Random NIN Thoughts

[scorpiusdiamond]

I keep thinking Year Zero is 13 years ago, not 15

Also if we lockdown here again I might have to go on a serious deep dive of the album and ARG to occupy my time

[WorzelG]

A user on here Warped_savant created an amazing working copy of all the ARG websites, he PMd it to me. I think I still have them all on google drive

[Wulgaren]

would you mind PMing me them?

it would be awesome if they were accessible to everyone

[Erneuert]

Just found this in storage from one of the Sydney shows that I forgot I even had (set list, “Sydney2”) with two picks from the gig. Do these usually fetch much on eBay?

Pic:

https://i.ibb.co/NVw9b09/C8-B2-D139-77-F0-4870-855-A-577916981-B78.jpg (https://ibb.co/vw23RN3)

[ekrekel]

I keep thinking Year Zero is 13 years ago, not 15

Also if we lockdown here again I might have to go on a serious deep dive of the album and ARG to occupy my time

Here's a bunch of them (https://yearzero.netninja.com/) someone collected years ago. It's not exactly the same experience but it'll sure bring some memories back.

I enjoy flipping through Exhibit 24 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DTjQLPDl1gB_wUc6CGW-CFieDeBCU9_G/view?usp=sharing) more.

That said; do you think TR/AR go to the Academy Awards this year? 15 years ago they sorta predicted it wasn't going to be a great event to attend (Page 297).

Edit: vvv touche vvv my timeline was certainly off. Maybe they cranked it all out last cycle for a reason.

[WorzelG]

Here's a bunch of them (https://yearzero.netninja.com/) someone collected years ago. It's not exactly the same experience but it'll sure bring some memories back.

I enjoy flipping through Exhibit 24 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DTjQLPDl1gB_wUc6CGW-CFieDeBCU9_G/view?usp=sharing) more.

That said; do you think TR/AR go to the Academy Awards this year? 15 years ago they sorta predicted it wasn't going to be a great event to attend (Page 297).
It would have been ironic if they were up for awards this year

[Wulgaren]

was there any other loud noise sound in those year zero arg pages besides the vessel one? i remember getting scared shitless, turning my computer off and running away when i was like 12 when i heard it lmfao
but now i checked and it doesnt seem that scary at all (granted i expected it and my volume wasnt set too loud but still im curious if there was any other one)

[mauro995]

Thought it was a good idea to spend Christmas editing this


https://youtu.be/zPUiQ3b0H4o

[fillow]

Thought it was a good idea to spend Christmas editing this


That's a pretty nice random NIN thought for sure!

Do you have any plans for future projects in mind? I think there's some small chance we might accidentally tackle on the same thing, lol.
DM me if that's okay, I won't spoil things.

[spahn]

Weird that NIN FB account posted the Came Back Haunted, Audio Only, video today.

https://fb.watch/anoqlRiyVB/


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[acrid avid jam shred]

Just found this in storage from one of the Sydney shows that I forgot I even had (set list, “Sydney2”) with two picks from the gig. Do these usually fetch much on eBay?

Pic:

https://i.ibb.co/NVw9b09/C8-B2-D139-77-F0-4870-855-A-577916981-B78.jpg (https://ibb.co/vw23RN3)

Ooooh, that's so cool! I went to the gig the night before! Those NIN guitar picks are awesome.

[sonic_discord]

I want a NIN pick or two. I've never been lucky enough to get one at a show. I've been lucky enough to get them at other shows (APC, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, Metallica, Pennywise), but never NIN.

[sick among the pure]

I want a NIN pick or two. I've never been lucky enough to get one at a show. I've been lucky enough to get them at other shows (APC, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, Metallica, Pennywise), but never NIN.

I've been to 20 shows, rail for the majority of them, and never gotten a pick/stick/stage goodie other than a setlist from a festival because the security guards were impressed I stayed up there all day just for them. Don't know if it's luck or what. I am however in a friend's will to get a LITS tour tambourine.

[fillow]

I just realized that vocal melody from Underneath It All repeats or references musical melody from The Great Below. Mind = blown. The Easter egg hunt never ends with this album.

[Erneuert]

I just realized that vocal melody from Underneath It All repeats or references musical melody from The Great Below. Mind = blown. The Easter egg hunt never ends with this album.

The “all I do I can still feel you” part? Yeah, I only realised that not too long ago myself.

[mfte]

I am looking forward to one day google searching Nine Inch Nails news and not seeing Halsey's name come up.

[ghostaustin]

I am looking forward to one day google searching Nine Inch Nails news and not seeing Halsey's name come up.
This past week, I've been checking nin.com in hopes of an update. Anything, really

[scorpiusdiamond]

Karaoke just came up as a subject at my work (music venue) and I remembered the time I got very drunk and did Closer
Enjoy these previews of Nine Inch Nails karaoke - https://www.karafun.co.uk/search/?query=nine+inch+nails

[sweeterthan]

yes hopefully the future news will include janelle monet’s name with nine inch nails. fingers crossed.


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[thelastdisciple]

I got to thinking about that "Volume" technology that Lucasfilm uses for shooting The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett.

Imagine a NIN concert film of some kind being created in there, the kind of visuals they had when using Moment Factory's gear but now it's even more immersive and has more dimension.

[Indefinite_Cure]

Would anyone in the power to do so please fix the song names for the Ghosts I-IV album on Spotify. THANKS!

[BRoswell]

Would anyone in the power to do so please fix the song names for the Ghosts I-IV album on Spotify. THANKS!

Spotify is garbage, so I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[zecho]

Would anyone in the power to do so please fix the song names for the Ghosts I-IV album on Spotify. THANKS!

What's wrong with the song names? I don't see an issue.

[Indefinite_Cure]

What's wrong with the song names? I don't see an issue.

https://open.spotify.com/album/3fu9R8ZSnE7hlRADQIVVOj


But to be fair, I noticed while doing the search again today that there are 2 versions of the album on Spotify now? One has the right tags. I can find that second one with the right tags on my computer, but not on my phone or firetv...
:confused:

[fillow]

Is that the same spotify the flooded last.fm with brilliant tags like Drive-in Saturday - 2013 Remaster that took over many artists' charts? Yeah nah, they don't care about correct titles.

[TheBang]

https://open.spotify.com/album/3fu9R8ZSnE7hlRADQIVVOj

But to be fair, I noticed while doing the search again today that there are 2 versions of the album on Spotify now? One has the right tags. I can find that second one with the right tags on my computer, but not on my phone or firetv...
:confused:
The only way I can see the one you linked is by using that direct link. If I use search or browse the NIN discography on my desktop browser, desktop app, or iOS app, I can only bring up the one that has the correct track names.

Note that the one that has the correct track names says "© 2008 The Null Corporation" and the one with the weird track names says "© 2008 nin", which is wrong.

[elevenism]

Just found this in storage from one of the Sydney shows that I forgot I even had (set list, “Sydney2”) with two picks from the gig. Do these usually fetch much on eBay?

Pic:

https://i.ibb.co/NVw9b09/C8-B2-D139-77-F0-4870-855-A-577916981-B78.jpg (https://ibb.co/vw23RN3)

If that's real, I'll give you...lemme think...$15 US for it.

[Erneuert]

If that's real, I'll give you...lemme think...$15 US for it.

lol, no.

[elevenism]

lol, no.

Ok. $10, US. Final offer. :p

Edit: also, while you're online,

Www.plex.tv (http://Www.plex.tv)

[scorpiusdiamond]

The only way I can see the one you linked is by using that direct link. If I use search or browse the NIN discography on my desktop browser, desktop app, or iOS app, I can only bring up the one that has the correct track names.

Note that the one that has the correct track names says "© 2008 The Null Corporation" and the one with the weird track names says "© 2008 nin", which is wrong.

Huh, that feels super dodgy to me, like someone might be skimming some money somehow?

[Wulgaren]

maybe its an upload by some fan when ghosts was missing from spotify?

[Maximilian]

I'd have to respectfully disagree with Trent or anyone who says "Hurt" is Johnny Cash's song now.

[snichols]

Especially after the 2018 tours where it was apparent that that song still hits like a ton of bricks at the end of the live show. Trent was visibly emotional while performing Hurt at all 5 shows I witnessed that year.

[Maximilian]

Oh yeah, when I saw them play it in 2000 I found myself tearing up and trust me I'm not a guy who cries that often.

[orson thrust]

I have always felt slightly underwhelmed by Not the actual event's artwork. I love the idea of the ink/powder and each piece ending up unique, but the actual re-use of the still layout....maybe i missed something and maybe the vision was never fully realized with the change up on part 3, when the original conclusion was abandoned. But the whole nostalgic look back was just done on the previous album... What piece am i missing? Anything ever come of those weird journal websites that had line for line lyrics within? I love NTAE btw. Burning bright is the best post fragile song, in my opinion.

