Random NIN Thoughts

[Fadeout54321]

It wasn't recorded because they couldn't come to an agreement with the venue about it. I can't remember the exact details, but I think it had something to do with the venue wanting to charge them a bunch of money to do it. Someone who remembers better than I do can chime in on that.

This sounds familiar. I could be wrong but I feel like the band put something out there telling people to bring recording equipment because of this. There's a chance that was another show and I am not remembering correctly but I think that was a thing.

[trollmanen]

It wasn't recorded because they couldn't come to an agreement with the venue about it. I can't remember the exact details, but I think it had something to do with the venue wanting to charge them a bunch of money to do it. Someone who remembers better than I do can chime in on that.

That sounds somewhat familiar, but it's weird that if the venue wouldn't allow the band to record, that they let fans do it openly. Either way, we have a great document of that performance anyway with the TOIOU release.

[otnavuskire]

I believe it was Live Nation that was insisting on getting paid to film for that one. They (or someone like them) owned the rights to film there or something like that.

[blassster]

One of the coolest pictures of TR, spin Jan 00

https://app.box.com/representation/file_version_137204305577/image_2048/1.png?shared_name=4jkylkooz96rw5zhwsy27vz6du82a0c0 The Sandman

[thefragile_jake]

I keep wondering what the heck a Deviations 2 would be.

Considering we're two years away from the 30th anniversary of the Downward Spiral—would be pretty cool to see a TDS: Deviations ... but, I don't think that's in the cards.

[tony.parente]

I keep wondering what the heck a Deviations 2 would be.

Considering we're two years away from the 30th anniversary of the Downward Spiral—would be pretty cool to see a TDS: Deviations ... but, I don't think that's in the cards.

I have a feeling there is some more Fragile stuff lying around and that's why it was labeled Deviations 1. There was a ton of previously unreleased tracks that were labeled as instrumental on there so I 100% believe the intent is to release a The Fragile: Deviations 2 sometime before the next century. (maybe lol)

[thefragile_jake]

I have a feeling there is some more Fragile stuff lying around and that's why it was labeled Deviations 1. There was a ton of previously unreleased tracks that were labeled as instrumental on there so I 100% believe the intent is to release a The Fragile: Deviations 2 sometime before the next century. (maybe lol)

Actually, that's a really good point — it's not like it was Deviations: The Fragile ... so there could be more Fragile era material worth exploring in additional releases, whatever that might end up looking like lol

[tony.parente]

Actually, that's a really good point — it's not like it was Deviations: The Fragile ... so there could be more Fragile era material worth exploring in additional releases, whatever that might end up looking like lol
Gonna release 2-3 deviations and then a separate box to make your own deluxe edition out of everything lol

[BRoswell]

I always thought that the number indicated there would be further releases, but not connected to The Fragile. I figured any future Deviations would be related to the vinyl re-releases, so Deviations 2 would be With Teeth, Deviations 3 would be Year Zero, etc. Obviously since the With Teeth re-release has come and gone without another Deviations release, that little theory of mine has fallen apart.

[thefragile_jake]

Thinking ahead to 2023 and beyond, I think it's safe to assume that the current live performance format in more intimate venues is probably going to be the NIN staple for anything tour wise.

If something changed and they did go back to a stadium route, I wonder if Trent would opt for doing a similar double bill like they did with Soundgarden back in 2014?... or does that seem passé? Maybe with bands that could be an interesting double bill of different styles? Sort of like Dissonance back in the day.

I bring this up cause last weekend I got back from a trip to Nashville where my wife's family got us tickets for Red Hot Chili Peppers, and I'm not the biggest RHCP fan by a long shot but the Strokes and Thundercat opened and I love the both of them.

Honestly, I'm all in favor of keeping the CB&I format as the standard. Makes for a fun road trip, and unpredictability when it comes to what you'll see date to date.

[ryanmcfly]

Honestly don’t think there’s a band that I’m okay with NIN doing a coheadlining tour with outside of maybe RATM. Hopefully the intimate settings are permanent.

[thefragile_jake]

Man, and even RATM would be a no from me lol. Yeah, agreeing with you in hoping intimate settings are permanent.

[ryanmcfly]

Man, and even RATM would be a no from me lol. Yeah, agreeing with you in hoping intimate settings are permanent.

agreed. Would rather see Rage at their own show or a fest with NIN.

[GastonKappa]

What if Mariqueen was in NIN?

[botley]

What if Mariqueen was in NIN?

TR could stay home with the kids.

[amplific]

What if Mariqueen was in NIN?

100% would be into this (although one could argue her inclusion via the live take of She's Gone Away at the Roadhouse)

[BRoswell]

What if Mariqueen was in NIN?

A girl? In Nine Inch Nails? The manliest of man bands? Perish the thought!

I've enjoyed her guest performances, especially since it seems that How To Destroy Angels is dead at this point. However, I'm not sure how she would fit in as a permanent fixture in the band. She's mainly a vocalist, and aside from doing HTDA songs and backing vocals, there wouldn't be a lot for her to do. She doesn't have the range that Lisa Fischer and Sharlotte Gibson had (not a criticism, just an observation), so it would probably be hard for her to participate in that way.

[m0reta]

Pretty sure MQ knows her way around Moogs n' shit. She can riff around with the rest of the gang on stage. Everybody shares vocal duties these days anyways.

[thefragile_jake]

The live version of Closer with the Only Time breakdown, has been performed more than the original version without it and that still feels weird to me.

[Khrz]

Pretty sure MQ knows her way around Moogs n' shit. She can riff around with the rest of the gang on stage. Everybody shares vocal duties these days anyways.

Yeah, didn't MQ share pictures of her composing music on her own ? I'm pretty sure calling her merely a vocalist is underselling her contribution to HTDA and her potential on stage.

[BRoswell]

Yeah, didn't MQ share pictures of her composing music on her own ? I'm pretty sure calling her merely a vocalist is underselling her contribution to HTDA and her potential on stage.

I didn't say that she was merely a vocalist, but that is what she's known for primarily. I'm aware that she can do other things as well, and I'm not against the idea of her being brought in (hence my joke), but my point is that I don't really see where she would fit in with the current lineup. She could play synths, but Atticus and Alessandro already have that area covered.

[Khrz]

She could play synths, but Atticus and Alessandro already have that area covered.

I mean, that was the same configuration in HTDA. At this point being part of NIN is whatever Reznor deems necessary or interesting, whether we're talking studio or stage I don't see any reason why MQ couldn't be part of it, that's all. Just because one has specific skills doesn't make them a specialist, purely assigned to their designated instrument or role. At least it doesn't seem to be that way in this band.

[MrLobster]

1997 Trent Reznor lives on in The Sandman Netflix series... (especially episode 6)

[trollmanen]

It is interesting to think about what form NIN shows will take in the future. I think continuing the size venues they've been playing since 2017 seems likely, only because if they did jump back to arenas, which they could obviously still sell well enough to fill them, they'd have to create a bigger stage show. It kinda felt like after Rob left, and maybe it's just a coincidence, that he's taken a more lo-fi approach to the show, which allows for much more fluid setlists, which fans obviously enjoy more than knowing the setlist will remain mostly the same night to night.

[bobbie solo]

I wouldn't mind a mix of big arena shows with a crazy stage show, then paired down shows like we've been getting the last few years. Those big arena tours with static setlists would be easier to get tix to, and I wouldn't feel compelled to go to as many shows as I do now.

[BRoswell]

As much as I've enjoyed them, I'm kind of glad they've abandoned the big visuals for the last couple tours. It's brought things back to how it was during the early days of the band. It's become much more about the performance than the light show, and I feel like they've been able to do some cool stuff with a more minimal setup. They've certainly been able to play more stuff and mix it up a bit. I also don't think they want to keep participating in the big arena show wars, with each tour getting bigger and more elaborate. Let's be honest: if people just want a big effects spectacle, they're probably not going to a Nine Inch Nails show at this point.

[botley]

I mean, there are also going to be a select few disappointed by the lack of grandiose spectacle. The 2008–2014 era was legendary (rightly so) for the visuals, and I did hear a bit of post-show chatter in the Radio City Music Hall lobby that someone had brought their kid to the show thinking it was going to be more like that, and they were more than a bit confused by what they got.

[GulDukat]

I think NIN should cover "Land of Confusion" by Genesis.

[laci]

Just checked the website of Sound City Studios (https://soundcitystudios.net/recordings-by-year) and found out that The Slip was recorded there. Never heard it before. Wow....

[trollmanen]

Just checked the website of Sound City Studios (https://soundcitystudios.net/recordings-by-year) and found out that The Slip was recorded there. Never heard it before. Wow....

Just like for With Teeth, it was probably just recording the drums there. Josh Freese is credited for performance on The Slip, but I don't think it's noted which songs specifically he played on.

[laci]

Just like for With Teeth, it was probably just recording the drums there. Josh Freese is credited for performance on The Slip, but I don't think it's noted which songs specifically he played on.

Yes, that was my idea too. They probably just recorded the drums there.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Did I imagine that they only recorded samples and then Trent built the drums with Addictive Drums?

[Tiger_Stealth]

The way Trent says "I'm going to make a withdrawal" at the end of the Deep music video reminds me of how Ryan Gosling says "I drive" in the movie Drive and it's cracking me up for some reason.

[blassster]

Since The Gathering of the Nine (and the later concert), I've been thinking about NIN more than I have in a while. I'm talking about thoughts while doing random things around the house, taking a dump, etc. Mostly because I haven't liked much of the stuff from the EP trilogy and the later soundtracks I've heard (skipped some for the movies I didn't care to see - I know, some day I'll listen).

Still, NIN will always be my #1. Even with what I've said above and the songs not hitting me so strongly, I still recognize that TR/AR are at the top of their game. There's new stuff that I really do like (Locusts is incredible, for example).

But now I just want every one of them to get in the same studio together for a full album. For me I'd just like it to be shaken up a bit with more than just (seemingly) session musicians.

It was said elsewhere on here, but it was incredible seeing them appear on stage and immediately inhabit the same presence as they had in the 90s, just as if not a single day had passed. Not many bands can do this, let alone with such vitality. They even move the same. It was quite a treat.

Super bizarre - but I've mentioned this before and want it more than ever after seeing them banter during the talk - I want them to be in a heist movie, Oceans 11 style.

[Indefinite_Cure]

Hey guys!

I've recently started a Post graduate degree in computer music composition and I had to chose an artist that I considered offers a "radical" sonic experience to write a small essay. I thought why not share it here!

Here is the translated short essay (translated from French):

"
Artist: Trent Reznor.

Links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqi_UZ1-EiU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SToOccPytl8 (especially the intro)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eg3C1vNxOA (very contrasting with the two previous videos)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxgaIodUpuw (composition played on automatic piano in a sound installation at Banksy’s Walled Off Hotel in Bethlehem)

His group, Nine Inch Nails, founded in 1988, has been part of my musical universe since I was little and I have long followed the work of its sole founder, Trent Reznor.

A radical experience

What makes it a radical sound experience for me is the great experimental diversity that the artist can offer us while maintaining its pop music sensitivity. He likes, by his own admission, to push the sound experience of his pieces until their coherence threatens to collapse. What struck me about the first video, on which we only see the second part of the piece, is precisely that we switch from a song with a very pop character with harmonic sequence and catchy melody to something much more centered on texture and rhythm. Even the rhythm sometimes seems to crumble. Although quite calculated, this portion of the piece features a lot of improvisation and the performance varied from night to night while maintaining consistency with the visuals.

