like to think of it as the "Capturing lightning in a bottle." phase. (Or albums that could very well be a box set of greatest hits.) It doesn't always have to mean that they always "went bad" or that "The magic/greatness is absolutely gone." either, but Pretty Hate Machine to The Fragile and/or With Teeth depending on who you speak to, seems to be that sweet spot among the majority of Nine Inch Nails fans.

With that being said, I can also still agree with @sheepdean (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=350) though, since it's all still subjective regardless of the majority's or minority's opinions, and that what truly matters is if you actually like and enjoy what you're hearing individually, even though I still can't deny that what pleases the most fans still matters on some level sometimes, considering how there are still standards to be met whenever it comes to hard work, talent and artistic integrity. I also hope that I worded this right, or at least in a good way, since this almost feels like I'm treading into "Controvesial NIN Opinions" territory.

@kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) - I thought that you would've liked to see this post as well, as I've also been thinking about this since Year Zero came out, and this sort of topic about NIN and discographies in general has always intrigued me on some level too.

@elevenism (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475) - I also wondered what you would've thought too, as I can somehow still recall you saying there was something "special and dangerous" about Nine Inch Nails in 1992-1996.

[m15a]

Regarding NIN's "Sgt. Pepper": Ranked #4 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/rolling-stone-readers-pick-the-top-10-beatles-albums-20110223/4-sgt-peppers-lonely-hearts-club-band-0481961). (Yes, that result is cherry-picked - but it's a well-known publication from the first page of Google hits for "beatles best albums". And it turns out I agree with that ranking of Sgt. Pepper.)

[EndlessLoveless]

Even a vacuum cleaner sounds awesome while high, though :D

Sober too!

[Khrz]

This is why I love the Gone Girl soundtrack so much. Vacuum Cleaner Opera.

[Vertigo]

Regarding NIN's "Sgt. Pepper": Ranked #4 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/rolling-stone-readers-pick-the-top-10-beatles-albums-20110223/4-sgt-peppers-lonely-hearts-club-band-0481961). (Yes, that result is cherry-picked - but it's a well-known publication from the first page of Google hits for "beatles best albums". And it turns out I agree with that ranking of Sgt. Pepper.)

I pretty much agree with that entire ranking, except Magical Mystery Tour would be one or two higher if counting the 1967 singles that the CD versions come with.

[billpulsipher]

In this case, I can still actually see where you and @billpulsipher (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2774) are coming from. I think all musicians, no matter how loved they are, have that "sweet spot" within their discographies, just like how they have that one ultimate peak in their careers (Or more if they're lucky and/or just that great.), as any successful musicians would. I sometimes like to think of it as the "Capturing lightning in a bottle." phase. (Or albums that could very well be a box set of greatest hits.) It doesn't always have to mean that they always "went bad" or that "The magic/greatness is absolutely gone." either, but Pretty Hate Machine to The Fragile and/or With Teeth depending on who you speak to, seems to be that sweet spot among the majority of Nine Inch Nails fans.



Alot of great bands usually have an 8-10 year window where they are at their peak and then start sucking shit or becoming mediocre. NIN from 89-99, PHM, TDS and Fragile will always be to TR what Pornography, Disintegration, and Faith are to Robert Smith or what Black Celebration, Violator and Music for the Masses are to Depeche or what Low, Scary Monsters and Heroes are to Bowie etc...its unreasonable to think TR will ever come close to putting an album out that even comes close to those. Even TR would probably admit that.

[botley]

Ranking pieces of music on a scale, like it's some big scoreboard, is irritating and pointless.

[Khrz]

Yet a convenient way to express your preference for an album/artist over another. Just because the appreciation of art is subjective doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to express that subjectivity. It's an exercise in futility, indeed, but at least it gives a rough estimate of what you think of a particular piece comparatively to a culture or body of work...

[sheepdean]

Alot of great bands usually have an 8-10 year window where they are at their peak and then start sucking shit or becoming mediocre. NIN from 89-99, PHM, TDS and Fragile will always be to TR what Pornography, Disintegration, and Faith are to Robert Smith or what Black Celebration, Violator and Music for the Masses are to Depeche or what Low, Scary Monsters and Heroes are to Bowie etc...its unreasonable to think TR will ever come close to putting an album out that even comes close to those. Even TR would probably admit that.
Hey maybe you're right, Still/With Teeth/Year Zero/Ghosts/The Slip IS the best set of albums he's released.

[WorzelG]

Waiting patiently for that Jean Michel Jarre album to drop, where he's collaborated with Trent, Gary Numan and John Carpenterr separately

[sheepdean]

Richard "shit-stirrer" Patrick posted in a facebook group that the alt version of Supernaut really IS Al Jourgensen after all, and not TR's vocals modified which was what Al said most recently. Who the fuck is even on those versions

( https://www.facebook.com/groups/NINOurNothingNIN/permalink/841506635943721/?comment_id=841810185913366&offset=0&total_comments=7 )

[elevenism]

I was just listening to fame by David bowie really loud and it occurred to me that all time low is VERY similar. Also, botley , i think ranking albums is fun, as long as people realize that it's completely subjective. When people argue about this record or artist being better than that one as if it's some kind of quantifiable fact, it becomes irritating.

[Khrz]

Who the fuck is even on those versions

You know who it is, man...

Of all the people here, you know best...


Come on, spit it out...