[Erneuert]

I have always felt slightly underwhelmed by Not the actual event's artwork. I love the idea of the ink/powder and each piece ending up unique, but the actual re-use of the still layout....maybe i missed something and maybe the vision was never fully realized with the change up on part 3, when the original conclusion was abandoned. But the whole nostalgic look back was just done on the previous album... What piece am i missing? Anything ever come of those weird journal websites that had line for line lyrics within? I love NTAE btw. Burning bright is the best post fragile song, in my opinion.

It’s pretty puzzling. Especially with all the different variations of it (like 5 or 6 slightly different variants if you check NIN wiki). No official word ever given re: the schizophreniasdiary thing.

[Tom]

I have always felt slightly underwhelmed by Not the actual event's artwork. I love the idea of the ink/powder and each piece ending up unique, but the actual re-use of the still layout....maybe i missed something and maybe the vision was never fully realized with the change up on part 3, when the original conclusion was abandoned. But the whole nostalgic look back was just done on the previous album... What piece am i missing?
Nothing - TR said they did it to confuse people (his words).

[elevenism]

I REALLY hope we get more YZ.

It definitely still means something to Trent, what with the references in the AV physical component and the video for This Isn't the Place.

That was SUCH an amazing time to be an NIN fan, between the ARG, Year Zero, The Slip, LITS, Ghosts, Tardust, the "make your own remix" album, finding this board and having a lot of you guys scare the shit out of me but ALSO, seeing and interacting with a LOT of NIN fanatics for the first time, the megamixes made by...I can never remember the user name, but, those utterly incredible multi disc mixes, into Wave Goodbye, and all of it just rapid fire

I was 27-29 for all of that, and it REALLY felt like 92-95 all over again. I loved The Fragile of course, and dug With Teeth, but THAT time period that started with YZ, with all of the moving parts and creativity: it galvanized my fandom for the second time.
It was NIN Fever 2.0 in my life. It was like, holy shit, this band is firing on all cylinders, all over again, ultra creative, INSANELY vital, wildly prolific, deeply important, and utterly unpredictable, fifteen years after I discovered them.

It was SO much. And, holy hell, it was the midpoint of my fandom. 12, to 27, to 42 in a few weeks.

There was a girl up here, back then: I had a long distance relationship, and then I came up here for a bit, from dallas. I've got a LITS thing that I printed out, and a picture from Ghosts, with the birds, still hanging on the wall of this room.

I know it won't be the same as those years, but I REALLY hope we get new content from that universe. I hope we get a Year Zero sequel of some sort, and perhaps another groundbreaking show in terms of lights and effects. I'd love another politically charged vision of a near future dystopian hellscape

I always thought it would happen, that there would be some type of YZ sequel in '22, without a doubt. Now I'm not so sure. Now, we're kind of LIVING it already.
But I think there's a chance.
It would mean so damned much to me.

[Erneuert]

Just listened to NTAE in the car today with a fresh pair of ears after not listening to it for… a few years now. It’s strange, because the general sound of it and it’s themes sound completely different to me now, and certain words and expressions make more “sense” as time has gone by. For example I didn’t ever quite “get” Dear World, when it first came out, but now it just blows me away. Along with the whispered segments of The Idea of You, juxtaposing it with the louder, chaotic moments. It all feels and sounds so inspired, when at first it just came across to me as… weird and abstract, apart from Field On Fire (which most people can all agree is a sonic masterpiece). If and when this new tour happens, belting out The Idea of You as an opener into Not Anymore (love the “not anymore”/“but not anymore” lyrical motif that seems to appear on all three of the EP’s lyrics) would be fucking amazing to see happen.

The more I listen to it with a more mature pair of ears (out of the three EPs), this one just seems the most beautifully and chaotically put together; kind of telling you bits and pieces but just not enough to get a complete understanding of what’s going on, and that adds to its charm. The lyrics to Branches/Bones are particularly impressive and immersive when you haven’t had it on for a long time.

[Wulgaren]

yes ntae is fucking magickal and perfect! always takes me back to that winter

i love both of those little essays you two posted and i agree, i want nin to engage us once more, not many artists do that nowadays, its just music release and thats all, which is still cool but yeah

[Something Underneath]

I'd have to respectfully disagree with Trent or anyone who says "Hurt" is Johnny Cash's song now.
Never was.

[orson thrust]

Nothing - TR said they did it to confuse people (his words).

Oh wow, see that's news to me. Very glad to hear it was definitively the nin camp. I would love to read or watch it, if you know the source off hand.

[firewlker]

I'd have to respectfully disagree with Trent or anyone who says "Hurt" is Johnny Cash's song now.

Why NIN and JC fans take this quote too literally? lol, it was just a figure of speech.

[Tom]

Oh wow, see that's news to me. Very glad to hear it was definitively the nin camp. I would love to read or watch it, if you know the source off hand.
Here you go!

https://www.nin.com/trent-reznor-in-conversation-with-lizzy-goodman/

[ryanmcfly]

I hope these shows coincide with new music

[buckaroo]

I hope these shows coincide with new music

I would be really surprised and disappointed if not. I think everyone has been saying it, but a YZ sequel would be perfect right now. Considering how quiet it has been I wouldn’t be surprised if something new was imminent.

[fillow]

Did you guys notice that in the Cleveland promos NIN used font from Sin single and Ministry used the logo from Mind? Not sure about Nitzer Ebb. Is there a hint re: setlists?

Also, is the artwork just some random things or are we supposed to see something? There are few different versions floating around on fb/ig/twitter/reddit

1
https://i.imgur.com/Ofux8ty.png

2
https://i.imgur.com/JxAsClA.png

3a
https://i.imgur.com/fh1j0vh.png

3b (seems like the same one but stretched differently)
https://i.imgur.com/HHJpPcx.png

[MrLobster]

Is there a hint re: setlists?

If true, then we're looking '89/'90 for the logos... but given the year (2022), maybe including '92 to do a nice 30 year thing...

[elevenism]

If there REALLY isn't a YZ thing before...I'll say, mid 2023, I will be fucking FURIOUS.

I'll get over it. I got over 2.Outside: Contamination not existing.

But, you know, Bowie didn't set a future date.

He ALSO didn't continuously reference that date.

NIN has.

[WorzelG]

Why NIN and JC fans take this quote too literally? lol, it was just a figure of speech.
It drives me mad the amount of people who say things on Twitter like ‘NIN have never played that song again’ and I have the urge to put them right except it would make me seem a bit sad

[Erneuert]

Here’s one I don’t think we’ve talked about much.

Listening to The Slip for the first time in a while, and the “how did I slip into—” part of 999,999 kinda sounds like TR is reading from a longer verse or piece of prose or something. Does anyone know anything more about it? Read anything?

[wizfan]

Anyone near the Capitol Building? Keep an eye out for The Presence...

[nooneimportant]

It would be cool if they brought back the weird samples from movies and stuff that was in the PHM era.

[imail724]

Did you guys notice that in the Cleveland promos NIN used font from Sin single and Ministry used the logo from Mind? Not sure about Nitzer Ebb. Is there a hint re: setlists?

Also, is the artwork just some random things or are we supposed to see something? There are few different versions floating around on fb/ig/twitter/reddit

1
https://i.imgur.com/Ofux8ty.png

2
https://i.imgur.com/JxAsClA.png

3a
https://i.imgur.com/fh1j0vh.png

3b (seems like the same one but stretched differently)
https://i.imgur.com/HHJpPcx.pngThe one Ministry posted is a screenshot from In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up. Matter of fact, it's the thumbnail of the So What video on YouTube. My guess is the other two are NIN and Nitzer Ebb. Looks like each band posted a version with their own image. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220210/4717e2e43b2fb5b60336f8627dbf266a.jpg

[henryeatscereal]

^One of the greatest concerts, ever

[chuckrh]

Department of blame it on the weed: I had a brilliant idea. Have Danny Elfman join NIN. It would be beyond amazing! :D

[sonic_discord]

It would be sweet if they added HEALTH as an opener on these new shows so they could perform Isn't Everyone? together.

[Erneuert]

Did you guys notice that in the Cleveland promos NIN used font from Sin single and Ministry used the logo from Mind? Not sure about Nitzer Ebb. Is there a hint re: setlists?

Also, is the artwork just some random things or are we supposed to see something? There are few different versions floating around on fb/ig/twitter/reddit

1
https://i.imgur.com/Ofux8ty.png

2
https://i.imgur.com/JxAsClA.png

3a
https://i.imgur.com/fh1j0vh.png

3b (seems like the same one but stretched differently)
https://i.imgur.com/HHJpPcx.png

What are the other two images of? Ones looks like looking up at the moon in the forest at night but can’t discern the second one.