On the second video, we are offered a completely new introduction compared to what is on the album from which the piece is. Once again, it is the atmosphere and the sound texture that are at the center of the musical experience and the rhythm gradually takes its place. The sound is very rich and it is easy to be completely immersed in the atmosphere. In my opinion, this is a great way to start a show in a way to say "it's the music that is at the center of this performance". The lights on stage are also heavily dimmed. What is radical for me in this video is that an artist who has made his mark with rock/pop/industrial hits starts a show with ambient. Again here, there is a lot of improvisation in the introduction which makes it possible to do something different with each performance.

The third video shows a much more ambient piece and I personally find that although there is a harmonic progression and a melody, these take up so little space that we tend to focus on the texture. It's very personal, but I think we're at the limit. Again, this demonstrates the diversity that the artist can offer. The last video also shows a composition played in a sound installation for automatic piano, work done in collaboration with Atticus Ross with whom he has also composed several film soundtracks and won several awards including two Oscars and a Golden Globe .

Link to my practice

What attracts me in these works is precisely the fact of playing at the limit between textural music and popular music. I myself aspire to play on this boundary and blur the line between the two. I also like the coherence between the visual, the performance and the sound experience, especially in the first video. I love that an artist as established as him does not compromise in order to please his audience and continues to experiment. It is for me an inspiring artistic integrity.


"

[tony.parente]

The last time I saw NIN was 9 years ago today according to my FB memories. What a great show.

[Tiger_Stealth]

Most banger song on each album/EP in my opinion (not necessarily best, but most fun/energetic):

PHM: Sin

Broken: Last

TDS: Heresy

The Fragile: Starfuckers

With Teeth: You Know What You Are

Year Zero: Meet Your Master

The Slip: Letting You

Hesitation Marks: I Would For You

NTAE: Branches/Bones

Add Violence: Less Than

Bad Witch: Shit Mirror

What are your pics?

[Tiger_Stealth]

NIN album/EP closers ranked

Hurt > Right Where It Belongs > Over and Out > Burning Bright (Field on Fire) > Zero-Sum > Ringfinger > The Background World > Ripe (with decay) > Demon Seed > Black Noise > Suck

[Tiger_Stealth]

NIN album/EP openers ranked:

Mr. Self Destruct > Somewhat Damaged > Head Like A Hole > Pinion/Wish > Branches/Bones > Shit Mirror > Copy of A > 1,000,000 > Less Than > All the love in the world > Hyperpower!

[snichols]

Like you said, not necessarily my favorites, but bangers:

PHM: HLAH
Broken: Wish
TDS: MOTP
The Fragile: No, You Don't
WT: You know what you are
Year Zero: Survivalism
The Slip: 1,000,000
HM: In Two
NTAE: Branches/Bones
Add Violence: Less Than
Bad Witch: Ahead of Ourselves

[snichols]

openers:

Somewhat Damaged
Branches/Bones
Pinion/Wish
Less Than
Mr. Self Destruct
HLAH
1,000,000
Hyperpower
Copy of A
All the love in the world
Shit Mirror

[snichols]

closers:

The Background World
Demon SeedBurning Bright
Zero Sum
Ringfinger
Black Noise
Hurt
Over and Out
Right where it belongs
Ripe
Suck

[BRoswell]

Bangers (And Mash):
Pretty Hate Machine - Head Like A Hole
Broken - Happiness In Slavery
The Downward Spiral - Ruiner
The Fragile - Starfuckers, Inc.
With Teeth - Getting Smaller
Year Zero - Meet Your Master
Ghosts I-IV - 35 Ghosts IV
The Slip - Discipline
Hesitation Marks - Everything
Not The Actual Events - Branches/Bones
Add Violence - Less Than
Bad Witch - Shit Mirror
Ghosts V-VI - Run Like Hell

[Endlessly]

From NIN Spotting:


According to weird people on tumblr they airbrushed out an ear piercing in the Marvin cover. Truly a loss everywhere for middle aged guys with pierced ears I guess

a man with a flair for wearing JEWELRY... in his NOSE (https://vimeo.com/17037838)

[Tiger_Stealth]

The climax of Ahead of Ourselves with the crazy electronics ramping up feels like it is summoning the "Bad Witch" and she's about to kill me.

[chuckrh]

After 2 NIN shows in September other shows kind of pale in comparison. I went to Roger Waters a few weeks ago & it was good but that's almost more of a theater production. I'd had the tickets for 3 years. Then I went to Afghan Whigs & Pink Mountaintops last night. I've been a huge Whigs for fan for years & hadn't seen them for a real long time. It was ok but I ended up leaving early. The tickets weren't much but I just wasn't feeling it. As he's gotten older Greg Dulli has gotten less nuanced. Most of it was super loud & it was hard to pick out what was being played in the din. In comparison NIN was of course loud but you could still hear what eveyone was playing. I'm not buying many concert tickets these days & this one was a little disappointing. I have 1 more show this year, Flaming Lips next month. They should still be good but I hope they've changed things up some. Have seen them a lot over the years. It would be hard to top the recent NIN tour though.

[Sailor]

From NIN Spotting:



a man with a flair for wearing JEWELRY... in his NOSE (https://vimeo.com/17037838)

I think it’s about time for Mr. Reznor to return to the septum piercing lifestyle. Very important to me and my culture. His kids need to know that he’s cool.

[elevenism]

The last time I saw NIN was 9 years ago today according to my FB memories. What a great show.
That was around the last time I saw your mother.

[elevenism]

Bangers (And Mash):
Pretty Hate Machine - Head Like A Hole
Broken - Happiness In Slavery
The Downward Spiral - Ruiner
The Fragile - Starfuckers, Inc.
With Teeth - Getting Smaller
Year Zero - Meet Your Master
Ghosts I-IV - 35 Ghosts IV
The Slip - Discipline
Hesitation Marks - Everything
Not The Actual Events - Branches/Bones
Add Violence - Less Than
Bad Witch - Shit Mirror
Ghosts V-VI - Run Like Hell

I dig your list; mine is different, but I wanna play:

PHM: The Only Time (does Get Down/Make Love count?)
Broken: Gave Up, period.
Fixed:Wish (Remix)
TDS: The Mister Self Destruct (followed closely by I Am the Ruiner, and, fuck, also The I Do Not Want This).
The Fragile: Somewhat Damaged (or Please)
Awitha Teetha: Love is Not Enough
Year Zero: The Good Soldier/Vessel (it's all one thing to me).
Ghosts: 3 Ghosts I
The Slip: 1,000,000 (which draws power from both 999,999 and Letting You)
Hesitations, Mark: All Time Low

Now. I consider the trilogy one thing, but I'll follow suit

NATE: The Idea of You
Add Violins: Not Anymore
Bad Witch: Ahead of Ourselves (good GOD. I'm a part time Junglist, so, yeah).

Ghosts the new one: I've really...idk. I've LISTENED to it several times, but I just haven't paid attention to which song is which

[Prick]

Most banger song on each album/EP in my opinion (not necessarily best, but most fun/energetic):

PHM: Sin

Broken: Last

TDS: Heresy

The Fragile: Starfuckers

With Teeth: You Know What You Are

Year Zero: Meet Your Master

The Slip: Letting You

Hesitation Marks: I Would For You

NTAE: Branches/Bones

Add Violence: Less Than

Bad Witch: Shit Mirror

What are your pics?

Bangers (by your definition) > Favourites
PHM: Kinda I Want To > Twist
Broken: Happiness In Slavery > Happiness In Slavery (Remix)
TDS: Eraser > All The Pigs, All Lined Up
Fragile: 10 Miles High > 10 Miles High
With Teeth: Getting Smaller > RWIBV2
Year Zero: Vessel > Vessel
Slip: Letting You > Letting You
HM: Everything > In Two
NTAE: Branches/Bones > She's Gone
AV: Not Anymore > Not Anymore
BW: Ahead Of Ourselves > Ahead Of Ourselves

[Sailor]

The climax of Ahead of Ourselves with the crazy electronics ramping up feels like it is summoning the "Bad Witch" and she's about to kill me.

Made me think of this for whatever reason. Here. You’ve earned it [EDIT SORRY THIS WASNT SUPPOSED TO BE SO BIG GOOD LORD]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/670dc3aed0ef2bcab192624c422239e1/235866a3264a420b-58/s2048x3072/3f2fba0c5fd96d7a4293fe8e7c68ab5e64c2f31d.jpg

[Prick]

Do we have a collection thread somewhere?

[Pyract]

Do we have a collection thread somewhere?

https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/25-Show-us-your-collection!

[Prick]

https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/25-Show-us-your-collection!

thx I'm dumb

[Sailor]

If anyone in the world still cares about tumblr, I have a dumb little blog for weird YouTube comments on NIN videos and other miscellaneous stuff of that nature:

https://www.tumblr.com/nincomments

There’s been kind of a trend with blogs like this for other bands like Ween and Talking Heads and I’ve noticed that NIN tends to tap into a particularly strange part of random people’s brains so I thought. Hey. Why not man.

[Prick]

Hey man, nice blog

[Lerxto]

https://oldwolves.bandcamp.com/album/purdy-hate-machine

I randomly came across this album, and thought it was nice.
There's no chance Trent will go folk/blues/country, but this reminded me of how much I'd love to see another acoustic/stripped-down album a la Still.

[BRoswell]

There's no chance Trent will go folk/blues/country...

I mean, it's not entirely out of the question. HTDA's Ice Age is pretty folksy/country in its own way, and Trent did quote a Hank Williams song in While I'm Still Here.

[SchwarzerAbt]

https://oldwolves.bandcamp.com/album/purdy-hate-machine

I randomly came across this album, and thought it was nice.
There's no chance Trent will go folk/blues/country, but this reminded me of how much I'd love to see another acoustic/stripped-down album a la Still.

That's actually pretty cool. Thanks for the find!

[imail724]

This is really good.

[leftshoe18]

There's no chance Trent will go folk/blues/country Maybe he will if he will if he feels like winning another Country Music Association Award.

[chuckrh]

I was thinking about Trent's comments after Cleveland regarding the end of the CB&I cycle. Not wanting to put words in Trent's mouth but it almost sounded like he's already thinking about future concepts in regards to touring/concerts. I'm certainly there wherever he wants to go. I will say that after the 2 NIN shows I saw everything else is kind of pale in comparison. The only show I have tickets for the rest of this year is Flaming Lips/Particle Kid mid-November. It's a makeup show for a COVID postponement so I've had the tickets a real long time. I'm sure the Lips will be excellent as they always are & I'm very interested in seeing Particle Kid. I heard a tape of him opening the Outlaw Music Festival & he was great. Mostly just him & an electric guitar. I keep preaching that his album is the best of the year. One of those records where you hear new things every time you listen. Sorry to get off topic a little. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long to see what Trent comes up with.

[TheBang]

I was thinking about Trent's comments after Cleveland regarding the end of the CB&I cycle. Not wanting to put words in Trent's mouth but it almost sounded like he's already thinking about future concepts in regards to touring/concerts.
I think he's really just done with it for now and for the foreseeable future. (Note: the foreseeable future may be as short as 1-2 years). Like, if you asked him about touring in 2019 (and 2020 and 2021 when plans were delayed due to COVID), he would have said, yeah, we're going to take this out on the road again next year to do a few more dates.