*wink*

*WINK*

[elevenism]

It's josh with omega on backing vocals

[Khrz]

Omega actually made the intro speech after jourgensen asked her about music and drugs use. You can hear by the low quality of the recording that she was on the phone in a train station, in the middle of Alaska. She was 13 at the time and just hit puberty, as you can hear by the deep quality of her voice, in stark contrast to her previous performance a year earlier. It really was a weird time for Omega.

[BRoswell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg

[elevenism]

I really hope there is another nin pizza party tour. Also, people are REALLY strange. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, i REALLY don't. I am an insanely empathetic person. But that whole thing with omega was SO fucking weird. It utterly baffled me. Then again, maybe she knows something we don't. Maybe there ARE nin pizza parties. Maybe we just haven't been invited.

[fillow]

At least it was some good fiction.
If you know what I mean.

[implanted_microchip]

I really hope there is another nin pizza party tour. Also, people are REALLY strange. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, i REALLY don't. I am an insanely empathetic person. But that whole thing with omega was SO fucking weird. It utterly baffled me. Then again, maybe she knows something we don't. Maybe there ARE nin pizza parties. Maybe we just haven't been invited.

That entire story just makes me picture Trent at a Chuck E. Cheese's bickering with Richard Patrick over ski-ball tickets

[sheepdean]

That entire story just makes me picture Trent at a Chuck E. Cheese's bickering with Richard Patrick over ski-ball tickets
Five Nights at Piggy's

[BRoswell]

"Lost my cheese because of you..."

[elevenism]

At least it was some good fiction.
If you know what I mean. but WHY? What was her motive? I just can't wrap my mind around it.

[EndlessLoveless]

but WHY? What was her motive? I just can't wrap my mind around it.

maybe i misread it, but didnt she say right after she recorded it, they handed her a copy of it????? what?????

[allegro]

but WHY? What was her motive? I just can't wrap my mind around it.
In the history of ETS, this is what is known as "drift" and in the old days, discussions like this could get you a "warning bar" and then you'd get the dreaded "flood control."

[somethingelse]

:( Hmm yes, let's discuss the reasoning behind someone who is mentally unwell.

[sick among the pure]

Can we go back to NIN thoughts and not random person's story thoughts?

[sweeterthan]

Also, rank all the nin albums you want here: http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/showthread.php?t=421

[Halo Infinity]

I've sometimes thought of Copy Of A as the Starfuckers, Inc. of Hesitation Marks, since it probably covers topics such as selling out and ripping off in a somewhat sarcastic and satirical manner. This thought occurred to me more and more when I saw random comments pointing to the possibility of that context under videos of Copy Of A being performed at the Grammy Awards on YouTube, as well as the topics concerning selling out and ripping off in general among ETS and NIN.com. This is also aside from the idea that Trent is trying to figure out what to say after all the time that has passed as well, while questioning his purpose and relevance, which just adds more to the reasons why Copy Of A is easily one of my most favorite songs from Hesitation Marks.

I've also always thought that Copy Of A might've and most likely could've and should've been a potential single and music video back in late 2013 and early 2014.

-And for all I know, Copy Of A could've also been addressing piracy as well.-

[Khrz]

I've sometimes thought of Copy Of A as the Starfuckers, Inc. of Hesitation Marks

Dude you can't say that in that neighborhood, they're gonna rip your guts out and feast on your corpse for shit like this...

[emptydesk]

Richard "shit-stirrer" Patrick posted in a facebook group that the alt version of Supernaut really IS Al Jourgensen after all, and not TR's vocals modified which was what Al said most recently. Who the fuck is even on those versions

( https://www.facebook.com/groups/NINOurNothingNIN/permalink/841506635943721/?comment_id=841810185913366&offset=0&total_comments=7 )

If by "alt" you mean the original release on the 1000 HOMO DJs releases, it's Al.

Always struck me as clearly Al, and that the "voice mod" stuff was just different parties just being playful.

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

plus Trent being busy working on and promoting Gone Girl, plus family...
Plus whatever secret project he's working on for Apple. He's turning into the Energizer Bunny (with a better taste in instruments).


Every couple of months, I go back and watch the VEVO Tension show. It brings back such great memories. And you really forget just how fucking massive and amazing it all was.

The set is going to be worth the wait.
I do need to watch it again soon. Still haven't decided LITS vs Tension.


Well any album that isn't on a Daft Punk level of hype/fame is forgotten way earlier than one year later, and Reznor hasn't had that amount of attention since The Downward Spiral...
Before I wandered in here I was checking out the top ten NIN songs on Spotify. Closer has 11 million plays. HLAH, THTF and Hurt are all in the 4–5 million range.

One of the songs off the last Imagine Dragons album has 305 million plays. I mean, Jesus. NIN is always going to be a boutique band at this stage of its life.

Weirdly, Spotify's algorithm says the #5 NIN song right now is 13 Ghosts II. Where the hell did that come from? :confused:

[tony.parente]

So I forgot year zero was a thing, what an awesome album.

[WorzelG]

One of the songs off the last Imagine Dragons album has 305 million plays. I mean, Jesus. NIN is always going to be a boutique band at this stage of its life.

this makes me sad! One of the problems I have with counting streaming as towards the charts though, is that no one has invested actual money in that stream, I mean I give things on spotify a chance that I ended up hating so why should that count towards a bands chart success? I listen to some things on there because they've been complained about in the shitty music thread and I'm curious as to how bad they are

[sheepdean]

this makes me sad! One of the problems I have with counting streaming as towards the charts though, is that no one has invested actual money in that stream, I mean I give things on spotify a chance that I ended up hating so why should that count towards a bands chart success? I listen to some things on there because they've been complained about in the shitty music thread and I'm curious as to how bad they are
Do you not remember pre-digital music? I'd often (and sometimes still do) get an album or single without hearing it because something about the art or the band interested me, or on a recommendation. Music's still about discovery, and as the charts should reflect what people like, not just what people with disposable income are into this week, I think streams are a great way to reflect that.