[imail724]

2 is a close up of a face.

[Erneuert]

2 is a close up of a face.

I must suck at Rorschach tests.

[imail724]

Think it might be this

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220211/060dabbe08bcf23a66272517e1021222.jpg

The NIN one is giving me HLAH video vibes, but I'm not sure

[FULLMETAL]

I'm feeling like kraw has a pool going to see when we will ID the imagery in the announcements.

[nooneimportant]

3rd image seems like it's Trent using the mic stand to smash a keyboard at Woodstock 94.

https://youtu.be/ZfV7NLCWiiU?t=4520

[Paul]

I don't know which is the best place to post this, but god (money) I'll do anything for... some new NIN music right now.

I'd even be happy for a super slow tease of clips that evolve over the course of months like 1999 Fragile era...

https://web.archive.org/web/20000511070822im_/http://www.nin.com/pix/enter.jpg

[sweeterthan]

I don't know which is the best place to post this, but god (money) I'll do anything for... some new NIN music right now.

I'd even be happy for a super slow tease of clips that evolve over the course of months like 1999 Fragile era...

https://web.archive.org/web/20000511070822im_/http://www.nin.com/pix/enter.jpg

i really miss the mystery and intrigue of early nin.com. the fragile build up was so interesting. even better was that 2005-2007 when we got a new photo practically every day on tour. there was thread here on ets where everyone would race to be the first to post that day’s photo. the silence these days from reznor sucks for me personally. i miss him on social media. he doesn’t use nin.com to speak directly much anymore. the site use to change a tiny bit and we’d all get excited. his twitter account seems to be more about observation than participation. i get why he’s become elusive again but i don’t like it. I’m sure it’s better for him and really, he doesn’t have to cater to us anymore. the tour is selling out without even a peep from him.

[BRoswell]

I definitely miss Trent being more interactive with the fans. I became a fan during the Year Zero/Ghosts/Slip era, so I was very spoiled by all the attention and teases he gave us. That said, having a family and juggling two different music careers must take up a lot of his time, so I can see why he doesn't do that anymore. All the negative interactions he had to deal with probably didn't help either.

[Wulgaren]

honestly i think that mystery and intrigue and all of the interactivity leads to all those amazing memories and nostalgia which just makes us love the accompanying music that much more, i'd love for it to return too, its what makes music not feel disposable in the digital age, not a vinyl imo

[Wulgaren]

speaking of: https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/sqswqt/strange_spotify_account/

lol

[GunnerThex]

speaking of: https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/sqswqt/strange_spotify_account/

lol
This sounds like songs at x0.000000000001 speed lol

[Jazzkokehead]

When was the last time Love is Not Enough was performed live? Listening to With Teeth now and man, that's a good song.

[GunnerThex]

When was the last time Love is Not Enough was performed live? Listening to With Teeth now and man, that's a good song.
2008

[botley]

2008

And only two times that year, which was, ironically, Not Enough:

https://youtu.be/FiYpVHoVn7c

[GunnerThex]

And only two times that year, which was, ironically, Not Enough:

https://youtu.be/FiYpVHoVn7c
The Collector is another song from With Teeth I hope they bring back soon...

[Jon]

Did you guys notice that in the Cleveland promos NIN used font from Sin single and Ministry used the logo from Mind? Not sure about Nitzer Ebb. Is there a hint re: setlists?

That Nitzer Ebb stylization is from the 88/89 Belief era

https://img.discogs.com/OxcBxfK_ia84WQa5VbNf9Axn4fQ=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/R-4057496-1462046143-6483.jpeg.jpg

Nine Inch Nails, October 1990
Ministry, November 1989
Nitzer Ebb, January 1989

[thefragile_jake]

Really hoping we see some more live debuts this year. Not sure how they would pull this off, but I could see the ensemble making this one work.


https://youtu.be/weuVPUtdjrY


And only two times that year, which was, ironically, Not Enough:

https://youtu.be/FiYpVHoVn7c

Hey! I was at that show. I remember this one they played when they came back out for the encore and I thought to myself "Really? This one?" since it was in such heavy rotation on the With Teeth tour. Guess it was a rarity post-WT. I can't even recall if You Know What You Are? was played on the Lights in the Sky tour.

[tony.parente]

We haven't had a traditional full nine inch nails album in 9 years. I hope we get one soon.

[botley]

I hope we get one soon.
Well now you've cursed it.

[tony.parente]

Well now you've cursed it.
9 more movie scores added to the queue.

[GunnerThex]

We haven't had a traditional full nine inch nails album in 9 years. I hope we get one soon.
Prepare yourself for YearZero sequel…

[Volk]

We haven't had a traditional full nine inch nails album in 9 years. I hope we get one soon.

I'm hoping he drops it this year during the tour or shortly after. We're probably not going to get many more albums or tours from NIN as we know it. We're all getting old.

[cdm]

We're probably not going to get many more albums or tours from NIN as we know it. We're all getting old.

I've thought about this more than a little recently.

[Erneuert]

Here’s one I don’t think we’ve talked about much.

Listening to The Slip for the first time in a while, and the “how did I slip into—” part of 999,999 kinda sounds like TR is reading from a longer verse or piece of prose or something. Does anyone know anything more about it? Read anything?

In addition to this, has there ever been any more discussion via official sources about the album cover? Why the red line sort of glitches once it reaches the head on the cover?

https://www.nin.wiki/The_Slip

The stuff Rob mentions is very interesting in the artwork section (I think I added that there a while ago).

Also, did anyone from the camp ever mention why Letting You has the ARG flag? Was it a track originally intended for YZ?

[botley]

Also, did anyone from the camp ever mention why Letting You has the ARG flag? Was it a track originally intended for YZ?
I think Rob said something on Facebook about there being an obvious conceptual connection via the lyrics but it wasn't an outtake or anything like that.

[Erneuert]

^ Cheers!

I wouldn’t want Trent to be my dad and yell at me if I accidentally deleted a key part of a new song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2GCv36i3o (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2GCv36i3o)

[Erneuert]

Hard to believe Sin is in the top 10 most played live songs as of right now. It feels like a rarity when it’s played!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ2Ehkw5-3Y (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ2Ehkw5-3Y)

[Erneuert]

Sorry for the triple post, but this just came to my head like 10 seconds ago while I was trying to fall asleep.
piggy - you know how The Frail has the same piano coda/melody whatever as The Fragile? Am I slow or has this been pointed out before? -

The Frail
The Fra(g)il(e)

Intentional?

[ekrekel]

Hard to believe Sin is in the top 10 most played live songs as of right now. It feels like a rarity when it’s played!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ2Ehkw5-3Y (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ2Ehkw5-3Y)

Top 20 may be cool for someone like Nickelback or Nirvana (*crowd gasps), but since there are something like 200 unique songs played live, it'd be cool to get a top 50 view of this same data. First reactions:


Amazing to me that BMWAG was the #4 TDS track for the first ~88 TDS era shows. I wish I got to see one of them.
Funny to watch DII fall off a cliff after TF. Yeet!
Seeing TL and Sin droop hurts my soul. Starting a show with them back to back is the stuff of dreams. Please bring them back!

[FULLMETAL]

Do they cite how they've compiled the data? I presume NINtourHISTORY (http://www.nintourhistory.com/songs.php) is still active & @Cameo's HIH (https://happinessinheresy.com) page has some great research.

[ekrekel]

Do they cite how they've compiled the data? I presume NINtourHISTORY (http://www.nintourhistory.com/songs.php) is still active & @Cameo's HIH (https://happinessinheresy.com) page has some great research.

If they're doing a bunch of other artists I figure they must have built a bot to mine setlist.fm or similar.

[piggy]

Sorry for the triple post, but this just came to my head like 10 seconds ago while I was trying to fall asleep.
piggy - you know how The Frail has the same piano coda/melody whatever as The Fragile? Am I slow or has this been pointed out before? -

The Frail
The Fra(g)il(e)

Intentional?
Are you asking if the spelling/visual similarity of the two words is a factor in why TR chose them for the titles? I kinda doubt it. I think it's just the similar meanings, but you never know.

[Erneuert]

Are you asking if the spelling/visual similarity of the two words is a factor in why TR chose them for the titles? I kinda doubt it. I think it's just the similar meanings, but you never know.

Yeah, like add two letters and then you have The Fragile, kinda neat whether intentional or not. I only just thought of it last night while drifting off to sleep.

[thefragile_jake]

Sorry for the triple post, but this just came to my head like 10 seconds ago while I was trying to fall asleep.
@piggy (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=568) - you know how The Frail has the same piano coda/melody whatever as The Fragile? Am I slow or has this been pointed out before? -

The Frail
The Fra(g)il(e)

Intentional?