But ask him now, and he wouldn't know. He just knows that the era he already took out on 3 cycles is over. He doesn't know when they will next tour, but when they do, it's not going to be the same as what he just did; he will have to come up with something new.

[Ruined]

As much as I love attending NIN shows, I'm glad that he's doing what is right for him instead of just mailing it in for a payday. I look forward seeing what he creates, either via score, collaborations or new NIN. If he never tours again, I'm grateful that I got to attend a few of his shows and made some excellent memories along the way...

[sonic_discord]

Regarding NIN touring again, as others have already mentioned several times, he often sounds burnt out at the end of a tour. I feel like it's almost like asking a mother who just gave birth an hour ago if she's planning on having another child. It's too fresh right now, but after some time, the allure of touring will likely seem appealing once more – especially if he has some new music he's excited for people to hear. I don't remember where he said it, but sometime in late 2020 or early 2021, he expressed how much they miss being on the road (even the shitter aspects like being crammed onto a tour bus and using shitty bathrooms), and while they were on tour this year, he mentioned several times how good it was to be back and that he was really trying to appreciate the "now" (meaning performing in front of audiences), rather than always looking toward the future. I'm hoping that they've been secretly hard at work on the next NIN album and once it's completed, they come up with an interesting way to mix things up a bit in a way that feels fresh and exciting for them. If I'm being honest, I hope they don't change the live shows TOO drastically, because I thought the CB&I tour was pretty much perfect. I do miss some of the more elaborate production of the LITS and Tension tours, but the unpredictable setlists of the CB&I era was well worth the trade-off.

[dlb]

Finally got the Fragile on vinyl, 70EUR is steep, but it looks like I made an okay deal with that one. Excited to finally have it!

[elevenism]

So...this may have been obvious to most of you for decades.

But I made a mix CD for the ole' suv while Mrs. Sheap was in the hospital for a fucking month, and supposed to die, and ANYWAY,

Ringfinger was on it. It was all I listened to, this CD, so I heard the track like 100 times.
And now, I'm 99% sure that song is about marriage, and nowhere as eerie as I thought it was over the past 30 years.

So I'm thinking traditional.proposal, here.
She's got T-Rez working so hard, working his hands until.they bleed, and he still.doesn't feel.like he's good enough, even though he's providing for her, as Duran Duran and Prince play on the radio.

But he's still.asking, for.that 'promise, that's deeper.than the sea.'

I think the SEVER bit is a touch of hyperbole, about what happens in marriage: that ring means 'I'm taken.'
She's making him wait, though, like.Jesus on.the cross, even though he's "dying for her sins," as in, you know...and hers alone.

BUT, HE'S not even sure if this marriage is the best thing in the world, as he'll have to cover his eyes.
But, he'll have that one thing: the ring finger. The marriage.
And that's enough.

Sorry if I'm going on over three decades late to the NIN PHM Party of Understanding, but I'm almost CERTAIN that's the meaning of the lyrics, now. It only took me from age 12 to damn near 43 to notice.

I decided I'd lay this idea on, you know, the only people who might care.
What you guys think?

[Khrz]

Nah, not convinced, I'm still pretty sure it's about a finger shaped like a ring.

[butter_hole]

https://oldwolves.bandcamp.com/album/purdy-hate-machine

I randomly came across this album, and thought it was nice.
There's no chance Trent will go folk/blues/country, but this reminded me of how much I'd love to see another acoustic/stripped-down album a la Still.

This is GREAT

[Erneuert]

I can't believe that, since 1994 and after so many interviews being conducted, no one has yet asked TR about the sample at the beginning of A Warm Place and what it says.

[Erneuert]

Nah, not convinced, I'm still pretty sure it's about a finger shaped like a ring.

lol

[sweeterthan]

nin slipping to 3 on my spotify wrapped thingy. release some new damn music already. halsey/iichliwp were my number 1 so i guess they’re still there. pretty sure we gotta hit the 3 year mark of tr saying “i’m working on nin” before he starts with the “soon” talk. fingers crossed for new nin in 2023.

[chuckrh]

nin slipping to 3 on my spotify wrapped thingy. release some some new damn music already. halsey/iichliwp we’re my number 1 so i guess they’re still there. pretty sure we gotta hit the 3 year mark of tr saying “i’m working on nin” before he starts with the “soon” talk. fingers crossed for new nin in 2023.
Or maybe some more work with Danny Elfman please? :)

[sonic_discord]

I'm hoping they do what Metallica just did and one morning out of the blue, we'll have a brand new single, a new album announcement, and (hopefully) a new tour (even if it's a shorter one that doesn't start until 9 months from now). But yes, it definitely feels like we're overdue for a new, proper (non-instrumental) full-length NIN album.

[tony.parente]

iOS 16.2 just dropped which enabled Apple Sing. Basically it's karaoke mode (no vocals) for any song that enables it which includes the entire discography that I've found - including the AATCHB (AND STILL?!?) tracks which is pretty cool. So we have the instrumentals for everything now.

[zecho]

iOS 16.2 just dropped which enabled Apple Sing. Basically it's karaoke mode (no vocals) for any song that enables it which includes the entire discography that I've found - including the AATCHB (AND STILL?!?) tracks which is pretty cool. So we have the instrumentals for everything now.

I'm curious how that works. My guess is it uses an algorithm to isolate and reduce what it thinks are vocals, but doesn't give true instrumentals. Apple doesn't have stems for all (or any) of their entire music store's library.

[Erneuert]

iOS 16.2 just dropped which enabled Apple Sing. Basically it's karaoke mode (no vocals) for any song that enables it which includes the entire discography that I've found - including the AATCHB (AND STILL?!?) tracks which is pretty cool. So we have the instrumentals for everything now.

Can it do the opposite and take out all the instrumentals and only leave the vocals? Then we can finally work out what's being said at the beginning of A Warm Place.

[Erneuert]

https://www.theninhotline.com/archives/textarch/article/onlinechat_122199.html

repti1ian: What do you start a song with usually? I mean do you use a piano? Guitar? Drum loops?


snguest_trent_reznor: On the new record I start with a visual idea. It might be a postcard of a swamp at sunset. That's all that matters to me. I try to write a song around that mood or feeling. That's what "The Fragile" really represented to me, I wanted to make a place that you've never been to before. To be quite frank, the record came out. I didn't know if the label would understand what I was trying to do, I was trying to not make a commercial record. I wanted to make a record that mattered to me as a person. That's the only thing that has ever mattered to me, ever, fuck Universal. All I ever want to do is make a difference, change some lives. And now, I'm up against Britney Spears, and I say, "fuck you." I appreciate for what she does, but that's not what it should be about. I've dedicated my life and watch me. The only thing that I care about in my whole fucking life is to make a difference. I won't concede, I won't give in. I love music, and that's all I care about.


...isn't "a swamp at sunset" part of the Beneath The Surface menu on AATCHB? With crickets chirping? I love that imagery.

[Erneuert]

Moreover, I adore this description:

http://www.nin-pages.de/1999_Kerrang_September_english.htm

"This isn't a tough, hard machine like 'The Downward Spiral'. This one is rusted, shot, there's moss growing up the side of it, clay and paper clips holding it together. Pieces can fall off at any time. I tried to make it seem distressed on every level I could think of. The concept of fragility moulds it all together."


A little smile: "I just made that up now, but it sounds pretty good."

[Erneuert]

I'm down the rabbit hole now with TR and Roger Waters chatting. How time flies.

http://www.nin-pages.de/2000_Revolver_Winter_english.htm

Waters: I actually think you're fighting a losing battle, trying to recreate anything like the experience of being at a rock and roll show with a DVD. Basically, they're home movies. I regret not having made home movies of the Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking and Radio KAOS tours. And so I'm glad I will have a home movie of 2000 In The Flesh tour. I want to have it to put in a cupboard somewhere and maybe show it to my grandchildren. But I don't know if it's something that interests me that much, I have to say. I don't really care about it. Frankly, I'd rather be fishing. Or reading. But you know, I'm 56 years old. How old are you?

Reznor: 35.

Waters: So it's kind of relative. There's 21 years' difference. I might have cared more when I was 35. Not that I'm saying you will eventually achieve fishing.

Reznor: I'm looking forward to it, actually.

[Xounz]

Hi team,

I wish to create a complete collection of all the calm, relaxing and ambient music Trent has made.

The following list I have made so far: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2HnmIom4TSIdibuL6J0JU6?si=3462912e1c2a4a8a

Is there anything missing according to you?
What tracks I definitly need to add to make this more complete?

Thanks!

[Erneuert]

Moreover, I adore this description:

http://www.nin-pages.de/1999_Kerrang_September_english.htm

"This isn't a tough, hard machine like 'The Downward Spiral'. This one is rusted, shot, there's moss growing up the side of it, clay and paper clips holding it together. Pieces can fall off at any time. I tried to make it seem distressed on every level I could think of. The concept of fragility moulds it all together."


A little smile: "I just made that up now, but it sounds pretty good."


To complete his misery, Trent also lost a close friend at this time: Marilyn Manson. Having signed to his label Nothing and then produced the breakthrough album 'Antichrist Superstar', Trent feels betrayed by revelations in Manson's autobiography 'The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell', in which he is portrayed as voyeuristic and manipulative, with a taste for "shitty women". The revelations centre on a tour, which Nine Inch Nails undertook with Manson and the Jim Rose Circus, a travelling S&M freak-show.


"You can't explain this to people who weren't around it," Trent insists. "It's not sane, but imagine the kind of people who come to that show, and they're all trying to outdo each other. Some of the guys in the Circus have horns and a tail, and one of the guys was trying to have trepanation performed on him in my studio - drilling a hole in the back of the head so the spinal fluid leaks out, and you're high forever. That's the level it was getting to. Pretty soon there's going to be bodies showing up - and questions. I'm going to point the finger at Jim Rose. The first time I was ever around him, I was eating a light bulb, thinking, 'What am I doing?'. I always get sucked in. We were sitting in a cafeteria and he said, 'Have a chew on that'. I didn't swallow it, but the fact that I even allowed it in my mouth…"


wat.

[chuckrh]

To complete his misery, Trent also lost a close friend at this time: Marilyn Manson. Having signed to his label Nothing and then produced the breakthrough album 'Antichrist Superstar', Trent feels betrayed by revelations in Manson's autobiography 'The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell', in which he is portrayed as voyeuristic and manipulative, with a taste for "shitty women". The revelations centre on a tour, which Nine Inch Nails undertook with Manson and the Jim Rose Circus, a travelling S&M freak-show.


"You can't explain this to people who weren't around it," Trent insists. "It's not sane, but imagine the kind of people who come to that show, and they're all trying to outdo each other. Some of the guys in the Circus have horns and a tail, and one of the guys was trying to have trepanation performed on him in my studio - drilling a hole in the back of the head so the spinal fluid leaks out, and you're high forever. That's the level it was getting to. Pretty soon there's going to be bodies showing up - and questions. I'm going to point the finger at Jim Rose. The first time I was ever around him, I was eating a light bulb, thinking, 'What am I doing?'. I always get sucked in. We were sitting in a cafeteria and he said, 'Have a chew on that'. I didn't swallow it, but the fact that I even allowed it in my mouth…"


wat.

