Random NIN Thoughts

[katara]

newsflash:
there is nothing in the NIN canon that is "purely" Reznor. every single project he's done he's had help from people, whether Vrenna, Flood, Moulder, Ross, or any number of other collaborators. He's an auteur who brings all of this stuff together to his vision.
Pretty sure Reznor has nothing to do with NIN. He's just a puppet for us to worship. Josh Wink is the one really pulling the strings.

[r_z]

Still trying to wrap my head around those Clouser postings. Trent comes off as a real jerk.

[mfte]

Still trying to wrap my head around those Clouser postings. Trent comes off as a real jerk.


Pobody's Nerfect.

[WorzelG]

Still trying to wrap my head around those Clouser postings. Trent comes off as a real jerk.
Maybe Chris Vrenna should have taken Trent to an employment tribunal - he wouldn't let me play Doom!

[Khrz]

Still trying to wrap my head around those Clouser postings. Trent comes off as a real jerk.

Probably was, I wouldn't consider him a saint now either. But remember that this is a conversation happening between people who don't see each other eye to eye anymore, and who have spent difficult years together. Bad blood is bound to happen.
The fact that Atticus remained in NIN after all this time probably means that either Reznor has improved his communication skills, or that he found somebody who is more accepting of the mercenary nature of the job...

[mfte]

I recently read some NIN book by some guy that had quote's from TVTs Stebe Gottlieb. According to him TVT never treated NIN un fairly and even went as far as saying that they provided him with a lot of effort while marketing PHM. He said that he never owed Trent money and when an audit was done it turned out that TVT had over paid him. He also mentioned that meeting with Trent were very rare and that everything went through John A Malm who Gottlieb thought was manipulating the situation. Interesting int he context of what would happen later on.

Perhaps it was management that was responsible for what people like Vrenna got paid without much of Trent knowledge.

[r_z]

Probably was, I wouldn't consider him a saint now either. But remember that this is a conversation happening between people who don't see each other eye to eye anymore, and who have spent difficult years together. Bad blood is bound to happen.
The fact that Atticus remained in NIN after all this time probably means that either Reznor has improved his communication skills, or that he found somebody who is more accepting of the mercenary nature of the job...

Sure. Still, reading those posts makes you feel like a fly on the wall back then....

[pwing47]

I listened to "Just Like You Imagined" for the first time in a long time yesterday and holy CRAP is that song amazing. Like, I don't remember ever liking it that much but now I love it.

I am also kind of shocked by the fact that it's been 15 years but that album is STILL growing on me. It wasn't until last year that I finally came around on "No, You Don't" (a song I now love) and it wasn't until the last couple of years that I have really started to appreciate it. I always liked it, but now it's one of my favorite albums. I don't know how it took so long.

Ever since my first listen, after which I was only really crazy about a handful of tracks, the "gaps," so to speak, have mostly been filled in over time. ILFTJYF and Ripe are probably the only ones that I've never fully connected with. Though it's not uncommon for this to happen with me and albums, I think The Fragile's slow growth is particularly noteworthy, given the amount of tracks and the enormity of the album.

JLYI is in IMO the best example of the album's insane amount of layers and meticulous detail that went into it. Even 10-12 years after first hearing it, there are new things that every now and then pop out to surprise me.

This is why I think it's so important that a 5.1 version sees the light of day: when the channels get separated, there will be things buried deep that will be slightly easier to pick out and will give just a little bit different take on the album. With Teeth's 5.1 had a few of those moments for me, and I think TF's sonic complexity far surpasses that.

[skullboy0]

Anyone else think this space looks similar to the NIN2013 rehearsal space? Especially the black shape hanging on the wall?
http://instagram.com/p/yqXaICNuGd/


There is a definite resemblance, but if I had to guess his "Back at it, folks. If only just for a minute." caption would refer to rehearsing for Beck's appearance at The Grammys.

http://www.avclub.com/article/beck-sam-smith-elo-join-years-grammy-performers-214782?

[Henrie_Schnee]

Watching "Der Untergang" again. The movie with the "Hitler learns that..." scene, you know?
Check it out and mark my words: ONE DAY I will re-cut this whole movie into one long, sick, twisted music fanvideo for "Mr. Self-Destruct" :rolleyes:

[billpulsipher]

Still trying to wrap my head around those Clouser postings. Trent comes off as a real jerk.

I thought Clouser is the one who came off as the jerk....45 year old white guy who was trying to talk like he was Ol Dirty Bastard.....I couldnt comprehend what he was saying after 1 paragraph...... "YO Dawg TrEnT Like why be taken all mah HUSTLE afta I dun put up wid UUu 4 yearZ n Yer countleSSSS AtiTude problms hmmmmmm did u mentshion THAT in ur 12 Step Recovry dawggggggg"

[sweeterthan]

Never forget http://ninfrance.free.fr/textes/articles/060322JeromeCharlieVsTrent/tacos4sales.jpg

[FernandoDante]

Anyone else think this space looks similar to the NIN2013 rehearsal space? Especially the black shape hanging on the wall?
http://instagram.com/p/yqXaICNuGd/
Holy shit you're right.

http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Robin-Finck-Rejoins-Nine-Inch-Nails.jpg

http://36.media.tumblr.com/50348b024056a256369b8a0ca4996e97/tumblr_mmyab2Fnwy1s726nxo2_1280.jpg

https://ninblogs.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/tumblr_mom72nvfd51s726nxo1_1280.jpg

Either rehearsal spaces are all too similar these days, or JMJ is in the same place. But I guess NIN don't own it, right?

[Krazy]

Either rehearsal spaces are all too similar these days, or JMJ is in the same place. But I guess NIN don't own it, right?

I doubt it- I remember them rehearsing next to Britney Spears. 2008, or 2009? The post or Tweet was something like "We can hear Britney's low end".

http://www.celebuzz.com/trent-reznor-britney-share-beautiful-s85371/

can hear the thumping low end of Britney Spears," Reznor said. "It's been a treat having them here the whole time we've been here."

[Halo Infinity]

Never forget http://ninfrance.free.fr/textes/articles/060322JeromeCharlieVsTrent/tacos4sales.jpg
I like how it actually mentions tacos because The Downward Spiral's album cover actually reminded me of tacos, burritos and tortilla chips. And well, thanks to Closure, Tostitos also comes to mind.

I also liked how Meathead pointed that out in this article as well.

http://www.theninhotline.net/meatpers/html/mp000517b.htm

[Krazy]

Me thinks Kris needs to stop frequenting the Mexican restaurants he.... uhmm, frequents. o_O

[kel]

I doubt it- I remember them rehearsing next to Britney Spears. 2008, or 2009? The post or Tweet was something like "We can hear Britney's low end".

http://www.celebuzz.com/trent-reznor-britney-share-beautiful-s85371/

can hear the thumping low end of Britney Spears," Reznor said. "It's been a treat having them here the whole time we've been here."
trent remixing 'circus'is TOTALLY a wet dream. and i saw a show on that tour. it was the tits.

[Edo]

Watching "Der Untergang" again. The movie with the "Hitler learns that..." scene, you know?
Check it out and mark my words: ONE DAY I will re-cut this whole movie into one long, sick, twisted music fanvideo for "Mr. Self-Destruct" :rolleyes:

Please do that. :D

[fillow]

Just do a version of 'Hitler finds out there's still no The Fragile Deluxe'.

[katara]

Still trying to wrap my head around those Clouser postings. Trent comes off as a real jerk.
We don't know the full story. Clouser might be the arsehole. For all we know, he could have made the whole thing up. Or it might have been someone posing as him messing with us.
Regardless, the work he did with NIN was excellent and his remixes are insanely good.

[Khrz]

For all we know, he could have made the whole thing up. Or it might have been someone posing as him messing with us.

I see what you're saying, and I might be wrong obviously but I find both hypotheses unlikely. The accounts are too detailed and his description of Reznor's behavior is consistent with other sources and instances. That doesn't mean the story isn't way more complicated than it appears, and judging any party on the basis of forum posts would be ridiculous, especially after all this time.

[fillow]

I think one of ETS admins back in the day confirmed his authenticity.

[GibbonBlack]

I can't find the link, can someone help me out?

[allegro]

Probably was, I wouldn't consider him a saint now either. But remember that this is a conversation happening between people who don't see each other eye to eye anymore, and who have spent difficult years together. Bad blood is bound to happen.
The fact that Atticus remained in NIN after all this time probably means that either Reznor has improved his communication skills
Or fired his manager and quit drinking and doing drugs and being an immature asshole.


I can't find the link, can someone help me out?
No, it was on the old dead board. Trust us, it was really him. We were there. They traced an IP address, there was other evidence, people were PMing him, etc.

The biggest issue at the time was Jerome and the source of his illness, "suddenly" getting sick on the brink of a huge arena tour (the implication was that Jerome knew all along and ignored it, drank booze, abused himself and didn't tell anyone so he was a tour liability), leaving TR to scramble for a drummer, then people were bitching on here and on NIN.com about how TR looked to have left Jerome by the side of a tour bus after he got out of the hospital and hired another drummer, then Jerome's later nasty comments about TR, then TR vented about Jerome (and deleted some of his own nasty comments), then Charlie showed up to kind of, I dunno, counsel Jerome to stfu? In a humorous way? Hence that whole AAVE (ebonics) thing, giving it more levity? (there's probably more inside story to that, too, but we shouldn't get into it)

Like Khrz said, it all read like years of bad blood being aired (TR's comments, Charlie's honest stories some of which we KNOW are true). Like a soap opera. Charlie ADMITTED that he was doing other work on TR's dime and it was bad, and that he should have quit instead of getting paid by TR to do work for other people and sort of understood why TR got pissed and threw his gear into the dumpster (message: being ripped off don't go over lightly). But I sincerely doubt the Tapeworm failure was all TRs fault. And Malm redirecting calls sure as shit wasn't.

[sweeterthan]

The clouser ets postings are my top favorite ets memory. It was honest and unnerving and none of my business.

[Khrz]

While on the other hand, being called cunts by Trent had a nice personal ring to it !

[allegro]

While on the other hand, being called cunts by Trent had a nice personal ring to it !
Could be worse, you could be called the musical janitor (http://archives.echoingthesound.org/topics/5694/index.html).

