Random NIN Thoughts

[astfgyl]

NTAE tends to really overwhelm my car's speakers - I have to adjust my EQ settings a bit to get it reasonable, but for the most part I just wait until I can get some headphones on to listen to it.

I burned a cd of it to listen to in the car and tracks 1, 3 and 5 are crackling like fuck. 2 and 4 no problem though. I wonder if it's my burning software?

[blassster]

I burned a cd of it to listen to in the car and tracks 1, 3 and 5 are crackling like fuck. 2 and 4 no problem though. I wonder if it's my burning software?
Something easy to check - do you have a thing where it automatically adjusts the volume based on driving speed? It could be interfering. When I first put The Slip in the car, things were fucked (distorting or just wrong) because someone turned that dumb option back on that time without me realizing.

[astfgyl]

Something easy to check - do you have a thing where it automatically adjusts the volume based on driving speed? It could be interfering. When I first put The Slip in the car, things were fucked (distorting or just wrong) because someone turned that dumb option back on that time without me realizing.

Cheers for the idea. Unfortunately that isn't it though. I burned another copy at -1db and it's still crackling it must be something software related. either that, or the album is too heavy to burn to CD. Which would also be very cool in an annoying sort of way..

[arsenic]

for the redditors on ETS: we're trying to make a NIN logo slightly above the radiohead logo on /r/place (https://www.reddit.com/r/place/). More info here (https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/62pdhe/off_topic_idea_make_a_giant_nin_logo_in_rplace/dfp6en5/), let's make it happen!


update: we're making some progress (http://i.imgur.com/YJr7zFO.png)

update 2: we did it reddit!
http://i.imgur.com/n0mHOuQ.png

[Detunez]

I dont know where else to post this, but now its stuck in my mind:

Trent reznor:
The way Atticus and i work is a result of years of figuring each other out. And its to the point now where we have a vocabulary where we can... euh... realy communicate without words. I think the part of our brains that dont work are complimented by the other guy who has that function that does work. He is more organised in a lot of ways than i am. I have things he doesnt have. I am realy talented, he is not.

atticus ross:
Silently laughs.

[thevoid99]

I wonder if there's a deluxe version of Strobe Light that features that rumored duet between Trent and Britney Spears?

[kel]

I wonder if there's a deluxe version of Strobe Light that features that rumored duet between Trent and Britney Spears?

*sigh*

be still my heart.

[GibbonBlack]

You know what? Britney has decent and unique voice. I bet Trent could get something pretty wild out of her. I wouldn't mind if they did something

[BRoswell]

You know what? Britney has decent and unique voice.

If her voice is decent, then it's not particularly unique. There's plenty of singers out there who can carry a tune.

[GibbonBlack]

If her voice is decent, then it's not particularly unique.

Only if you think unique means amazing

[kel]

i would LIVE for a britney-reznor collab. or madonna. or gaga. or janet. all of whom (sans britney) have expressed admiration for nin in some form.

some of brit's beats would lend themselves well to trent's vocals, too.

[blassster]

If anyone else wants it, I made a ringtone from the near-end instrumental part of Even Deeper using the WT tour rehearsal version. I love Aaron's guitar here and it was stuck in my head https://app.box.com/s/3oswzctlpxk57vbe0qj6lng420wnh1im

[BRoswell]

Only if you think unique means amazing

Unique, to me, means something that's not being done by a bunch of other people. I don't think that describes her music at all.

[GibbonBlack]

I don't think that describes her music at all.

Cool. But I said her voice. Which has a unique twang to it. In my scenario Trent would be doing the music side of things.

[Ryan]

for the redditors on ETS: we're trying to make a NIN logo slightly above the radiohead logo on /r/place (https://www.reddit.com/r/place/). More info here (https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/62pdhe/off_topic_idea_make_a_giant_nin_logo_in_rplace/dfp6en5/), let's make it happen!


update: we're making some progress (http://i.imgur.com/YJr7zFO.png)

update 2: we did it reddit!
http://i.imgur.com/n0mHOuQ.png


I don't know what any of this means. What's that pixel logo representing at large?

[arsenic]

I don't know what any of this means. What's that pixel logo representing at large?

on April 1st reddit often does some kind of social experiment. Last year was The Button (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Button_(Reddit)), this year is a huge pixel grid where every 10 minutes each user can draw a single pixel with a different colour. Therefore it takes time and coordination to draw a complex shape and other users can interfere and ruin your drawing as well. Collaborations are also possible, and that's exactly what happened with NIN and Radiohead fans.

You can see the a timelapse of the last 24h here (http://spacescience.tech/place/). Our NIN logo starts to appear only toward the end.

[thevoid99]

Wait, didn't Trent and Britney shared a rehearsal studio for their respective tours and Trent offered to remix one of her songs?

[BRoswell]

Cool. But I said her voice. Which has a unique twang to it. In my scenario Trent would be doing the music side of things.

Her voice is part of her music, no? It's at least one half of it anyway. My point, though, is that I don't think her voice is at all noteworthy or unique. It just is. She can carry a tune, but so can a lot of people. She's got a twang (I guess), but so do a lot of pop singers out there. What exactly makes her voice so special?

[seasonsinthesky]

Cheers for the idea. Unfortunately that isn't it though. I burned another copy at -1db and it's still crackling it must be something software related. either that, or the album is too heavy to burn to CD. Which would also be very cool in an annoying sort of way..

Are you trying to burn the 24/48 FLAC/WAVs? The software might be terrible at sample rate conversion down to 16/44.1.

[butter_hole]

Breaking my head about fist fucking being mentioned in a song.
if you havent figured it out yet -- you're thinking of "Wish"

[Disassociative]

Are you trying to burn the 24/48 FLAC/WAVs? The software might be terrible at sample rate conversion down to 16/44.1.He's right, when I converted all my Deviations and remaster files into 16/44.1 for my iPhone unless I reduced the volume of the tracks first they would always clip after conversion. Typically -0.5dB was enough to prevent any clipping but you might wan't to go -1dB to be safe if you want. You might want to leave -1dB if you want headroom for converting to lossy formats if the need arises in the future.

[kel]

Unique, to me, means something that's not being done by a bunch of other people. I don't think that describes her music at all.

pshht. her voice is unique as hell.

[BRoswell]

pshht. her voice is unique as hell.

Yes, I've heard that already. WHAT makes her voice unique?

[Ryan]

If the 2005 Rehearsal track list is to be believed, they planned to use ATLITW as a set opener.

Please tell me more.

[Disassociative]

Please tell me more.The tracklisting I have seems completely thrown together, Gave Up is at the start and ATLITW is like 30th. I'm curious now

[GibbonBlack]

Her voice is part of her music, no? It's at least one half of it anyway. My point, though, is that I don't think her voice is at all noteworthy or unique. It just is. She can carry a tune, but so can a lot of people. She's got a twang (I guess), but so do a lot of pop singers out there. What exactly makes her voice so special?

I don't know, man. If you're saying that I can't specify her unique twang, which is different than others to me, to specify why I think her voice is decent and unique then I can't really carry on discussing this with you.

It's like saying "explain to me why you think that ice cream tastes like no other, but you can't tell me it's the taste because that's not it to me".

We just have different taste buds

[astfgyl]

Are you trying to burn the 24/48 FLAC/WAVs? The software might be terrible at sample rate conversion down to 16/44.1.

I think I did it a dumb way I converted down first and then reduced by 1db, where I should have reduced the volume and then converted down to 16/44. Third time lucky I hope

[Jon]

I think I did it a dumb way I converted down first and then reduced by 1db, where I should have reduced the volume and then converted down to 16/44. Third time lucky I hope

Sounds like quantization noise/harmonic distortion from not using dither​.

As far as headroom, people usually shoot for -3 db or -6 db.

[Detunez]

if you havent figured it out yet -- you're thinking of "Wish"

Indeed. But it felt so out of place at the moment i was listening to Wish. :p

[Detunez]

I dont know where else to post this, but now its stuck in my mind:

Trent reznor:
The way Atticus and i work is a result of years of figuring each other out. And its to the point now where we have a vocabulary where we can... euh... realy communicate without words. I think the part of our brains that dont work are complimented by the other guy who has that function that does work. He is more organised in a lot of ways than i am. I have things he doesnt have. I am realy talented, he is not.

atticus ross:
Silently laughs.

Quikly posting the link to where i got that from, for those who might not know:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv1XZRAgg0I

[BRoswell]

I don't know, man. If you're saying that I can't specify her unique twang, which is different than others to me, to specify why I think her voice is decent and unique then I can't really carry on discussing this with you.

It's like saying "explain to me why you think that ice cream tastes like no other, but you can't tell me it's the taste because that's not it to me".

We just have different taste buds

I disagree with your example, because I don't think that's an accurate analogy. For instance, I could tell you why Trent's voice resonates in the way that it does, and go into more detail than "his voice is unique because it sounds unique to me". If you think her voice sounds unique, go into more detail about why you feel that way. Give some examples, because saying she has a "twang" and that it sounds unique to you isn't very convincing.

[WorzelG]

Wait, didn't Trent and Britney shared a rehearsal studio for their respective tours and Trent offered to remix one of her songs?
I remember that!
http://www.celebitchy.com/36356/britney_spears_reznor_might_cover_britney_song/
Anyway, wasn't he going to collaborate with Aaliyah at one point but then she died. It's not so far fetched

[GibbonBlack]

I disagree with your example, because I don't think that's an accurate analogy. For instance, I could tell you why Trent's voice resonates in the way that it does, and go into more detail than "his voice is unique because it sounds unique to me". If you think her voice sounds unique, go into more detail about why you feel that way. Give some examples, because saying she has a "twang" and that it sounds unique to you isn't very convincing.

I guess you'll just have to remain unconvinced then :confused:

[eversonpoe]

i would LIVE for a britney-reznor collab. or madonna. or gaga. or janet. all of whom (sans britney) have expressed admiration for nin in some form.

some of brit's beats would lend themselves well to trent's vocals, too.

i want desperately to hear trent cover "work bitch" and i am giggling about it now


Yes, I've heard that already. WHAT makes her voice unique?

she has a unique energy and delivery. she's sultry and seductive while still making you want to dance (and not just bone). she can be fun and serious at the same time. these are all juxtapositions that most pop singers can not pull off with nearly as much success.