Ya, Jim taught me how to eat a light bulb. Didn't actually do it but I know how (hint: chew into really small pieces). The really disgusting one was Mr Lifto. & the guy who drank bile. Good times! I was on the road for a bit of the second Lollapalooza & Jim was on the second stage. My friends played a few shows on that stage & I was an unofficial roadie. Their manager was the tour manager so we had all access passes for multiple shows even if the band wasn't playing. That was a hell of a lineup. I got to stand onstage for Soundgarden at Jones Beach. Let's just say that I brought some Seattle horticulture with me back east. Suddenly I was very popular, haha.

[Erneuert]

"Trepanation" should be the next NIN album title. Spinal fluid bleeding through.

[chuckrh]

"Trepanation" should be the next NIN album title. Spinal fluid bleeding through.
Maybe 15-20 years ago that would've been great. I think Trent is in a different place now though. I've said it here more than once but I want more with Danny Elfman & Trent. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. I read a recent interview with Danny & he said the only rock concert he went to this year was NIN. He took his teenage son. I think it was the Cleveland show. BTW: Danny was impressed.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Managed to catch up with the Ilan drum cam videos and holy crap I totally missed the insane first solo section when I saw it live!

After Cleveland now I want Ilan and Josh Freese to play it together.

(Also the videos point out how weird that stage setup was, with everyone in a row, so weirdly cool)

[Disassociative]

I got a HomePod mini for Christmas, not a bad sounding little speaker at all but I’m currently listening to Happiness in Slavery and the not for use on mono devices warning for Broken rings true to this day lol it sounds… different

[allegate]

you can link two of them together and then play Atmos streams from Apple Music.

thing is I still can't figure out how Dolby lets them get away with that when Atmos is at least nominally surround sound and there are only two speakers in that setup.

[roolfdriht]

When TPD first started getting radio play (late December '96 or early January '97?), I taped it off the radio and loved the shit out of it. (Nothing like a less than 3 year wait for new material to whet the appetite, ha!)

However, when I finally picked up the Lost Highway soundtrack, my ecstasy was tempered a bit - what happened to the walloping drums that punch you in the face immediately at the beginning of the bridge??

For some unknown reason, today was the day I finally investigated and happily confirmed that TPD (edit) is the version that I've been fantasizing about for 26 years. This year has gotten off to a horrible start, but at least I'll have the distraction of waiting for the copy I ordered on Discogs to arrive...

[elevenism]

I can't believe that, since 1994 and after so many interviews being conducted, no one has yet asked TR about the sample at the beginning of A Warm Place and what it says.

It says something about beer. "The best part of life is knowing you have a beer," or something like that. We've been through this.

[simonn]

I'm a bit confused by the walloping drums bit being the issue on TPD - I've just listened to the full version and the edit version simultaneously, and it only starts to differ once they've got to the drum solo section.

Top tip - don't have a slight delay between the two sources. I was listening to Spotify and YouTube and if it's not perfectly matched timing wise, it's VERY annoying!

[chuckrh]

I hope Trent & Atticus continue to produce other artists like they did with Halsey. I really enjoyed that record. An interesting choice would be Iggy Pop. Iggy always seems open to new ideas, at least in the studio. Could be fantastic!

[allegate]

After the Josh-produced album he put out, yeah that'd be great. even better is if they also tour behind it like they did with the Josh-produced album.

[chuckrh]

After the Josh-produced album he put out, yeah that'd be great. even better is if they also tour behind it like they did with the Josh-produced album.
The new Iggy record that came out today is really good. Iggy hasn't mellowed with age. He had me a bit worried with the French-jazz record but it's cool he's able to do what he wants.

[roolfdriht]

I'm a bit confused by the walloping drums bit being the issue on TPD - I've just listened to the full version and the edit version simultaneously, and it only starts to differ once they've got to the drum solo section.

I should have been clearer that by "bridge" I meant the drum solo. Objectively it's not a huge difference in the context of the entire song. However, after being introduced to it via the edit, the "complete" solo's more muted beginning always felt wrong...

[Disassociative]

The AATCHB versions of The Frail going into Sin flows way better than it has any right to (shuffle struck again)

[scorpiusdiamond]

Yes TikTok, your algorithm works

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFK3XYMJ/

[Erneuert]

Happy birthday to Atticus (16th here now).

[mfte]

NIN songs that I didn't like before, but that I like now.

- Underneath It All
- Demon Seed

[sweeterthan]

i wear my “we’re in this together 2020” hat quite a bit still and today the guy behind the counter read it. i said “the song” and he said everyone was saying it in 2020…. i was like oh this band (pointing to nin logo) put this hat out that year because they have a song called that. he said he’d listen to it. i can’t wait for him to hear it. i should’ve gotten his info so i could follow up. like i can’t even imagine what he thinks it will sound like based on that one line but i bet you it’s nothing like whatever he thought.

[Erneuert]

NIN songs that I didn't like before, but that I like now.

- Underneath It All
- Demon Seed

Come to think of it, Underneath It All into Demon Seed would sound great live.

[allegate]

i wear my “we’re in this together 2020” hat quite a bit still and today the guy behind the counter read it. i said “the song” and he said everyone was saying it in 2020…. i was like oh this band (pointing to nin logo) put this hat out that year because they have a song called that. he said he’d listen to it. i can’t wait for him to hear it. i should’ve gotten his info so i could follow up. like i can’t even imagine what he thinks it will sound like based on that one line but i bet you it’s nothing like whatever he thought.

speaking of that hat...why is it so tall? I remember hats that were domes to fit your head into and now they're this monstrosity that sticks up.

Old man yelling at clouds, I guess.

[scorpiusdiamond]

I got absolutely bamboozled by this today

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230125/25611944fea13add9871069f1c2d244d.jpg

[tony.parente]

I got absolutely bamboozled by this today

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230125/25611944fea13add9871069f1c2d244d.jpg
I like how they have a Gen X/Millenial day and a boomer day haha

[bobbie solo]

That's so cool that they got the Beatles. That musta been hard.

[mfte]

I wonder if the next NIN album will be more concerned with things that could have been, or more about things that used to be.

[fillow]

I wonder if the next NIN album will be more concerned with things that could have been, or more about things that used to be.
or about what he has become

[allegate]

I like how they have a Gen X/Millenial day and a boomer day haha
But Thin Lizzy / Kiss are on the NIN day and the Pumpkins and Radiohead play with Elvis. I'd say it's a good mix of both.

[Frozen Beach]

https://youtu.be/Tbd8RGbwpVM
I love this YouTube channel so much

[sonic_discord]

I got absolutely bamboozled by this today

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230125/25611944fea13add9871069f1c2d244d.jpg

Honestly, if that were real, I'd be there in a heartbeat. Even if you remove the bands that couldn't possibly be there, a festival with NIN, Ghost, Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, and Rage Against the Machine would be incredible.


That's so cool that they got the Beatles. That musta been hard.

Probably about as hard as booking Nirvana.

[sweeterthan]

speaking of that hat...why is it so tall? I remember hats that were domes to fit your head into and now they're this monstrosity that sticks up.

Old man yelling at clouds, I guess.

coz they’re fitting all those words on there. “together” is a lot of real estate.

[allegate]

lol fair enough.

When I got it, my wife said it looked like a black MAGA hat with how tall it is and it put me off it for awhile. :(

[sweeterthan]

lol fair enough.

When I got it, my wife said it looked like a black MAGA hat with how tall it is and it put me off it for awhile. :(

my experience is MAGA doesn’t like the hat. i’ve had a few run ins and well, all i need to know about someone is how they react to the hat. its a good screening tool for randoms.

[Disassociative]

If/when they tour again I wish he’d pull Right Where it Belongs out the vault… the stripped down version or an adaptation of the album version. Either way, bring it back Trent I’m begging you lol

[elevenism]

If/when they tour again I wish he’d pull Right Where it Belongs out the vault… the stripped down version or an adaptation of the album version. Either way, bring it back Trent I’m begging you lol

Amen. It hits me even harder than Hurt does, sometimes.

I also LOVE In This Twilight with Zero Sum outro as a closer, too: for me, that song is dark but hopeful.

[eversonpoe]

If/when they tour again I wish he’d pull Right Where it Belongs out the vault… the stripped down version or an adaptation of the album version. Either way, bring it back Trent I’m begging you lol

the ending never feels as LOUD as i want it to (especially the album version). with the extreme dynamics of the quiet bridge of "with teeth" coming back to the loud part, i always want that same effect for BYIT :/

[elevenism]

the ending never feels as LOUD as i want it to (especially the album version). with the extreme dynamics of the quiet bridge of "with teeth" coming back to the loud part, i always want that same effect for BYIT :/

Wait, you mean RWIB? Or BYIT?

The loud part coming in on BYIT, like a fucking dam of emotion and feeling just, exploding, is absolutely one of my favourite NIN moments.

And goddamnit, I've never seen BYIT, live. I was too drunk for the With Teeth tour...not the Dallas date, but ALL of the dates...and the next couple of years. :p
That was my "Leaving Las Vegas" phase.

[eversonpoe]

Wait, you mean RWIB? Or BYIT?

The loud part coming in on BYIT, like a fucking dam of emotion and feeling just, exploding, is absolutely one of my favourite NIN moments.

And goddamnit, I've never seen BYIT, live. I was too drunk for the With Teeth tour...not the Dallas date, but ALL of the dates...and the next couple of years. :p
That was my "Leaving Las Vegas" phase.

yeah, in BYIT. i feel like it's supposed to fucking PUMMEL you and it just like...gets more full? but not louder?

[wizfan]

yeah, in BYIT. i feel like it's supposed to fucking PUMMEL you and it just like...gets more full? but not louder?

I could do something about that. ;)

[elevenism]

yeah, in BYIT. i feel like it's supposed to fucking PUMMEL you and it just like...gets more full? but not louder?

I feel like it hits hard on the record; I've not seen BYIT live. (I was dead during the with teeth cycle).

That song also has a different meaning, for me, than the stated/consensus meaning. I think of dead friends, and my estranged-ish father...not Mr. Self Desteuct.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

Come to think of it, Underneath It All into Demon Seed would sound great live.

God. If I get to see "Demon Seed" live, at all, I will absolutely scream like a bitch. I didn't get the logo tattooed on my arm for nothing. (For reference, it looks exactly like the one on the ETS splash page.) But that would be a great transition.

It was the only song I was REALLY hoping for in 2018, but you know what? I'll settle for being there for the live debuts of "The Perfect Drug" (with elevenism, what a night) and "And All That Could Have Been." I just assumed both of those would never happen, and then I got to see both within like five weeks of each other.

[elevenism]

@ImTheWiseJanitor (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=427) we literally jumped up and hugged each other in the air, screaming like lunatics when TPD started.:p That's how I remember it, at least.
Man idk what was better: those two nights, or LITS Tulsa in '09, our original attempted meetup. One had the insane setlists, and the other changed concert lighting forever.

And I think about walking down the hill, and seeing this dude we'd parked next to (edit: not me and the janitor: rather, me and my wife,) who had a big ass NIN logo on his truck.