I definitely think so. I think repeated musical motifs were a theme for that record too cause look how La Mer and Into the Void share the same bass line.

[Jazzkokehead]

I'm hoping we get a larger tour of North America later this year or next year. I'd like to see NIN live one more time, at least, having missed out since Hesitation Marks.

[allegate]

I was in a basic music introduction class that I was taking for a credit in college and we started discussing leitmotifs and I was like, "so that's what Trent was doing on The Fragile!"

[Erneuert]

I wonder if Aphex Twin got the “bbm-bbm-dsh” idea of At The Heart Of It All from the Closer the video, with the heart making that same “dsh” sound each time it beats?

[BRoswell]

My understanding is that Aphex Twin didn't actually remix the tracks he did on FDTS, but sent original tracks instead since he wasn't a big fan.

[Erneuert]

My understanding is that Aphex Twin didn't actually remix the tracks he did on FDTS, but sent original tracks instead since he wasn't a big fan.

Yeah, I read something along those lines. I’m just wondering since Closer was so big at the time, maybe he saw that image and sound and it lingered somewhere at the back of his mind. They’re both pretty distinctive.

[TheBang]

Hard to believe Sin is in the top 10 most played live songs as of right now. It feels like a rarity when it’s played!
It is quite a rarity when it's played now. It got a big boost on the front end from being played at practically every show through 2000. Happiness in Heresy has some good visualization of the songs being played over the years:

https://happinessinheresy.com/songs-the-most-played-live/

[Erneuert]

^ That’s pretty cool.

Any petty grievances about songs anyone has? For me, no matter how hard I try, I still struggle to hear the word “chipping” in Last.

Also, I like how on the album version of With Teeth (title track) Trent went with the (slightly altered line so it didn’t match the song title) of “the lines begin to blur”. But all live versions I’ve heard have him say “the line begins to blur”.

/rant

[Erneuert]

I’m on a roll…

Has TR ever made it apparent why he tends to favour “Reptile” as a song to do with other artists? Bowie, Numan, Murphy…

[Wulgaren]

no idea, but my guess would be that it shows off vocals really well and its somewhat slow paced which both are quite common in all of those people’s music

[zecho]

For me, no matter how hard I try, I still struggle to hear the word “chipping” in Last.

What do you hear there?

[vincenzomilione]

What do you hear there?

...until i saw this i didn't know he ever said chipping, and i think i assumed he just said "slipping away" twice. now i hear it though, and feel very dumb for that one, but at least i'm not alone here.

[Erneuert]

What do you hear there?

I’m not sure. I think “slipping” but it probably sounds clearer through headphones, which I rarely use. My ears always miss the “ch” sound.

[piggy]

OMG, I think I was hearing "slipping" twice as well. That's crazy!

[Erneuert]

Given the pandemic and how depressed everyone has been by it, TR should totally open the first show of 2022 with Everything into Deep just to fuck with us.

[Disassociative]

I was watching the edited performance of Happiness In Slavery from Woodstock, the one that was dubbed/remixed because I was trying to find a performance to show someone and I get why it was remixed or whatever they did but fuck me the video editing bugs me. The lack of continuity between edits like one shot of Trent suddenly having a guitar then the next cut it’s gone just irk me so much.

[fillow]

I was watching the edited performance of Happiness In Slavery from Woodstock, the one that was dubbed/remixed because I was trying to find a performance to show someone and I get why it was remixed or whatever they did but fuck me the video editing bugs me. The lack of continuity between edits like one shot of Trent suddenly having a guitar then the next cut it’s gone just irk me so much.

Yeah there's pretty terrible edit out there where they very obviously added footage from other songs for no reason.

[Erneuert]

I wonder why TR decided just to call Physical Physical and dropped the (You’re So) from the original track name?

Morrissey did a similar thing with “Some Say (I Got Devil)” and his version is just “Some Say I Got Devil”.

I’ve often wondered why artists do that.

[botley]

I wonder why TR decided just to call Physical Physical and dropped the (You’re So) from the original track name?

Morrissey did a similar thing with “Some Say (I Got Devil)” and his version is just “Some Say I Got Devil”.

I’ve often wondered why artists do that.
Easy answer can be found in the song title from Locusts: "When It Brackets (Don't Use Them)".

[Erneuert]

Easy answer can be found in the song title from Locusts: "When It Brackets (Don't Use Them)".

lol, I just realised how true this actually is: he even dropped the brackets from Ripe (With Decay) with the instrumental release and then Deviations… retroactively.

[TheBang]

I wonder why TR decided just to call Physical Physical and dropped the (You’re So) from the original track name?
Maybe because it fits in better with the many short/one-word track titles on Broken.

[Erneuert]

I still find it so… bizarre that Trent’s original demos for PHM back in 1988 were being used under the monicker Crown Of Thorns before the band name became Nine Inch Nails, then decades later Johnny Cash uses that exact term in his rendition of Hurt. Like, what are the odds of something that coincidental happening?

https://www.thevinyldistrict.com/cleveland/2011/04/right-track-lemco-hall-and-trent-reznor/

[thefragile_jake]

Man, revisiting Bad Witch and his Tobbaco and Danny Elfman collabs the other day reminded me how great the production is on all of those. I really hope we see more visceral, noisy, less "NIN rock" material from Trent on the next album.

More "Ahead of Ourselves" / "God Break Down the Door" ... less "Less Than" / "Shit Mirror" (though I love how the track ends)

I think back to what got me into Nine Inch Nails and it was because their music made you uncomfortable. I feel like ever since With Teeth (an album which I love by the way), a lot of his material never really had that sense of dread to it ... and hey, why should it if Trent doesn't want to do that? NIN is Trent and if Trent's not looking to make weirdo spooky music ... more power to him. If he wants to get pumped on stage and yell "HEY!", "COME ON!", "GO!" before every chorus / in between verses or have the crowd clap along to "MOTP", I'm always down for the ride.

But the more Trent collabs with people on music that pushes his sound, it gets me excited to think of an era of a new album of music that not only gives me goosebumps, but makes my skin crawl from feeling weird.

[allegate]

I still find it so… bizarre that Trent’s original demos for PHM back in 1988 were being used under the monicker Crown Of Thorns before the band name became Nine Inch Nails, then decades later Johnny Cash uses that exact term in his rendition of Hurt. Like, what are the odds of something that coincidental happening?

https://www.thevinyldistrict.com/cleveland/2011/04/right-track-lemco-hall-and-trent-reznor/if Trent covered “Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns” I’d be over the moon.


https://youtu.be/FUtGBItRLTs

[tony.parente]

I wanna know how Maynard has made it to saint louis 5 or 6 times with tool/puscifer/apc since Trent has been here at ALL since 2013.

[sweeterthan]

if Trent covered “Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns” I’d be over the moon.


https://youtu.be/FUtGBItRLTs

i don’t know if i could handle this. truly one of my all time favorite songs.

i want him to do a cover of madman across the water by elton john. i bet it would be so good. there’s so much he could do with the arrangement.

https://youtu.be/aWrzhWnzhAs

[mfte]

NIN song titles that are taken from other artists.

Mr. Self Destruct - Soft Cell
You Know What You Are - Ministry

Honorable kinda sorta mention is The Art of Falling Apart, an album by Soft Cell.

That is all.

[fillow]

There's a partial recording of NIN/Bowie production rehearsal from two days before the first real gig, and interestingly, between Reptile and Hallo Spaceboy there's a tease of I Do Not Want This (27:30). I wonder if this was simply a playback, or Chris having fun, or what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kgXfEVTxww

[botley]

There's a partial recording of NIN/Bowie production rehearsal from two days before the first real gig, and interestingly, between Reptile and Hallo Spaceboy there's a tease of I Do Not Want This (27:30). I wonder if this was simply a playback, or Chris having fun, or what?

Sounds like a playback error/miscue to me; you can faintly hear Trent say "stop, stop!" underneath it — they likely rolled into that point on their backing tape, but really meant to play "Spaceboy" instead. Those aren't live drums, but the loop sampled from the album (which they used earlier that same year, when the song was played as an encore on "Further Down the Spiral" arena shows).

[fillow]

Sounds like a playback error/miscue to me; you can faintly hear Trent say "stop, stop!" underneath it — they likely rolled into that point on their backing tape, but really meant to play "Spaceboy" instead. Those aren't live drums, but the loop sampled from the album (which they used earlier that same year, when the song was played as an encore on "Further Down the Spiral" arena shows).

Does it mean then that the song was a candidate to be performed on that tour? Why would they have the tape on them otherwise?