[bobbie solo]

Can we please stop polluting this thread with garbage about talent-less waste of space Britney Spears please?

[WorzelG]

This is a board that practically jizzes over Marilyn Manson, he can't play an instrument or write his own music. Why does he get a free pass?

[BRoswell]

This is a board that practically jizzes over Marilyn Manson, he can't play an instrument or write his own music. Why does he get a free pass?

Because he worked with Trent. Next question.

[Ryan]

I dont know where else to post this, but now its stuck in my mind:

Trent reznor:
The way Atticus and i work is a result of years of figuring each other out. And its to the point now where we have a vocabulary where we can... euh... realy communicate without words. I think the part of our brains that dont work are complimented by the other guy who has that function that does work. He is more organised in a lot of ways than i am. I have things he doesnt have. I am realy talented, he is not.

atticus ross:
Silently laughs.

https://s11.postimg.org/3mcplv5cj/IMG_2678.jpg

[sweeterthan]

Can we please stop polluting this thread with garbage about talent-less waste of space Britney Spears please?

"Everything I like is awesome and everything you like sucks"
While Britney drift is way off topic and annoying, saying she has no talent and calling her a waste of space proves you don't anything about her and have no idea why she still has millions of fans.

I too have hoped for a Trent/Britney collab. It will probably never happen. He could rock her shit in ways that her team has never thought of.

[ultimatebdp]

Trent, if you're lurking...for the love of GOD give us something ELSE to talk about!!!

[Bachy]

Okay, which one of you sick bastards wrote this. Confess.

https://i.imgur.com/uYsuNNT.jpg

[Ryan]

Okay, which one of you sick bastards wrote this. Confess.

https://i.imgur.com/uYsuNNT.jpg

That's the most beautiful thing I've read all year.

[sheepdean]

Trent, if you're lurking...for the love of GOD give us something ELSE to talk about!!!
I'm waiting on a whole album of Falco covers, it's been like 30 years since the last one

[kel]

I remember that!
http://www.celebitchy.com/36356/britney_spears_reznor_might_cover_britney_song/
Anyway, wasn't he going to collaborate with Aaliyah at one point but then she died. It's not so far fetched

i remember this well. she was a huge fan and trent had teased info about the possibility (sade was also mentioned).

her last album aaliyah had sophisticated industrial nods ("you got nerve", "messed up") and was just fucking good. he talked a lot about having a female voice to accompany his work, which i guess eventually came with htda and the fantastic backup singers during tension.

sad stuff. could've been groundbreaking.

[Art Vandelay]

Okay, which one of you sick bastards wrote this. Confess.

https://i.imgur.com/uYsuNNT.jpg
Obviously it's somebody that works for Hallmark.

[implanted_microchip]

I've been giving all of the new Fragile-era material time to digest before picking favorites or saying anything too hyperbolic just yet, but Can I Stay Here? has definitely become a firm member of my favorite instrumentals from the band. It's remarkable and feels like a failing distress signal getting picked up on a broadcast long after whoever created it needed help -- which is such a good example of how the entire record feels. Instead of going huge and bold and explosive it becomes meek and helpless and folds back in on itself and I love it. It's perfect.

[Bachy]

I had a surprise on Instagram earlier today

http://i.imgur.com/14dnODI.jpg

[piggy]

Okay, which one of you sick bastards wrote this. Confess.

https://i.imgur.com/uYsuNNT.jpg
Awesome. I like how it has 69 likes, too.

[Ryan]

I had a surprise on Instagram earlier today

http://i.imgur.com/14dnODI.jpg


I'm happy knowing Trent has seen that.

[Lerxto]

I sorted the lyrics of Dear World, in a chronological sequence because some lyrics makes sense only if you put it that way:

Dear world, I can hardly recognize you anymore
I am leaving because I can't recognize who I have been
And yet I remain certain there is an answer in you
I feel like I have lived so long
It's happening
Without me you didn't even notice
Sometimes run out of things to try to do
Of course it's been happening all along
I can't concentrate
Permanent intervals
What about…
As you become obsolete
I begin to go through another that we have been
Who are you?
Oh, this place...
I have been entirely patient
I can't concentrate
But I know I can't trust myself
No, no, not this time

But I can't hear Trent singing the 'You go on spoiling' line, while ninwiki & my physical component says otherwise.
Am I missing something or is this another lyric that is written in the booklet but it's actually not sung?

[nooneimportant]

The tracklisting I have seems completely thrown together, Gave Up is at the start and ATLITW is like 30th. I'm curious now

The one I downloaded directly from NIN Live has a similar tracklisting to most of the With Teeth setlists from the time. It has segues at the beginning and end of some tracks such as Eraser into Right Where It Belongs. I'm pretty sure the order of these dictated where it would go on the set. It's possible that the guy who runs NIN Live altered the tracklisting to flow better but who knows?

http://i.imgur.com/MJLUva3.png

[bobbie solo]

This is a board that practically jizzes over Marilyn Manson

completely incorrrect. try reading the MM thread. It's basically just an entire group of people shitting on everything MM-related and longing for the olden days when didnt suck. That moron that got banned doesnt speak for everyone else.

[seasonsinthesky]

The one I downloaded directly from NIN Live has a similar tracklisting to most of the With Teeth setlists from the time. It has segues at the beginning and end of some tracks such as Eraser into Right Where It Belongs. I'm pretty sure the order of these dictated where it would go on the set. It's possible that the guy who runs NIN Live altered the tracklisting to flow better but who knows?

http://i.imgur.com/MJLUva3.png

Yeah, someone retroactively arranged those into a setlist-ish order. The original Mofoboy MP3s mostly had track numbers (presumably from the CDs he ripped, cuz they have disc numbers). The orders are:

Gave Up
TDTWWA
Suck
ED
Wish
THTF
Starfuckers
HLAH
LINE
Collector
NYD
WT
GS
Home
Sin
----
Eraser
RWIB
BYIT
Frail
Wretched
YKWYA
MOTP
Piggy
TL
Burn
Closer
Reptile
TBCD
-----
Only
Sunspots
ATLITW
NSPN
Deep
Hurt
----
SICNH
EDIETS
DS

[Disassociative]

Yeah, someone retroactively arranged those into a setlist-ish order. The original Mofoboy MP3s mostly had track numbers (presumably from the CDs he ripped, cuz they have disc numbers). The orders are:

Gave Up
TDTWWA
Suck
ED
Wish
THTF
Starfuckers
HLAH
LINE
Collector
NYD
WT
GS
Home
Sin
----
Eraser
RWIB
BYIT
Frail
Wretched
YKWYA
MOTP
Piggy
TL
Burn
Closer
Reptile
TBCD
-----
Only
Sunspots
ATLITW
NSPN
Deep
Hurt
----
SICNH
EDIETS
DS

Ah that looks like what I had. Personally I like that more set list formatted one more now.

[WorzelG]

completely incorrrect. try reading the MM thread. It's basically just an entire group of people shitting on everything MM-related and longing for the olden days when didnt suck. That moron that got banned doesnt speak for everyone else.

Still doesnt explain the double standards of applauding someone as a genius when he doesnt write his own music or play an instrument while Britney is just a talentless bitch

[bobbie solo]

Go make that argument in that douchechill filled Britney thread, or the Manson one. Not diverting this thread anymore with Britney friggin' Spears.

[implanted_microchip]

I keep forgetting that one day sometime this year (an optimist, I know) I'm going to get a giant box of all the DE records in the mail and then I remember and get more hyped than I ever did for Christmas as a kid growing up all over again.

[fillow]

Before I've heard vinyl edit of Ripe for the first time, I thought it would end around 4:30-4:40 mark of full (with Decay) version, when the fly buzzing comes in, assuming the Decay part starts at 4:45 with bass guitar. To this day I'm puzzled why wasn't it so. It makes so much more sense IMO than the actual ending of Ripe on vinyl.

[implanted_microchip]

The way that Ripe gets cut is probably the only thing about the vinyl version that I consider inferior about it.

[_T_B_W_]

I wonder when the next batch of Vinyl Remasters/Deviations 2 will finally be up for presale...

[ninlive]

The one I downloaded directly from NIN Live has a similar tracklisting to most of the With Teeth setlists from the time. It has segues at the beginning and end of some tracks such as Eraser into Right Where It Belongs. I'm pretty sure the order of these dictated where it would go on the set. It's possible that the guy who runs NIN Live altered the tracklisting to flow better but who knows?

*image*


Correct, I did alter them to what the 'standard' setlist from that tour would have been. Then threw the tracks that were not played live on the tour would have been placed. I don't think these rehearsal tracks were released in the order they were on whatever media mofoboy had them on. I think it was totally random.

[Rubeninphoenix]

April 21st is supposedly the release date for The Fragile, Broken, etc reissues but I haven't found anything online to verify this. Any truth (and evidence, please) to this?

[Ribbitman]

All these years and I thought the opening line in TDTWWA was "I listened to the world today"


jesus

[Papagolash]

April 21st is supposedly the release date for The Fragile, Broken, etc reissues but I haven't found anything online to verify this. Any truth (and evidence, please) to this?


Someone posted in a Facebook NIN group photos from I guess a magazine that lists all of the NIN stuff for April 21st. I can't link the photos and I don't think I have ability to upload photos....... I'll work on this.

edit: I don't know what I'm doing! I posted the photos here http://imgur.com/a/ANhYd MODS if the photos are too big feel free to edit and do whatever is needed to clean up my post.

http://i.imgur.com/2ryXC5J.jpg http://i.imgur.com/peI4RQa.jpg

[REPLICA]

I wish Trent would provide us a NIN cover of Look Sharp (Joe Jackson).

[Deepvoid]

Terrible Lie (live): Trent on guitar duties or not?

I got used to seeing Trent play guitar on Terrible Lie but I think I liked it better when he wasn't playing.