He was bitching about the setlist. I said "DUDE. We just saw NIN play TPD for the FIRST time!"
He said "No we didn't, they play it all the time. You don't know what you're talking about. What, is it gonna be on Rock Feed tomorrow?"

I said "bro, I'm not sure what 'rock feed' is. I don't really know what to say."

Then he REMOVED the big NIN logo from his truck: it was just a magnet, ;) and took off, looking like he'd just eaten a bite of a shit sandwich.

I have no problem with casual fans, don't get me wrong, and I'm nowhere near the MOST obsessive, but goddamn. We had wildly different subjective experiences, me and NIN Truck Guy.

[Disassociative]

What if they close the show with The Background World, complete with 7 minute noise loop. A test of endurance? :P

[eversonpoe]

I feel like it hits hard on the record; I've not seen BYIT live. (I was dead during the with teeth cycle).

That song also has a different meaning, for me, than the stated/consensus meaning. I think of dead friends, and my estranged-ish father...not Mr. Self Desteuct.

ah, see, i feel like even on the album it doesn't hit the way i want it to, idunno ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[elevenism]

ah, see, i feel like even on the album it doesn't hit the way i want it to, idunno ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think I turn it up sometimes :p

[elevenism]

What if they close the show with The Background World, complete with 7 minute noise loop. A test of endurance? :P

That would actually be cool. But I mean, there's cool for us, and cool for the people who wanna hear Fuck You Like An Animal, Hurt, and HLAH.

Fake NIN Truck Guy just wanted to hear Fuck You Like An Animal.

I wanna hear Leaving Hope, as all lights slowly fade to pitch black, followed by ITT encore with EXTRA Zero Sum.

Like, perhaps, a good bit of Zero Sum.

[stlkr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3kqnq3vRpw
maybe I am starting to hear things...
...but this reminds me of TDS motif

delete if this has been discussed

[Alex of scotland]

Remember when NIN appeared on UK Saturday Morning Kids show CDUK?

I feel we don't discuss this enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Q7408Njpw

[Lastentrance]

Remember when NIN appeared on UK Saturday Morning Kids show CDUK?

I feel we don't discuss this enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Q7408Njpw

Wow, that was the best part of 20 years ago. I remember seeing it live, before I even knew or got into NIN.

[henryeatscereal]

Remember when NIN appeared on UK Saturday Morning Kids show CDUK?

I feel we don't discuss this enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Q7408Njpw
Never knew NIN did "Top of the Pops"

[scorpiusdiamond]

Never knew NIN did "Top of the Pops"

Even better, this was essentially Saturday morning kid’s tv

[Alex of scotland]

Someone from ETS was there.

[Erneuert]

What does everyone think the new NIN material will sound like? Or what are you hoping for?

I'd like a little of NTAE (Burning Bright) sprinkled with Add Violence (The Background World). I don't think we need anymore experimental saxophone, though. Not that I dislike it, but I prefer other NIN offerings.

[bobbie solo]

What does everyone think the new NIN material will sound like? Or what are you hoping for?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4p9DeaCkw&ab_channel=NineInchNails-Topic

Dare to dream right?

[scorpiusdiamond]

Is this a really bad NIN pun?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230214/9d32935e0312a6576c43cc2914678686.jpg

[chuckrh]

What does everyone think the new NIN material will sound like? Or what are you hoping for?

I'd like a little of NTAE (Burning Bright) sprinkled with Add Violence (The Background World). I don't think we need anymore experimental saxophone, though. Not that I dislike it, but I prefer other NIN offerings.
More Ghosts ;) remember, I'm older than dirt haha

[explodey]

Is this a really bad NIN pun?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230214/9d32935e0312a6576c43cc2914678686.jpg
Looking at the overview (https://www.pleasance.co.uk/event/ignacio-lopez-nine-ig-fails#overview), seems like the show is related to NIN:

In 2009, from his derelict flat in South Wales, Ignacio scored tickets to see his favourite band, Nine Inch Nails, in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, he didn’t have money, transport, or a place to stay. Sharing his biggest failures with a hilarious, globe-trotting story about music, comedy, admin cock-ups, Ignacio skewers Britain and Spain with an armada of sarcasm, silliness, and songs.

[ickyvicky]

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/330920190_1671561019937561_8755087103068313967_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=7Q297tyNlOUAX9txiqc&tn=_52MrKkVgA54_e_e&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAa1FtcL8yDt7g4jruS_K7wjjhjlMinPN5LV1VQiezn hA&oe=63F16BA2

Happy Valen-NIN-e's Day everyone :o

[Disassociative]

Going back to listen to some 2009 shows - I love how raw and stripped down things and dare I say metal things are at times? Combine that with the fact that Trent seemed to be having trouble with his voice and was rather hoarse (especially the Hurricane Festival show where he pretty much, if not actually blew his voice out)

I know they did the four piece thing again in 2014, my first (and only so far :() time seeing them was the 2014 line up in Perth and it was fucking amazing what just the four of them pulled off live but the Wave Goodbye/NINJA tours seemed more like a sledgehammer to your face.

[fillow]

I know they did the four piece thing again in 2014, my first (and only so far :() time seeing them was the 2014 line up in Perth and it was fucking amazing what just the four of them pulled off live but the Wave Goodbye/NINJA tours seemed more like a sledgehammer to your face.

Agree. 2009 and 2014 may seem like similar lineup on the surface, but having JMJ in the band vs Ally made a ton of difference. JMJ played a lot more guitar/bass and less keys than Ally did, giving many songs a harder edge. 2014 setlists were also much softer on the overall than 2009 ones, with too much kraftwerk-formation songs.

Also I don't know if it's just me, but from all the recordings I've heard it sounded like in 2014 Ilan's drum miking/sound mix was unique and completely different from all other tours.

[Disassociative]

Agree. 2009 and 2014 may seem like similar lineup on the surface, but having JMJ in the band vs Ally made a ton of difference. JMJ played a lot more guitar/bass and less keys than Ally did, giving many songs a harder edge. 2014 setlists were also much softer on the overall than 2009 ones, with too much kraftwerk-formation songs.

Also I don't know if it's just me, but from all the recordings I've heard it sounded like in 2014 Ilan's drum miking/sound mix was unique and completely different from all other tours.

Agreed, plus the 2013-2014 era was a bit more focused on the electronic side of things anyway so it would make more sense for the live band to be more focused on that.

I just love we have so many different flavours of live NIN. I’m pretty happy with the lineup we have these days but it’s nice to go back to the brutality of the 1991-1996 shows or the chaos that Aaron added to the 2005-2007 shows and the full on over the top in a good way bursting at the seams lineup of Tension 2013.

[WorzelG]

After listening to the Halsey / TRAR album today for the first time in a while, I would love for them to do a livestream of the album in full with NIN doing the music

[leftshoe18]

Going back to listen to some 2009 shows - I love how raw and stripped down things and dare I say metal things are at times? Combine that with the fact that Trent seemed to be having trouble with his voice and was rather hoarse (especially the Hurricane Festival show where he pretty much, if not actually blew his voice out)

I know they did the four piece thing again in 2014, my first (and only so far :() time seeing them was the 2014 line up in Perth and it was fucking amazing what just the four of them pulled off live but the Wave Goodbye/NINJA tours seemed more like a sledgehammer to your face.

2008-2009 NIN is a special time to me as I was following their live escapades most closely during this era. Love the contrast between the LITS tour and the Wave Goodbye tour in terms of tone and then the vast number of songs they pulled out with 2009's sets. Those last couple shows especially were nuts.

[sweeterthan]

After listening to the Halsey / TRAR album today for the first time in a while, I would love for them to do a livestream of the album in full with NIN doing the music

oh great. this is now the thing that’s missing from my life.

[blassster]

I just realized that the periodic distorted stabs in The Wretched (version) might be from Claustrophobia Machine. 4 quick sounds in sequence. Listen to the first sound (other than the drum) in CM.

[azad_ninja]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm listening to Lard's debut album and the track I AM YOUR CLOCK reminds me of Burning Bright( Field of Fire). The percussion, vocals and guitar about three minutes in :)

https://youtu.be/-jlngD3OIXc?t=130

[Wulgaren]

this is so good! def hear the similarities. thanks for sharing!

[blassster]

I was looking at producer stuff, saw that Dave Sardy was credited with mixing Only, along with another mystery NIN track (assuming it was from WT too) called "What No One Hears". I don't think this one was mentioned anywhere before, searching ETS brings nothing.

david-sardy.squarespace.com/#discog-section (https://david-sardy.squarespace.com/#discog-section)


Edit: fuack, it's an error. Thanks for the sleuthing, as always

[fillow]

I was looking at producer stuff, saw that Dave Sardy was credited with mixing Only, along with another mystery NIN track (assuming it was from WT too) called "What No One Hears". I don't think this one was mentioned anywhere before, searching ETS brings nothing.

david-sardy.squarespace.com/#discog-section (https://david-sardy.squarespace.com/#discog-section)

This looks to me as an error on his website. Googling track name + NIN brings up Sardy's credits summarized at allmusic.com, where What No One Hears is a EP by the band Simon Dawes, which legit came out in 2005 (although discogs credits don't mention Sardy)

https://www.allmusic.com/artist/dave-sardy-mn0000787049/credits
https://www.discogs.com/ru/release/9888042-Simon-Dawes-What-No-One-Hears

[versusreality]

two random thoughts:
Ministry, Skinny Puppy, The Cure, Depeche Mode all touring this year. feels like we need to see NIN touring too.

"All Time Low" for some reason reminds me of "The Globe" by Big Audio Dynamite.

[allegate]

two random thoughts:
Ministry, Skinny Puppy, The Cure, Depeche Mode all touring this year. feels like we need to see NIN touring too.

"All Time Low" for some reason reminds me of "The Globe" by Big Audio Dynamite.

I get it, and I hear it, but also...

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PartialMadeupElk-size_restricted.gif https://media.tenor.com/qOP7IMXVglAAAAAC/colin-farrell-in-bruges.gif

[Erneuert]

two random thoughts:
Ministry, Skinny Puppy, The Cure, Depeche Mode all touring this year. feels like we need to see NIN touring too.

"All Time Low" for some reason reminds me of "The Globe" by Big Audio Dynamite.

The latter two should perform onstage together with NIN. Fuck, just imagine.

[simonn]

Was listening to the Definitive Edition of With Teeth just now for the first time, and I don't know whether my ears have just been lazy all these years or it's just really come out in the mix, or newer headphones, but the orchestration in the final verse of Sunspots has totally caught me off guard! Probably my favourite track on the album, and got the pleasure of seeing the live debut at Brixton a few months ago, but absolutely blown away at how I've managed to miss this all these years!!

Pretty evident on this new instrumental version I've then stumbled across at 3.24.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVrvgvYWbnY

Was also astounded on the credits to find out Grohl doesn't drum on Home! Thought that was a shoe in.

[Tiger_Stealth]

I would kill for another traditional NIN album with vocals sometime in the next couple of years but besides that I think it would be cool if TR/AR wrote another Still style album with the acoustic/deconstructed versions of post Fragile material.

Here's the songs I would want to be on the album:

All The Love In The World
Everyday Is Exactly The Same
Right Where It Belongs
Discipline
Find My Way
Various Methods Of Escape
I Would For You
Burning Bright (Field On Fire)
This Isn't The Place
Over And Out

I think some of the songs, especially the Hesitation Marks and Trilogy ones, would be a cool challenge in how to tweak and remix the songs to sound powerful without the effects/production used on the albums.