[telee.kom]

I seriously need some NIN news to be excited about

[tony.parente]

sheepdean just accepted me into the nin our nothing page.

LOL OH BOY HERE WE GO

[sheepdean]

@sheepdean (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=350) just accepted me into the nin our nothing page.

LOL OH BOY HERE WE GO
Good luck. I apologise in advance.

[WorzelG]

^^^but you can't facepalm on Facebook!

[Khrz]

^ sheepdean has condemned tony.parente to a saccharine hell. Well done satan, well done...

[tony.parente]

^ @sheepdean (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=350) has condemned @tony.parente (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2107) to a saccharine hell. Well done satan, well done...
Haha NON can't be any worse than that wretched page. Nice folks but they have some creep tendencies.

[snaapz]

Been quiet.

[Vertigo]

Any NIN Facebook groups anyone would recommend?

[sweeterthan]

Any NIN Facebook groups anyone would recommend?

No. They're all terrible. I left one last week bc a grown ass woman called TR's wife a bitch.

[Khrz]

I almost facepalmed your post in an attempt to facepalm that guy...

[m15a]

Before I wandered in here I was checking out the top ten NIN songs on Spotify. Closer has 11 million plays. HLAH, THTF and Hurt are all in the 4–5 million range.

One of the songs off the last Imagine Dragons album has 305 million plays. I mean, Jesus. NIN is always going to be a boutique band at this stage of its life.

Well, Skinny Puppy's top ranked track has less than half a million . . so it's all relative. ;)


this makes me sad! One of the problems I have with counting streaming as towards the charts though, is that no one has invested actual money in that stream, I mean I give things on spotify a chance that I ended up hating so why should that count towards a bands chart success? I listen to some things on there because they've been complained about in the shitty music thread and I'm curious as to how bad they are

I guess even if you don't like the track, there's a commitment to experience ads or some fraction of a subscription service. At 1,500 streams per album equivalent, that's like half a cent to a cent of equivalent commitment per listen. Maybe that's too high? I dunno.

The chart isn't a measure of success or quality, though. It's a measure of commercial popularity.

EDIT: There's a "shitty music thread" on here? . . I feel like that's a part of the board I should avoid. :eek:

[Halo Infinity]

Any NIN Facebook groups anyone would recommend?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2209586182/

[WorzelG]

One of the songs off the last Imagine Dragons album has 305 million plays. I mean, Jesus. NIN is always going to be a boutique band at this stage of its life.

How long are Imagine Dragons going to be around for though? Are they going to be remembered beyond this decade?

[Khrz]

There's also the timeframe : NIN isn't as relevant as it once was, still more relevant than the Beatles, who are still more relevant than Beethoven... Would be interesting to compare different renowned artists from different epochs...
Not to mention that being a good artist doesn't make you a popular one, and vice versa...

[WorzelG]

There's also the timeframe : NIN isn't as relevant as it once was, still more relevant than the Beatles, who are still more relevant than Beethoven... Would be interesting to compare different renowned artists from different epochs...
Not to mention that being a good artist doesn't make you a popular one, and vice versa...
Not sure I'd agree with the Beatles thing, I'd say the Beatles will always have that historic relevance of being the first pop group. With NIN I think a song like Hurt will ensure more relevance than Imagine Dragons. I don't know what it is about them that rubs me up the wrong way, they just seem like some bunch of people from a music school who have been put together by a marketing team, they just seem really soulless and they have that drums gimmick

[Khrz]

Not sure I'd agree with the Beatles thing, I'd say the Beatles will always have that historic relevance of being the first pop group.

In the exclusive context of a platform such as Spotify though ? I'm not so sure about that. I wasn't talking about their relevance in the history of music here, we're talking about hits on a mobile platform. Historical importance has very little to do with popularity there, I think.
Edit : it's a matter of use and demographic : people who really care about the Beatles or Beethoven have records, vinyls or CDs. The people who listen to Imagine Dragons don't buy records. at best they bought the digital files, but more likely they listen to them on Youtube and Spotify, accounting for hundreds of millions of hits while we revisit Nine Inch Nails by playing our CDs or the files we ripped off those...
Why would I bother with Spotify when I have the whole discography, remixes and singles right above the speakers ?

[sheepdean]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2209586182/
Here's a fun fact for you:

I'm one of the earliest members of that group, back when it was a "fan page", before NIN had a FB presence. We had over 50k members, but when facebook switched people to groups, people had to opt-in to stay, and most people didn't. It's a shame because the community was pretty strong, but yeah, that's NIN FB prime basically.

[BRoswell]

For shits and giggles, I decided to sync up a performance of I'm Afraid Of Americans that David Bowie did in 2002 with the soundboard audio of the song from the Wave Goodbye tour. It was surprisingly easy to do, and it makes for a hell of a listen. It does make me kind of sad that Bowie couldn't (or didn't want to) make it to one of those "final" shows though.

[theimage13]

I heard Burn on the radio yesterday. I don't think I'd ever actually listened to the studio version before.

I was kind of surprised by how much the live version just kicked the recording's ass. No contest.

[nooneimportant]

I heard Burn on the radio yesterday. I don't think I'd ever actually listened to the studio version before.

I was kind of surprised by how much the live version just kicked the recording's ass. No contest.