[Rubeninphoenix]

Someone posted in a Facebook NIN group photos from I guess a magazine that lists all of the NIN stuff for April 21st. I can't link the photos and I don't think I have ability to upload photos....... I'll work on this.

edit: I don't know what I'm doing! I posted the photos here http://imgur.com/a/ANhYd MODS if the photos are too big feel free to edit and do whatever is needed to clean up my post.

http://i.imgur.com/2ryXC5J.jpg http://i.imgur.com/peI4RQa.jpgI did see that in said group actually but I still don't believe. I need 100% solid, without a doubt, verifiable evidence lol. Basically, the only thing that would satisfy this would be a press release from TR or a post on the band's official social media.

[Kyle]

I did see that in said group actually but I still don't believe. I need 100% solid, without a doubt, verifiable evidence lol. Basically, the only thing that would satisfy this would be a press release from TR or a post on the band's official social media.

Trent told me personally that the actual events will be announced next week. Seriously.

[Ryan]

Trent told me personally that the actual events will be announced next week. Seriously.

He told me the same thing, goshdarnit!

[somewhat_]

I get the sense that next week will be a big week in the world of nin.

- With vinyl releases and more festival announcements coming, plus for whatever reason, I'm hopeful for proper tour dates. Who knows, maybe we will even get new album info with the 10th anniversary of year zero being Monday (I'm thinking there is a year zero tie in with the next album) - probably a stretch, but a random thought.

[sonic_discord]

It says "do not share the promotional video" so here it is :

http://youtu.be/yFGvtDyYjlA

Can't say I'm the biggest fan of this. Doesn't seem to gel together, almost sounds like I have another tab open somewhere that's playing a different song and there's two beats that are close to being in sync, but are a just a little off.

Edit: After listening to this a third time, it does seem a little better. I had the same initial reaction to Eminem's song "Berzerk," in which the sample of Billy Squier's "The Stroke" did not seem to fit at all (at least to me). That song has since grown on me and it no longer bothers me, so perhaps this will as well...

[fillow]

I dunno, it looks like TR gave Todd a CD of Hesitation Marks outtakes, akin to the three untitled demos. The sound palette of this track is unmistakably HM.

[astfgyl]

Personally, I can't find any merit in it. I tried twice. If it didn't say TR and AR on it, I wouldn't have touched it with yours after the first try..

[MAD]

Ugh. No. I tried, I really tried but when I heard that piano a second time I felt like needing a break, go for a smoke, stretch.

Also, the video is really bad.

To quote fillow, yeah, sounds like HM. I'd much rather have the samples or some random HM outtakes.

[Microwave Jellyfish]

An instrumental version would have been a wonderful addition to my HM Demo folder. Too bad.

[Halo Infinity]

It sometimes still seems very hard for me to "unhear" the words "Don't argue." in Starfuckers, Inc. when it is actually "Now I belong.".

It's sort of like a bit of a "misheard lyric earworm".

[sick among the pure]

Love the choice of photo, too.

[Bachy]

Hey, @Bachy (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=3010) , you're famous!

Must have been a slow news day.

Also, that's hardly a reaction from Trent. Lol

[nooneimportant]

Can we get the user titles like Hairy Member to say Hairy Vagina? Just replace all references of Member with Vagina.

[cahernandez]

Man...I'm watching footage from Hans Zimmer first night of his first US tour (specifically songs from Interestellar and Inception) and it makes me wish for a TR&AR tour! Hans did 34 songs. TR&AR have more than enough material for a 1.5~2 set. Imagine what that'd be like! Full orchestra for some songs...the two of them for a few songs. Some great visuals...special guests on some other songs...I'd pay top money to see something like this. I hope teitan is reading this!

https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/04/hans-zimmer-kicks-off-first-ever-north-american-tour-with-spectacular-34-song-performance/

[butter_hole]

I feel bad for saying this, but now that he's no longer under the NIN blanket I kinda can't stand Rob at all -- his twitter account is the cringiest shit ever and that nudes/landscape photo project he did is SO lame. Frankly I'm a little excited to see the future of NIN without him. This makes me wonder if I ever actually liked anything he did with NIN. Now that I think about it, my favourite artwork the band ever had was either pre-Rob or Phillip Graybill's stuff in Ghosts... ah well.

[Kyle]

I didn't even know he was gone. When did that happen? Is he still with HtDA?

[fillow]

When did that happen?

He confirmed it last year, when NTAE was released and it turned out that Kraw took over artwork duties.
I'm gonna wild guess that Rob actually departed quite some time before that (like 2015-ish).


Is he still with HtDA?

We don't know, no one from the camp commented on that.

[Ryan]

Rob got robbed.

[ryanmcfly]

He confirmed it last year, when NTAE was released and it turned out that Kraw took over artwork duties.
I'm gonna wild guess that Rob actually departed quite some time before that (like 2015-ish).



We don't know, no one from the camp commented on that.

his twitter bio says "Formerly of NIN/HTDA"

[Deacon Blackfire]

I feel bad for saying this, but now that he's no longer under the NIN blanket I kinda can't stand Rob at all -- his twitter account is the cringiest shit ever and that nudes/landscape photo project he did is SO lame. Frankly I'm a little excited to see the future of NIN without him. This makes me wonder if I ever actually liked anything he did with NIN. Now that I think about it, my favourite artwork the band ever had was either pre-Rob or Phillip Graybill's stuff in Ghosts... ah well.

I feel bad for agreeing, but...

While I've generally liked Rob's contributions to the art direction of Nine Inch Nails and How To Destroy Angels quite a bit, I'd be lying if I said I haven't felt similarly to you recently. Recent examples of his work have been pretty rough. The nudes/landscape "Wander" series is indeed pretty embarrassing and vacuous but for my money the all-time-worst is that "This Is Not Fine" illustration he had pinned for a while. So ridiculously heavy-handed and obvious, which makes it even more cringe-worthy when you find out it's an idea he had been holding onto since the Bush presidency. Rob clearly has talent and I really have nothing against him but that piece is just crap and I say that as someone who despises Trump and his regime.

Definitely happy that NIN now has some fresh blood in that department, and I'm looking forward to seeing how Crawford fares.

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

Rob completely butchered the AATCHB performance video. It looked like it was filmed by a bootlegger with a handheld cam

[sick among the pure]

As far as photography is concerned, Crawford's work is far above and beyond Rob's. I don't even feel right comparing them. And yes, I also feel like an ass for saying this, though I also remember how much of an ass he was in person so I don't really feel that bad.. I won't say he never did anything good with NIN, I liked the abstract microscopy WT-era art, I liked the macro stuff he did for the Fragile-era work (TFA, etc), but that's because I like macro photography, not because he was particularly amazing at it. But his general photography was never groundbreaking, he has always been a design-oriented artist (that's what he went, briefly, to college for after all).

I'm also sure he had some great concepts for live performance visuals, I know he and Trent both had input in regards to the Moment Factory's setups. And while we don't know how much story/world building he was responsible for Year Zero, I'm sure his influence in that project helped make it what it is.

Looking back, a lot of his work was the same ideas done over and over, and it got pretty boring pretty fast in my opinion. Abstract macro > abstract macro that's glitchy > abstract glitchy > abstract AND glitchy.

I am very excited to see more of Crawford's work with NIN, one of the big exciting things about the upcoming tour is seeing how much input he has and seeing what kind of tour art he produces (merch/poster art, tour visuals, photo/video work of the band, etc).

[xolotl]

Heh, I feel compelled to stand up for Rob's work in NIN, and to say that I don't mind continuing to follow him on Twitter... I admit that I wasn't fond of the nudes/landscape stuff, but whatever, that was like three tweets. I've been enjoying his recent "cursed object" giveaway, and I've not felt compelled to unfollow at any point. To each their own, of course!

As for NIN art direction, I'm certainly eager to see what kind of new directions Crawford will bring to the table, and Robless NIN art in the future in general, 'cause I do enjoy when stuff like that gets shaken up. I remain fond of all the analog-glitch type stuff that Rob worked on with NIN, though. The HTDA visuals (the live show in particular) remain favorites of mine.

Edit:


Looking back, a lot of his work was the same ideas done over and over, and it got pretty boring pretty fast in my opinion. Abstract macro > abstract macro that's glitchy > abstract glitchy > abstract AND glitchy.

Yeah, he definitely had a fairly consistent visual style throughout.

[sick among the pure]

Yeah, he definitely had a fairly consistent visual style throughout.

Don't confuse doing the same things over and over with having a consistent visual style, though. Russell Mills has a consistent visual style. It's not all the same subject/materials, but when you see anything of his you know it's his or directly influenced by his style.

[WorzelG]

Rob completely butchered the AATCHB performance video. It looked like it was filmed by a bootlegger with a handheld cam

Did he film that though? And wasnt that Trents aesthetic put in practice. He canned a load of 'professionally filmed' tour videos

I thought the on stage performance videos Rob took from 2009 onwards were amazing

[wizfan]

I think I've posted this before, but it bears repeating, especially since I'm happy that kraw is now the new NIN art guy.

I always found Rob to be a pretty good photographer, videographer and art supervisor. His concepts for the live concert visuals for NIN and HtDA were also amazing. But as a designer, I don't really care for his work anymore; which is funny, considering he was a great source of inspiration for me as a kid, when I was learning the ropes of graphic design (and aping his style for the NIN fan releases). I still like his photography and font choices for TFA, YZ, Ghosts and The Slip, and his "remaster" of the PHM art was cool, but that's about it. Every time he would settle on an art direction for a specific NIN album/tour era, he would just do the same thing over and over again, with very little variation. For instance, the bland texture backgrounds for The Slip wore off quickly, and when I saw that he did THE EXACT SAME THING for the first HtDA website, I was like "ugggghhhh". And his overall aesthetic slowly descended into just that: bland. Bland, bland, bland.

Rob has always had great concepts, but they were far better when others executed them, or when he was simply doing layouts for covers/booklets featuring art by others: Mark Weaver (HtDA EP), Angelbert Metoyer (NiggyTardust), Matthew Santoro (Year Zero), Neil Kellerhouse (Dragon Tattoo and Gone Girl), Russell Mills (TDS remaster and HM)... and don't get me started on the fuckballs aesthetic of Welcome oblivion (hey, @Ryan (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=67) ...).