[Deepvoid]

So with the Gone Girl cycle coming to an end this Sunday at the Grammys (last major nomination for the soundtrack), what's next and how long until we have official news from the NIN camp on the next project or anything for that matter?

What's the longest time period we've been without a single news? I'm assuming it's between the TDS and TF cycle.

[WorzelG]

So with the Gone Girl cycle coming to an end this Sunday at the Grammys (last major nomination for the soundtrack), what's next and how long until we have official news from the NIN camp on the next project or anything for that matter?

What's the longest time period we've been without a single news? I'm assuming it's between the TDS and TF cycle.
surely the time between TF and With Teeth was longer?

[WorzelG]

Could be worse, you could be called the musical janitor (http://archives.echoingthesound.org/topics/5694/index.html).
I just LOLd at Leviathant's comments re teitan - I'm assuming he didn't know who it was then? That's hilarious
"And it appears ∅ comes here almost exclusively to bash Chris Vrenna. Look at his post history... someone's got beef! Hell, he even logs in as broken soul to add to the Vrenna bashing. Issues?"

[Halo Infinity]

Me thinks @Kris (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=244) needs to stop frequenting the Mexican restaurants he.... uhmm, frequents. o_O
I can admit that I actually think about food a lot more than I should to that point that such thoughts sometimes ended up in my random NIN thoughts. I also brought it up before in this post. :p

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/139-Random-NIN-Thoughts?p=229293#post229293

And I've thought about it before at the time, but was reminded about it again through this post as well.

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/139-Random-NIN-Thoughts?p=229210#post229210

[skullboy0]

Either rehearsal spaces are all too similar these days, or JMJ is in the same place. But I guess NIN don't own it, right?


"The actual pods from Spinal Tap are in the hallway at @nineinchnails rehearsals. Not sure why. They smell terrible."


https://twitter.com/rob_sheridan/status/332985597784387584

[FernandoDante]

I can't find the link, can someone help me out?
http://russizm.blogspot.ca/2006/03/nine-inch-nails-members-feud-on.html

[Deepvoid]

surely the time between TF and With Teeth was longer?

We did get AATCHB in 2002. Then nothing until 2005 when THTF was released. Guess you're right.
Between TDS and TF, there was Closure in 95 anf TPD in 97.

[screwdriver]

no, it was on the old dead board. Trust us, it was really him. We were there. They traced an ip address, there was other evidence, people were pming him, etc.


tacos 4 sale

[allegro]

tacos 4 sale
hahaha yeah exactly (http://archives.echoingthesound.org/topics/16576/index.html)

http://ninfrance.free.fr/textes/articles/060322JeromeCharlieVsTrent/tacos4sales.jpg

(courtesy of ninfrance (http://ninfrance.free.fr/textes/articles/060322JeromeCharlieVsTrent/gindex.htm))

[screwdriver]

hahaha yeah exactly (http://archives.echoingthesound.org/topics/16576/index.html)

http://ninfrance.free.fr/textes/articles/060322JeromeCharlieVsTrent/tacos4sales.jpg

(courtesy of ninfrance (http://ninfrance.free.fr/textes/articles/060322JeromeCharlieVsTrent/gindex.htm))

one of the most entertaining nights of my life, dumblucking into being on the board at the right time...

They all came across like petty assholes -- or, more accurately, "humans." As a petty asshole myself, it was great to see behind the curtain a bit.

[elevenism]

In the history of ETS, this is what is known as "drift" and in the old days, discussions like this could get you a "warning bar" and then you'd get the dreaded "flood control." i beg to differ. A member posted a random NIN story. That story inspired me to have random NIN thoughts, about the story as it relates to NIN. I'm pretty damn sure that I was in the right thread. Why you breaking my balls? I wouldn't have said anything if the story was about nirvana or acdc. It was a random nin thought.

[implanted_microchip]

Of all the Dragon Tattoo score material the number one song I wish they'd done live these past couple years is She Reminds Me of You. The droning guitar in it would've sounded mind-blowing with Robin doing it; his general style and guitar tone would've been perfect.

I'm jealous in general of everyone who got to see Hand Covers Bruise and/or What If We Could? live.

[sheepdean]

Of all the Dragon Tattoo score material the number one song I wish they'd done live these past couple years is She Reminds Me of You. The droning guitar in it would've sounded mind-blowing with Robin doing it; his general style and guitar tone would've been perfect.

I'm jealous in general of everyone who got to see Hand Covers Bruise and/or What If We Could? live.
I would not be opposed to an evening of TR+AR doing selection from Ghosts and their scores

[implanted_microchip]

I would not be opposed to an evening of TR+AR doing selection from Ghosts and their scores

If they did a performance with a full orchestra of their score work, filmed and released it I'd probably never complain about The Fragile Reissue again.

[sheepdean]

If they did a performance with a full orchestra of their score work, filmed and released it I'd probably never complain about The Fragile Reissue again.
I'm screenshotting that just in case

[elevenism]

You pondered the STATE OF MIND or REASONING of THAT girl. That's a random psycho thought or a random nut thought or something that should maybe be in the mental health thread? Do whatever you want, Mr Sensitive, I'm not a mod. I'm just telling you about The Old Days (and that Matt locked her thread which should have been a hint to "move along" right there).OK, OK, you're probably right. The whole thing just fascinated me. And although you're not a mod, i certainly trust your judgement. I'll leave it alone. Now for a random nin thought. I think there is a surprise nin release right around the corner.

[Shnoorum]

OK, OK, you're probably right. The whole thing just fascinated me. And although you're not a mod, i certainly trust your judgement. I'll leave it alone. Now for a random nin thought. I think there is a surprise nin release right around the corner.

That's a damn good random thought. Although I'm sure you meant "soon" rather than around the corner.

Now for mine I suppose. Trent and/or Atticus would do an amazing job doing the sound design for the next Silent Hill game. Is sound design the correct term? In other words, I dun think they'd go make good noises for them Silent Hills

[implanted_microchip]

That's a damn good random thought. Although I'm sure you meant "soon" rather than around the corner.

Now for mine I suppose. Trent and/or Atticus would do an amazing job doing the sound design for the next Silent Hill game. Is sound design the correct term? In other words, I dun think they'd go make good noises for them Silent Hills

I've wanted Trent to get involved in Silent Hill for a while now. Akira Yamaoka has openly listed NIN as one of the biggest influences on his score, and the hidden Ghosts track that wasn't the Demon Seed demo seemed to be straight out of SH. In general Trent doing anything horror-related would be great.
elevenism I'm kind of surprised Trent's not released any EPs digitally and has continued to focus so much on album cycles. Considering his constant recording and involvement in different things, I'd figure he'd be all for releasing a set of 4-6 songs with maybe a vinyl release as well for NIN. Broken being the only EP (and please let's not start debating whether it is or not, I'm talking just in the general sense) has always surprised me. Maybe the greatest hits release is going to come out this year? He openly said on Instagram he's making new music, maybe it's a couple of bonus tracks like how Satellite and Everything were meant as bonus tracks to make it a worthwhile release for collectors/hardcore fans rather than a typical "best of" release.

[sheepdean]

@elevenism (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475) I'm kind of surprised Trent's not released any EPs digitally and has continued to focus so much on album cycles. Considering his constant recording and involvement in different things, I'd figure he'd be all for releasing a set of 4-6 songs with maybe a vinyl release as well for NIN. Broken being the only EP (and please let's not start debating whether it is or not, I'm talking just in the general sense) has always surprised me. Maybe the greatest hits release is going to come out this year? He openly said on Instagram he's making new music, maybe it's a couple of bonus tracks like how Satellite and Everything were meant as bonus tracks to make it a worthwhile release for collectors/hardcore fans rather than a typical "best of" release.
Trent makes albums. It's not just like some artists who churn out unrelated songs and music, he builds up a sound/idea over an LP. Yeah he could probably do an EP every now and then instead (and doing the odd Still-esque release would be great), but putting out a NIN EP every year means you'd end up with a lot of music and not a lot of NIN.


Also, fuck digital only releases, and any format exclusive releases.

[elevenism]

If the next nin record is another ghosts collection, I hope that the approach is different. I think the enormous potential was weakened by the two week, everything stays method. BTW allegro , i wasn't being sensitive, i was half heartedly arguing a point that I kinda knew I was wrong about. But I AM thinking of changing my custom title to Mr sensitive

[elevenism]

If the next nin record is another ghosts collection, I hope that the approach is different. I think the enormous potential was weakened by the two week, everything stays method. BTW allegro , i wasn't being sensitive, i was half heartedly arguing a point that I kinda knew I was wrong about. But I AM thinking of changing my custom title to Mr sensitive

[implanted_microchip]

Trent makes albums. It's not just like some artists who churn out unrelated songs and music, he builds up a sound/idea over an LP. Yeah he could probably do an EP every now and then instead (and doing the odd Still-esque release would be great), but putting out a NIN EP every year means you'd end up with a lot of music and not a lot of NIN.


Also, fuck digital only releases, and any format exclusive releases.

I almost entirely agree, it's still surprising to me though. Considering the two HTDA EPs (and I get An Omen was meant as a teaser/appetizer for Welcome Oblivion to make up for the wait time) he's certainly not against the concept. I way prefer NIN as an album band, no question, but then again something the length of Broken is more than fine by me.

I take it you hated that An Omen was only digital/vinyl?

[sheepdean]

I almost entirely agree, it's still surprising to me though. Considering the two HTDA EPs (and I get An Omen was meant as a teaser/appetizer for Welcome Oblivion to make up for the wait time) he's certainly not against the concept. I way prefer NIN as an album band, no question, but then again something the length of Broken is more than fine by me.

I take it you hated that An Omen was only digital/vinyl?
An Omen was totally a sampler - only 2 original tracks after all. And he uses the concept with the Seed releases, which of course are so easy to get now they're no longer hosted #sarcasim

Digital/vinyl I'm ~OK~ with, as CD is a dying medium etc, but there's still a lot of CD users - but it's still not great. Digital only is just crap, it limits the people who can hear it (not everyone has great bandwidth/DL cap, not everyone is in a country that can download etc); it lowers the value of the music by just churning out digital files; it's rarely offered in high quality; it means people who actually want to support a record store, or who can't download due to not having a card have to pirate or not have it; it devalues the album art to a jpeg; it creates false rarity when tracks go offline; it often promotes a sole retailer (Beats, Spotify, iTunes, Amazon exclusives etc). Yes, if you're a small band, or just putting out some acoustic versions you made last week for some quick cash, digital is fine. If you can afford it, and/or are making proper music, put it on something tangible.