[botley]

Does it mean then that the song was a candidate to be performed on that tour? Why would they have the tape on them otherwise?
It may have been on a possible list but seems like a weird choice to perform it with Bowie.

[fillow]

It may have been on a possible list but seems like a weird choice to perform it with Bowie.
I don't think it was that weird for 1995 Bowie. Some of his own songs from Outside/Earthling era reach similar levels of anger and abrasiveness.
I'm now imagining IDNWT with Bowie singing verses with his baritone voice and it sounds pretty cool in my head.

[thefragile_jake]

Do you think we'll ever get a Deviations 2? For The Downward Spiral maybe? I've been thinking about that era of NIN a lot lately as far as their synth sound was at the time.

[sweeterthan]

reznor’s birthday is two short months away. i think he’s gonna release music between now and then. he always does stuff around his birthday.

[fillow]

I wonder if total radio silence in the TRAR film scoring world for over a year means they were actually working on new NIN all this time.
Halsey album was also finished almost a year ago. I mean, they can't not work on music for so long, right? And if it was a new score, it would've got announced way in advance in one way or another...

[BRoswell]

I wonder if total radio silence in the TRAR film scoring world for over a year means they were actually working on new NIN all this time.
Halsey album was also finished almost a year ago. I mean, they can't not work on music for so long, right? And if it was a new score, it would've got announced way in advance in one way or another...

Weren't they doing the score for Luca Guadagnino's next film? I don't know if that was ever 100% confirmed, but I remember reading about that.

[Wulgaren]

wouldnt it be cool if trent performed new songs live before releasing them a la with teeth era? or release them first i wouldnt mind :)

[tony.parente]

NIN has played in California 17 times since they last played in Missouri.

[FULLMETAL]

https://i.imgur.com/XNoPhGBl.jpg

[sonic_discord]

NIN has played in California 17 times since they last played in Missouri.

Same goes for Minnesota (last show here was September 28, 2013). They haven't been to Wisconsin since 2006.

[tony.parente]

Same goes for Minnesota (last show here was September 28, 2013). They haven't been to Wisconsin since 2006.
We’ve reached the point in their career where NIN is only playing mega money shows now. I get it, I do I guess. It’s why all the legacy acts pretty much only play LA/Chicago/NY and big festivals exclusively.

Not because population density, (otherwise why did they play the other cities earlier in their careers with such frequency?) but because it’s easier for them.

oh well. it could be worse, I could be a fan in South Africa or Greenland or something lol

[klyrish]

Hopefully Red Rocks stays a regular staple for NIN.

[ekrekel]

NIN has played in California 17 times since they last played in Missouri.

Duh, have you been to Missouri? Ew. (yes I know, sorry I grew up along the MO/IA/IL border).

Another note, anyone else have trouble going to nin.com without saying nincompoop?

[Erneuert]

Duh, have you been to Missouri? Ew. (yes I know, sorry I grew up along the MO/IA/IL border).

Another note, anyone else have trouble going to nin.com without saying nincompoop?

Not this guy. (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/members/6908-NINcompoop)

[ryanmcfly]

Listened to the Linkin Park cover of Wish for the first time in years today. Forgot how much I loved that cover. Wish (pun totally intended) that I got to see them do the cover when I got to see them.

[allegate]

that led me to this rabbit hole (https://www.revolvermag.com/music/6-surprising-covers-nine-inch-nails-wish) of covers.

There's another version of Wish though I can't think of who it was. I know it was a metal band, I think the singer was the guy from Disturbed?

*five minute google search later*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JznZ1O5lkWI

Ah-ha! man that was easy. Good thing he's got such a recognizable voice that I could pull it up from the dregs of my memory.

[gorast]

Listened to the Linkin Park cover of Wish for the first time in years today. Forgot how much I loved that cover. Wish (pun totally intended) that I got to see them do the cover when I got to see them.

It's been a very long time so it's all fuzzy for me now, but I think, maybe, that cover is the reason I got into NIN, so I have a great deal of fondness for it, on top of just liking LP in general.

[ryanmcfly]

Wish is a good song to cover with a band with a decent vocalist. Linkin Park, Device (I enjoyed their cover) and Dillinger Escape Plan all nailed theirs imo. Really bummed Dillinger didn’t play it at their final shows a few years ago.

[sick among the pure]

Hopefully Red Rocks stays a regular staple for NIN.

They're gonna squat in the rocks.

[henryeatscereal]

lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2pEjGTqu0I

[Kyle]

wouldnt it be cool if trent performed new songs live before releasing them a la with teeth era? or release them first i wouldnt mind :)

he did for Hesitation Marks also. I believe the Fuji show was the first we heard any of it but maybe he released CBH before that.

Either way I would be very surprised if we don’t get new music next month. The question is will it be only on stage or will he release anything before the show

Edited to clarify that I’m saying this assuming the shows don’t get canceled.

[Indefinite_Cure]

I didn't know where to write this so...

I felt grateful this morning for having the pleasure to listen to Ghosts V: Together to help me plow through this pandemic. It has been a companion to me on many difficult mornings filled with solitude, introspection and doubt.

Being an (unsuccessful) musician in this day and age, at 32, makes one wonder...

Thank you for shedding some light in these strange, strange times we live in.

[Max]

it’s true that this has been the recent situation but maybe not forever. Have to remember it’s been two straight years of pandemic that’s killed a million Americans. That changes things. Should we see a time where that isn’t the case we might see a more expansive tour announced. And they are also getting older as are their families and it’s understandable to not want to be gone all the time.


We’ve reached the point in their career where NIN is only playing mega money shows now. I get it, I do I guess. It’s why all the legacy acts pretty much only play LA/Chicago/NY and big festivals exclusively.

Not because population density, (otherwise why did they play the other cities earlier in their careers with such frequency?) but because it’s easier for them.

oh well. it could be worse, I could be a fan in South Africa or Greenland or something lol

[cdm]

<wakes up>
<brushes teeth>
<wordle>
<gets a coffee>
<sits down at desk>
<turns volume up>
<logs onto ets>
*fart*fart*faaaaaaaart*
"ah yeah that's the stuff."

[Erneuert]

<wakes up>
<brushes teeth>
<wordle>
<gets a coffee>
<sits down at desk>
<turns volume up>
<logs onto ets>
*fart*fart*faaaaaaaart*
"ah yeah that's the stuff."


https://i.ibb.co/XtkwYSj/9-F49-F7-B6-3-D12-4-A40-883-E-6-BE9-DDE53866.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Erneuert]

he did for Hesitation Marks also. I believe the Fuji show was the first we heard any of it but maybe he released CBH before that.

Either way I would be very surprised if we don’t get new music next month. The question is will it be only on stage or will he release anything before the show

Edited to clarify that I’m saying this assuming the shows don’t get canceled.

Yeah, Fuji debuted Find My Way, Disappointed and Copy Of A, I think (off the top of my head).

[fillow]

It's funny how Trent introduced Home at every show of WT club tour as "this is a new song", "here's something new", as if it was any newer than any of the other 6-7 WT songs they played each night, especially before the release date.

[Wulgaren]

It's funny how Trent introduced Home at every show of WT club tour as "this is a new song", "here's something new", as if it was any newer than any of the other 6-7 WT songs they played each night, especially before the release date.
wasnt this because it was new to people who didnt have with teeth with it included? lol

[botley]

wasnt this because it was new to people who didnt have with teeth with it included? lol

Yeah, though a tiny number of Americans had the 10" picture disc single of "THTF" (https://www.discogs.com/release/470884-Nine-Inch-Nails-The-Hand-That-Feeds-Home), given away at the advance promotional album listening parties, that had it included on the B-side.

And crackly MP3 rips of it that played at the wrong speed...

[jmtd]

We’ve reached the point in their career where NIN is only playing mega money shows now.

Would you characterise the UK academy (club sized) shows like this? 15 years ago he’d be booking two nights runs at the same venues. Although ticket prices were half todays.

[Volk]

I'd like to see a tour show filmed in VR, so I can watch on my Occulus.

[botley]

First show is just over three weeks away. Wonder if a new release is brewing...?

[sweeterthan]

First show is just over three weeks away. Wonder if a new release is brewing...?

fingers crossed

eta: i heard some rumblings last night…

[henryeatscereal]

I hope they tape/stream the new show; can't wait to see how's the band performing in 2022...

[ekrekel]

I hope they tape/stream the new show; can't wait to see how's the band performing in 2022...

*Arrives at show, stage is just one big Jumbotron, Zoom logo comes up.

[scorpiusdiamond]

My Twitter is broken so it’s stuck on the stupid “home” screen where you see people’s liked tweets and bullshit like that.

I spotted TR had liked a tweet about the NIN/Tetsuo collab, which led me to look at his other liked tweets… some interesting things in there…

[sweeterthan]

yeah he liked one tweet that mentioned yoga a few years ago and i’ve wondered since if he’s into that.