Alot of NIN songs tend to be that way...

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

How long are Imagine Dragons going to be around for though? Are they going to be remembered beyond this decade?
I'm not sure anything from this decade has much staying power.


There's also the timeframe : NIN isn't as relevant as it once was, still more relevant than the Beatles, who are still more relevant than Beethoven... Would be interesting to compare different renowned artists from different epochs...

Not sure I'd agree with the Beatles thing, I'd say the Beatles will always have that historic relevance of being the first pop group.

In the exclusive context of a platform such as Spotify though ? I'm not so sure about that. I wasn't talking about their relevance in the history of music here, we're talking about hits on a mobile platform. Historical importance has very little to do with popularity there, I think.
And the fact that the Beatles aren't on Spotify — or anything else that isn't iTunes — just muddies things even more. It's not a level playing field yet.

The thing about streaming is that you earn some cash every time your song gets played, as if we're all little radio stations now. Contrast that with selling a $14.99 CD that will never earn you another cent no matter how much it gets played. But the royalties need to go up, and the middlemen (the labels) need to have their balls removed so they can't reproduce.

[sheepdean]

And the fact that the Beatles aren't on Spotify — or anything else that isn't iTunes — just muddies things even more. It's not a level playing field yet.
But that's always been the problem. If an artist can be on more than one of the mediums of the time - CD, Tape, Minidisc, Sheet music, 8-track, Vinyl, Download, Stream - they have an advantage.

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

But that's always been the problem. If an artist can be on more than one of the mediums of the time - CD, Tape, Minidisc, Sheet music, 8-track, Vinyl, Download, Stream - they have an advantage.
But did anyone refuse to put their music out on 8-track because there wasn't enough money in it? :p

[sheepdean]

But did anyone refuse to put their music out on 8-track because there wasn't enough money in it? :p
Yes! Artists have refused mediums before (many refused CD at first), and hell people even resisted recorded music. Streaming isn't great for artists, sure, but the beatles are rich cunts so who cares about the remaining ones having a few million more

[tony.parente]

I can't thank sheepdean enough for allowing me into nin our nothing.

[sheepdean]

I can't thank @sheepdean (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=350) enough for allowing me into nin our nothing.
you are a terrible person

[The_Prowler]

Anyone here read Cracked.com? If you haven't (or you do but missed the article), here's something that might tickle your fancy.

One of their columnists, Gladstone, is a huge David Bowie fan and also a big Nine Inch Nails fan. Apparently a few of the columnists there are NIN fans because Trent has either been mentioned or directly written about in dozens of articles over the years (I remember them writing about Trent telling Australia to steal his music online). Anyway, a while back Gladstone wrote an article called The Four Ballsiest Career Moves By Famous Musicians (http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-4-ballsiest-career-moves-by-famous-musicians/) where he talks about Bowie's reinvention in the 90s and his tour with Nine Inch Nails. Of course, he actually went to see one of the shows and talks about how amazing it was, and I shall be forever jealous of anyone that got to see it.

It's a pretty great read, and Gladstone is definitely one of my favorite writers on the site.

[Krazy]

A thought, or even question, that just got me thinking. There was a link here regarding I think it was the Dresden Dolls who said they got $500 per show for opening up for NIN.

I wonder what Trent pays the other musicians during tours, I doubt it's split up evenly. There was a Q&A during the last Tool tour for the VIP packages with Adam Jones and someone asked him how the money gets split up, and said it split up equally between the 4 members.

[sheepdean]

A thought, or even question, that just got me thinking. There was a link here regarding I think it was the Dresden Dolls who said they got $500 per show for opening up for NIN.

I wonder what Trent pays the other musicians during tours, I doubt it's split up evenly. There was a Q&A during the last Tool tour for the VIP packages with Adam Jones and someone asked him how the money gets split up, and said it split up equally between the 4 members.
It would never be split evenly, no artist would do that except maybe The Coup (yay for communism).

[m15a]

It would never be split evenly, no artist would do that except maybe The Coup (yay for communism).
Unless I'm misunderstanding, Krazy was asking how much Trent vs. the other touring members of NIN earn. I'm guessing not equal since Trent hires the rest of the band. I'd guess that's the same as The Coup with Boots Riley vs whoever plays with him in concert. (Although the time I saw The Coup, it was a free concert on some small street, so maybe they all made $0?)

[Krazy]

Unless I'm misunderstanding, Krazy was asking how much Trent vs. the other touring members of NIN earn. I'm guessing not equal since Trent hires the rest of the band. I'd guess that's the same as The Coup with Boots Riley vs whoever plays with him in concert. (Although the time I saw The Coup, it was a free concert on some small street, so maybe they all made $0?)

Yes, thanks. Just kind of curious and don't expect an answer since I doubt the actual answer is floating out there (ie TR openly tells or told someone in an interview).

I have no reason not to believe Adam Jones saying they split the touring profits equally between the 4. What they get equally for everything is probably something different- for example AJ is heavily involved in Tool's artwork, etc.

EDIT: obviously NIN is a unique situation, so just wondering how the numbers get divided.

[Ryan]

Yes, thanks. Just kind of curious and don't expect an answer since I doubt the actual answer is floating out there (ie TR openly tells or told someone in an interview).

I have no reason not to believe Adam Jones saying they split the touring profits equally between the 4. What they get equally for everything is probably something different- for example AJ is heavily involved in Tool's artwork, etc.

EDIT: obviously NIN is a unique situation, so just wondering how the numbers get divided.

They get divided in your ass.

[Krazy]

They get divided in your ass.