Can you tell I don't like digital music?

[bgalbraith]

Also, fuck digital only releases, and any format exclusive releases.

How about remix EPs that are only released via a specific subscription-based streaming music service?

[sheepdean]

How about remix EPs that are only released via a specific subscription-based streaming music service?
Fuck those especially

[implanted_microchip]

An Omen was totally a sampler - only 2 original tracks after all. And he uses the concept with the Seed releases, which of course are so easy to get now they're no longer hosted #sarcasim

Digital/vinyl I'm ~OK~ with, as CD is a dying medium etc, but there's still a lot of CD users - but it's still not great. Digital only is just crap, it limits the people who can hear it (not everyone has great bandwidth/DL cap, not everyone is in a country that can download etc); it lowers the value of the music by just churning out digital files; it's rarely offered in high quality; it means people who actually want to support a record store, or who can't download due to not having a card have to pirate or not have it; it devalues the album art to a jpeg; it creates false rarity when tracks go offline; it often promotes a sole retailer (Beats, Spotify, iTunes, Amazon exclusives etc). Yes, if you're a small band, or just putting out some acoustic versions you made last week for some quick cash, digital is fine. If you can afford it, and/or are making proper music, put it on something tangible.



Can you tell I don't like digital music?


Oh I definitely agree with you, no contest. I love physically collecting things, and I couldn't stand not having actual album art. The amount of CDs and records now that have hardly no artwork beyond the front and back cover is incredibly irritating; Hesitation Marks was fantastic for artwork.

I hate that I pretty much have no way of getting most of the seeds since they're dead. I really wanted the one with Not So Pretty Now and Non-Entity, but can't find it anywhere where it'll actually download. I don't see why they're not all officially hosted on the main NIN site.

[BenAkenobi]

... Hesitation Marks was fantastic for artwork...

Only if we speak of Deluxe CD or 12" version, if i might add.

[implanted_microchip]

Only if we speak of Deluxe CD or 12" version, if i might add.
I loved how much artwork there was across all things. The single covers, the artwork promo teaser, the deluxe CD, alternate cover art, the vinyl insert and sleeves and gatefold; Russell Mills made a ton of gorgeous work for it and I'm happy so much got released.

[sheepdean]

Only if we speak of Deluxe CD or 12" version, if i might add.
Even if you don't like the artwork, the fact we have such a large scope of it across the formats was nice. And the impending £5000 book

[BenAkenobi]

Even if you don't like the artwork
I didn't like the word "fantastic" in that context, and felt obliged to limit its usage where it belongs. Liked the CD design in standard edition, though.

[theruiner]

ILFTJYF and Ripe are probably the only ones that I've never fully connected with. I love "Ripe (With Decay)" but I can see why someone wouldn't. It took awhile to grow on me. ILFTJYF is ok, one of my least favorites from the album, but the second half of that song (after the drums really kick in) is pretty fantastic.

[EndlessLoveless]

The song that took awhile to grow on me was My Violent Heart. First song to tease Year Zero and it did not click with me. I liked Me, Im Not and Survivalism but something about MVH turned me off. Then one day about a year ago it came on and blew me away! The chorus and outro being the highlights for me. Its amazing how that works, not liking something, and then one day it totally clicks. Its not like i heard it and never listened to it again till a year ago. I tried to like it and failed. Its weird how time and hindsight/perspective, and where you are at in your life can completely affect a song you have heard countless times over many years.

On the opposite side i always LOVED You Know What You Are. It was a song that told me NIN was still NIN. Still aggressive and loud even though TR was older and wiser. It was almost a return to Broken for me. Now listening to it, it has lost some of its luster. Now its TOO loud and in your face. I dont hate it but i dont specifically search it out to put it on. MVH i do though now. Its like a new song to me.

[bgalbraith]

Once again someone on reddit discovers something about the Johnny Cash / NIN "Hurt" connection. NIN's first webmaster shows up. Worth it for the top rated comment thread. http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2uzieg/til_after_thinking_johhny_cash_covering_his_song/

[m15a]

An Omen was totally a sampler - only 2 original tracks after all. And he uses the concept with the Seed releases, which of course are so easy to get now they're no longer hosted #sarcasim

Digital/vinyl I'm ~OK~ with, as CD is a dying medium etc, but there's still a lot of CD users - but it's still not great. Digital only is just crap, it limits the people who can hear it (not everyone has great bandwidth/DL cap, not everyone is in a country that can download etc); it lowers the value of the music by just churning out digital files; it's rarely offered in high quality; it means people who actually want to support a record store, or who can't download due to not having a card have to pirate or not have it; it devalues the album art to a jpeg; it creates false rarity when tracks go offline; it often promotes a sole retailer (Beats, Spotify, iTunes, Amazon exclusives etc). Yes, if you're a small band, or just putting out some acoustic versions you made last week for some quick cash, digital is fine. If you can afford it, and/or are making proper music, put it on something tangible.

Can you tell I don't like digital music?

I can understand why you'd want there to be options, and if you're talking specifically about Trent putting something up only on Beats - yeah, that's obnoxious.

But a lot of those arguments against digital (download or streaming) music can be applied to other media in some cases. CDs and definitely vinyl can create a much bigger issue with rarity. They can be very hard to get for some (they don't have a record store near them, or the right record store, or they don't live in the country where the album is produced), leading people to pirate. CDs can also promote one seller, like Target exclusive tracks. Digital files might only be available at low quality, but they are often available at higher quality than audio CD.

For a small band that can just afford to make physical releases, you're talking about a few CDs or cassette tapes sold at concerts or to friends or maybe 50 or so for sale on Bandcamp. It can definitely be a seller-exclusive rarity with low quality sound and artwork that is just churned out on a CD burner and copy machine.

[pwing47]

The song that took awhile to grow on me was My Violent Heart. First song to tease Year Zero and it did not click with me. I liked Me, Im Not and Survivalism but something about MVH turned me off. Then one day about a year ago it came on and blew me away!

For sure. I discovered awhile ago that listening to the instrumental versions of YZ and The Slip helped me to appreciate some of those tracks better, too. Notably (for me at least) MVH, MIN, Head Down, and Letting You. I guess hearing them without the vocals made me notice and appreciate some of the nuances, and that appreciation stuck around once I went back to the normal versions w/ vocals.

[katara]

Between TDS and TF, there was Closure in 95 anf TPD in 97.
And:
the Closer maxi-single
Further Down The Spiral
Quake soundtrack
Lost Highway (+ The Perfect Drug)
Natural Born Killers
Dead Souls from The Crow
Remixes for Puff Daddy, N.E.R.D., David Bowie, Marilyn Manson, and probably others. He was also producing MM at that time, I think.
Oh, and some of the biggest tours thus far, notably Woodstock and the Dissonance tour with Bowie.

So yeah, that was an amazing time to be a NIN fan despite the five year wait between albums.

Edit: forgot Tapeworm

[Louie_Cypher]

amusing...kinda.. http://laughingsquid.com/a-mashup-combining-shake-it-off-by-taylor-swift-with-the-perfect-drug-by-nine-inch-nails/

-Louie

[sheepdean]

I can understand why you'd want there to be options, and if you're talking specifically about Trent putting something up only on Beats - yeah, that's obnoxious.

But a lot of those arguments against digital (download or streaming) music can be applied to other media in some cases. CDs and definitely vinyl can create a much bigger issue with rarity. They can be very hard to get for some (they don't have a record store near them, or the right record store, or they don't live in the country where the album is produced), leading people to pirate. CDs can also promote one seller, like Target exclusive tracks. Digital files might only be available at low quality, but they are often available at higher quality than audio CD.

For a small band that can just afford to make physical releases, you're talking about a few CDs or cassette tapes sold at concerts or to friends or maybe 50 or so for sale on Bandcamp. It can definitely be a seller-exclusive rarity with low quality sound and artwork that is just churned out on a CD burner and copy machine.
I agree that any one format has issues - which is why my argument really is against format exclusivity. As much as I love, say, Record Store Day and Cassette Store Day, the fact that most of these are exclusives is a real pisstake. Release in the widest means you are able, and never give PLATFORM exclusivity even if you are bound to FORMAT exclusivity due to funding issues.

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

For sure. I discovered awhile ago that listening to the instrumental versions of YZ and The Slip helped me to appreciate some of those tracks better, too.
Woo — there was an instrumental TS that I missed somehow?

[fillow]

Woo — there was an instrumental TS that I missed somehow?
Multitracks were posted online by NIN team and fans used them to make instrumentals

[elevenism]

I wish that HM had a remix CD similar in scope to TFA or YZR.
The copious amount of remixing was one of my favorite things about NIN. I absolutely loved things like the MOTP single and FDTS, etc.

[dlb]

amusing...kinda.. http://laughingsquid.com/a-mashup-combining-shake-it-off-by-taylor-swift-with-the-perfect-drug-by-nine-inch-nails/

-Louie

I seriously don't want to know how many TS fans will come over the NIN board or go on Youtube/Spotify to listen to the perfect drug. On the other hand... would be curious to see if the listens for TPD increased by now on Youtube and the likes... :D

[sheepdean]

I seriously don't want to know how many TS fans will come over the NIN board or go on Youtube/Spotify to listen to the perfect drug. On the other hand... would be curious to see if the listens for TPD increased by now on Youtube and the likes... :D
What would be the downside of one of the biggest artists right now have a few thousand fans going over to the NIN camp?

[nooneimportant]

What would be the downside of one of the biggest artists right now have a few thousand fans going over to the NIN camp?

The downside is clueless younger people thinking Nine Inch Nails is a new, unheard of thing a la the Paul McCartney/Kanye West incident. Hell, Missy Elliott couldn't even avoid that when she appeared during the Super Bowl Hafltime Show. The bigger problem to this though is that it's a more common thing to have a misconception be known now since so many people use Social Media these days. Back in the day, if you never heard of someone, you couldn't post about it on the Internet for the world to see.