[Erneuert]

Concert from 1995: released.

Tension 2013: gone, still.

lol.

[fillow]

Concert from 1995: released leaked


Fixed that for you.

And probably the only reason it was possible is because they outsourced directing/editing. (Same with Dissonance tour footage). Everything post-Fragile was probably done internally with Rob in the driver's seat, and you know he ain't leaking shit.

[Erneuert]

Fixed that for you.

And probably the only reason it was possible is because they outsourced directing/editing. (Same with Dissonance tour footage). Everything post-Fragile was probably done internally with Rob in the driver's seat, and you know he ain't leaking shit.

In this case, though, we’ve already seen 30 minutes or so of it already. That, coupled with the 2013 amateur footage that exists on YouTube creates a 3/4 done product anyway. So the remaining bits we haven’t seen might as well see the light of day by now, no?

[BRoswell]

Tension 2013: gone, still.

I mean, it WAS released. We just never got the shiny Blu-ray package that we were promised.

[Kyle]

Fixed that for you.

And probably the only reason it was possible is because they outsourced directing/editing. (Same with Dissonance tour footage). Everything post-Fragile was probably done internally with Rob in the driver's seat, and you know he ain't leaking shit.

Did I miss something? When did this happen?

[astfgyl]

Whenever I'm going through a thread and I see the "Last" button, the chorus of Last goes through my head. Only happens on this forum though.

[Disassociative]

Whenever I'm going through a thread and I see the "Last" button, the chorus of Last goes through my head. Only happens on this forum though.

this isn't meant to last this is FOR RIGHT NOW

[TheBang]

Did I miss something? When did this happen?
Which one? Further Down the Spiral? Only the biggest NIN news of the year:
2013

Dissonance?
News: https://www.theninhotline.com/news/permalink/1288209177
Download: https://ninlive.com/shows/1995/19951018.html

[Kyle]

Which one? Further Down the Spiral? Only the biggest NIN news of the year:
2013

Dissonance?
News: https://www.theninhotline.com/news/permalink/1288209177
Download: https://ninlive.com/shows/1995/19951018.html

The FDtS link. I remember that thread back when it started but stopped paying attention when it looked like nothing would come of it. Then after posting that, I looked through the forums and found it and holy shit

[firewlker]

I mean, it WAS released.

Only half of it.

[fillow]

Man, what a fucking coincidence.
I was watching a 1995 Chicago NIN show (https://ninlive.com/shows/1995/19950115.html) and on the same DVD, after NIN ends, there's a footage of Alanis Morissette playing All I Really Want at the outdoor gig in Chicago in summer 1995... with Taylor fucking Hawkins on the kit.

[astfgyl]

this isn't meant to last this is FOR RIGHT NOW

Is it the best NIN chorus? It deserves to stake its' claim at least. I can still remember the first time I heard it I nearly leaped out of my skin with excitement and it still does it every time I as much as think of it.

Edit: made bad work of the reply

[bobbie solo]

this isn't meant to last this is FOR RIGHT NOW

Is it the best NIN chorus? It deserves to stake its' claim at least. I can still remember the first time I heard it I nearly leaped out of my skin with excitement and it still does it every time I as much as think of it.

Edit: made bad work of the reply

Finally just made an edit of this track so my former college station can play it. It's a banger that needs to be exposed to more people.

[Jon]

Things that make you go hmmmm....

https://i.imgur.com/y6Sjd8pl.jpg

[paul_guyet]

Do we think we'll get yet another tour with Alessandro panting during "March of the Pigs"?

[sweeterthan]

ya know, the friday before the first show of the year would be a really nice day to release new music. please?


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[tony.parente]

ya know, the friday before the first show of the year would be a really nice day to release new music. please?


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Especially since I'll be taking a 5 hour road trip to Chicago tomorrow and have all the time in the world to listen to it.

[fillow]

I'm ready for a surprise single to drop right about now...

[Indefinite_Cure]

I'm ready for a surprise single to drop right about now...

I expect they have been working on new material but it's not ready yet, as in it's not as finished as they would want it to be. I'm more optimistic about them dropping new stuff around the Fall stretch of their touring.

[Volk]

The new tour is good and all, but I just want a new album. I'd also like some new HTDA please.

[Erneuert]

Things that make you go hmmmm....

https://i.imgur.com/y6Sjd8pl.jpg

The Slip cover flipped? Did I miss something?

[BRoswell]

The Dip: lightly battered Trent dipped in a glitchy, savory sauce!

[Ruined]

I want new NIN as much as the next person, but, as an old-head, I remember the lean years of 5 years between proper albums (PHM/Broken/TDS/TF/WT). Reminds me of that meme of the condemned asking, "First time?"

[henryeatscereal]

Is it me? or Trent is not swearing as much as the other tours?

[Erneuert]

The Dip: lightly battered Trent dipped in a glitchy, savory sauce!

I’ll take 10.

[fillow]

I’ll take 10.

671

[Erneuert]

671

How many you betray
You’ve eaten everything

[Disassociative]

671

Man I woke up in a crappy mood and this is exactly what I needed this morning. Thanks!

[Patrick_Nicholas]

Is it just me, or does TR not like to play much guitar at shows these days? On the With Teeth tour (at least the late 05/early 06 part, shown in BYIT), he played rhythm guitar on about half the songs, if not the slight majority. It was one of the ways that made the 2005-07 live band feel less like Trent's backing band and more like a rock band with Trent in it. On most subsequent tours (especially the most recent ones) he only plays guitar on a handful of songs, choosing instead to just sing about half the time and play some keyboards every now and then. It's noticeable with some songs ("Survivalism" when it was played the first few times on Performance 2007, "Only" with the 05-07 band, "Copy of a" at the 2013 festival shows, etc.) that were initially played with his guitar parts until the guitar parts were dropped later on.

This might cross over into "controversial opinions" a bit, but I prefer when TR uses an instrument (guitar/keyboard/bass/saxophone/etc.) for the majority of songs at a show, so he could blend in with the band a bit more and remind us that, yes, this guy does play the majority of the instruments in the studio.

[fillow]

Is it just me, or does TR not like to play much guitar at shows these days? On the With Teeth tour (at least the late 05/early 06 part, shown in BYIT), he played rhythm guitar on about half the songs, if not the slight majority. It was one of the ways that made the 2005-07 live band feel less like Trent's backing band and more like a rock band with Trent in it. On most subsequent tours (especially the most recent ones) he only plays guitar on a handful of songs, choosing instead to just sing about half the time and play some keyboards every now and then. It's noticeable with some songs ("Survivalism" when it was played the first few times on Performance 2007, "Only" with the 05-07 band, "Copy of a" at the 2013 festival shows, etc.) that were initially played with his guitar parts until the guitar parts were dropped later on.

This might cross over into "controversial opinions" a bit, but I prefer when TR uses an instrument (guitar/keyboard/bass/saxophone/etc.) for the majority of songs at a show, so he could blend in with the band a bit more and remind us that, yes, this guy does play the majority of the instruments in the studio.


I see your point, but I think it has more to do with changed setlists, rather than dropping guitar parts. NIN has eliminated completely, or now simply playing much less often many songs where TR used to play guitar, such as No You Don't, YKWYA?, Love Is Not Enough, The Collector, TLBTB (until yesterday), Echoplex (until yesterday), Heresy (until Atlanta, and I haven't seen yet if TR plays guitar again or not), Starfuckers (until its resurrection on the last tour), etc.

With Survivalism I think TR initially delegated his guitar part to Alessandro, who played it then until LITS tour. It's only since 2009 they dropped second guitar completely.

With Only i think it happened more out of necessity, as Trent needed to be free to play with the screen visual effects.

Copy of A - I think the current version that they play since 2017 is the best one, and blows away all 2013/14 versions (all 4 of them, or 5 if you count Grammys) away.

The list of songs where TR plays guitar as of 2018 tour it still huge. (HLAH, Terrible Lie, Wish, Gave Up, Physical, Suck, Eraser, Reptile, Burn, Dead Souls, TPD, TDTWWA, JLYI, Starfuckers, THTF, TLBTB, Echoplex, Shit Mirror, Find My Way, a few HTDA songs). It's just that they rotate setlist more than ever in their history.


On a related note, Robin switching from guitar to keyboard on 1,000,000 was a fucking crime.

[Shadaloo]

Was informed by my music professor today that back in the heydey of a certain nameless dopey clown, many of the protestors who picketed said performances were, in fact, hired.

I wish I could say that I was remotely fucking surpised that more of that particular legacy was bullshit.

Things that sixteen year old me would have never believed.