I wasn't asking where the transaction occurs- I obviously know where THAT happens. :P

[WorzelG]

I wasn't asking where the transaction occurs- I obviously know where THAT happens. :P
Remember that time Charlie Clouser came and had a rant on the old ETS forum? Pretty sure he mentioned that Chris Vrenna wanted more of a piece of the action and that he was on $60k at the time in 1994 I would guess - not a bad wage?, though I've got no frame of reference of course, but if they felt underpaid they should tell him to fuck off and get a job elsewhere

[Krazy]

Remember that time Charlie Clouser came and had a rant on the old ETS forum? Pretty sure he mentioned that Chris Vrenna wanted more of a piece of the action and that he was on $60k at the time in 1994 I would guess - not a bad wage?, though I've got no frame of reference of course, but if they felt underpaid they should tell him to fuck off and get a job elsewhere

Honestly, no!!! Please do tell. As big a fan as I'd like to think I am I really didn't start following anything or gone to forums via the NINternet til around 2008 for whatever reason. Probably just because I didn't have access to it 24/7.

Assuming all expenses were paid during touring, $60k/year would've been quite a bit of money 20+ years ago. Whether it's "fair" I've no clue.

[WorzelG]

Honestly, no!!! Please do tell. As big a fan as I'd like to think I am I really didn't start following anything or gone to forums via the NINternet til around 2008 for whatever reason. Probably just because I didn't have access to it 24/7.

Assuming all expenses were paid during touring, $60k/year would've been quite a bit of money 20+ years ago. Whether it's "fair" I've no clue.
It's all archived here, including the photos that I assume Charlie Clouser put up to prove his identity. I wasn't around till 2007 on the forum, but somebody must have mentioned it and linked in a conversation. Enjoy, it's pretty funny

http://ninfrance.free.fr/textes/articles/060322JeromeCharlieVsTrent/gindex.htm

It's kind of weird how much drama there has been in NIN considering all the band members are hired hands.

[Krazy]

I did not know Charlie Clouser spoke Ebonics and/or was black.

LOL @ his Magnum SRT-8. 425hp at the crank, yo!!!

[allegro]

Honestly, no!!! Please do tell. As big a fan as I'd like to think I am I really didn't start following anything or gone to forums via the NINternet til around 2008 for whatever reason. Probably just because I didn't have access to it 24/7.

Assuming all expenses were paid during touring, $60k/year would've been quite a bit of money 20+ years ago. Whether it's "fair" I've no clue.

It appears that the $60k/yr was for helping to mix/write albums and be TR's assistant all year, even when TR wasn't doing anything. Read Clouser's rant carefully (maybe I can read fake AAVE better because I'm from Detroit).

re tours: I believe supporting band members are paid a set salary based on the number of shows and length of tour, plus they are given dinner each night and their travel expenses are covered.

[r_z]

That Clouser posting is hilarious.

[Khrz]

That whole era was hilarious and terrible. If I remember correctly, after/during that a few fake accounts popped up impersonating various band members, adding to the confusion of lurkers like me...

[fillow]

What's Clouser doing now anyway? It seems as if he completely removed himself from any music making since that Saw series ended.

[WorzelG]

What's Clouser doing now anyway? It seems as if he completely removed himself from any music making since that Saw series ended.
I thought he did the music for some programme called American something or other recently, American horror story Is that a thing?

[r_z]

yes. he did the theme song playing over the intro.

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

This gave a me a totally random NIN thought.

http://cdn.sheldoncomics.com/strips/main/150126_1422299057.png

Ending seems about right.

[Krazy]

After many years I just now decided to give Still a second chance. I was never into the "remix" albums or stuff that already had songs from previous releases, although I think Things Falling Apart is listenable (along with its new songs).

:O

Damn I missed out on Still, but glad to hear it fresh now. AATCHB, and The Persistence of Loss are fucking amazing. Really love SICNH as well, one of my faves but the PHM version is slightly eno-whiney to me after all these years. Digging The Becoming too, and TF is solid.

[sheepdean]

After many years I just now decided to give Still a second chance. I was never into the "remix" albums or stuff that already had songs from previous releases, although I think Things Falling Apart is listenable (along with its new songs).

:O

Damn I missed out on Still, but glad to hear it fresh now. AATCHB, and The Persistence of Loss are fucking amazing. Really love SICNH as well, one of my faves but the PHM version is slightly eno-whiney to me after all these years. Digging The Becoming too, and TF is solid.
All content on Still is original and it has no remixes though - have you also avoided the CRC Sessions & Peter Murphy sessions?

[m15a]

Peter Murphy sessions

What? . . . ::googling:: . . . ::googling:: . . .

How does one obtain this!?

[sheepdean]

What? . . . ::googling:: . . . ::googling:: . . .

How does one obtain this!?
http://ninlive.com/archives/2006.html

The 4 shows under Summer With Teeth Tour Radio Shows w/ Peter Murphy.


​Warning: they are amazing

[Krazy]

All content on Still is original and it has no remixes though - have you also avoided the CRC Sessions & Peter Murphy sessions?

"or stuff that already had songs from previous releases"

^^^ I also put that into my post. Just never been much of a fan of things that were already "done".

I know about the CRC sessions but haven't looked into them- will do so soon. Honestly not a fan of Peter Murphy so may skip that, but time permitting will look into it.

[sheepdean]

"or stuff that already had songs from previous releases"

^^^ I also put that into my post. Just never been much of a fan of things that were already "done".