[sheepdean]

The downside is clueless younger people thinking Nine Inch Nails is a new, unheard of thing a la the Paul McCartney/Kanye West incident. Hell, Missy Elliott couldn't even avoid that when she appeared during the Super Bowl Hafltime Show. The bigger problem to this though is that it's a more common thing to have a misconception be known now since so many people use Social Media these days. Back in the day, if you never heard of someone, you couldn't post about it on the Internet for the world to see.
....so? You think it's bad that people might discover NIN for the first time and enjoy it, but under the impression it's new? Do you also think it's bad when people think Cash wrote Hurt, but they still love NIN's version?

"Clueless young people". As though NIN's fanbase isn't mostly teens or people who became fans in their teens.

[twilight explosion]

The downside is clueless younger people thinking Nine Inch Nails is a new, unheard of thing a la the Paul McCartney/Kanye West incident. Hell, Missy Elliott couldn't even avoid that when she appeared during the Super Bowl Hafltime Show. The bigger problem to this though is that it's a more common thing to have a misconception be known now since so many people use Social Media these days. Back in the day, if you never heard of someone, you couldn't post about it on the Internet for the world to see.

I have come out of ets retirement for this.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3ujqoc6Rzuw/maxresdefault.jpg

[niggo]

So, nin.com seems to be down right now? Or is it just my shitty internet?

[sheepdean]

So, nin.com seems to be down right now? Or is it just my shitty internet?
Works for me

[niggo]

Alright, shitty internet! Thanks!

[WorzelG]

I got into the Perfect Drug again after listening to that mash up, haven't listened in years and now I'm obsessed with the drum track from the song that someone put on YouTube

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAKuHwOCyDI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[WorzelG]

What would be the downside of one of the biggest artists right now have a few thousand fans going over to the NIN camp?
The problem would be if they came to the boards and were put off by the musical snobbery going on, the more people the merrier I say

[Khrz]

The problem would be if they came to the boards and were put off by the musical snobbery going on, the more people the merrier I say

I can't see what you're trying to say, but if these peasant come here and prefer the Aphrodite Mix when the single's NIN remix is vastly superior, I say release the hounds !

[elevenism]

yeah, all of this talk leads back to the "i was into them before they even EXISTED!" vibe, you know?

i got over that when i was about 14.

[sick among the pure]

The downside is clueless younger people thinking Nine Inch Nails is a new, unheard of thing a la the Paul McCartney/Kanye West incident. Hell, Missy Elliott couldn't even avoid that when she appeared during the Super Bowl Hafltime Show.


You need to change the batteries in your joke detector, because both of those instances were jokes. People didn't really think Paul or Missy were new artists.

[m15a]

The bigger problem to this though is that it's a more common thing to have a misconception be known now since so many people use Social Media these days. Back in the day, if you never heard of someone, you couldn't post about it on the Internet for the world to see.

That problem on social media is a problem with those doing the ridiculing, not those being ridiculed. Everyone has misconceptions, so, by itself, making a factual mistake on the internet is not a big deal. The problem arises when certain people act upon their desire to express superiority over some other group of people and pair that with their prejudices about that group. Then you get a bunch of those tweets saying "look at this stupid young person" (double points if they're female) that, for some reason, the internet media loves reporting on.

Speaking about misconceptions, not all Taylor Swift fans are young, and not all those young fans are clueless. I happen to be a pretty big Taylor Swift fan. I'm 33, so I don't think I qualify as a young person. But, also, I've been on the TS forum a lot, and there are fans that of all ages. I can think of a few people over 50 off the top of my head. Yes, there's a concentration of fans in the late teens/early 20s just like there's a concentration of NIN fans that are just about 15 years older. (And, hey! NIN has been releasing music for about 15 years longer than TS.)

As for being clueless, yeah, young people don't know about some older music but neither do most people. There's definitely a large number of TS fans that have become a lot more interested in music because of TS, and a lot are inspired to write music, learn to play an instrument/sing, or join a band. (Kind of how I was inspired by NIN to start writing music. Hmm...) As for general life cluelessness, talking to a lot younger TS fans, I learned that there are plenty of younger people that are smart, have different of (hard) life experiences, and even share a lot of the same interests. I would say that a lot of younger people somewhat lack perspective (meaning simply that they've experienced fewer things) and have a lot of questions - and that's why they're on social media, to interact with new people and learn more.

(Writing all this makes me realize how weird it is to call social media a new thing that young people do. I mean, I was on the SLS forum (and whatever the big MM fan forums were) almost 20 years ago. I guess I'm a young person, too.)

EDIT: Just did a search on the TS message board. 11 mentions of Nine Inch Nails (I wrote two of them) but no mention of the mashup. (Mostly people listening to NIN at the moment, saying NIN's one of their favorite groups, saying they went to or are going to a NIN concert.)

[nooneimportant]

Two things: I was born in 1990 and I fucked up my post.

I clearly didn't know what point I was trying to get across in the first place and now I look like a fool. Sorry if anyone got annoyed by what I posted but it was just a dumb rant. I don't have a problem with any fanbase or any newcomers to NIN and tried to come off with a clever response to @sheepdean (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=350) but failed.

I didn't want to be "that guy" but ultimately ended up that way.

[dlb]

Haha oh no! What has this turned into? :D

I myself didn't complain at all, but just thought it'd be funny for any Taylor Swift fan to engage NIN because of TPD and then finding stuff like broken and the downward spiral. The reactions are what interests me. If anybody is turned onto NIN because of the mash-up than that is a good thing actually.

Maybe that expensive as hell music video finally paid off for Trent. :D

[Ryan]

It's like when Sugababes sampled Are 'Friends' Electric? by Gary Numan and he got attention for that. Not a bad thing at all in my view.

[sweeterthan]

After so much hoopla, I listened to the mash up this morning. It's ok I guess. There's way more Trent than Taylor which of course makes it bearable.

I just don't get why anyone would think Taylor swift fans wouldn't enjoy nin. Music is so subjective and diversity and variety enriches us all. I listen to music from all genres and decades. I wouldn't want to box myself in.

[m15a]

I was born in 1990

Ha! Speaking of misconceptions. :)

FWIW, I wasn't annoyed with your post so much as I am just generally annoyed with the "young people are dumb now" thing. I guess people have been saying that sort of thing since forever, but anyway I think it's a serious problem (especially when you realize people that are supposed to be supporting young people like teachers and professors have that same attitude).

[Bookmark]

Found this live cover mash up of Big Data's "Dangerous" and Nine Inch Nails's "Only" by ÆGES today at youtube. Quite cool thing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAA9zgXr0I

Don't know if this has been already posted.

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

FWIW, I wasn't annoyed with your post so much as I am just generally annoyed with the "young people are dumb now" thing. I guess people have been saying that sort of thing since forever, but anyway I think it's a serious problem (especially when you realize people that are supposed to be supporting young people like teachers and professors have that same attitude).
Young people were always dumb.

[nooneimportant]

Young people were always dumb.

No kidding. It's basically a rite of passage.

There was a point in either 1999 or 2000 where I thought Limp Bizkit was one of the best bands ever. What the fuck was wrong with me?

[Charmingly Miserable]

I think it's kinda cool that the NIN family still continues to support each other. Case in point: Justin MJ posted a pic on IG where he credited Ally on helping him with a synth. Also, Josh posted a pic of Ally playing bass.

[EndlessLoveless]

God everytime ive ever heard that big data song i think "holy shit this is a ripoff of 'only' without the good chorus!"

[bgalbraith]

modlife is dead! Long live Firebrand Live!

store.nin.com has been updated and now looks to be run by these people: http://firebrandlive.com/
As part of this, however, it looks like most of the merchandise is gone and, more troubling, existing accounts are currently unavailable. Hopefully they will be transitioned and this was just someone flipping a switch early.

[WorzelG]

modlife is dead! Long live Firebrand Live!

store.nin.com has been updated and now looks to be run by these people: http://firebrandlive.com/
As part of this, however, it looks like most of the merchandise is gone and, more troubling, existing accounts are currently unavailable. Hopefully they will be transitioned and this was just someone flipping a switch early.
Fingers crossed they're gearing up for a new release. I hope this means they've been actually paying attention to the problems people have had

[sheepdean]

modlife is dead! Long live Firebrand Live!

store.nin.com has been updated and now looks to be run by these people: http://firebrandlive.com/
As part of this, however, it looks like most of the merchandise is gone and, more troubling, existing accounts are currently unavailable. Hopefully they will be transitioned and this was just someone flipping a switch early.
Holy fuck I need that TDS tee, why does the product page not work :(

[bgalbraith]

I contacted customer support and it turns out the modlife accounts will *not* be carried over, so you will have to create a new store account. If you do want to download something you had associated in your old account, you will have to forward your receipt to them and then they will provide you with a way to get the content.

[eversonpoe]

i know it's a white version of the "love kills" tee, but seeing the words
White Love Killsis pretty funny

[GlitchyFlame]

While it's not nearly as cool as @BRoswell (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/members/219-BRoswell)'s Into the Void + Slipping Away ending, I edited the NIN mix of TPD to be shorter and cut most of the repetitive bits.
https://www.mediafire.com/?jdis7ulip76tm3q

[WorzelG]

I contacted customer support and it turns out the modlife accounts will *not* be carried over, so you will have to create a new store account. If you do want to download something you had associated in your old account, you will have to forward your receipt to them and then they will provide you with a way to get the content.
Thanks for finding that out, I still hadn't got around to downlloading the audiophile HM but I still have my receipt on my email under the Important folder

[Khrz]

While it's not nearly as cool as @BRoswell (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/members/219-BRoswell)'s Into the Void + Slipping Away ending, I edited the NIN mix of TPD to be shorter and cut most of the repetitive bits.
https://www.mediafire.com/?jdis7ulip76tm3q

but whyyyyyyyyyyyy

[mfte]

After watching Whiplash I wonder if that's what being in NIN is like.

*headlike a hole starts playing*
Trent stops the band

"no nope not quite my tempo"

[EndlessLoveless]

Holy fuck I need that TDS tee, why does the product page not work :(

Ordered. Worked for me. Ive wanted that shirt since i saw someone wearing it in like 1995 ish. Never have my size though. I finally feel complete.