And it makes me grateful that, despite all the readily apparent angsty rockstar imagery which was certainly designed to appeal to angsty kids- which we know TR was never fully on board with, mocking himself for looking like The Crow and whatnot - at least I know NIN's music came from, and still does come from, a good and honest place. I have the security of knowing some things aren't bullshit.

It's not to be taken for granted.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Lurking on Trent's Twitter likes again:

https://twitter.com/CORRELLB2/status/1515568143241920514

[BRoswell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFFd2koaA98
We really don't talk about this remix enough. Hard to believe Trent did it in between The Fragile and With Teeth, as it sounds a lot like something he and Atticus would do today.

[piggy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFFd2koaA98
We really don't talk about this remix enough. Hard to believe Trent did it in between The Fragile and With Teeth, as it sounds a lot like something he and Atticus would do today.
I was just yesterday thinking about how cool it would be if Peter made an album with Reznor and Ross as the production team.

[Khrz]

And it makes me grateful that, despite all the readily apparent angsty rockstar imagery which was certainly designed to appeal to angsty kids- which we know TR was never fully on board with, mocking himself for looking like The Crow and whatnot - at least I know NIN's music came from, and still does come from, a good and honest place. I have the security of knowing some things aren't bullshit.

I remember a conversation I had back in high school where I had that exact argument. The other guy was adamant that NIN was all posturing, it was all fake anguish for gloomy bozos like myself, and although I was ready to admit that most bands were playing the doom card for show, I wouldn't budge on Reznor. There was no way to make that kind of music without feeling it in your bones, it was too visceral to be fake.

Now I could have been wrong, my argument was skewed and fundamentally flawed, but I'm actually proud that the guy I always backed up was sincere all along.

[fillow]

Listening to Franklin tape... It was weird hearing some dude in the crowd going "Oh shit! YES!" for The Hand that Feeds of all songs. You fool, don't you know you're not allowed to be excited about this one? Show will be over soon!

[Disassociative]

Listening to Franklin tape... It was weird hearing some dude in the crowd going "Oh shit! YES!" for The Hand that Feeds of all songs. You fool, don't you know you're not allowed to be excited about this one? Show will be over soon!

Funny you should say that lol - when I saw them live in 2014 in Perth they started playing THTF and virtually everyone starting cheering and I’m just like nooooo it’s ending soon

[Erneuert]

Lurking on Trent's Twitter likes again:

https://twitter.com/CORRELLB2/status/1515568143241920514

Can we please have this guy dancing at the side of the stage at the next few shows while Sin is playing and doing backup vocals?

[blassster]

I'm sure its been said, but Atticus sometimes looks like a badass villain. I now want a jacket like that, but I don't think I would look any good in it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CeEawHDJAP_/

[scorpiusdiamond]

NIN-adjacent thoughts. I’m surprised that I’m yet to see a Black Mirror/Ashley O comparison with the new ABBA Voyage show…

[nooneimportant]

Terrible Lie is a great song live but the best version has to be the one from 1994. The synth lines after the verses is amazing and I wish that part came back.

At 2:24:

https://youtu.be/4xWpkqpqy4A?t=145

[butter_hole]

Probably been noted elsewhere but feel like this (1994) Autechre track's drums sound like In This Twilight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLmWk6EYfeg

[GastonKappa]

nine inch nails is a mkultra experiment

[Ruined]

Listening to Depeche Mode's "Construction Time Again," I'm reminded of the themes revisited in NIN's "Year Zero."

[mfte]

I was watching Al Jourgensen on Dave Navarro's podcast from 2018 and they were talking about Al getting into a fight with Henry Rollins at Lollapalooza in 1991 when he went to visit TR. Apparently Henry Rollins and NIN were sharing a tour bus, Al came on looking for TR and Henry yelled something like "AHH NOO, no junkies on the bus!"

Anyhow, I never knew that they shared a bus but now it makes more sense now how TR had that quote about everyone being super cool on that tour, with the exception of Henry Rollins.

[henryeatscereal]

I was watching Al Jourgensen on Dave Navarro's podcast from 2018 and they were talking about Al getting into a fight with Henry Rollins at Lollapalooza in 1991 when he went to visit TR. Apparently Henry Rollins and NIN were sharing a tour bus, Al came on looking for TR and Henry yelled something like "AHH NOO, no junkies on the bus!"

Anyhow, I never knew that they shared a bus but now it makes more sense now how TR had that quote about everyone being super cool on that tour, with the exception of Henry Rollins.
Even if Henry was out of line, i find it hilarious!

[kel]

22 years ago today i saw nin live for the first time.

[piggy]

22 years ago today i saw nin live for the first time.
Same! I was at that show as well.

[xolotl]

Embarrassing confession time: 15 years after it was first released, I seem to finally be able to "hear" the beat properly during the first verse of Survivalism. The very first time I heard that track, my brain latched onto those offbeat drums and heard them as if they were the downbeats instead. For awhile I'd thought that the first chorus intentionally starts by chopping off a bit of the previous bar -- not unheard-of in NIN-land. Not sure when exactly I realized I'd just been hearing it wrong, but it's been an awfully pesky meme to dislodge from my brain. I've had to very consciously ignore the vocals while listening, but I think I'm finally to the point where I've reset my reflexes on that one. Listening through the recordings of these 2022 shows has been the first time where it's felt at all second-nature. I still sort of feel like I've gotta concentrate a bit not to slip back into the old "habit," but it's a bit of a relief.

Now to wait for the Lifetime Movie folks to call...

[cdm]

Embarrassing confession time: 15 years after it was first released, I seem to finally be able to "hear" the beat properly during the first verse of Survivalism.

Don't be embarrassed...as I don't fully understand what's off about it. It doesn't sound weird to me. And not because I get it. I think it's more I just don't understand music theory beyond I like what I like.

[xolotl]

It doesn't sound weird to me.

Oh for sure! That's because there's nothing weird about it at all -- the weirdness was entirely concentrated in my collection of neurons devoted to the song. Had to get those bastards in line is all. :D

[GastonKappa]

TIL Justin Meldal-Johnsen produced Midnight City by M83.

[tony.parente]

The year zero repress prob aint happening in 2022 is it lol

[Erneuert]

The year zero repress prob aint happening in 2022 is it lol

December 31.

[Erneuert]

In case you missed it, meathead is alive. Go and cuddle him.

https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/100-The-New-Introduction-Thread?p=564000#post564000

[Disassociative]

La Mer is hypnotic

[Indefinite_Cure]

I've just watched a few live videos of the recent shows (London, EDEN, etc...) OMG! They. Are. So. Fucking. Tight! They sound really awesome! They still got their edge. I love that Alessandro, Ilan and Robin seem to have their voice featured a little more prominently than in past tours. I really hope they come back to Montreal in the next year or so. A new album would be very welcome also! =D

[Disassociative]

I wonder if Trent (of any of the other guys) ever got hiccups on stage.
In fact it just made me wonder what any singer or performer does when they get hiccups on stage. Popped into my head cos I always get them real bad and just had them right now and fuck me they just would not stop.

[Erneuert]

I wonder if Trent (of any of the other guys) ever got hiccups on stage.
In fact it just made me wonder what any singer or performer does when they get hiccups on stage. Popped into my head cos I always get them real bad and just had them right now and fuck me they just would not stop.

That’s why Trent started singing “hey!” and such between songs. Each time he’s covering up a hiccup.

[ryanmcfly]

I wish nin would do a studio version of now I’m nothing with a studio interpretation of the live version of terrible lie with all the guitars and whatnot.

[mauro995]

I'be veen a little bit obsessed with the Fragile era (again) watching old interviews and vídeos, so this past week I started compiling some of it into this video


https://youtu.be/vdNyZpXOl-o

[Detunez]

Random thought while listening to NIN on spotify:
Trent Reznor's voice seems to be such an integral part of the Nine Inch Nails sound. The tracks without his voice are also really good, but at the same time they seem to feel empty because he's not audible.

[BRoswell]

Trent Reznor's voice seems to be such an integral part of the Nine Inch Nails sound. The tracks without his voice are also really good, but at the same time they seem to feel empty because he's not audible.

I've never really understood the mindset that something is missing in the instrumental tracks because Trent isn't singing on them. The implication always seems to be that they're flawed or Trent & Atticus didn't work as hard on them or that they're just filler material. I've always enjoyed instrumentals, but what I like about them on NIN albums is that they serve as contemplative moments on whatever journey Trent & Atticus are taking you on. They prepare you for what's ahead, or they give you a moment to say "What do YOU think about this? What's in YOUR head right now? How does THIS make you feel?". Lyrics are great, but sometimes it's better to leave things unsaid and let the listener decide how to feel and what something is about.

[Indefinite_Cure]

Will the Year Zero vinyl repress definitive edition ever happen?? Like, I want to buy that shit so much!