Thank you, Rob's art and design, for staying with us for so long and keeping us warm. Now, it's time to embrace the mastery of kraw. kraw is raw. kraw is bold, different, dangerous. kraw is love. kraw is the visual shot in the arm NIN needed. Not to mention, when I saw people in here getting pissed off because he recycled the artwork of Still, I was like, "Fuck yeah. This guy is perfect for NIN". Hell, I can't wait for him to piss me off. Bring it on, @kraw (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=274) .

[butter_hole]

I feel bad for inspiring that wave of anti-Rob sentiment. I do highly, highly appreciate the guy but I'm glad we're getting something different. It's just... he's like a game of Cards Against Humanity come to life, and I really can't fuck with that.

[sweeterthan]

Palette cleanser: gum chewing Reznor denies industrial status in 1992
https://youtu.be/XIFFo4d8GVU

[nooneimportant]

Rob completely butchered the AATCHB performance video. It looked like it was filmed by a bootlegger with a handheld cam

That was the point.

[Ryan]

Palette cleanser: gum chewing Reznor denies industrial status in 1992
https://youtu.be/XIFFo4d8GVU

I want to go back in time and stay in 1992 forever.

[r_z]

This is nice. Has a bit of an HTDA feel to me. More laid back but still glitchy and dark. Good stuff!

[Lerxto]

When can we officially download this track? I love it!
To be honest, I liked the original track too, but the NIN mix sounds much better to my ears.

[LOVEANDZOMBIES]

Not feeling it. This guy is just not my thing. I appreciate the technical aspects, but it feels like lately Trent is moving into a less aggressive, less intrusive space with his instrumental work. Guess I just need some member berries.

[sonic_discord]

New "Nine Inch Nails" mix of that Todd Rundgren track.
https://youtu.be/u8u6ClmBYEA

I still don't love this track, but this version is a lot better. The thing I was bitching about earlier on the original/"proper" version is less apparent/noticeable on the NIN remix.

[blassster]

I love how raw and crisp his voice is here, and everyone's performance is fucking great especially as it's ending. The collector WT rehearsal video:
https://youtu.be/Ko99mg42iyY

[Lerxto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8u6ClmBYEA&feature=youtu.be'

They're keep listing Todd Rundgren feat. TR&AR instead of NIN, when TR&AR could be tagged as NIN now, and it carries more weight.
So I guess this song TR gave Todd is a score outtake, rather than a HM demo. Maybe it's one of the lost 3 Gone Girl outtakes that were supposed to come out.

[eversonpoe]

New "Nine Inch Nails" mix of that Todd Rundgren track.
https://youtu.be/u8u6ClmBYEA

haven't listened to the original yet but this sounds like what i imagine would happen if TR&AR collaborated with steven wilson. i never realized that SW & todd rundgren have such similar-sounding voices, i guess?

[xolotl]

Chicago Tribune this morning: http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/ct-riot-fest-2017-lineup-nine-inch-nails-20170419-column.html

I like that they used a tambourine pic for that

[allegro]

haven't listened to the original yet but this sounds like what i imagine would happen if TR&AR collaborated with steven wilson. i never realized that SW & todd rundgren have such similar-sounding voices, i guess?

Todd's voice doesn't sound like Todd's voice (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wa_dn7xhzT8) to me on this new track.

[Deepvoid]

Chicago Tribune this morning: http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/ct-riot-fest-2017-lineup-nine-inch-nails-20170419-column.html

Sweet lineup. Why can't we have something like this here in Montreal.
14h drive from Montreal. Definitely doable. Would need to take a couple days off at work.
Damn ...

[kargath]

See you all in the fall. I work downtown and live just west of the city, so if anyone needs recommendations for anything, hit me up.

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[Blackbookpress1984]

I kind of love that this is happening at Riot, as opposed to fucking Lolla.

Who's up for a meetup come September. I live in the suburbs of Chicago. I have a feeling there may be a lot of people coming to town for this.

[patj825]

https://instagram.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/18011240_801533803329412_7776664229351784448_n.jpg

From the nine inch nails Instagram post regarding the Riot Fest announcement.

Cool still from the Survivalism video.

[zecho]

As someone who only knows of Todd Rundgren through VH1 and the like, does anyone have any recommendations on where to start if I wanted to give him a listen?

[sonic_discord]

Cool still from the Survivalism video.

looks like the cover art from the Survivalism single. Another instance of re-purposing artwork from the past.

[WorzelG]

As someone who only knows of Todd Rundgren through VH1 and the like, does anyone have any recommendations on where to start if I wanted to give him a listen?

TR gave some pointers on facebook. Hope this link works
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155052903921221&id=19787971220

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

NIN and Dino Jr and Mike Patton on the same festival. wow..also as a Cubs fan, september sounds about nice for a chicago vacation

[fillow]

Did NIN and Ministry ever shared a festival before?
I wonder if there's even 1% chance of Trent and Al doing GDML or Supernaut together.

[Indefinite_Cure]

https://instagram.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/18011240_801533803329412_7776664229351784448_n.jpg

From the nine inch nails Instagram post regarding the Riot Fest announcement.
Wouldn't it all make sens if this was the official best-of tour and Not The Actual Events was just a way of keeping his promise last year?

[implanted_microchip]

Wouldn't it all make sens if this was the official best-of tour and Not The Actual Events was just a way of keeping his promise last year?

Wouldn't it all make sense if The Eater of Dreams was named after you since that what you are right now?

[wizfan]

So, TR is repurposing YZ for the "Capital T" era. Now people will sing the prophetic praises of YZ rather than repeating the same shtick of, say, "Idiocracy was right all along" or "we're living 1984 or Fahrenheit 451". No, we're living YZ.

Case in point: the 4K Blu-ray discs are being billed as "Ultra High-Def". NEED I SAY MORE???????

[sick among the pure]

Sweet lineup. Why can't we have something like this here in Montreal.
14h drive from Montreal. Definitely doable. Would need to take a couple days off at work.
Damn ...

I'm tempted to throw gas money at you if you'd be crossing into the states at the falls.

[Ryan]

looks like the cover art from the Survivalism single. Another instance of re-purposing artwork from the past.

So he's copying what Bowie did with "Heroes"?

[Indefinite_Cure]

Wouldn't it all make sens if this was the official best-of tour and Not The Actual Events was just a way of keeping his promise last year?
Also, I just noticed the scratches on this artwork are the exact same scratches that were super-imposed on Trent Rezone's face and Atticus Ross's face on the picture from the announcement of Not The Actual Events

[neorev]

If Trent is going to do any sorta greatest hits/best of album and/or tour, he should wait until 2019 when NIN turns 30.

[Prettybrokenspiral]

Wow, no 10 year anniversary thread for Year Zero this week? Da fuck?

[Ryan]

Wow, no 10 year anniversary thread for Year Zero this week? Da fuck?

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/423/untitle.JPG

[Ryan]

Also, I just noticed the scratches on this artwork are the exact same scratches that were super-imposed on Trent Rezone's face and Atticus Ross's face on the picture from the announcement of Not The Actual Events

Maybe this whole NTAE thing with the Still cover and Survivalism cover and those scratches on the transparent photo will all make sense once the tour starts, kinda like what he intended to do with With Teeth - "everything will come together; you'll get it," or whatever he said. I do have a vague recollection of kraw saying the artwork will all make sense in a few months or something to that effect.

I'll quote this post later when it comes out of the woodwork.

[Prettybrokenspiral]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/423/untitle.JPG

http://orig12.deviantart.net/d7dc/f/2012/122/7/0/lame_penguin_meme_by_vincentsonlylover-d4ycvg7.png

[Ryan]

http://orig12.deviantart.net/d7dc/f/2012/122/7/0/lame_penguin_meme_by_vincentsonlylover-d4ycvg7.png


http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/208/666/yes..jpg

[niggo]

They're keep listing Todd Rundgren feat. TR&AR instead of NIN, when TR&AR could be tagged as NIN now, and it carries more weight.
So I guess this song TR gave Todd is a score outtake, rather than a HM demo. Maybe it's one of the lost 3 Gone Girl outtakes that were supposed to come out.

I believe Trent & Atticus simply developed a sense for what music should get attributed to NIN and what to TRAR. There were even a couple of "Trent Reznor Remixes" back in the day, so I guess sometimes NIN just doesn't fit.

Sure, it could be an outtake (although I don't think so), but I feel that simply having it tagged as a TRAR remix doesn't make it more or less likely.

[ninjaw]

I do have a vague recollection of @kraw (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=274) saying the artwork will all make sense in a few months or something to that effect.
I'll quote this post later when it comes out of the woodwork.

Plzyes

[alfonso99]

Maybe this whole NTAE thing with the Still cover and Survivalism cover and those scratches on the transparent photo will all make sense once the tour starts, kinda like what he intended to do with With Teeth - "everything will come together; you'll get it," or whatever he said. I do have a vague recollection of @kraw (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=274) saying the artwork will all make sense in a few months or something to that effect.

I'll quote this post later when it comes out of the woodwork.

Maybe the Riotfest show will be YZ oriented.

[ultimatebdp]

Maybe the Riotfest show will be YZ oriented.

Or maybe since the festival is called RIOTfest, they used previous artwork featuring RIOT police.

As much as I like YZ, most of those songs wouldn't be right for a big, outdoor festival.

[Shadaloo]

How great is it that Trent's just cutting out the middleman and just supplying the fanbase with the bootleg artwork directly :D

[patj825]

Wow, no 10 year anniversary thread for Year Zero this week? Da fuck?

Problem solved.

[tremolo]

Could the use of previous artwork be hints towards that greatest hits album that trent owes interscope?

[sonic_discord]

Could the use of previous artwork be hints towards that greatest hits album that trent owes interscope?


Maybe he WAS going to finally make the greatest hits and he even recorded a track or two meant to be the obligatory new bonus tracks tacked onto the end, but then it grew into an entire project yet again and/or he decided (again) it was too good to be relegated to simply be bonus tracks on a shitty greatest hits album.