I hope the back says "NIN nothing halo eight"

[EndlessLoveless]

I never know what size to order though. Is it going to be the newer fitted shirts or the older bigger shirts? There is a big difference, but i prefer the newer ones. They are softer but after one wash, they kind of shrink.

[Wolfkiller]

I wonder how many crazy fans cut off their ring finger and mailed it to Trent.

[sheepdean]

I wonder how many crazy fans cut off their ring finger and mailed it to Trent.
I really hope that that has never happened. Please don't make me google this

[WorzelG]

^^^after reading some stuff in the Marilyn Manson thread, if he covered ringfinger, I'm sure some would

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

modlife is dead! Long live Firebrand Live!

store.nin.com has been updated and now looks to be run by these people: http://firebrandlive.com/
Heh. Chrome is yelling "This sever could not prove that it is store.nin.com; its security certificate is from *.myshopify.com." Guess there's a few bugs to work out.

Judging by the prominent NIN logo on Firebrand's site, I gather this is not their first association with the band?

Meanwhile, on March 31 we get Ilan's Exhibit B and Alessandro's Forse 3. It must be Christmas. :D

[blassster]

Something dreamy about the "Gone, Still" video. The mood of the whole thing, the rain, that mysterious (to me) era of nin, etc. I revisit it almost every month.

[Wolfkiller]

I'm mildly upset it took listening to the Taylor Swift mash up to find out I had The Perfect Drug lyrics wrong AGAIN! Thought he was saying "... how very little good is left of me." I wonder how many other songs I've been fucking up my entire life! Mind blown.

[Ryan]

Something dreamy about the "Gone, Still" video. The mood of the whole thing, the rain, that mysterious (to me) era of nin, etc. I revisit it almost every month.

yeah I love it too, and prefer that take of the song to the version on Still.

[sheepdean]

I'm mildly upset it took listening to the Taylor Swift mash up to find out I had The Perfect Drug lyrics wrong AGAIN! Thought he was saying "... how very little good is left of me." I wonder how many other songs I've been fucking up my entire life! Mind blown.
www.nin.wiki helps with the lyrics :P

[eversonpoe]

www.nin.wiki (http://www.nin.wiki) helps with the lyrics :P

i had to go three different places (tried perfect drug versions because one version has the original song, tried the lost highway soundtrack because that's where it originally appeared, and then i finally went to the we're in this together single) before i found a clickable version of the song (and was thus able to get to the page with lyrics). that seems a bit silly, no?

[sheepdean]

i had to go three different places (tried perfect drug versions because one version has the original song, tried the lost highway soundtrack because that's where it originally appeared, and then i finally went to the we're in this together single) before i found a clickable version of the song (and was thus able to get to the page with lyrics). that seems a bit silly, no?
It tends to be that the wiki only has one link to a page, and it's not always the most sensible place. But there's a search bar!

[piggy]

i had to go three different places (tried perfect drug versions because one version has the original song, tried the lost highway soundtrack because that's where it originally appeared, and then i finally went to the we're in this together single) before i found a clickable version of the song (and was thus able to get to the page with lyrics). that seems a bit silly, no?
The link for the TPD song page is the first link on the TPD Versions page and the fifth link on the LH soundtrack page. Are you saying you visually scanned past the introductory text to the track listings to try to find them?

[eversonpoe]

The link for the TPD song page is the first link on the TPD Versions page and the fifth link on the LH soundtrack page. Are you saying you visually scanned past the introductory text to the track listings to try to find them?

oh, yes...i went down to the tracklists each time.

[gorast]

I remember people complaining about that, because, when thinking sensibly, a track list should have clickable links. I get the "one link for a thing" rule, but at least put them in the track list. It's really annoying.

...Should I mention that in the NINWiki thread? It's bothered me for years.

[katara]

I just spent about a day re-ripping every CD in my NIN collection into 320kbps mp3. Figured I may as well upgrade from 128kbps at some point.

[botley]

I just spent about a day re-ripping every CD in my NIN collection into 320kbps mp3. Figured I may as well upgrade from 128kbps at some point.
BUT DID YOU USE LAME 3.98.4 TO ENCODE THE MP3s?!? AND PROPERLY CONFIGURE EAC v1.0 TO RIP THE CDs FIRST???!!!

IF NOT, YOUR DAY WAS WASTED. TRY AGAIN.

[ethan829]

BUT DID YOU USE LAME 3.98.4 TO ENCODE THE MP3s?!? AND PROPERLY CONFIGURE EAC v1.0 TO RIP THE CDs FIRST???!!!

IF NOT, YOUR DAY WAS WASTED. TRY AGAIN.

http://i.imgur.com/j1kMh81.jpg

[FernandoDante]

I didn't see a BRMC thread, and I figured that what I was going to post had a relevance to NIN fans anyway, so:

Black Rebel Motorcycle Club announced the release of their new DVD, titled "Live In Paris". They announced it yesterday, February 17th. The concert happened last year, on Februray 24th. That means a year between performance and DVD announcement. The set itself will come out in May.


If memory serves me right, the last concert that NIN taped took place in August, right? Well, this is just another one of those "there's still hope" posts. I know Bill will come over here and shit all over it, but it's still too soon to dismiss this NIN DVD set as something that's not happening.

[EndlessLoveless]

Ordered. Worked for me. Ive wanted that shirt since i saw someone wearing it in like 1995 ish. Never have my size though. I finally feel complete.

I hope the back says "NIN nothing halo eight"

Shirt arrived today. Back is blank but i fucking love it.

[piggy]

oh, yes...i went down to the tracklists each time.

I remember people complaining about that, because, when thinking sensibly, a track list should have clickable links. I get the "one link for a thing" rule, but at least put them in the track list. It's really annoying.

...Should I mention that in the NINWiki thread? It's bothered me for years.
I went through a couple of years ago and fixed that issue on the major halos, but I've gone through and done some work on the other halos now.

[FULLMETAL]

Here's what is likely to be the first print promotion for PHM from the cover of Billboard magazine September 9, 1989:

http://i.imgur.com/leqLA6Jl.jpg

[nooneimportant]

Wow, I didn't think they experimented with glitch art until the With Teeth era.

[BenAkenobi]

that's no "glitch", that's paper 'n' scissors, you digital generation!!! http://dota2.ru/img/uploads/14/06/1014429.gif

[eversonpoe]

^ my wife loves that song. one of her college roommates would put it on every time before going out to a bar so as to pump himself up and get ready for his evening on the town. it's pretty great.

[Wolfkiller]

Showed my gf the Down In It video while getting unsober. She asked if Trent was Patrick Swayze. Wtf.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

I am blown away. I just decided to give Year Zero another listen after years of disregarding it. I was 17 when I last listened to the album, but at the time I didn't pay attention to sound the way I do now; no attention to room tones or reverbs, delays, eq, noise and ambience, drum sounds vs samples... I also was turned off by the political message in Year Zero because I felt that I knew nothing of politics or what was going on in the world. I felt I couldn't understand it. Plus Mr. Capital G was someone I never studied but everyone else just new he was an asshole. I was always like, hm, he is eh?

Now, after gone through the whole album, the sounds and the message, the amount of personality and style in the music; it's simply fascinating to me. Now I'm just fantasizing Trent in some movie or real life Apocalypse and I can just see him as this hardened street smart man trying to help people out in life or death situations; intimidating and angry on the outside but caring and helpful on the inside. I can just imagine the music as an epic anthem to the times.

Man, did I ever miss out I mean I'm 21 now and I started listening to NIN when I was 15. And that alternate reality game.... Holy shit man what the fuck was that all about?

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

I mean, I know Trent wanted people to "wake up!!!" lol. But that's all I know.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

Hey, am I the only person that thinks that NIN comes very close to music we hear in our dreams? What I mean is, the immense amount of subtlety in the sound, the variation, things sneaking up on you or sounds flashing and bouncing off of Trent's voice and moving around. Like shit I seriously feel like sometimes, NIN is just dreamy. lol. I mean just creamy. No, I mean just like a fantasty. Yeah, like a fantasy.

Maybe it's because sometimes I hear NIN in my dreams, and often the music is just full of mystery; changing and morphing in front of my eyes, but never in a way that I can completely follow and comprehend.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

One time I had this dream I was watching TV, and the screen goes totally white with noise, and I know it's like an MTV music video or something, and slowely, I begin to realize an image of Trent Reznor, face down on a pure white background; a large pool of blood beneath him. I believe the scene was accompanied by a drone of noise and such. That was a really kool dream. Who wants to hear more Trent Reznor dreams from me?

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

lol that's fuckin hilarious

[sheepdean]

One time I had this dream I was watching TV, and the screen goes totally white with noise, and I know it's like an MTV music video or something, and slowely, I begin to realize an image of Trent Reznor, face down on a pure white background; a large pool of blood beneath him. I believe the scene was accompanied by a drone of noise and such. That was a really kool dream. Who wants to hear more Trent Reznor dreams from me?
There's a thread for that already, go crazy http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/2868-Dreams-with-Trent-NIN-in-them

(also you can edit your posts so that you can put all of your things in one thread, rather than posting three times)

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

hahahaha but seriously. The amount of mystery and intrigue I felt... That was the kool part. Ooo, what is this? Wow, that's Trent? Oh, it's just a dream.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

Holy shit now way. Lol can't believe people are already talking about that.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

Very good Kris. Your thumbs encourage me.

[seasonsinthesky]

okay seriously you made 5 in a row and then 3? are you high, or do you just get off on annoying the adults?

[Halo Infinity]

Very good Kris. Your thumbs encourage me.
I just thought it was nice to see that you appreciate Year Zero a lot more now. It's also one of my most favorite albums that came out after The Fragile, and as I've also mentioned in the Nine Inch Nails dream thread, I've also had dreams of NIN as well. I've even dreamed a bit about being in Closure and And All That Could Have Been (Live).

It's also been a while since I've given Purest Feeling a proper listen, and I just love it, especially the way the drums and guitars build up on and off each other. I can't imagine having Purest Feeling not getting me sold and hooked on NIN should it have been my introduction to NIN. I also thought that this particular YouTube URL of Purest Feeling would've been worth sharing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPuVy65V1uQ

[GibbonBlack]

okay seriously you made 5 in a row and then 3?