I know about the CRC sessions but haven't looked into them- will do so soon. Honestly not a fan of Peter Murphy so may skip that, but time permitting will look into it.
Well they're not from previous releases, they're reinterpretations - I thought you meant how TDS DE has Burn or TFA has 10MH.
CRC is pretty much Still 0.1, the Murphy sessions have a lot of shared vocals, they're worth dipping into

[Shnoorum]

I haven't been on here for a while so this may have already been discussed but does anyone else think there may be a collaboration in the works between Trent Reznor and Josh Homme? They both went dark roughly about the same time they were touring together and there was mention somewhere in an interview with Josh about a top secret collaboration in the works with someone. Once again sorry if this has been brought up but figured I'd post this incase anyone else thinks the same

[sheepdean]

I haven't been on here for a while so this may have already been discussed but does anyone else think there may be a collaboration in the works between Trent Reznor and Josh Homme? They both went dark roughly about the same time they were touring together and there was mention somewhere in an interview with Josh about a top secret collaboration in the works with someone. Once again sorry if this has been brought up but figured I'd post this incase anyone else thinks the same
Are you talking about Mantra by Sound City? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BNW1H0Q/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B00BNW1H0Q&linkCode=as2&tag=sheepdeantumb-21&linkId=IOKICH22Y5IIGQGM

[Shnoorum]

Are you talking about Mantra by Sound City? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BNW1H0Q/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B00BNW1H0Q&linkCode=as2&tag=sheepdeantumb-21&linkId=IOKICH22Y5IIGQGM

No I don't think so. I believe it was a more recent interview although I could be mistaken. I'll see if I can find the article and post it here

[sheepdean]

No I don't think so. I believe it was a more recent interview although I could be mistaken. I'll see if I can find the article and post it here
Maybe the Grammy Performance?

[Shnoorum]

Here we go. I think this is the article. October 2014. The paragraph that starts in bold font "Josh has no plans" somewhere near the bottom. Or alt+f Collab, either way. http://www.laweekly.com/music/queens-of-the-stone-ages-josh-homme-is-our-last-real-rock-star-5162538

It may be completely unrelated but I would very much like to be right on this one.

[Ryan]

After many years I just now decided to give Still a second chance. I was never into the "remix" albums or stuff that already had songs from previous releases, although I think Things Falling Apart is listenable (along with its new songs).

:O

Damn I missed out on Still, but glad to hear it fresh now. AATCHB, and The Persistence of Loss are fucking amazing. Really love SICNH as well, one of my faves but the PHM version is slightly eno-whiney to me after all these years. Digging The Becoming too, and TF is solid.

y u no mention Leaving Hope? That's the best NIN material.

[Krazy]

y u no mention Leaving Hope? That's the best NIN material.

Do not know señor Ryan, but probably because I find AATCHB and The Persistence of Loss to be such stand out tracks.

I got around to re-watching the Still videos last night too, and that maybe why I got cold feet with Still- I think they're underwhelming (both visually and musically, IMHO).

[Khrz]

It may be completely unrelated but I would very much like to be right on this one.

Well there's a lot of quiet bromance between the two since at least Era Vulgaris and their circles heavily overlap, I think a real collaboration is bound to happen, hopefully a bit more fleshed out than recurring appearances on each other's tracks.
Although I'm quite happy that ...Like Clockwork hasn't been produced by Reznor as Homme wished it would. There's a delicate balance on this record and I'm not sure that Reznor's production style would have done it justice. He's great an intricacies, but that's not the same as subtlety. I really hope they'll actually do something together some day, but I'm kinda glad that album wasn't it.

[WorzelG]

Do not know señor Ryan, but probably because I find AATCHB and The Persistence of Loss to be such stand out tracks.

I got around to re-watching the Still videos last night too, and that maybe why I got cold feet with Still- I think they're underwhelming (both visually and musically, IMHO).
What the hell? The energy on The Becoming is amazing, even though TR is just sat at a piano

[implanted_microchip]

Well there's a lot of quiet bromance between the two since at least Era Vulgaris and their circles heavily overlap, I think a real collaboration is bound to happen, hopefully a bit more fleshed out than recurring appearances on each other's tracks.
Although I'm quite happy that ...Like Clockwork hasn't been produced by Reznor as Homme wished it would. There's a delicate balance on this record and I'm not sure that Reznor's production style would have done it justice. He's great an intricacies, but that's not the same as subtlety. I really hope they'll actually do something together some day, but I'm kinda glad that album wasn't it.


Oh absolutely, nothing about Like Clockwork needs to be changed at all. The people that worked on it were perfect for it and I'm so glad Trent was busy with other things because not a note on it makes me think "I wish they'd done ___ differently."

If they both made a side project together where they made an entire album as a group effort I'd be in love, for sure. I'm almost surprised they haven't by now, they're both very ambitious musicians who are more willing to try risks and mess around now than ever.

[Ryan]

Do not know señor Ryan, but probably because I find AATCHB and The Persistence of Loss to be such stand out tracks.

I got around to re-watching the Still videos last night too, and that maybe why I got cold feet with Still- I think they're underwhelming (both visually and musically, IMHO).

You are Krazy.