[xolotl]

Maybe he WAS going to finally make the greatest hits and he even recorded a track or two meant to be the obligatory new bonus tracks tacked onto the end, but then it grew into an entire project yet again and/or he decided (again) it was too good to be relegated to simply be bonus tracks on a shitty greatest hits album.

He'll have to just swallow his pride and crap out "Head Like A Hole (Pussygrinder)" for the Greatest Hits thing, just to get it out of the way.

[_T_B_W_]

He'll have to just swallow his pride and crap out "Head Like A Hole (Pussygrinder)" for the Greatest Hits thing, just to get it out of the way.

Can't wait for the Timbaland Remix of THTF to pop up on there too.

[Ryan]

Maybe he WAS going to finally make the greatest hits and he even recorded a track or two meant to be the obligatory new bonus tracks tacked onto the end, but then it grew into an entire project yet again and/or he decided (again) it was too good to be relegated to simply be bonus tracks on a shitty greatest hits album.

That makes sense, with the "Actual Events" meaning to be the greatest hits package. Instead we got... not... the actual events, just yet anyway.

[sonic_discord]

That makes sense, with the "Actual Events" meaning to be the greatest hits package. Instead we got... not... the actual events, just yet anyway.

Exactly. It happened before with Hesitation Marks, who's to say it couldn't happen again, just for a 5-song EP this time, ya know?

[wizfan]

Via @orestes (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4)

Beat you to it two posts ago. I was too lazy to embed the pic, though.

[Krazy]

That looks yummy. Anyone even know what that is from Starbuckers, Inc?...

[Halo Infinity]

I still sometimes like to imagine what it would have been like to have had an EP come out before The Fragile with a Burn/The Perfect Drug sound. This also just occurred to me yet again as I was listening to Broken, And All That Could Have Been (Still) and Not The Actual Events.

[botley]

Unicorn choad/soapy & cold/i'd rather die/than slurp any more

chow down on coffee-based soft serve
you're going to poop in purple swirls
you know who you are

[sonic_discord]

I still sometimes like to imagine what it would have been like to have had an EP come out before The Fragile with a Burn/The Perfect Drug sound. This also just occurred to me yet again as I was listening to Broken, And All That Could Have Been (Still) and Not The Actual Events.


In theory, that would be amazing. Burn and The Perfect Drug are two of my favorite NIN songs. The latter was the reason I became a fan. I loved Closer when I first heard it, but The Perfect Drug was the song that got me hooked and caused me to hunt down every NIN CD I could find. I used to dig through the NIN section of every Wal-Mart, Target, Sam Goody, record store, etc. that I went to looking for anything I didn't own yet. The whole halo system really is an ingenious marketing idea, as I was obsessed with collecting them all like they were Pokemon.

[eversonpoe]

In theory, that would be amazing. Burn and The Perfect Drug are two of my favorite NIN songs. The latter was the reason I became a fan. I loved Closer when I first heard it, but The Perfect Drug was the song that got me hooked and caused me to hunt down every NIN CD I could find. I used to dig through the NIN section of every Wal-Mart, Target, Sam Goody, record store, etc. that I went to looking for anything I didn't own yet. The whole halo system really is an ingenious marketing idea, as I was obsessed with collecting them all like they were Pokemon.

are we the same person?

[eversonpoe]

That looks yummy. Anyone even know what that is from Starbuckers, Inc?...

it's a Unicorn Frappuchino. i had one yesterday and it was surprisingly delicious. i recommend getting it with almond milk.

[Kyle]

In theory, that would be amazing. Burn and The Perfect Drug are two of my favorite NIN songs. The latter was the reason I became a fan. I loved Closer when I first heard it, but The Perfect Drug was the song that got me hooked and caused me to hunt down every NIN CD I could find. I used to dig through the NIN section of every Wal-Mart, Target, Sam Goody, record store, etc. that I went to looking for anything I didn't own yet. The whole halo system really is an ingenious marketing idea, as I was obsessed with collecting them all like they were Pokemon.

The only NIN I've ever seen in Walmart was Ghosts.

[_T_B_W_]

The only NIN I've ever seen in Walmart was Ghosts.

Funny thing, that was my first NIN album I purchased around 09'. Even bought it at a Wal-Mart no less. I saw the original pressing of Pretty Hate Machine and Hesitation Marks in the shelves of another Wal-Mart a couple months ago.

[seasonsinthesky]

The only NIN I've ever seen in Walmart was Ghosts.

I bought Broken and Closer to God at a Wal-Mart, no joke. Uncensored too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[sonic_discord]

The only NIN I've ever seen in Walmart was Ghosts.


20 years ago it was more common. I remember borrowing my cousin's Closer single back in the summer of 1996 and falling in love with that song, but it wasn't until 1997 when I REALLY started to become a big fan. I saw the music video at a friend's house and it blew me away. My first purchase was The Perfect Drug single (the imported version that included the original version of the song, because I was smart and/or lucky) from the Best Buy in Fargo. My options were pretty limited in my hometown (Target, Wal-Mart, K-Mart, local pawn shop) and I had to look for the good stuff (rare, imports, bootlegs, etc.) when I visited places like Fargo or Minneapolis. Back in those days, I could spend HOURS digging through the CDs at Best Buy, Mediaplay, Sam Goody, Discontent, and other record stores. Then I got The Downward Spiral for Christmas (and I opened it and listened to it before Christmas because I was naughty like that). After that, I remember biking to my local Wal-Mart one day after a shift at my first job and finding both Pretty Hate Machine and Broken. Both of those releases predate the whole Parental Advisory sticker thing, so there was no "clean" version to worry about avoiding. After that, I started hunting down all the singles and remix albums. The Fragile was the first release that I got to enjoy on the day of release.

[Kulerage]

I still sometimes like to imagine what it would have been like to have had an EP come out before The Fragile with a Burn/The Perfect Drug sound. This also just occurred to me yet again as I was listening to Broken, And All That Could Have Been (Still) and Not The Actual Events.
You may have heard some of those DnB sounding Fragile outtakes from D1. I imagine stuff like that is how it would sound

[wizfan]

If anyone's interested, CX Kidtronik has released the intro playing on the With Teeth tour when Saul Williams was the opening act:

https://sewerratsbk.bandcamp.com/track/shifter-with-teeth-tour-saul-williams-show-intro

[elevenism]

Todd's voice doesn't sound like Todd's voice (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wa_dn7xhzT8) to me on this new track.
I agree!
He doesn't just sound older, he sounds like a different person, with a totally different accent and different inflection/timbre/intonation.
Weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsezr0qiFIc

[ryanmcfly]

Went to a local record store today and scored a copy of The Slip for fifteen bucks. Pretty stoked about it. They also had a copy of Things Falling Apart for 35 but I didn't need a bunch of Starfuckers remixes.

[implanted_microchip]

Slipping Away, The Great Collapse, Metal and The Frail (Version) more than make Things Falling Apart worth it and anybody who says otherwise is lying to themselves just as much as anyone else

[ChipRock]

Yup. Forget about the Starfuckers mixes for a minute and you have one of the best NIN releases in Things Falling Apart. With all due respect, I can't help feel that The Fragile period as a whole would be better with a little bit of editing here and there, but hey, you can't please everyone.

The talk of buying actual Nine Inch Nails records in stores brings back weird memories. Weird to think that when I first started there wasn't a whole lot available. I bought Fixed on CD in HMV as it was the cheapest release they had... cheaper than Head Like A Hole and Down In It import singles, and Broken, and if I recall correctly Pretty Hate Machine wasn't so easily available. Maybe that's just what everyone was buying over anything else.

[sweeterthan]

The "Metal" cover is one of the most perfect things in existence. His vocals and the building of choruses to the long yummy outro... when I listen to it, I usually play it 3 times. Once is not enough.


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[elevenism]

Slipping Away, The Great Collapse, Metal and The Frail (Version) more than make Things Falling Apart worth it and anybody who says otherwise is lying to themselves just as much as anyone else
don't forget the Telefon Tel Aviv / Danny Lohner version of Where Is Everybody, aka one of my absolute favorite songs of all time.
The effects on the vocals are just fucking unreal.

[fillow]

Where exactly does everyone's problem with SF remixes lies? Only because it's three remixes for the same song? FWIW, I remember reading somewhere very long ago that halo 16 was going to be a single for SF (hence the remixes), before it was scrapped in favor of remix album

[implanted_microchip]

I also forgot to mention that for the longest time it was the only way for a lot of us to have a copy of 10 Miles High and I owe TFA a lot of thanks for that.
fillow I think that the hate for the SF remixes are a couple of things:

1. It's almost universally the least-favorite song from The Fragile, so people aren't exactly dying for remixes of it when there's a huge and sprawling double album of beloved songs.

2. The fact that there's three makes it feel like they're taking up slots other songs could have gone into -- and this isn't helped by the incredible wealth of remixes that were relegated to the TFA website rather than being on the CD.

3. The shortest of them is still five minutes long and they're all very dance-oriented. They feel fairly out of place, and when you get so many each so short after one another it becomes deeply monotonous. The song itself was never that sonically interesting or expansive so it feels silly for so much attention to be placed on it, whereas something like Mr. Self Destruct at least made sense to get a lot of reworkings -- it's a mammoth of a song with tons of moving parts to play around with.

[henryeatscereal]

The "Metal" cover is one of the most perfect things in existence. His vocals and the building of choruses to the long yummy outro... when I listen to it, I usually play it 3 times. Once is not enough.


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That reminds me of the time i saw NIN live at Denmark and they played "Metal" (it was the Wave Goodbye tour, so they were playing rare stuff...)
To me it's one of the hightlights of my live history with NIN: not only i adore this version, i never thought i would hear it live!

[implanted_microchip]

I was actually mildly let down when I saw Numan do the encore with NIN in Orlando on Tension that they didn't do Metal. Mystery To Bed made up for it though.