I'm glad you said that, I thought someone had me blocked

[mfte]

I only just now realized that Atticus is English and speaks with an accent.

[Sarah K]

Meh. He deserves a break.

Also - The Swift mashup was AWESOME.

[sheepdean]

I only just now realized that Atticus is English and speaks with an accent.
He literally went to the same school as our prime minister, he is English as fuck

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

Thanks for sharing. I love the Purest Feeling stuff. Those were the days... Very different times for sure. Everything after that ends up getting people either understanding it or just thinking it's generic rock when it really is much more. When you see his old school origins, you can't deny them NIN. The dude's in their leather jackets, combat boots, and shaved heads, the tape machines, the samplers... mm... Not to mention Trents nickname which I'm not sure he uses anymore; T-Rez back in the late 80's and early 90's...

I'm actually going to post a video on my favorite Pretty Hate Machine and Purest Feeling synth patches. I spent a couple weekends sampling my favorite sounds from those early albums, and I also worked on trying to emulate those sounds with my own 80's synths.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

Sorry. I think I might be replying to the whole thread rather than directly underneath peoples posts. The thing is, I don't think I actually posted 5 in a row. I think a posted about 2 in a row, the attempted to reply to other peoples threads, but really my stuff just ended up showing under my own posts. I'm not very good with forums.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

Who mastered this anyway?

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

I'm not high to answer your question, I'm just so happy and excited to be around you guys. You guys understand and appreciate these topics. YOU guys get me off.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

Your dreams sound interesting. I haven't read your exact dream thread though but if I'm right, (Closure and ATCHB) were filmed tours? Were you engaged in the dream as a dream character, or observing the events like a third person ghost?

[sheepdean]

Sorry. I think I might be replying to the whole thread rather than directly underneath peoples posts. The thing is, I don't think I actually posted 5 in a row. I think a posted about 2 in a row, the attempted to reply to other peoples threads, but really my stuff just ended up showing under my own posts. I'm not very good with forums.
Once you have replied to one person, you can edit your post and reply to anther person, or hit the chat icon with the + next to reply with quote to answer to multiples at once. It prevent the thread clutter you're causing.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

Once you have replied to one person, you can edit your post and reply to anther person, or hit the chat icon with the + next to reply with quote to answer to multiples at once. It prevent the thread clutter you're causing.

lol shit man. alright is this a little better?

[Halo Infinity]

@Copy_of_an_Echo (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4843) - It is. It's always best to test and use as many features as you can. Aside from making your posts tidier, it also makes posting and reading a lot more convenient for yourself and others. I haven't always used the edit button sometimes though, but it's always best to use it as much as possible when you're just making one post. Bumping is sometimes acceptable, but it depends. (Although, I don't have that much room to talk when it comes bumping, as I'd have to cut down on that myself.)

Thankfully, unlike some forums, you can always click "Edit Post" on any post you want to change, or add on to, or even go as far as deleting any posts you'd like to remove by clicking "Delete" just right after clicking "Edit Post".

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

@Copy_of_an_Echo (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4843) - It is. It's always best to test and use as many features as you can. Aside from making your posts tidier, it also makes posting and reading a lot more convenient for yourself and others. I haven't always used the edit button sometimes though, but it's always best to use it as much as possible when you're just making one post. Bumping is sometimes acceptable, but it depends. (Although, I don't have that much room to talk about when it comes bumping, as I'd have to cut down on that myself.)

Thankfully, unlike some forums, you can always click "Edit Post" on any post you want to change a post or add on to, or even go as far as deleting any posts you'd like to remove by clicking "Delete" after clicking "Edit Post".

No Kidding eh? I thought you couldn't delete posts. Wow, that's a lot of control. Maybe I was just thinking about gearslutz. Hey Kris, is that you? Captain Protools? Metal head/teacher at PAVI?

[Halo Infinity]

Oh no, that's definitely not me.

Oh, and to get back on the topic, I'd still like to collect Pretty Hate Machine to With Teeth on cassette some day. Thank goodness for the Marketplace section. It also makes me glad to see other people enjoying their Nine Inch Nails collections as well.

[eversonpoe]

Oh no, that's definitely not me.

Oh, and to get back on the topic, I'd still like to collect Pretty Hate Machine to With Teeth on cassette some day. Thank goodness for the Marketplace section. It also makes me glad to see other people enjoying their Nine Inch Nails collections as well.

someone just recently posted a ton of cassettes up for sale, in case you didn't see it.

[Halo Infinity]

It took almost one whole decade, but The Collector is actually one of my favorite songs from With Teeth as of now. I also appreciate Getting Smaller a lot more than I did when With Teeth first came out as well, since I can relate a lot more to it now. Getting Smaller also seems to go very well with the mood Every Day Is Exactly The Same sets for me. Everything also somehow got me to like Getting Smaller a bit more too. I'm also only saying this because I'd often skip The Collector and Getting Smaller, and I've been listening to both songs a lot more than I ever did before.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

Oh no, that's definitely not me.

Oh, and to get back on the topic, I'd still like to collect Pretty Hate Machine to With Teeth on cassette some day. Thank goodness for the Marketplace section. It also makes me glad to see other people enjoying their Nine Inch Nails collections as well.

Cassettes eh? Very interesting. Yeah I haven't thought about collecting cassettes after PHM. Didn't know they made them after the first couple albums. Yeah The COllector is pretty cool. I like the dirty bass riff as well as how Trent exhales a little grunt after he says "I pick things up". Haha, it's the subtle things that get me.

[tfang]

nin burlesque in a strange city i just arrived in seems like a good idea. Why yes, yes it does.

[NotoriousTIMP]

They were doing one here in Seattle a few months back. Let us know how terrible it is

[tfang]

Cheap booze, good music, dancin' girls... hoping for the best here...

[Wolfkiller]

My girlfriend has the best high NIN video commentary. March Of The Pigs: "Is that Eminem playing drums? "

[WorzelG]

Aargh, I really want to go to the Russell Mills exhibition in Halifax, but when I looked into going for the day, it's 5 hours each way on the train, cheapest price over £100 and I'd only have 2 hours in Halifax max.

[BenAkenobi]

That reminded me of linkin park, wouldn't have though of trent if I hadn't known it's nin song :)

[Halo Infinity]

As far as collecting Nine Inch Nails albums on vinyl goes, I suppose that my next main selections would have to be Pretty Hate Machine, Broken and The Fragile.

(And then perhaps With Teeth and Ghosts I-IV afterwards.)

I don't really collect vinyl regularly at all though, but should I get both the chances and the means, I'll definitely still keep those releases in mind.

It also took me a while to notice this, but this currently seems to be the best full length video of Nine Inch Nails performing at Woodstock 1994 on YouTube as of now. It's the actual Music Vault account.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lbFfiLAj_A

[implanted_microchip]

Kris I have to really recommend that if you're interested in collecting vinyl, have a vinyl setup. I couldn't imagine collecting albums I'm never going to listen to. I know for some people they love the decorative effect of having larger artwork, framing it, etc., but by and large I'd say it's much more satisfying to get an album you love on vinyl and be able to actually listen to it than to just get it, look at it, and put it down forever. Especially considering some of the prices of things like The Fragile.

[sheepdean]

@Kris (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=244) I have to really recommend that if you're interested in collecting vinyl, have a vinyl setup. I couldn't imagine collecting albums I'm never going to listen to. I know for some people they love the decorative effect of having larger artwork, framing it, etc., but by and large I'd say it's much more satisfying to get an album you love on vinyl and be able to actually listen to it than to just get it, look at it, and put it down forever. Especially considering some of the prices of things like The Fragile.
It's also so fucking annoying as someone who buys to listen when I see people with multiple copies of With Teeth they've never touched, and I can't get one because they're all over £100.

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

Anybody notice Trent's latest tweet -- a retweet in support of Queen Kwong's show in London. I don't get it because their music is pretty terrible in my opinion. You can watch a set in the video below. Pretty pretty awful. I don't get Trent's support of it at all.
I thought it was weird too, but for different reasons. With all the recent discussion here about Trent's distaste for Limp Bizkit and whether Wes Borland was a sellout to go back, I was poking around since I know nothing about Borland (or LB) and that led me to Queen Kwong because he's in the band.

I've decided that Black Light Burns is mediocre and I still know diddly about Limp Bizkit (maybe just as well), but I do like Queen Kwong. Looking forward to her album this year.

Sooooooo … after all that, it was very weird indeed to see her pop up in Trent's long-neglected Twitter feed two weeks later.

[hobochic]

Anybody notice Trent's latest tweet -- a retweet in support of Queen Kwong's show in London. I don't get it because their music is pretty terrible in my opinion. You can watch a set in the video below. Pretty pretty awful. I don't get Trent's support of it at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fRzqW23fqM

I wouldn't say it's awful. From your post I was expecting some shitty emo band. This reminded me more of 90's alt. pop/grunge/noise.


Apparently the singer, Carré Callaway, was discovered by Trent in New Orleans when she was 17:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv9J4d8EUik

[EndlessLoveless]

I remember hearing awhile back that before Karen O did the vocals for 'immigrant song', that she had never heard led zeps version before. Can that possibly be true??? I feel like thats something someone says to sound more.....indie or something. How, in this day and age, being in a rock band, have you never heard 'immigrant song'????

Sorry, not really a NIN thought. And not ripping on Karen O. I like (the) yeah, yeah, yeahs.

[m15a]

Can't tell if you know, but in case anyone doesn't, Carré Callaway opened for NIN and then as Queen Kwong opened for a show (or more?) later on. I don't think continued support of a colleague stands out as strange even though Trent doesn't tweet that sort of thing much. Doesn't mean he necessarily thinks the music is the greatest (but who knows, maybe he does).

[eversonpoe]

Anybody notice Trent's latest tweet -- a retweet in support of Queen Kwong's show in London. I don't get it because their music is pretty terrible in my opinion. You can watch a set in the video below. Pretty pretty awful. I don't get Trent's support of it at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fRzqW23fqM

actually, the music is great, the RECORDING is terrible. everything is completely over-saturated and hard to distinguish but if you're willing to mentally filter out the shit, you'll hear (what i think) is a pretty good band. had no idea wes was involved in this, now i'm going to check it out!