[screwdriver]

Well there's a lot of quiet bromance between the two since at least Era Vulgaris and their circles heavily overlap, I think a real collaboration is bound to happen, hopefully a bit more fleshed out than recurring appearances on each other's tracks.
Although I'm quite happy that ...Like Clockwork hasn't been produced by Reznor as Homme wished it would. There's a delicate balance on this record and I'm not sure that Reznor's production style would have done it justice. He's great an intricacies, but that's not the same as subtlety. I really hope they'll actually do something together some day, but I'm kinda glad that album wasn't it.

that could not have been better said

that said, give me a Reznor remix album of Like Clockwork any day

[hobochic]

"Reznor" remix albums used to be great when people like P. Christopherson, J. Balance, Danny Hyde, Chris Vrenna and Thirlwell were involved (to name a few). Reznor alone remixing stuff has usually resulted in anticlimactic and dare I say, generic "compressed/canned air" loops.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGxtJH4oOvE

[screwdriver]

"Reznor" remix albums used to be great when people like P. Christopherson, J. Balance, Danny Hyde, Chris Vrenna and Thirlwell were involved (to name a few). Reznor alone remixing stuff has usually resulted in anticlimactic and dare I say, generic "compressed/canned air" loops.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGxtJH4oOvE

The NIN Perfect Drug remix begs to differ

[fillow]

There are not many Reznor-solo remixes to begin with. I only can think of Vertigo, a couple of hip hip tracks from around the same time (Lapdance and forgot what else), The Hearts Filthy Lesson... I'm sure there are others, but mostly it was several people from NIN/Nothing collective together.
i also thought that TPD NIN remix is actually done by TR and Keith Hillebrandt together, no?

[sheepdean]

There are not many Reznor-solo remixes to begin with.
I count 20

Machines of Loving Grace - "Burnt Offering" and "Burn Like Brilliant Trash"
Megadeth - "Symphony Of Destruction (The Gristle Mix)"
Queen - "Stone Cold Crazy" and "Tie Your Mother Down"
Curve - "Missing Link (Screaming Bird Mix)"
Butthole Surfers - "Who Was In My Room Last Night (Trent Reznor Remix)"
Marilyn Manson - Mother Inferior Got Her Gunn (Trent Reznor Remix)"
KMFDM - "Light (Fat Back Dub) remix"
David Bowie - "The Heart's Filthy Lesson (Alt Mix)" and "I'm Afraid Of Americans (V1, V2, V3, V4 and V6 Mixes)
Puff Daddy & The Family - "Victory (Nine Inch Nails Remix)"
Killing Joke - "Democracy"
N.E.R.D. - "Lapdance (Trent Reznor Remix)"
Peter Gabriel - "Growing Up"
U2 - Vertigo

[implanted_microchip]

There are not many Reznor-solo remixes to begin with. I only can think of Vertigo, a couple of hip hip tracks from around the same time (Lapdance and forgot what else), The Hearts Filthy Lesson... I'm sure there are others, but mostly it was several people from NIN/Nothing collective together.
i also thought that TPD NIN remix is actually done by TR and Keith Hillebrandt together, no?

Wasn't he the only person involved in his remix of that one Queen song? Also, and Sean Beavan and someone else were involved, but he was behind the Closer to God remix as well.

[emptydesk]

Man, those Queen remixes are godawful. No wonder they were so hard to nab back in the day.

Suspect they were more for a "hire me for production contracts, record companies" deal than public consumption.

[sheepdean]

Man, those Queen remixes are godawful. No wonder they were so hard to nab back in the day.
BURN THE HERETIC

I fucking love those mixes, my favourite band remixed by one of my favourite artists

[emptydesk]

I'm the heretic for objecting to the removal of Brian May from a Queen song?

[sheepdean]

I'm the heretic for objecting to the removal of Brian May from a Queen song?
Considering what May has added to Queen lately, there's worse things that can happen :P

And I can clearly hear May in both remixes, which are you referring to?

[emptydesk]

The ones where the majority of his work was removed and replaced with a lot of the same samples and kits we end up hearing on TDS.


By which I mean either.

[emptydesk]

I'm not against appropriation and remixing, but it's not like I'm going to act like I'm enjoying a remix of "Rocks Off" by the Stones just because Brian Eno (insert your own sacred cow if you must) might have done it.

[WorzelG]

The ones where the majority of his work was removed and replaced with a lot of the same samples and kits we end up hearing on TDS.


By which I mean either.I
Isnt that the point of a remix? To sound different and have the stamp of the remixer?

[emptydesk]

And also to merit itself beyond that, one would hope.

I mean, we still talk about the Bowie nin-remixes because they've practically entered nin canon by virtue of their liveliness and truly collaborative nature. These Queen remixes sound really flat, with MercVox just slapped on them.

[sheepdean]

And also to merit itself beyond that, one would hope.

I mean, we still talk about the Bowie nin-remixes because they've practically entered nin canon by virtue of their liveliness and truly collaborative nature. These Queen remixes sound really flat, with MercVox just slapped on them.
We only have TYMD from a cassette at its best recording, it's not gonna sound great.

[WorzelG]

And also to merit itself beyond that, one would hope.

I mean, we still talk about the Bowie nin-remixes because they've practically entered nin canon by virtue of their liveliness and truly collaborative nature. These Queen remixes sound really flat, with MercVox just slapped on them.
I presume you like the cover of 'get down make love'?

[FULLMETAL]

We only have TYMD from a cassette at its best recording, it's not gonna sound great.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UygfO4pXNn0

For a cassette, it sounds pretty damn good to me.

[sheepdean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UygfO4pXNn0

For a cassette, it sounds pretty damn good to me.
There's a FLAC rip of the tape if you only have it in this quality. And eh, it's still notably flat.