[leftshoe18]

Still 2 would be awesome. I'm all for that idea!

[fillow]

729

Happy April Fools, ets

[sweeterthan]

wouldn’t it be cool if he released a real NEW NIN song today?

[wizfan]

Remember that guy "Eric Claudiex" who worked on a couple of Closer remixes back in the day? Well, it turns out his actual name is Eric Caudieux (https://www.discogs.com/artist/132143-Eric-Caudieux).

[simonn]

How on earth did Waves become my 'get in from the pub' soundtrack?

[Lerxto]

It's been 5 years since we got a NIN album with vocals.

[leftshoe18]

Yeah I'm hankering for some new NIN at this point.

[TheBang]

I found a copy of the judgment order in Reznor v JAM/Malm. Interesting reading:

https://uspto.report/TM/assignment-tm-3121-0129.pdf

Trent was awarded $4.6m, including interest. I imagine he was able to collect little, if any, of that.

[DiagnoseMeHarder]

I wish NIN would make a court themed music video. The fangirls would love it.

Going back to Black's legal dictionary, "Judicial Diva" and "Litigatrix" seem like interesting concepts to incorporate.

It could be called "Judge Reznor", or something.


You know how in "March Of The Pigs", it starts up with "Step right up! March!"?

What if he (Trent Reznor) incorporated a similar concept into this idea?


It could go like this: He walks into the court room, says "All Rise!" "Now sit!".

I'm not sure what else could come after this, but what if there was a way to somehow make this experience interactive with the audience? It seems like a lot of fun.

Oooohhh- what if there was a play on the intro to "Law And Order"? Instead of playing the law and order theme though, at the beginning of the song, there could be a monologue like "In the music industry, there are different artists who compose different works. These are their stories".

Idk, it seems like fun. :p

[firewlker]

I wish NIN would make a court themed music video. The fangirls would love it.

Going back to Black's legal dictionary, "Judicial Diva" and "Litigatrix" seem like interesting concepts to incorporate.

It could be called "Judge Reznor", or something.


You know how in "March Of The Pigs", it starts up with "Step right up! March!"?

What if he (Trent Reznor) incorporated a similar concept into this idea?


It could go like this: He walks into the court room, says "All Rise!" "Now sit!".

I'm not sure what else could come after this, but what if there was a way to somehow make this experience interactive with the audience? It seems like a lot of fun.

Oooohhh- what if there was a play on the intro to "Law And Order"? Instead of playing the law and order theme though, at the beginning of the song, there could be a monologue like "In the music industry, there are different artists who compose different works. These are their stories".

Idk, it seems like fun. :p

This sounds more like a Steel Panther video

[ryanmcfly]

Complained to my best friend that the cover of Wish on linkin park’s new box set was censored and he replied with “what’s a fist without a fuck” and it made me chuckle.

[Indefinite_Cure]

Happy birthday to my favourite NIN album: Year Zero!

[tony.parente]

Lol remember when everyone was saying they were waiting for the year Year Zero was taking place in to repress the record

[Deacon Blackfire]

Look we were dumb and wrong, okay.

[sweeterthan]

well it’s may practically and it’s been so quiet. give us something for your birthday, reznor.


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[leftshoe18]

There are so many children's songs that use In The Hall Of The Mountain King for their music and every time one of my kids plays one I just want to listen to the Reznor and Ross version of that song from The Social Network.

[Toadflax]

We are both experiencing the most prolific period of musical output from Trent and company as well as coming up on 10 years without a full-length NIN album.

https://media.tenor.com/rg35kWNMWHUAAAAC/futurama-zapp.gif

[sweeterthan]

shit mirror is a perfect nin song. i just love the echo on “i think i knew the whole goddamn time goddamn goddamn goddamn goddamn”


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[leftshoe18]

I love Shit Mirror but I still think it's probably the worst song title in the entire NIN discography.

[bobbie solo]

I love Shit Mirror but I still think it's probably the worst song title in the entire NIN discography.

I mean, he coulda went with Poop Reflective Surface. I say we won in the end.

[chuckrh]

shit mirror is a perfect nin song. i just love the echo on “i think i knew the whole goddamn time goddamn goddamn goddamn goddamn”


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Especially the live version with Robin singing lead. Love Robin's vocals!

[Erneuert]

I mean, he coulda went with Poop Reflective Surface. I say we won in the end.

Or Defecation Display. We definitely won.

[Toadflax]

I love Shit Mirror but I still think it's probably the worst song title in the entire NIN discography.


I mean, he coulda went with Poop Reflective Surface. I say we won in the end.


Or Defecation Display. We definitely won.

Come on, guys; Ass Glass was right there.

[versusreality]

my random NIN thought of the day is I really really miss seeing NIN live and hope we get a tour later this year.

[chuckrh]

my random NIN thought of the day is I really really miss seeing NIN live and hope we get a tour later this year.

The 3 night theater run that was supposed to happen in Seattle would be good. :)

[leftshoe18]

I'm listening to a recording of the Nine Inch Nails show I went to in 2008. Got a speeding ticket leaving school and drove the wrong way down a one-way trying to find parking. I wasn't a great driver at 17. lol Best show I've ever been to and I'm super glad such a great recording of it exists.

[scorpiusdiamond]

I'm down the rabbit hole now with TR and Roger Waters chatting. How time flies.



I was just looking for something about this in light of recent news (which I’m surprised hasn’t been discussed on here yet). I knew there was a tenuous link between Trent and Waters thanks to Meathead but I didn’t realise it came from this interview. Very weird.

[versusreality]

Thinking about when I was lining up for tickets for the NIN tour in 2018. NYC, Radio City. Almost 5 years ago to the day. It was the day before my grad school graduation and I was concerned about the rain, staying in it for hours and getting sick and missing graduation (I never ended up getting sick) . Anyway, I remember the tourists constantly stopping and staring at the NIN fans. They'd ask us, "who are you in line for?" and we'd explain. But it got tiresome. So after a while, we just started trolling the tourists. "Who are you in line to see?" "Yani!!" we'd respond. It got to the point where a car came out of the parking garage beneath Radio City, and we were shouting "Yani is in that car!!! Yani, please take a picture with us!" and started chanting "Yani! Yani! Yani!" , tourists across the street outside of "Top of the Rock" started shouting out for Yani too lol! Fun times.

[Deacon Blackfire]

Ah yes, the Radio City Physical World ticket sale certainly was an experience! I remember being such a sour little bitch about having to buy the tickets in person, mostly because I knew I was going to end up doing it, and do it I did. Hours and hours of standing in the pouring rain and I'd do it again tomorrow if it meant more NIN live. Hell, in some ways, it'd be better than dealing with the LiveNation horseshit last year. The fact I got face value tickets for the three 2022 NIN shows I went to was just pure blind luck.


my random NIN thought of the day is I really really miss seeing NIN live and hope we get a tour later this year.

Right there with you, my friend. I've been fortunate enough to see some really great shows this year (Algiers w/ Party Dozen & Shop Talk, Skinny Puppy w/ Lead Into Gold, Fever Ray w/ Christeene) and they have made me so hungry for more live music, especially Nine Inch Nails. Any touring this year seems like a remote possibility but nothing would make me happier than a surprise handful of shows. I'm also crossing my fingers that the end of the Cold & Black & Infinite era doesn't necessarily mean a lineup change, considering this iteration of the band debuted with I Can't Seem To Wake Up 2017 and that the Cold & Black & Infinite tour began in fall 2018, after the three Vegas shows and the Europe + Asia-Pacific leg. While there is exciting potential to any change in the lineup, the sheer volume of songs this iteration of the band knows is such an incredible asset and I'd love to see them just build on that.

I've seen some people speculate that the next tour (if there is one) will be completely different, with much more intense visuals and production and a defined setlist they more or less stick to each night. It's certainly possible, they've done such tours before and I'll be eager to see whatever incarnation may come next, but that's not nearly as exciting a prospect to me as these past tours. The stripped down lighting was not only perfectly intense, it was minimal enough production that the setlists could vary dramatically night to night. Obviously that makes the shows more fun and exciting to us fans but I have to imagine that it also makes the shows more fun and exciting to the band too, certainly more so than playing a locked-in set every evening. I feel like Trent has moved away from crazy intricate and wild concert tech and effects - he has expressed annoyance at seeing other artists rip off the innovations he paved the way for but more than that, the sheer expense of a heavily-produced arena tour may be out of NIN's budget at this point. Tension 2013, their last tour with that kind of really intense production, was excellent and extremely well done but I'm not sure what the profit margins were with how expensive it seemed. Such sophisticated visuals in such big venues puts a lot of pressure on filling all those seats financially. A couple nights in a row at a mid-sized to smaller venue with more low key production is not only a much, much surer bet to turn a profit, it's a much surer bet for a more rewarding show.

[tony.parente]

How do we trick Trent to make a NIN record instead of his 328th movie score in 5 years.

[Something Underneath]

How do we trick Trent to make a NIN record instead of his 328th movie score in 5 years.
Well USA going to shit[more than before at least-it was always shit]inspired Not The Actual Events and the EP trilogy and Corona gave us Ghosts V-VI so let's wait for WW3 for the next epic NIN release!

[sweeterthan]

How do we trick Trent to make a NIN record instead of his 328th movie score in 5 years.

reverse psychology? maybe if we all pretend to not care anymore, he’ll be like BAM! new music.

[Khrz]

reverse psychology? maybe if we all pretend to not care anymore, he’ll be like BAM! new music.


We also need to gush at the slightest ambient noise and go "Is this Trent Reznor ?", that'll piss him off !

[fillow]

We also need to gush at the slightest ambient noise and go "Is this Trent Reznor ?", that'll piss him off !
"Disappointment of the year. Sounds like a KMFDM ripoff"

[scorpiusdiamond]

Listening through albums I missed this year, there's a very late NIN/HTDA sounding break on "A&W" by Lana Del Rey (4:03-5:51)
https://youtu.be/pYqky795R1s?t=243

[Ruined]

Meathead starts posting a few belated NIN album reviews and TR mentions a possible hiatus for NIN albums/touring. Coincidence?

[dominik]

I insisted that chatgpt tells me if it likes QOTSA or NIN more


If I were to hypothetically possess personal taste as a human, it would be subjective and based on my individual preferences. Please keep in mind that these preferences are entirely fictional since I am an AI language model. That being said, as an imaginary human, I might personally lean towards Nine Inch Nails. I appreciate their innovative blend of industrial rock, electronic elements, and introspective lyrics. However, this preference would be purely fictional, as I do not have personal opinions or preferences as an AI.

admin edit: **moved from NIN Spotting due to no spotting here**

[dominik]

I'm so sorry but I asked Chat GPT to come up with a collab album of Kylie Minogue and NIN.. and it just sounds too good not to share


imaginine that Nine Inch Nails make a new album with Kylie Minogue. what would the album name be, what would the song names be, and how would you write a press text for the release?