While TFA is getting some discussion I figure it's worth mentioning I have a playlist I put together of an alternate version that I think would've been the best NIN remix album with no contest around:

1. The Great Collapse
2. The Wretched (Version)
3. Untitled (thingsfallingapart.com)
4. The Fragile (Deconstructed)
5. The Frail (Version)
6. Even Deeper (Telefon Tel Aviv Love Dub)
7. The New Flesh (thingsfallingapart.com)
8. Slipping Away
9. 10 Miles High
10. Starfuckers, Inc. (3rd Version)
11. No, You Don't (thingsfallingapart.com)
12. Where Is Everybody? (Version)
13. La Mer (thingsfallingapart.com)
14. Metal

I've flipped La Mer and Metal around at times and can't ever seem to find the perfect fit for La Mer, but I love that remix and think it totally has a place on the album.

[patj825]

I was actually mildly let down when I saw Numan do the encore with NIN in Orlando on Tension that they didn't do Metal. Mystery To Bed made up for it though.

While TFA is getting some discussion I figure it's worth mentioning I have a playlist I put together of an alternate version that I think would've been the best NIN remix album with no contest around:

1. The Great Collapse
2. The Wretched (Version)
3. Untitled (thingsfallingapart.com)
4. The Fragile (Deconstructed)
5. The Frail (Version)
6. Even Deeper (Telefon Tel Aviv Love Dub)
7. The New Flesh (thingsfallingapart.com)
8. Slipping Away
9. 10 Miles High
10. Starfuckers, Inc. (3rd Version)
11. No, You Don't (thingsfallingapart.com)
12. Where Is Everybody? (Version)
13. La Mer (thingsfallingapart.com)
14. Metal

I've flipped La Mer and Metal around at times and can't ever seem to find the perfect fit for La Mer, but I love that remix and think it totally has a place on the album.

I missed the thingsfallingapart.com remixes. How many were there? Does anyone have the group to share?

EDIT: I they are official releases from the band.

[sweeterthan]

That reminds me of the time i saw NIN live at Denmark and they played "Metal" (it was the Wave Goodbye tour, so they were playing rare stuff...)
To me it's one of the hightlights of my live history with NIN: not only i adore this version, i never thought i would hear it live!

True story: for that 2009 tour, tr ask on twitter what songs we'd like to see him cover. I replied asking for "Metal". Then he played it a bunch on that tour. [emoji41]

[ultimatebdp]

I never really cared for those SF remixes...they just never grabbed me. I know a lot of folks rip the original song, but I gotta admit when TDTWWA single came out, I played the hell out of SF in anticipation of The Fragile.

[henryeatscereal]

True story: for that 2009 tour, tr ask on twitter what songs we'd like to see him cover. I replied asking for "Metal". Then he played it a bunch on that tour. [emoji41]
Then i have to thank you!

It wasn't a "flashy show", full of visuals like the ones we had on previous tours, but the setlist was something special (http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nine-inch-nails/2009/festivalpladsen-roskilde-denmark-3d66983.html), they played "I'm Afraid of Americans" and "The Becoming" (!).

God i wish i could go back in time...

[patj825]

I missed the thingsfallingapart.com remixes. How many were there? Does anyone have the group to share?

EDIT: I they are official releases from the band.

The New Flesh (thingsfallingapart.com version)
https://archive.org/details/remix-nin-com-audio-00907

I can only find Untitled on YouTube.

[Papagolash]

I just don't understand the hate for Starfuckers Inc.

[Papagolash]

The New Flesh (thingsfallingapart.com version)
https://archive.org/details/remix-nin-com-audio-00907

I can only find Untitled on YouTube.


Technically there are 4 versions, the 2 that were on the site and the 2 that were on remix.nin.com Apparently the difference is very subtle, like the endings are slightly longer or 2 are mixed a little better. There's info on ninwiki somewhere. If I remember later I'll find and zip em up for ya.

[GibbonBlack]

I just don't understand the hate for Starfuckers Inc.

I fucking LOVE Starfuckers, but I don't think it fits on The Fragile. That and No, You Don't. Both are great songs but they ruin the flow a little for me when I'm listening through

[sick among the pure]

Yeah, the hate for Starfuckers isn't that people hate the song, or even don't like the song, so much as it not fitting well with the rest of the album. Not just sonically, but thematically.

[Papagolash]

I fucking LOVE Starfuckers, but I don't think it fits on The Fragile. That and No, You Don't. Both are great songs but they ruin the flow a little for me when I'm listening through


I love both songs, and I don't think No, You Don't gets the love it deserves. I fucking love the lyrics.

[sweeterthan]

Starfuckers is the worst song on the best album. People are going to have strong opinions about it.

No, you don't > starfuckers


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[Papagolash]

Starfuckers is the worst song on the best album. People are going to have strong opinions about it.

No, you don't > starfuckers


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But the worst song on that album is I'm Looking Forward to Joining You, Finally.

[niggo]

But the worst song on that album is I'm Looking Forward to Joining You, Finally.

Duuuude. You're entering a world of pain.

[Kulerage]

I fucking LOVE Starfuckers, but I don't think it fits on The Fragile. That and No, You Don't. Both are great songs but they ruin the flow a little for me when I'm listening through
I like No, You Don't being on The Fragile. I find that the harsh distorted ending leading straight into La Mer is a great sudden mood change, and the song itself is one of my personal favorites from the left disc.

[ultimatebdp]

Maybe if SF was on the left side with Somewhat Damaged, No, You Don't and The Wretched...it wouldn't seem so out of place.

[botley]

^^ That's an interesting take, one which prompted a thought that hadn't occurred to me (well, not for years anyway)... if The Fragile had been divided into "conventional songs" and "experimental music" discs, how would that have changed its contemporary perception as a piece of work? Or its commercial performance? This is obviously something TR has done some soul-searching and thinking about in hindsight. It came up on the NIN:access Q&A sessions before With Teeth arrived, and he said as much back then. Apparently, with Deviations 1, he has since totally made peace with the album's sprawling, instrumental-heavy heart, and it would probably have been a betrayal of its true nature to affix everything with a hook-filled lyric all in one spot for easier digestion. But the idea is still intriguing.

[HWB]

^^

The Slip kinda did this, the album clearly has its experimental side (second half) and its "convectional" songs (first half)

[r_z]

I think he could have gone the Radiohead way and release TF not as a double disc, but as two seperate albums - just as they did with Kid A and Amnesiac. I think there even was an Interview with him post Amnesiac where he kind of acknowledged this.

I also think there's an album somewhere in TF that's just as strong and daring as Kid A.

[eversonpoe]

^^

The Slip kinda did this, the album clearly has its experimental side (second half) and its "convectional" songs (first half)

man, i love it when songs can warm up my breakfast ;)

[elevenism]

I don't DISLIKE No, You Don't, but I think it's my least favorite on the record

[wizfan]

botley r_z Another album that used that kind of structure was Intelligence and Sacrifice by Alec Empire. Disc 1 is Atari Teenage Riot-lite, Disc 2 is endless synth noodling.

[seasonsinthesky]

I think he could have gone the Radiohead way and release TF not as a double disc, but as two seperate albums - just as they did with Kid A and Amnesiac. I think there even was an Interview with him post Amnesiac where he kind of acknowledged this.

I also think there's an album somewhere in TF that's just as strong and daring as Kid A.

Had TF been two albums like Kid/Amnesiac, their current tracklists are pretty sensible as standalones. It even sorta matches the way Kid A is more easily accessible and Amnesiac follows some more harrowing and experimental roads (despite most of the truly experimental material being left for its singles). The way some cassettes do TF part 1 and part 2 is pretty much this method of release.

[GibbonBlack]

@botley (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=469) @r_z (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=347) Another album that used that kind of structure was Intelligence and Sacrifice by Alec Empire. Disc 1 is Atari Teenage Riot-lite, Disc 2 is endless synth noodling.

Disc 1 is soooooooooo good.

[wizfan]

I like Starfuckers where it currently is, because it's like The Fragile's Big Man With A Gun: the final outburst before things go darker, deeper and weirder. And yes, I know what I've said in my Fragile megamix tutorial video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbIEsFl3W_I) about the song feeling generally out of place in The Fragile as a whole. Dammit, Fragile. You always keep changing my mind about yourself. You are the very definition of "sprawling".

[Halo Infinity]

For quite some time, I've actually looked at albums as movies and TV shows where each song is like a scene or an episode. It's part of why I try to take each album as a single entity even if I end up skipping songs a lot, or even if the albums aren't actual concept albums. It's even gotten to to try to perceive each album as a sequel (And snapshot of when/what the artist(s) were/was.), which is why it got me to try to look into albums in chronological order, especially when it comes to getting into proper listens/binges for the very first time.

I'm sure this is one of the reasons I keep returning to Nine Inch Nails, aside from being entertained and relating to the actual music and lyrics. I've always liked how Trent Reznor was able to connect songs, stories and meanings from start to finish on each record, while sometimes referring to other songs and records as a callback or even connecting videos like with what he did for the Broken movie, which to me, seems very much like the nature of seasons, episodes and scenes. The visual aspects of his works also definitely speak for themselves in that regard too.

[GibbonBlack]

All the evidence in the world won't convince him that it was written by Trent Reznor

[onthewall2983]

Was there anything that Tweet was in reference to, or was he just super-bummed that day for some reason?

[HWB]

For quite some time, I've actually looked at albums as movies and TV shows where each song is like a scene or an episode. It's part of why I try to take each album as a single entity even if I end up skipping songs a lot, or even if the albums aren't actual concept albums. It's even gotten to to try to perceive each album as a sequel (And snapshot of when/what the artist(s) were/was.), which is why it got me to try to look into albums in chronological order, especially when it comes to getting into proper listens/binges for the very first time.

I'm sure this is one of the reasons I keep returning to Nine Inch Nails, aside from being entertained and relating to the actual music and lyrics. I've always liked how Trent Reznor was able to connect songs, stories and meanings from start to finish on each record, while sometimes referring to other songs and records as a callback or even connecting videos like with what he did for the Broken movie, which to me, seems very much like the nature of seasons, episodes and scenes. The visual aspects of his works also definitely speak for themselves in that regard too.