[fillow]

I count 20

Machines of Loving Grace - "Burnt Offering" and "Burn Like Brilliant Trash"
Megadeth - "Symphony Of Destruction (The Gristle Mix)"
Queen - "Stone Cold Crazy" and "Tie Your Mother Down"
Curve - "Missing Link (Screaming Bird Mix)"
Butthole Surfers - "Who Was In My Room Last Night (Trent Reznor Remix)"
Marilyn Manson - Mother Inferior Got Her Gunn (Trent Reznor Remix)"
KMFDM - "Light (Fat Back Dub) remix"
David Bowie - "The Heart's Filthy Lesson (Alt Mix)" and "I'm Afraid Of Americans (V1, V2, V3, V4 and V6 Mixes)
Puff Daddy & The Family - "Victory (Nine Inch Nails Remix)"
Killing Joke - "Democracy"
N.E.R.D. - "Lapdance (Trent Reznor Remix)"
Peter Gabriel - "Growing Up"
U2 - Vertigo
See, this list is not only TR-solo remixes.
Curve remix is TR+Flood.
I'm Afraid Of Americans versions involved TR, Dave Rave Ogilvie, Danny Lohner, Keith Hillebrandt and Charlie 'Nucca' Clouser in various combinations.
Killing Joke "Democracy" is Danny+Charlie+Ogilvie, no TR on it at all.
Some other mixes also mention Vrenna as assistant.

[Khrz]

See, this list is not only TR-solo remixes.
Curve remix is TR+Flood.
I'm Afraid Of Americans versions involved TR, Dave Rave Ogilvie, Danny Lohner, Keith Hillebrandt and Charlie 'Nucca' Clouser in various combinations.
Killing Joke "Democracy" is Danny+Charlie+Ogilvie, no TR on it at all.
Some other mixes also mention Vrenna as assistant.

Well if we're going to nitpick, Vrenna was an assistant to everything, included ordering thai food and watching Reznor play Quake, and being mentioned on a remix could pretty much entail "made the funny whiiiz sound effect you hear in the intro" or "painstakingly assembled the various loops, samples and tracks all week long while everyone was drunk as fuck in the pool"...

So yeah, there's no way to tell which remix is mostly Reznor's, and which hasn't been touched by him at all...

[sheepdean]

Well if we're going to nitpick, Vrenna was an assistant to everything, included ordering thai food and watching Reznor play Quake, and being mentioned on a remix could pretty much entail "made the funny whiiiz sound effect you hear in the intro" or "painstakingly assembled the various loops, samples and tracks all week long while everyone was drunk as fuck in the pool"...
Not to mention, I'm sure some stuff that was TR only wasn't, like someone gave him an idea or even the original artist had input

[hobochic]

"made the funny whiiiz sound effect you hear in the intro" or "painstakingly assembled the various loops, samples and tracks all week long while everyone was drunk as fuck in the pool"...


All those "funny" whiiz sound effects, samples and loops were pretty much what made NIN's sound back in the 90's. Not to take anything away from TR cause he's the obvious NIN song mastermind, but he's always needed great producers to elevate his demos from what we've heard to the final sound. I remember reading interviews of how Vrenna spent weeks or months watching old horror and scifi movies to pick out samples that were later used for TDS. Vrenna had an ear for what the TDS demos needed and you can hear Vrenna's touch on a lot of remixes aside from the album work.

Reznor publicly calling Vrenna the "janitor" felt silly, considering the work Chris put into the NIN sound.

[Khrz]

Yeah well I don't hold Clean Reznor responsible for what Drunk Teitan spouted back then. There was a lot of stupid drama behind closed doors, and all we know about that is due to some shouting making its way into public forums.
I agree though, even though there was a lot of recycling, which is also why NIN's sound is so recognizable, especially if we're still talking about remixes. People complain about how the recent remixing efforts aren't as good as those from the Broken/TDS era, but back then it was much more iterative, while current remixes all come from a different approach, have different treatment, and are reworked differently. I love Further Down The Spiral, but what makes it sound so cohesive is the fact that there's a lot of redundancy.

[WorzelG]

^^^except that if ETS started in 2002, that was after he kicked the drugs? I put that bitching down to insecurity of the doom project fucking up, tapeworm turning into nothing, one hour photo score rejection, fight with manager etc. Before starting With Teeth too, so he was probably feeling pretty shitty despite kicking the drugs

[screwdriver]

newsflash:
there is nothing in the NIN canon that is "purely" Reznor. every single project he's done he's had help from people, whether Vrenna, Flood, Moulder, Ross, or any number of other collaborators. He's an auteur who brings all of this stuff together to his vision.

[nooneimportant]

Speaking of Doom, I came across this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=douuiUdyGEI

The sound work he did was in early builds and lives on for players to add to their game. Also, it sounds like Trent grunting at 1:25.

[sheepdean]

newsflash:
there is nothing in the NIN canon that is "purely" Reznor. every single project he's done he's had help from people, whether Vrenna, Flood, Moulder, Ross, or any number of other collaborators. He's an auteur who brings all of this stuff together to his vision.
He didn't even come up with the band logo by himself

[p_rez17]

Anyone else think this space looks similar to the NIN2013 rehearsal space? Especially the black shape hanging on the wall?
http://instagram.com/p/yqXaICNuGd/

[theruiner]

I listened to "Just Like You Imagined" for the first time in a long time yesterday and holy CRAP is that song amazing. Like, I don't remember ever liking it that much but now I love it.

I am also kind of shocked by the fact that it's been 15 years but that album is STILL growing on me. It wasn't until last year that I finally came around on "No, You Don't" (a song I now love) and it wasn't until the last couple of years that I have really started to appreciate it. I always liked it, but now it's one of my favorite albums. I don't know how it took so long.