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

Apparently the singer, Carré Callaway, was discovered by Trent in New Orleans when she was 17

Can't tell if you know, but in case anyone doesn't, Carré Callaway opened for NIN and then as Queen Kwong opened for a show (or more?) later on. I don't think continued support of a colleague stands out as strange even though Trent doesn't tweet that sort of thing much.
Now it totally makes sense. I hadn't picked up on the NIN connection at all.

http://www.theninhotline.net/features/interviews/callaway/

[Edit] Found a somewhat recent interview talking about her connection to Trent:

http://www.laweekly.com/music/queen-kwong-was-discovered-by-trent-reznor-4169659

And she's a cat person. :D

[Halo Infinity]

This audio illusion instantly reminded me of Pinion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugriWSmRxcM

[Khrz]

Now I want a "Real Broke" version, with that vid as Pinion, leading into Wish played on a xylophone and a kazoo...

[Ryan]

With each passing year it looks like the frown line indentation between Trent's eyebrows gets deeper and deeper and more pronounced.

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

This audio illusion instantly reminded me of Pinion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugriWSmRxcM
Hmm. I think I know how they did that.

Not sure that a circus organ would remind me of Pinion, though.

[Halo Infinity]

To me, it actually had a lot more to do with the way it built up. It probably might sound a bit similar to Pinion if it was recorded on electric guitar.


Now I want a "Real Broke" version, with that vid as Pinion, leading into Wish played on a xylophone and a kazoo...
That reminds me of when Meathead wrote about Pinion being played on the kazoo in this article again. I'd also like to hear that too.

http://www.theninhotline.net/meatpers/html/mp991006.htm


With each passing year it looks like the frown line indentation between Trent's eyebrows gets deeper and deeper and more pronounced.
I've always thought that could make a facial expression that would go perfectly with Suck's "I'm so dirty on the inside." lyric.

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

Now I want a "Real Broke" version, with that vid as Pinion, leading into Wish played on a xylophone and a kazoo...
A few weeks back I was hearing an all-saxophone version of Wish in my head. That would make my day.

Isn't the Rockabye Baby version of Wish done on a xylophone?

http://smile.amazon.com/Lullaby-Renditions-Nine-Inch-Nails/dp/B000QZUPCM?sa-no-redirect=1

[EndlessLoveless]

A few weeks back I was hearing an all-saxophone version of Wish in my head. That would make my day.

Isn't the Rockabye Baby version of Wish done on a xylophone?

http://smile.amazon.com/Lullaby-Renditions-Nine-Inch-Nails/dp/B000QZUPCM?sa-no-redirect=1

I bought that when my son was born 18 months ago but never listened to it. We just listen to the real songs. Thanks for reminding me to check it out. (he prefers tool though, i think cause he loves drums. fuck, i have the tool one too, also unopened)

[screwdriver]

I bought that when my son was born 18 months ago but never listened to it. We just listen to the real songs. Thanks for reminding me to check it out. (he prefers tool though, i think cause he loves drums. fuck, i have the tool one too, also unopened)

my wife felt the rockabye baby versions were somehow creepier than the originals

[sweeterthan]

my wife felt the rockabye baby versions were somehow creepier than the originals

Agree! At least for the nin ones. I totally dig the queens of the Stone Age one tho.

[halloween]

I've decided that one of these days I will take a listen to NIN from the newest album all the way back to whenever. Simply because it's been so long since I've actually listened to any of their/his music that I might appreciate it better after a long break. I remember enjoying With Teeth UNTIL I started really listening to all the earlier albums. I want to listen to it all without my teenage angst right behind me, so this might be a journey I take in another five years (at age 30). I say this because I remember listening to 10,000 Days by Tool when it came out and I did not like it at all. Then, I listened to it again....6 years later and I could not understand what I was thinking because I thoroughly enjoy it now.

So yeah, I'm wondering if the same thing will happen with NIN.

[BenAkenobi]

Is “The Downward Spiral” twenty one already?


I am the voice inside your head
...
I would find a way

[Halo Infinity]

I listened to The Downward Spiral for the very first time in 2002. It became an instant favorite, and the first minute of Mr Self Destruct let me know that Nine Inch Nails was going to be my favorite musician. (I also listened to Broken at the same though, so it was also kind of the same case with the first 30 seconds of Wish.) I actually kept replaying the first 23 seconds of Mr Self Destruct a few times before letting the entire song play. My most favorite tracks aside from Closer, March Of The Pigs and Hurt have also seemed to remain the same. (It's kind of hard to narrow down most favorite songs from an album that is already a favorite, but I tried and this is what I still got, and it hasn't changed one bit from my recollection.)

Mr Self Destruct
Piggy
Heresy
Ruiner
A Warm Place
Reptile

[thefragile_jake]

I listened to Hesitation Marks for the first time in a year the other day. I forgot how much I enjoy that record except for "Satellite."

Controversial opinion....

I think "Everything" should have been the last song Nine Inch Nails ever released. There's something about the chord progression and structure that makes it's so unique among the rest of NIN's discography and the melody has this powerful, uplifting way about it. The lyrics are that of finally beating anything that had been put in your way and with Nine Inch Nails, the music always felt like to me, the internal struggle we sometimes find in ourselves and this song feels like finally being able to breathe for the first time in so long. Hell, even the end of the song sounds like someone's floating away and at peace.

I've always liked that song a lot.

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

I listened to The Downward Spiral for the very first time in 2002. It became an instant favorite, and the first minute of Mr Self Destruct let me know that Nine Inch Nails was going to be my favorite musician. (I also listened to Broken at the same though, so it was also kind of the same case with the first 30 seconds of Wish.) I actually kept replaying the first 23 seconds of Mr Self Destruct a few times before letting the entire song play. My most favorite tracks aside from Closer, March Of The Pigs and Hurt have also seemed to remain the same. (It's kind of hard to narrow down most favorite songs from an album that is already a favorite, but I tried and this is what I still got, and it hasn't changed one bit from my recollection.)

Mr Self Destruct
Piggy
Heresy
Ruiner
A Warm Place
Reptile
WHAT NO ERASER? O_o (WHY AM I TALKING SO LOUD?)

[Halo Infinity]

Oh, it's definitely a favorite, but I was also going by most favorites as far as songs I listen to right away whenever I listen to The Downward Spiral.

[GibbonBlack]

"I'm ready to go to school, daddy!" http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Trent+Reznor+Trent+Reznor+Spotted+LAX+-JtS4bfzHTll.jpg

Not sure I want to click that, what is it?

[WorzelG]

Not sure I want to click that, what is it?
Its just Trent spotted at an airport on his own with a bag, no kids or anything!

[hobochic]

I listened to Hesitation Marks for the first time in a year the other day. I forgot how much I enjoy that record except for "Satellite."

Controversial opinion....

I think "Everything" should have been the last song Nine Inch Nails ever released. There's something about the chord progression and structure that makes it's so unique among the rest of NIN's discography and the melody has this powerful, uplifting way about it. The lyrics are that of finally beating anything that had been put in your way and with Nine Inch Nails, the music always felt like to me, the internal struggle we sometimes find in ourselves and this song feels like finally being able to breathe for the first time in so long. Hell, even the end of the song sounds like someone's floating away and at peace.

I've always liked that song a lot.

Thanks for reminding me of that song. I haven't listened to HM since it came out but I always loved Everything and how it caused everyone to shit their pants. It's like the brother of "We're in this together" in its contrast against the darker songs. Great production, tight as hell with an awesome wall of sound.

[GibbonBlack]

The point is that he looks like a kid next to that other dude. Did you not get the joke at all???????

he was replying to me because without seeing the pic it seemed like it might have been a pic of his kids. That's why I asked what it was

[sheepdean]

The point is that he looks like a kid next to that other dude. Did you not get the joke at all???????
There's paparazzi photos of TR+MR's kids, we try to avoid them and your phrasing made it seem that it had his kids in

[Halo Infinity]

I find Maybe Just Once very fun to sing along to, and liked how my voice seemed to fit in so well with that song. However, I think I messed up the chorus because I had my desires, wishes and overall yearning for a relationship in mind. This was also when I randomly sang the chorus without it playing.

Out of nowhere, I actually sang, "Maybe. Maybe just once, I'll get somebody." which would've already turned it to "Maybe. Maybe just once, I'll get somebody for me." if I continued. (And I did just that for fun.)

[nin5in]

I 've been trying to master the HIS synth destruction solo for about a month now. It does not help that there are no tabs, transcribed sheet music, or midi files.There's only YouTube video lessons, and maybe it's just me ,but I find it easier to learn a song from sheet music or a tab than just watching a video.

[billpulsipher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQ68cKLT04

400 downvotes and the uploader disabled comments for the video because it was so negative

cute that there are diehards who love Everything but the fact is, that song is to NIN what 'dancing in the streets' is to Bowie...

[BRoswell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQ68cKLT04

400 downvotes and the uploader disabled comments for the video because it was so negative

cute that there are diehards who love Everything but the fact is, that song is to NIN what 'dancing in the streets' is to Bowie...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfhkXxmnYHc

Reptile. Same uploader. 677 dislikes. What was your point again?

Also, YouTube comments are almost ALWAYS filled with negativity. They're filled with trolls like you who like to fuck and breed more trolls. :p

[howdidislipinto]

that song is to NIN what 'dancing in the streets' is to Bowie...

So, fucking AWESOME then?

[billpulsipher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfhkXxmnYHc

Reptile. Same uploader. 677 dislikes. What was your point again?

Also, YouTube comments are almost ALWAYS filled with negativity. They're filled with trolls like you who like to fuck and breed more trolls. :p

2015 and calling me a troll after the tons of posts I have had where people agree with me over the past year..the calling me a troll thing ended in 2013 when people started realizing I speak the truth more than I actually shit start. stop ballsucking Trent, he doesnt read these boards anymore, he doesnt give 2 fucks if you jerk off to Everything..theres a REASON its the ONLY SONG he didnt play live off HM...Even he probably realized it was a giant turd....to be honest I am actually convinced anyone who says Everything is a great song are the biggest fucking trolls this site has ever seen.

[nooneimportant]

I speak the truth more than I actually shit start.

I have not seen you contribute to any discussions on this forum without insulting people for having a different opinion or just coming off like an ass. You have a really shitty attitude and you take your opinions as fact. Opinions are not fact.