I always felt like that all works of NIN are concept records one way or another. With_Teeth, The Slip, Hesitation Marks and Not The Actual Events might as well be concept albums.

I don't get this quite feeling with each album, but NIN really makes me feel like there is a story going on. It makes it all feel very special

[WorzelG]

Was there anything that Tweet was in reference to, or was he just super-bummed that day for some reason?
I think somebody must have retweeted it in relation to him losing the custody battle because a ton of people are correcting him

[nooneimportant]

well, it was posted dec 9 2012. Without looking into it, my money is on that he though the world was going to end in 3 days on 12/12/12

The date was actually on 12/21/12. I remember that day, I listened to Year Zero and drank a soda. Fun times.

[wizfan]

I always felt like that all works of NIN are concept records one way or another. With_Teeth, The Slip, Hesitation Marks and Not The Actual Events might as well be concept albums.

I don't get this quite feeling with each album, but NIN really makes me feel like there is a story going on. It makes it all feel very special

It also has to do with the sound of each album; that is, the palette of instruments and textures used. Trent has mentioned that it's easier for him to limit himself by using only a few specific instruments or effects for each record, because, if he begins using every single piece of hardware in his huge studio, he will end up making, as he said, "stupid things". Thus, each record has a distinct sound, because it was made using a different set of tools.

Funny thing is, Imogen Heap has said the exact same thing in regards to her own music studio. She plays the piano or other acoustic instruments first, because the computer only drives her to "make noises".

[Halo Infinity]

I always felt like that all works of NIN are concept records one way or another. With_Teeth, The Slip, Hesitation Marks and Not The Actual Events might as well be concept albums.

I don't get this quite feeling with each album, but NIN really makes me feel like there is a story going on. It makes it all feel very special
Another thing I forgot to mention was that as far as the story part goes, it also has an autobiographical feel/vibe to it. I have related to NIN in my day to day life as I've mentioned, which is why I've stuck with NIN so much. (I'll also still admit that I know I should and could still sometimes put NIN down to make room for other artists in my listening binges too, but NIN really has a hold on me like no other.) I know I've mentioned this several times before, but I have been able to relate NIN albums so much even in those times of my life where I just felt like disappearing when being stagnant and just feeling utterly jaded and defeated altogether. I suppose that's what ultimately still makes me very appreciate of NIN more as I can enjoy it through thick and thin, while being entertained and introspective.

[HWB]

It also has to do with the sound of each album; that is, the palette of instruments and textures used. Trent has mentioned that it's easier for him to limit himself by using only a few specific instruments or effects for each record, because, if he begins using every single piece of hardware in his huge studio, he will end up making, as he said, "stupid things". Thus, each record has a distinct sound, because it was made using a different set of tools.

Funny thing is, Imogen Heap has said the exact same thing in regards to her own music studio. She plays the piano or other acoustic instruments first, because the computer only drives her to "make noises".


That and also the fact that even so called "non concept" records have mottifs and reference other tracks, it always feels like something leads up to something.

Like the instrumental parts in The Slip leading up to the Demon Seed, the constant references to something growing in the mind the artwork, how is this not concept album? It totally feels like it.

This goes for more work, With_Teeth references other tracks "The line begins to blur" and then you have Hesitation Marks which references TDS and almost may be a sequel to it.


I feel like all NIN's record are concept albums, in a style of The Fragile, where it isn't as clear or direct with its concept, more loose, not as straight forward as say The Downward Spiral, but you can tell something is going on from beginning to end.

[Ribbitman]

I've always assumed when he is saying "me and my fucking gun" he is literally talking about his "fucking" gun

[dvdglss]

laughed pretty hard at that Happy cover lol

[Microwave Jellyfish]

I'm convinced Closer started out as a tribute to Lalo Schifrin.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So5VuExvT4M

[Kulerage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDWIb45tY2c
But, will it blend?

[Shadaloo]

I recall that a few years ago I had set aside a few hundred for the Pumpkins' Machina reissue (which at that point I still believed would come out one day), intending to buy it in every format available. Then Hesitation Marks and the Tension tour happened and I said fuck it and my Pumpkins' savings went to NIN.

I built that back up. Just in case. Then the NIN reissue campaign started up. And NTAE.

I built it back up again. Just in case. Everything from With Teeth onward's still coming eventually.

It's time for me to accept that the Pumpkins fund is just perpetually going to Trent.

I'm okay with that.

[Lerxto]

I recall that a few years ago I had set aside a few hundred for the Pumpkins' Machina reissue (which at that point I still believed would come out one day), intending to buy it in every format available. Then Hesitation Marks and the Tension tour happened and I said fuck it and my Pumpkins' savings went to NIN.

I built that back up. Just in case. Then the NIN reissue campaign started up. And NTAE.

I built it back up again. Just in case. Everything from With Teeth onward's still coming eventually.

It's time for me to accept that the Pumpkins fund is just perpetually going to Trent.

I'm okay with that.
What the hell is Billy doing nowadays anyway?
No reunion tour, no solo album coming out, no machina reissue, no zwan box set, no pumpkins album, even the Teargarden project is incomplete.
Only thing that was released since MTAE is that fucking Siddartha boxset, which was beyond ludicrous.
I'll gladly support any proper release, but it seems like everything is in limbo.

[neorev]

What the hell is Billy doing nowadays anyway?
No reunion tour, no solo album coming out, no machina reissue, no zwan box set, no pumpkins album, even the Teargarden project is incomplete.
Only thing that was released since MTAE is that fucking Siddartha boxset, which was beyond ludicrous.
I'll gladly support any proper release, but it seems like everything is in limbo.

I wish he would just release the goddamn Machina reissue so I can stop having to care about anything else he does. Besides that boxset or reunion, I could give a crap what he does on his own. I'm done with his BS projects he never ends up finishing. I'm done with him selling postcards he found, cheap record players he scribbles on, and now pawning his frigging CD collection. It's just getting sad. I also love how they "decided" to change the Siddhartha from 500 signed copies to suddenly 250 so they could drop the price by over 50% for the unsigned sets because it wasn't selling out. They're trying to claim there are two sets of 250 each when it was always just the total 500 sets. Apparently without his signature, the boxset is only worth $160 instead of $375. Lets not forget he tried to make us believe the set was worth a lot of money by adding a cheap trucker hat with his initials and a $25 stylophone that you can buy anywhere else.

[Shadaloo]

FWIW he apparently said recently the solo album is coming in September. *Shrug*

I don't think he cares any more than we do, being a dad is probably priority 1 for him at the moment.

[Halo Infinity]

I love both songs, and I don't think No, You Don't gets the love it deserves. I fucking love the lyrics.
I was wondering whether to post this in the Controversial Nine Inch Nails opinions or the NIN Confessions thread, but thought of just making do with this one now that I've seen you bring it up.

Yes. No, You Don't and Starfuckers, Inc. are still among my most favorite songs from The Fragile to the point of me even considering them among the best songs from The Fragile. They always were that way to me.

As for the flow, I didn't mind it one bit, as it grabbed the "going off the deep end" vibes perfectly for me. *Imagining Trent shifting/altering characters/personalities, perspectives, moods and vibes along sounds and styles, etc.* If anything, it actually made me enjoy The Fragile a whole lot more. (Granted, it's probably still very easy for me to say that as somebody that also loves both songs anyway.)

[NIN64]

remember the Banksy hotel?
a new track by TR+AR is available here: http://walledoffhotel.com/media/green-lines.mp3
http://walledoffhotel.com


edit: it's the track number 8 of the album "The Walled Off Hotel". Hopefully they'll release the full thing




I didn't see this post, and I did not mean to steal your thunder, but I started a thread for this in the "score" section of the board after this was posted.

[Kulerage]

Several Hesitation Marks songs (namely the atmospheric ones) all remind me of traveling in the wilderness during the night. Their sound and mood just give me that feel.

[sweeterthan]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18402585_1532381586814452_242536586983988801_n.jpg ?oh=2693d65fe941758e15cda4a7a4f39152&oe=59782699

But...but...but none of us think or say that. This list is shit.


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[Ribbitman]

Several Hesitation Marks songs (namely the atmospheric ones) all remind me of traveling in the wilderness during the night. Their sound and mood just give me that feel.
which ones in particular?

[Prettybrokenspiral]

Watched Closure for like the billionth time last night. Still as awesome as the first time I saw it almost 20 years ago. That part after the Hurt performance when the guy does the cigarette-lighting trick is never anything short of amazing. Weird to see El Duce popping in backstage towards the beginning, too; dude was already dead on the railroad tracks seven months by the time that documentary was released.

Will never forget seeing the MTV news clip from that time when TR chucked the microphone stand and it smacked Vrenna in the head, who didn't so much as miss a beat on drums. Self-Destruct was a tour for the ages. I hope more of the unreleased footage they shot for it rises to the surface one day.

Looking forward to the "Closure: 20th anniversary" thread this November..

[fillow]

But...but...but none of us think or say that. This list is shit.

You love Combichrist, don't you?

The list is totally missing Rammstein.

[Art Vandelay]

You love Combichrist, don't you?

The list is totally missing Rammstein.

Since Rammstein is missing and I love Rammstein, I'm going to do my own...........

Rammstein: You buy your clothes at Hot Topic

[elevenism]

Several Hesitation Marks songs (namely the atmospheric ones) all remind me of traveling in the wilderness during the night. Their sound and mood just give me that feel.
find my way gives me that selfsame feeling.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

I like that we're in a time when not only is Nine Inch Nails comprised of Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross, but also "Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross" is a separate thing.

Not a complaint by any means, just a thought I had.

[sheepdean]

I like that we're in a time when not only is Nine Inch Nails comprised of Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross, but also "Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross" is a separate thing.

Not a complaint by any means, just a thought I had.
Just as confusing as when it was just Trent and yet we still had tracks by Trent on Lost Highway

[Bachy]

The ending of We're In This Together is just chilling.

[Kulerage]

which ones in particular?
Find My Way, Disappointed, and While I'm Still Here. The ending of All Time Low with the arpeggios also gives a similar feeling.