Album Title: "Collision of Shadows"

Song Titles:
1. "Dark Pulse"
2. "Echoes of Desire"
3. "Fading Embers"
4. "Fractured Dreams"
5. "Sinister Rapture"
6. "Electric Surrender"
7. "Frozen Echo"
8. "Whispered Vengeance"
9. "Silent Rebellion"
10. "Eternal Obsidian"

Press Release:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

NINE INCH NAILS AND KYLIE MINOGUE UNITE IN UNEXPECTED COLLABORATION, DELIVERING UNPARALLELED SONIC EXPERIENCE WITH "COLLISION OF SHADOWS"

[City, Date] – In an unprecedented collision of musical worlds, iconic industrial rock pioneers Nine Inch Nails and the queen of pop Kylie Minogue have joined forces to create their groundbreaking collaborative album, "Collision of Shadows." This audacious project brings together the raw intensity of Nine Inch Nails' Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross, known for their dark and brooding soundscapes, with the mesmerizing vocals and pop sensibilities of Kylie Minogue.

"Collision of Shadows" ventures into uncharted territory, pushing the boundaries of musical genres and defying expectations. The album's ten tracks intertwine Nine Inch Nails' trademark gritty industrial sounds with Kylie Minogue's captivating vocals, resulting in a hauntingly beautiful marriage of raw power and ethereal melodies.

From the opening track, "Dark Pulse," to the captivating finale, "Eternal Obsidian," each song on "Collision of Shadows" is a testament to the creative synergy that blossomed between these two iconic artists. "Echoes of Desire" blends Nine Inch Nails' signature distorted guitars with Kylie Minogue's evocative lyrics, while "Whispered Vengeance" delves deep into haunting electronic atmospheres punctuated by Minogue's mesmerizing vocal performance.

Lead vocalist Trent Reznor shared his excitement about the collaboration, stating, "Working with Kylie Minogue has been a revelation. Her versatility and willingness to explore new musical territories have challenged us in ways we never expected. 'Collision of Shadows' is the result of a meeting of minds, a fusion of our distinct styles, and an exploration of the shadows that exist within us all."

Kylie Minogue expressed her admiration for Nine Inch Nails' visionary approach, saying, "Creating 'Collision of Shadows' with Nine Inch Nails has been an incredible journey. Their dark and powerful soundscapes have provided the perfect canvas for me to explore my own depths as an artist. This album truly represents a collision of our respective worlds and is a testament to the transformative power of music."

"Collision of Shadows" is set to captivate audiences worldwide, breaking down barriers and captivating listeners from diverse musical backgrounds. This unique collaboration pushes the boundaries of artistry, defying expectations and leaving an indelible mark on the musical landscape.

"Collision of Shadows" will be available on all major streaming platforms and in physical formats starting [release date]. Prepare to be immersed in a sonic journey like no other as Nine Inch Nails and Kylie Minogue collide to create a world of dark, intoxicating beauty.

###

Note: This press release is a fictional creation and does not reflect any actual plans or collaborations between Nine Inch Nails and Kylie Minogue.

edit: the first interview is out


Interviewer: We're here today with Trent Reznor and Kylie Minogue, two incredible artists who have joined forces for their new collaborative album, "Collision of Shadows." How did this unexpected pairing come about?

Trent: Well, you know, Kylie and I were having a late-night karaoke session at this underground club in Berlin. She belted out "Closer" while I attempted "Can't Get You Out of My Head," and somehow, in that chaotic mix, we realized there might be something interesting to explore together.

Kylie: (Laughs) It was a hilarious moment, indeed. I think we both surprised ourselves with how well our contrasting styles meshed. Trent's intense industrial vibes and my pop sensibilities collided in the most unexpected way, hence the album title.

Interviewer: That's fantastic! So, tell us, what was it like working together in the studio?

Trent: Kylie brought this infectious energy to the sessions. We'd be working on a dark, brooding track, and she'd come in with this dazzling smile, radiating positivity. It was like sunshine piercing through the shadows.

Kylie: And Trent's meticulous attention to detail blew my mind. I'd be humming a melody, and he'd transform it into something haunting and powerful. It was a true collaboration, bouncing ideas off each other and surprising ourselves along the way.

Interviewer: That sounds like a magical creative process. Were there any funny moments or inside jokes during the recording?

Trent: Oh, plenty! We had this ongoing debate about who could rock the black eyeliner better. I think we settled on a tie, but Kylie definitely wins in the glitter department.

Kylie: (Laughs) And I have to mention Trent's dance moves during our studio breaks. Let's just say his industrial stomping took a pop twist. It was a sight to behold.

Interviewer: I can only imagine! So, what can fans expect from "Collision of Shadows"?

Trent: A sonic rollercoaster ride! It's an exploration of our combined strengths, with unexpected twists and turns. We've crafted something that blurs the lines between our genres and leaves listeners questioning what they thought they knew about us.

Kylie: Absolutely! It's a dark and seductive journey with moments of pure pop ecstasy. Prepare to have your musical boundaries challenged and your senses heightened.

Interviewer: Well, we can't wait to experience "Collision of Shadows." Thank you both for joining us today and sharing these delightful stories. Best of luck with the album and any future collaborations!

Trent: Thank you! It's been a pleasure.

Kylie: Thank you so much. We're excited for everyone to hear what we've created together.

[TheBang]

I'll admit, I laughed at the thought of Trent doing karaoke in an underground Berlin club.

[MrLobster]

It just occurred to me that perhaps one of the reasons the Happiness In Slavery video didn't have such an effect on me is because some of the imagery reminded me a lot of scenes from T2 and had to come to terms with that already (thinking specifically of the forearm stuff) .

[Toadflax]

I was just listening to Queens of the Stone Age and was thinking how cool it would be if NIN, QOTSA, and Foo Fighters did a big show/tour together where they each had their own sets, but also did Mantra and Copy of A / My God Is The Sun together, had Trent come out for the QOTSA songs he guested on, have Dave come out for the QOTSA and NIN songs he drummed on, have a crazy Josh Freese / Ilan Rubin drum-off, plus some new collaborations and surprises they'd whip up just for the tour.

Putting this out into the universe in hopes it happens someday. :)

[scorpiusdiamond]

Petition for this guy to become the next NIN drummer

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJXayTF6/

[bobbie solo]

I was just listening to Queens of the Stone Age and was thinking how cool it would be if NIN, QOTSA, and Foo Fighters did a big show/tour together where they each had their own sets, but also did Mantra and Copy of A / My God Is The Sun together, had Trent come out for the QOTSA songs he guested on, have Dave come out for the QOTSA and NIN songs he drummed on, have a crazy Josh Freese / Ilan Rubin drum-off, plus some new collaborations and surprises they'd whip up just for the tour.

Putting this out into the universe in hopes it happens someday. :)

I like this idea, and I think NIN, Tool & RATM should do some big football stadium all day type shows as well. They each get an hour & 15, there's some smaller openers too, and the shows starts somewhere around 4pm. I don't part. like football stadium shows, but people would def go, and it would be quite the spectacle. Tool & RATM could alternate ending each show since they're clearly bigger than NIN at this point. Prolly wouldn't happen, but there's alot of friendships & collaborations between many members of these bands, and they are the three remaining big 90's aggressive alt acts that have basically the same audience.

[sonic_discord]

Imagine the possibilities for guest appearances and cross-pollination that would be possible with something like this.

Friday:
TOOL
Rage Against the Machine
Alice in Chains
Run the Jewels
Tenacious D
Billy Howerdel
Green Jellÿ

Saturday:
Nine Inch Nails
Queens of the Stone Age
Ministry
Puscifer
Death From Above 1979
Tobacco
HEALTH

Sunday:
Foo Fighters
Ghost
A Perfect Circle
Them Crooked Vultures
Royal Blood
How to Destroy Angels
Saul Williams

[shagg_187]

Imagine the possibilities for guest appearances and cross-pollination that would be possible with something like this.

Friday:
TOOL
Rage Against the Machine
Alice in Chains
Run the Jewels
Tenacious D
Billy Howerdel
Green Jellÿ

Saturday:
Nine Inch Nails
Queens of the Stone Age
Ministry
Puscifer
Death From Above 1979
Tobacco
HEALTH

Sunday:
Foo Fighters
Ghost
A Perfect Circle
Them Crooked Vultures
Royal Blood
How to Destroy Angels
Saul Williams


What is this?! A $1000 weekend?!

Probably be worth it though.

[sonic_discord]

What is this?! A $1000 weekend?!

Probably be worth it though.

Lol probably. But it would certainly be worth it and I'd pay to go without batting an eye! If you saw half the bands throughout the course of the year, it would be over $1k easy (though it SHOULDN'T be. Fuck you, TicketMaster). Tool, NIN, Foo Fighters, Rage, and QotSA alone would probably break $1,000.

[scorpiusdiamond]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230707/f3cff58c866625ef469b5459313b317f.jpg

Hilarious random throw in there from Spotify’s algorithm

[sonic_discord]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230707/f3cff58c866625ef469b5459313b317f.jpg

Hilarious random throw in there from Spotify’s algorithm

I'm surprised it's even on Spotify. I looked for Option 30 on Apple Music, but no luck there.

[nihilmatters]

I have a mint copy of Slam Bamboos' "White Lies" on vinyl, which also has production by Sean Beavan on it.

I'm shocked that any streaming service would have any of their music online. I wonder if anyone gets a random check for $2 in the mail for royalties?

[TinDefacto]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to note this, but others may find this interesting: apparently that old Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D wallpaper (that I've been using as my phone background for the past decade and a half) is an edited (and reversed) picture of the Matosinhos oil refinery in Leça de Palmeira, Portugal.

Compare:

https://cdn.wallpapersafari.com/85/50/Xtxh5D.jpg

https://as2.ftcdn.net/v2/jpg/02/94/64/51/1000_F_294645186_rTn5q26jHLeyQeAOerfN5M0sMfHx3oKl. jpg

[ninlive]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to note this, but others may find this interesting: apparently that old Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D wallpaper (that I've been using as my phone background for the past decade and a half) is an edited (and reversed) picture of the Matosinhos oil refinery in Leça de Palmeira, Portugal.


Really cool you found this. Never knew it. Always wanted to know where Rob got this imagery. Makes sense because they were in Portugal at the start of the 2007 tour.

[fillow]

Pretty sure Rob mentioned it somewhere on Patreon or in one of his occasional twitter threads about past NIN work. But I def remember reading this somewhere.

[sweeterthan]

guess what everyone? the becoming is about tinnitus https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/151npxp/is_this_true_i_have_my_doubts/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1


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[nihilmatters]

guess what everyone? the becoming is about tinnitus


...and Piggy is about body positivity despite societal judgment concerning obesity.

90s Trent was ahead of his time.

[henryeatscereal]

guess what everyone? the becoming is about tinnitus https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/151npxp/is_this_true_i_have_my_doubts/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1


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Un-official video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgJZ28RuJaw

[shagg_187]

Tinnitus?

More like Ninnitus.

...

....

...

I'll show myself out.

[chuckrh]

I think Trent should put out a best of the CB&I tour release. Soundboards!

[scorpiusdiamond]

I think Trent should put out a best of the CB&I tour release. Soundboards!

That would be awesome, but I think since NIN left Interscope they've not been able to do their own releases of past discography in any form - hence why the 3D Lights In The Sky release never happened, and why we haven't had any live releases since Beside You In Time.

[chuckrh]

That would be awesome, but I think since NIN left Interscope they've not been able to do their own releases of past discography in any form - hence why the 3D Lights In The Sky release never happened, and why we haven't had any live releases since Beside You In Time.
Ya, Jimmy Iovine needs more money haha.