[botley]

Will the Year Zero vinyl repress definitive edition ever happen?? Like, I want to buy that shit so much!

Soon

[Indefinite_Cure]

Soon

Damn! Now you've gone and jinxed it!!

[Disassociative]

I never noticed Trent was playing the “solo” of I Do Not Want This back in 1994/1995. It’s also just wonderfully controlled chaos.

The way he screams the last few lines still gives me chills when I listen to it too, more so than the album version.

[tony.parente]

Will the Year Zero vinyl repress definitive edition ever happen?? Like, I want to buy that shit so much!
It seems like every 5 years people think it's gonna happen on it's X anniversary. First there was the 5 year, that didn't happen. Then the 10 year, that didn't happen. Then now we're on the 15 year, that's not gonna happen.

It took the fragile 18 years to get repressed so looks like we've got another 3 years or so.

[spahn]

best thing to do is not care, go about your day and lo and behold, you will wake up one morning to the nin community going in a frantic panic trying to purchase the darn thing.

[sonic_discord]

Or just assume it will never happen. Then if it does get announced/released, you can be pleasantly surprised instead of impatiently yearning and continuously disappointed.

[Erneuert]

Listening to Depeche Mode's "Construction Time Again," I'm reminded of the themes revisited in NIN's "Year Zero."

“And Then…” and “Everything Counts” especially.

Random thought: please open the next show with “Deep”!

[Detunez]

I can only give the meaningless reply that I as a random stranger agree with your post. They (the instrumentals) aren't bad, they aren't broken and they aren't inherently or truly missing something. It's just a kind of personal sense of wanting to hear Trent Reznor sing over them.

Edit:
I think my add blocker somehow blocked a referrer header or some extras to make a reply work as intended. But i think it's clear i was responding to this post: https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/139-Random-NIN-Thoughts?p=565126#post565126

[Volk]

If I don't get some new shit from NIN soon, I'm going to kill some puppies.

[botley]

If I don't get some new shit from NIN soon, I'm going to kill some puppies.

Seems drastic. What did you do between The Fragile and With Teeth??

[Indefinite_Cure]

Seems drastic. What did you do between The Fragile and With Teeth??

He started a puppy mill. None of them ever got adopted...

[scorpiusdiamond]

https://twitter.com/GumbysBand/status/1553010731997708288

https://twitter.com/GumbysBand/status/1553010731997708288

[Anglachel81]

I don't know where else to post this but The Fragile is my favorite album. It's so fucking hard and intense. That's all.

[cdm]

I don't know where else to post this but The Fragile is my favorite album. It's so fucking hard and intense. That's all.

FYI: I believe this is generally accepted as The Fragile Appreciation thread: https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/3478-Happy-Birthday-to-The-Fragile

But you can certainly share that thought here, too! I'm ready for it to come out of it's vinyl hiatus.

[snaapz]

My random NIN thought.

I want some NIN teasers, I want a drop of a short synth loop, I want a sign of life, I want to watch a new album grow like I did before.

[BRoswell]

After re-watching the Gift performance of Head Down, I feel like it needs to make a return to the setlists. Swap out 1,000,000 or Discipline since they've been played enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGmc0ksJxc

[sweeterthan]

are we really going to hit the 1 year anniversary of the halsey collab with no new nin music?

[BRoswell]

are we really going to hit the 1 year anniversary of the halsey collab with no new nin music?

Not really surprised. Trent mentioned the other day that they're finishing up a film score, and I'm sure earlier in the year they were finishing up work on Bones & All. I don't know if they've had time to work on NIN stuff around all that plus touring. I'm sure we'll have new Trent & Atticus music by the end of the year, but new NIN might have to wait a bit longer.

[botley]

I bet they have been doing both simultaneously. Whether we will get to hear it...

[Disassociative]

I bet they have been doing both simultaneously. Whether we will get to hear it...

I wonder how much unreleased or scrapped NIN music there is. Outtakes or stuff he deemed not good enough. There’s the little bits and pieces we may know about like “Just Do It”, the original follow up to Add Violence and possibly those With Teeth songs we have lyrics for but there’s probably so much we don’t even know about. Deviations 1 was a huge pleasant surprise.

[Khrz]

I don't think the vault of unreleased, unseen and unheard stuff is that big actually... The guy is notoriously eco-friendly when it comes to ideas and stems and chances are we already heard most of it, recycled in the form of collaborations or soundtracks. Deviations 1 actually showed us that.

[trollmanen]

I wonder how much unreleased or scrapped NIN music there is. Outtakes or stuff he deemed not good enough. There’s the little bits and pieces we may know about like “Just Do It”, the original follow up to Add Violence and possibly those With Teeth songs we have lyrics for but there’s probably so much we don’t even know about. Deviations 1 was a huge pleasant surprise.

I'd guess that the amount of stuff worth pursuing to completion but not released isn't as much as you'd think. Yes, we ended up getting Not So Pretty Now and Non-Entity a few years later, but they also played those live during those tours, so they weren't completely unreleased. As for the other With Teeth songs mentioned on the lyrics poster, who knows if they were completed or not. There's probably lots of demos and things, like what was released in that iTunes Interview with Hesitation Marks which was clearly demo quality and not anywhere near final.

Deviations 1 was probably the exception to that since we have known for years there was a ton of extra material from The Fragile sessions. Most of that unreleased stuff they put on there is basically demos that they cleaned up and mastered, only one or two songs on there stated "Instrumental" meaning there were ever lyrics accompanying it.

I haven't heard of any follow up to Add Violence that was scrapped. I think they just did Bad Witch next and abandoned the EP trilogy idea, but I don't think there's an unreleased album from between those sessions.

[Disassociative]

I'd guess that the amount of stuff worth pursuing to completion but not released isn't as much as you'd think. Yes, we ended up getting Not So Pretty Now and Non-Entity a few years later, but they also played those live during those tours, so they weren't completely unreleased. As for the other With Teeth songs mentioned on the lyrics poster, who knows if they were completed or not. There's probably lots of demos and things, like what was released in that iTunes Interview with Hesitation Marks which was clearly demo quality and not anywhere near final.

Deviations 1 was probably the exception to that since we have known for years there was a ton of extra material from The Fragile sessions. Most of that unreleased stuff they put on there is basically demos that they cleaned up and mastered, only one or two songs on there stated "Instrumental" meaning there were ever lyrics accompanying it.

I haven't heard of any follow up to Add Violence that was scrapped. I think they just did Bad Witch next and abandoned the EP trilogy idea, but I don't think there's an unreleased album from between those sessions.

I can’t remember where but I’m sure there was an interview where Trent or Atticus were talking about how the original last EP of the trilogy was too “predictable” or “forced” or something so they went back to the drawing board. I don’t imagine there were many if any songs that survived maybe just ideas or fragments but I’m just curious.

I can’t see any possible unreleased material released without a good reason, we know how Trent is a bit of a perfectionist so I don’t ever expect him too. I’m just curious how much there is.

I get the feeling there is much more unreleased video footage than audio floating around in the vaults. Self Destruct pro shot (officially), multiple Tension shows and I think there were a few With Teeth club shows recorded. Brixton Academy? And god knows what else!

[trollmanen]

I get the feeling there is much more unreleased video footage than audio floating around in the vaults. Self Destruct pro shot (officially), multiple Tension shows and I think there were a few With Teeth club shows recorded. Brixton Academy? And god knows what else!

Video recordings is one thing we know is in their vaults. All the Wave Goodbye club shows were filmed, only a few videos made it out. Tension was filmed, but I think only what was posted to YouTube was finished. I doubt they went through the trouble of editing the whole concert only to use half of it for streaming. I'm sure there many more shows that were filmed with video.

I think it's safe to say that pretty much every NIN show has a soundboard recording, likely starting with 1994 shows, but especially since 2005 with digital consoles, it's just too easy to record the main outs.

[ghostaustin]

I wish I was spotting some new NIN. But alas, all I've got are hope and dreams that they'll throw something our way this month before the tour starts

[BRoswell]

All the Wave Goodbye club shows were filmed.

Except for the Webster Hall show.

[trollmanen]

Except for the Webster Hall show.

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't at least a camera setup at FOH to capture the show, knowing that they were playing TDS in full for the first time. I was there, but I have no recollection of seeing cameras or not.

[BRoswell]

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't at least a camera setup at FOH to capture the show, knowing that they were playing TDS in full for the first time. I was there, but I have no recollection of seeing cameras or not.

It wasn't recorded because they couldn't come to an agreement with the venue about it. I can't remember the exact details, but I think it had something to do with the venue wanting to charge them a bunch of money to do it. Someone who remembers better than I do can chime in on that.