[streetman]

I was really hoping Trent would have done more interviews for NTAE. Hopefully he'll do some soon regarding Twin Peaks or the upcoming tour.

[sweeterthan]

I was really hoping Trent would have done more interviews for NTAE. Hopefully he'll do some soon regarding Twin Peaks or the upcoming tour.

I know! Barely a word from him. Plus no photos. The only official photo was one we've already seen with some new scratchy marks on it.

[Art Vandelay]

I know! Barely a word from him. Plus no photos. The only official photo was one we've already seen with some new scratchy marks on it.

I know Trent wears a lot of hats and takes a lot of projects, maybe he is going to announce that he is special prosecutor in the Trump campaign Russian collusion case. If ever there was a time for a follow up to Year Zero.

[sheepdean]

I was really hoping Trent would have done more interviews for NTAE. Hopefully he'll do some soon regarding Twin Peaks or the upcoming tour.
When the festival dates start I assume more will come up, as he'll be out of studio, out of house but still have down time

[implanted_microchip]

Just because I'm also a huge DM fan and was interested, here's the setlist that Trent saw at that Depeche Mode show he wrote about that sheepdean posted over in NIN Spotting: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/depeche-mode/1986/blossom-music-center-cuyahoga-falls-oh-73d7f6e1.html

[ninjaw]

Depeche Mode posted a Trent thing. Sadly wasn't a collab announcement BUT I CAN DREAM
https://www.facebook.com/depechemode/photos/a.148688865328.141865.26101560328/10156072684730329/?type=3

Actually it was Tony Hawk pro skater that was in charge for the day on DM's facebook, and he wanted to use this to join both of his favorite bands, he asked TR and he sent him a mail ! (and what the hell is that new hyper cool photo ???)

[ninjaw]

when your friend is in iceland and stumbles upon the waterfall from the front cover of the fragile!

This is hyper cool, it would be cooler if you had GPS coords ? yes ?

[wizfan]

edit: nevermind

[chuenthez]

I am wondering, is there any NIN or DM songs in the Tony Hawk videogames ?

[ninjaw]

I am wondering, is there any NIN or DM songs in the Tony Hawk videogames ?

I found that in ninwiki : http://www.nin.wiki/Use_in_Video_Games#Tony_Hawk.27s_Project_8

[niggo]

I found that in ninwiki : http://www.nin.wiki/Use_in_Video_Games#Tony_Hawk.27s_Project_8

Off-topic, but I just remembered that JLYI was used in a trailer for Crysis 2.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOyD7SoY7LU&has_verified=1

Maybe someone's interested in adding that to the ninwiki page. Also that Batman trailer a couple months back that featured The Wretched.

[Haysey_Draws]

Maybe someone's interested in adding that to the ninwiki page. Also that Batman trailer a couple months back that featured The Wretched.

Wait, really? :eek:

[implanted_microchip]

. Also that Batman trailer a couple months back that featured The Wretched.

That was years ago now, if it's the Arkham Knight one you're talking about.

[niggo]

That was years ago now, if it's the Arkham Knight one you're talking about.

lolwut?

Yeah, it was one of those Arkham-something games.

Shit, years?

[implanted_microchip]

lolwut?

Yeah, it was one of those Arkham-something games.

Shit, years?

Came out in June 2015, so almost 2 years now.

[niggo]

Came out in June 2015, so almost 2 years now.

Holy shit. I found the trailer:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0f3vH3BNvc

May 2015. What. the. hell.

[implanted_microchip]

niggo "I can't tell if I'm slowing down, or time is speeding up"

[Halo Infinity]

When I looked up "I used to be somebody." on Google, there were several pictures that showed ghosts saying that exact quote. It got me to look at the end of the Down In It video with those lyrics in that type of context, as well as reminding me about Ghosts I-IV and the references to ghosts in Non-Entity. (As well as death being a state of non-entity.) There's also a bunch of them out there, so I thought of just picking this one for now.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/df/ed/34/dfed3420e6f67609cf8ce6f6210eab3e.jpg

Oh, and this certainly is one of those NIN moments that never got old to me. (I suppose it's also because it takes me back to those memories of being amused and thrilled at also sometimes getting away with saying fuck as a child and a teenager.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnGRL1UuBX0

[theimage13]

http://www.stereogum.com/1940392/trent-reznor-sent-tony-hawk-this-email-to-post-on-depeche-modes-facebook/news/


A group of friends and I drove down to Blossom Music Center amphitheater to see the Black Celebration tour. DM was one of our favorite bands and the Black Celebration record took my love for them to a new level.

I’ve thought about that night a lot over the years. It was a perfect summer night and I was in exactly the right place I was supposed to be. The music, the energy, the audience, the connection… it was spiritual and truly magic. I left that show grateful, humbled, energized, focused, and in awe of how powerful and transformative music can be… and I started writing what would eventually become Pretty Hate Machine.
Many times, particularly when we’re playing an amphitheater, I’ll think of that show while I’m onstage and hope someone in the audience is in the midst of a perfect summer night feeling how DM made me feel so many years ago.

After reading this, I really wish I had the means to talk to Trent, just for a minute. What he described basically happened to me during the Lights in the Sky tour, and I give it a large amount of credit for pushing me into the touring career I have now. I've even found myself gigging in a number of the same venues I saw NIN at, and I pause to think about how where I was once a fan, I'm now making a living. He was a hell of an inspiration when it came to getting off my ass, fighting through my mental blocks, and getting shit done. I would love to simply say thank you to him in person. And I'm sure that among this group, I'm not alone in feeling that way.

[Halo Infinity]

I just came across this moment of With Teeth being performed live. Now, I know for sure that I'm going to keep filling that in my mind during that part of the song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7IE8JXERn4

[Kulerage]

I just came across this moment of With Teeth being performed live. Now, I know for sure that I'm going to keep filling that in my mind during that part of the song.

Best part is, that was the last time the song was played live.

[Ryan]

Best part is, that was the last time the song was played live.

And I believe he said he'd never play that song live again after that happened.

[implanted_microchip]

Right Where It Belongs has got to make a live comeback sometime.

[Krazy]

Has anyone been to a NIN show with seating, where entire sections people actually sat down for the whole show? I'm not talking about nosebleeds either. Saw APC last weekend and getting yelled at for standing up, then going through the whole show sitting pretty much ruined the concert for me.

[sheepdean]

Has anyone been to a NIN show with seating, where entire sections people actually sat down for the whole show? I'm not talking about nosebleeds either. Saw APC last weekend and getting yelled at for standing up, then going through the whole show sitting pretty much ruined the concert for me.
react now, bridge school and the peter murphy shows were all seated weren't they?
Tbh I don't mind, and if everyone else is seated then standing up kinda is a dick move~

[Krazy]

react now, bridge school and the peter murphy shows were all seated weren't they?
Tbh I don't mind, and if everyone else is seated then standing up kinda is a dick move~

Yeah, I don't count those special one off shows though. Strictly a NIN show in a large venue.

GF and me stood up right when the lights went down. Heard "sit down in front!" We weren't assholes or anything like that, we obliged obviously. Didn't make for a fun concert experience however. This was at Hollywood Bowl in case anyone's wondering.

[implanted_microchip]

I vividly remember watching somebody sitting on their phone looking at Facebook in the row in front of me during March of the Pigs on that Soundgarden tour. I was astounded.

NIN doesn't do the type of show that suits seats unless if it's something like those Bridge School shows but those are pretty atypical and unique things -- if we had a largely acoustic/orchestral tour (which I'd love) it'd have every reason to be in a seated theatre environment, but for the most part if we're talking the typical arrangement and presentation of this band then seats are mostly an impediment to the overall experience. I never want shitty hot summer plastic kicking into the backs of my legs during Somewhat Damaged again.

[sheepdean]

I get that perspective but there's a lot of disabled or physically restricted NIN fans who don't want to be miles from the stage either - I've seen NIN seated and standing, all are awesome. Seated was O2 Arena in 09, it's mixed seating and GA for that kinda show

[implanted_microchip]

Obviously I'm all for reserved seating for people who can't stand but hate it when shows have no proper GA section -- that Soundgarden tour was filled with shows where the GA was a seated area and it was a shame. I remember missing the pit for Tension and promising myself I'd be in it for their next tour, and then there wasn't one. It was lame.

[Krazy]

Last week was the first "rock" show I attended where a vast majority of the seated sections had people actually sitting in their seats. Understood about the handicapped rows, and you'll get some people who aren't into it or just want to sit down but that's fairly random in my experiences.

Saw Alice Cooper in WV a couple weeks ago in a seated theatre, everyone I saw was standing for that one.

We're getting old!

[sick among the pure]

Obviously I'm all for reserved seating for people who can't stand but hate it when shows have no proper GA section -- that Soundgarden tour was filled with shows where the GA was a seated area and it was a shame. I remember missing the pit for Tension and promising myself I'd be in it for their next tour, and then there wasn't one. It was lame.

I remember how PISSED everyone was when the wording for the NJ show implied there would be a normal open GA pit and we were assigned random seats. Like, doesn't matter if you got pre-sale or one of the special sales or normal ticketmaster or bought tickets at the venue, all the GA was seats and our tickets were randomly assigned (there were even people who bought a few together and were not seated together).
I really hope no proper NIN tour is ever full seated GA ever again, that was a really sucky experience.

[sheepdean]

GA seating is the worst thing (though one of my favourite London venues has it)
Idk, not everyone wants a pit, not everyone wants to stand for 4 hours+, and as the band sneaks up on the 30th anniversary I wonder how many fans might actually prefer a little rest

[nooneimportant]

I'm a guy who likes to sit during live shows and just experience things. I can rock out just as much seating as I can standing so it makes no difference to me. I'm not a fan of moshing but I totally understand the need to just run around like an uncaged beast during March of the Pigs.

[Deepvoid]

I bought tickets in seating section for my last couple shows in Montreal. Everyone was standing as well although the people behind me asked me to sit down during A Warm Place. I politely told them to fuck off.

[Prettybrokenspiral]

This is pretty amazing, considering..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Jufq1q348