[BRoswell]

That would be awesome, but I think since NIN left Interscope they've not been able to do their own releases of past discography in any form...

Not true. They did the vinyl re-releases for Broken, The Downward Spiral, and The Fragile.

I don't think there's any legal issues with putting out a live release. I think it's just a lack of enthusiasm from Trent & Atticus. I mean, how many live projects have fallen by the wayside at this point? It's possible that they just want us to have the live experience...well...live.

[allegate]

Ya, Jimmy Iovine needs more money haha.

lest ye forget...

Untitled, 2021 | LACMA (https://www.lacma.org/node/40977)

Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral by Richard Prince Gallery – Interscope Records (https://interscope.com/products/nine-inch-nails-the-downward-spiral-by-richard-prince-gallery)

lol

[scorpiusdiamond]

Not true. They did the vinyl re-releases for Broken, The Downward Spiral, and The Fragile.

I don't think there's any legal issues with putting out a live release. I think it's just a lack of enthusiasm from Trent & Atticus. I mean, how many live projects have fallen by the wayside at this point? It's possible that they just want us to have the live experience...well...live.

I’m guessing that’s because they’re already an established release rather than a new thing. Legalities/royalties/more would dictate that likely the same people would be getting paid as they had from CD/online/streaming sales. A new product would mean a different deal.

As for the second element, I disagree, especially with Trent directly shouting out fan efforts of live bootleg releases

[shagg_187]

Ever see an item for sale, and you get so excited and say "I wish I had this item", and then you buy it. And then days later you realize you already have it?

I just ordered Option 30 4-track 7" release a week ago from Japan. Saw it for $10 and immediately pulled out my credit card and went ham. Just found out a few minutes ago that I already own one... I just never saw it in my collection cause it's a 7" release...

The other day, I almost bought "Bigger. Messier" because I remembered the first time I got a wrong record from Amazon, but the price turned me off. Today, I realized I already own it. Laughed my ass off.

My darn collection is almost complete, and I keep buying stuff I don't need. Literally missing only 5 items that are super hard to find.

I'm getting old.

[Erneuert]

“WTF!” from NiggyTardust is such an ear worm. Would love to hear one with all of Trent on vocals, not just the first line.

[fillow]

It's funny how Trent never once addressed California or LA specifically as his home state/hometown at the NIN shows, despite living there on permanent basis for 20 years now (and a few years in the 90s too). Yet every time he passes through NOLA and various cities in Ohio and Pennsylvania, it's always hometown gigs to him (based on stage banter).

[BRoswell]

It's funny how Trent never once addressed California or LA specifically as his home state/hometown at the NIN shows, despite living there on permanent basis for 20 years now (and a few years in the 90s too). Yet every time he passes through NOLA and various cities in Ohio and Pennsylvania, it's always hometown gigs to him (based on stage banter).

I don't know how Trent feels, but to me, there's where you live, and then there's "home". "Home" is more mental and emotional than physical. They may be the same place, or they may not be. It just depends on your own experiences.

[sweeterthan]

he probably doesn’t want to tip off any local crazed fans.

[BRoswell]

I was watching David Bowie: The Last Five Years the other night, and a thought came to mind. Trent is now roughly the same age Bowie was when he had his heart attack and stopped touring. I have to wonder if that's part of why Trent is a bit more wary about touring these days. Not that Trent can't still tear it up on stage, but I have to imagine that sort of thing weighs on your mind when you get to that age.

[Wulgaren]

i’m totally fine with him not touring and protecting his health, all that traveling must take a huge toll on person too

[chuckrh]

i’m totally fine with him not touring and protecting his health, all that traveling must take a huge toll on person too
Not to mention raising his kids. They're only little once.

[Elrickooo]

I know Trent had his reason for not appearing in the old town road video but it would of been so funny if him and Atticuss were in the dance hall scene at the end

[elevenism]

I always thought that NIN would end, like, doing Still type shows. NOW, that we've ALL these movie scores to further complicate things, what do you guys think?

1.Will T-Rex roll it till the wheels fall off like the Rolling Stones, screaming about fist fucking at 26 when he's 76?

2.Will it be Just Like I Imagined, with laid back, Still style performances, at small, upscale venues, and old fans cheering too loud when old timey NIN songs are played?

3. Will it be TR±AR shows at intimate venues, with old school fans cheering too loud as we hear the beginning of SICNH, The Frail, or like, Sunspots:2030 edition, peppered between Ghosts/Soundtrack stuff?

Or, 4. Will we get NOTHING, and like it?

I know this is hard to think about. But don't you guys wonder why the set lists have been so fucking crazy as of late, and why, for instance, songs like TPD just made its live debut seven years ago? I thought we had more time.

They BETTER not be SECRETLY doing Wave Goodbye 2.0-The REAL One. I have this same concern with my OTHER favorite band, Old 97s, who started in 92 and released their first record in 93.

This question is becoming disturbingly relevant.

[Erneuert]

I think he’ll just keep going like Gary Numan is.

[fillow]

If they ever do acoustic/Still/scores tour, it will be def advertised as such and will probably be in all seater venues. And probably with some visual element going on so everyone would just stfu and watch/listen. This will likely cut off most of potential drunk bro screamers from the get-go. Trent did touch this subject briefly in that long Watchmen-era webcast interview.

(BTW were there any drunk bros screaming "play head like a hoooole" at HTDA shows?)

Come on Trent, it's time do this already. It will be everything he wants from the shows, really:
- new setlists, so the shows def not feel like going through motions
- re-learning and re-working all the material again to keep shit interesting
- still/scores type of show that he mentioned several times during his career as something he'd like to do at some point
- given the nature of this kind of show, it's probably be relatively short tour. Let's say a month of rehearsing (and auditioning for potential new players) and a month of actual shows (but probably less than that). leaves plenty of time to spend with the family around that dates.
- no pressure to have a new album ready for this
- ???
- PROFIT

[Erneuert]

If they ever do acoustic/Still/scores tour, it will be def advertised as such and will probably be in all seater venues. And probably with some visual element going on so everyone would just stfu and watch/listen. This will likely cut off most of potential drunk bro screamers from the get-go. Trent did touch this subject briefly in that long Watchmen-era webcast interview.

(BTW were there any drunk bros screaming "play head like a hoooole" at HTDA shows?)

Come on Trent, it's time do this already. It will be everything he wants from the shows, really:
- new setlists, so the shows def not feel like going through motions
- re-learning and re-working all the material again to keep shit interesting
- still/scores type of show that he mentioned several times during his career as something he'd like to do at some point
- given the nature of this kind of show, it's probably be relatively short tour. Let's say a month of rehearsing (and auditioning for potential new players) and a month of actual shows (but probably less than that). leaves plenty of time to spend with the family around that dates.
- no pressure to have a new album ready for this
- ???
- PROFIT

His eldest probably knows how to play 12 instruments by now, so they could join him on stage as well.

[Wulgaren]

i wish trent would see this now
https://www.nin.wiki/images/4/4b/2004_05_07Questions2.gif

[mfte]

https://y.yarn.co/f8accaaf-14eb-4c08-9475-2ff874474dbf_thumb.jpg

New NIN is coming... New NIN is coming...

[allegate]

If they ever do acoustic/Still/scores tour, it will be def advertised as such and will probably be in all seater venues. And probably with some visual element going on so everyone would just stfu and watch/listen. This will likely cut off most of potential drunk bro screamers from the get-go. Trent did touch this subject briefly in that long Watchmen-era webcast interview.

(BTW were there any drunk bros screaming "play head like a hoooole" at HTDA shows?)

Come on Trent, it's time do this already. It will be everything he wants from the shows, really:
- new setlists, so the shows def not feel like going through motions
- re-learning and re-working all the material again to keep shit interesting
- still/scores type of show that he mentioned several times during his career as something he'd like to do at some point
- given the nature of this kind of show, it's probably be relatively short tour. Let's say a month of rehearsing (and auditioning for potential new players) and a month of actual shows (but probably less than that). leaves plenty of time to spend with the family around that dates.
- no pressure to have a new album ready for this
- ???
- PROFIT

should pull a Trans-Siberian Orchestra and have two touring setups, him on the west coast and Atticus on the east (or vice versa, you east coasties ;p ) and tour through a fall/autumn season. The music could fit the weather.

[Erneuert]

https://y.yarn.co/f8accaaf-14eb-4c08-9475-2ff874474dbf_thumb.jpg

New NIN is coming... New NIN is coming...


Can we have a new album, Trent? No.
Can we have a new album, Trent? No.
Can we have a new album, Trent? No.
Can we have a new album, Trent? No.
IF I SAY YES WILL ETS SHUT UP?
Yes. So, can we have a new album, Trent?
YES!

THANKS DAD!

[FRDU]

Just revisited The Fragile in forever and noticed how similar vibes Into the Void and Marilyn Manson's I Don't Like the Drugs has. Just a random thought nothing much more to it.

[wizfan]

Random observation: I was checking out the multitracks of Lights in the Sky and the flute track sounds very similar to the one heard in the bridge of the third track of the NiggyTardust album. I guess Trent used the same flute Kontakt library on both, heh.

[DiagnoseMeHarder]

More unsolicited satire to try to help myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDcl4kyd6Vw

[Erneuert]

New iPhone 15 wallpaper looks like a ripoff of the Ghosts I-IV cover, lol. First Kia with the logo…

[chuckrh]

It probably won't happen but I sure would like to see what Trent could come up with in the Vegas Sphere. The footage of U2 there is amazing. I think Danny Elfman could come up with something interesting also.

[tony.parente]

I wonder if NIN will ever play st louis again.

[Erneuert]

I wonder if NIN will ever play again.

Me too.

[thefragile_jake]

https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/rexfeatures_8971600bn_trent_reznor_1000.jpg

I love Twin Peaks era Trent.

[BRoswell]

Leather daddy Trent is my favorite Trent.

[wizfan]

Holy shit... I found another sample in PHM. Yes, we all know that the intro drum loop of Art of Noise's Beat Box was sampled in Ruiner, but did you also know that another portion of the same track was sampled in Ringfinger? I'm talking about the screechy sound at 3:31 here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR2I1kuZ3wk

Now go to Ringfinger, at 4:08:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o30Js248cvw

[henryeatscereal]

https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/rexfeatures_8971600bn_trent_reznor_1000.jpg

I love Twin Peaks era Trent.
"Trent is cool

...he's always been cool"

[Wulgaren]

i could really use some nin album right now in my life...

[Lerxto]

I miss nin

[sweeterthan]

I miss nin

every damn day

[ghostaustin]

Is there even any score work that we're aware of after Challengers?

Also, next year is the 30th anniversary of TDS, so I wonder if there's going to be a Deviations

[benoïde]

Trent has spoken previously about the pressure of doing a NIN record, which I understand. But I really wonder what would be the result if he and Atticus stopped giving a fuck about that pressure. They don't owe anything to anybody at this point.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Trent has spoken previously about the pressure of doing a NIN record, which I understand. But I really wonder what would be the result if he and Atticus stopped giving a fuck about that pressure. They don't owe anything to anybody at this point.

I think it has more to do with them feeling pressure to live up to their own expectations of themselves before they care about what anyone else thinks.