Here's what you should do: "Personally, I don't like Everything."

This is what you do: "Everything sucks. If you like it you suck Trent's balls."

[BenAkenobi]

I cannot hear opening beat in Everything without thinking about Pussy by Rammstein, that's why i vastly prefer the remix.

[sheepdean]

2015 and calling me a troll after the tons of posts I have had where people agree with me over the past year..the calling me a troll thing ended in 2013 when people started realizing I speak the truth more than I actually shit start. stop ballsucking Trent, he doesnt read these boards anymore, he doesnt give 2 fucks if you jerk off to Everything..theres a REASON its the ONLY SONG he didnt play live off HM...Even he probably realized it was a giant turd....to be honest I am actually convinced anyone who says Everything is a great song are the biggest fucking trolls this site has ever seen.
For years he never played A Warm Place, I guess that's a giant turd too?

[eversonpoe]

For years he never played A Warm Place, I guess that's a giant turd too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djtcBlXkDZ4

[fillow]

I cannot hear opening beat in Everything without thinking about Pussy by Rammstein
ha! nice catch

[BRoswell]

I like how you conveniently ignored my retort, but anyway...


2015 and calling me a troll after the tons of posts I have had where people agree with me over the past year.

People agree with trolls all the time.


the calling me a troll thing ended in 2013 when people started realizing I speak the truth more than I actually shit start.

You're kidding, right? How many times have people called you out on your behavior around here? How many times have people simply skipped right past your posts because you brought nothing to the conversation?

And yes, in my eyes, you are a troll, no matter how long you've been here. I still can't understand why you're here in the first place. Nine times out of ten, your posts are about how this sucks or that sucks, and you purposely post things to rile people up. THAT is a troll, and THAT'S what you are.


stop ballsucking Trent, he doesnt read these boards anymore, he doesnt give 2 fucks if you jerk off to Everything.

I really don't care if he reads my posts or not. Mainly because, unlike you, I don't have a weird obsession with him. Also, Everything is hardly my favorite NIN song. I'm just not one of those fans that explodes into a fireball of rage when I hear it. :p


theres a REASON its the ONLY SONG he didnt play live off HM...

And that reason is 400 dislikes on a YouTube video? :p


to be honest I am actually convinced anyone who says Everything is a great song are the biggest fucking trolls this site has ever seen.

You'd know. ;)


For years he never played A Warm Place, I guess that's a giant turd too?

http://www.nin.wiki/NIN_songs_never_played_live

Every song on this list? GIANT pile of shit.

[WorzelG]

Come on though - Trent had a video for Everything ready to drop with mention in a Columbia press release and had obviously rehearsed the song to play live hence its inclusion on the Vevo behind the scenes thing, then it gets played on Zane Lowe, everything kicks off and suddenly video is not released and song never played live. Personally I think its sad that Trent let fan reaction determine whether to play something, but its hard to deny that that was the reason. It's not like it's my favourite on the album and I'd have gone with Satellite, but I still want to see the video dammit

[billpulsipher]

I like how you conveniently ignored my retort, but anyway...



People agree with trolls all the time.



You're kidding, right? How many times have people called you out on your behavior around here? How many times have people simply skipped right past your posts because you brought nothing to the conversation?

And yes, in my eyes, you are a troll, no matter how long you've been here. I still can't understand why you're here in the first place. Nine times out of ten, your posts are about how this sucks or that sucks, and you purposely post things to rile people up. THAT is a troll, and THAT'S what you are.



I really don't care if he reads my posts or not. Mainly because, unlike you, I don't have a weird obsession with him. Also, Everything is hardly my favorite NIN song. I'm just not one of those fans that explodes into a fireball of rage when I hear it. :p



And that reason is 400 dislikes on a YouTube video? :p



You'd know. ;)



http://www.nin.wiki/NIN_songs_never_played_live

Every song on this list? GIANT pile of shit.


1. trolls are uneducated and stir shit for no reason. I know more about NIN than you fanboy and most of my posts are based on opinions/facts. if you dont agree with me, that doesnt make me a troll, it just makes you a TR ballsucker...and nobody has ever called me out for my "behavior"...the only time i remember was when that sarah k girl flipped out when i badmouthed the backup singers, or "gospel singers"..the only other person who acts like an asshole to me is you because you're just a fanboy TR ballsucker...in fact I also remember getting blasted here for saying the grammys would be a disaster and TR would live to regret it, and all the fanboys like you went apeshit on how negative I am and how dare I not support TR....and well, we know how that turned out....


theres a reason he never played Everything. Dont act like it was just a fluke he never played it. He rehearsed it and made a video and even had it on setlists and shelved it because the reaction was so horrible...I guess I wasnt the only one who disliked it. I didnt make the unicorn video


I'm tired of arguing with TR ballsuckers, this is so 2013. we get it. Tension was the best tour ever, Everything is as good as anything on Fragile, the backup singers>>>>Downward Spiral tour. Hesitation Marks is a masterpiece. How To Destroy Angels is the greatest thing ever. TR has never done a bad song in his life...TR is the second coming of almighty jesus...blah blah boring. where is parente to back me up

this is much more interesting...NEW 2015 interview where The Rez discusses the roots from which he was spawned


http://www.vice.com/read/nine-inch-nails-trent-reznor-on-making-it-out-of-the-midwest-456






(https://twitter.com/MattEhalt)

[Khrz]

Man, now I really want to put bill and ninmachine in an arena, thunderdome style...

[BRoswell]

1. trolls are uneducated and stir shit for no reason.

And you've proven that time and again.


I know more about NIN than you fanboy and most of my posts are based on opinions/facts.

Congrats.


if you dont agree with me, that doesnt make me a troll, it just makes you a TR ballsucker

It goes beyond just disagreeing with you. I've disagreed with other people on this board, but you don't see me calling them trolls. You might want to take a look at those conversations (I don't have a ton of posts on here, so that shouldn't be too difficult) and see the difference.


...and nobody has ever called me out for my "behavior"...

Sorry, but I beg to differ. Mainly because I've been one of the people who HAVE called you out on your behavior.


I'm tired of arguing with TR ballsuckers, this is so 2013. we get it. Tension was the best tour ever, Everything is as good as anything on Fragile, the backup singers>>>>Downward Spiral tour. Hesitation Marks is a masterpiece. How To Destroy Angels is the greatest thing ever. TR has never done a bad song in his life...TR is the second coming of almighty jesus...blah blah boring.

So you either have to think something is the best thing ever or the worst thing ever? You're right. That IS boring. What a narrow view of things. No wonder you get so pissed off all the time. Look, I liked Everything. I thought Tension was an interesting change of pace. Hesitation Marks and How To Destroy Angels are good stuff overall. But do I think all of that is the absolute epitome of music? Absolutely not, and I'm sure most people who like those things feel the same way. The fact that you insist that anyone who DOES like those things feels that way definitely shows your ignorance, despite being the almighty authority on everything Trent.

[screwdriver]

Come on though - Trent had a video for Everything ready to drop with mention in a Columbia press release and had obviously rehearsed the song to play live hence its inclusion on the Vevo behind the scenes thing, then it gets played on Zane Lowe, everything kicks off and suddenly video is not released and song never played live. Personally I think its sad that Trent let fan reaction determine whether to play something, but its hard to deny that that was the reason. It's not like it's my favourite on the album and I'd have gone with Satellite, but I still want to see the video dammit

regardless of your feelings on the song, I'm not convinced its so bad to let fan reaction guide you. we don't perform in a vacuum. I recall an interview with TR saying he had doubts about including the song at all; the popular response can sway you one or the other.

art is tricky, I guess -- you've gotta believe in yourself and stay true to yourself, but who you are can change from day to day, and everybody should be open to criticism. it would be one thing if he came out thinking it was the best thing he's ever done, fuck the haters. but he came out pretty tepid, and the only way you really have to gauge things is by what other people think. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that.

[sheepdean]

1. trolls are uneducated and stir shit for no reason. I know more about NIN than you fanboy and most of my posts are based on opinions/facts. if you dont agree with me, that doesnt make me a troll, it just makes you a TR ballsucker...and nobody has ever called me out for my "behavior"...the only time i remember was when that sarah k girl flipped out when i badmouthed the backup singers, or "gospel singers"..the only other person who acts like an asshole to me is you because you're just a fanboy TR ballsucker...in fact I also remember getting blasted here for saying the grammys would be a disaster and TR would live to regret it, and all the fanboys like you went apeshit on how negative I am and how dare I not support TR....and well, we know how that turned out....


theres a reason he never played Everything. Dont act like it was just a fluke he never played it. He rehearsed it and made a video and even had it on setlists and shelved it because the reaction was so horrible...I guess I wasnt the only one who disliked it. I didnt make the unicorn video


I'm tired of arguing with TR ballsuckers, this is so 2013. we get it. Tension was the best tour ever, Everything is as good as anything on Fragile, the backup singers>>>>Downward Spiral tour. Hesitation Marks is a masterpiece. How To Destroy Angels is the greatest thing ever. TR has never done a bad song in his life...TR is the second coming of almighty jesus...blah blah boring. where is parente to back me up

You do not know more than everyone else. Hell I'd say BRoswell's a pretty well-versed person, with no less knowledge than you.

Also I call you out for your behaviour all the time.

And we're not TR ballsuckers. I think HM was his weakest NIN album yet, I love Everything but most of it I can leave. I love HTDA but that's because of Mariqueen's voice, and if TR left I literally would not care. You're not special or smart for thinking that TF and TDS are his best, that's just opinion. And there is no absolute "best album", there is no absolute best tour, there are opinions. But you don't have opinions, you make claims that music must be bad because YOU don't like it. I thought Mantra was boring but everyone else seemed to love it - that means that I'm not wrong, and I'm not right. Because I didn't like it, but I'm not saying it's bad.

You don't like Everything - stop talking about it.
You don't like HTDA - stop talking about them.
You don't like the current line up - stop talking about it.
You don't like NIN - stop coming to All The Sin.



Edit: and, as an addendum: we don't know why Trent doesn't play most of the songs he doesn't. Maybe an initial backlash made him not play Everything, maybe it didn't fit in the set, maybe he made an exclusive deal to play it at a show that fell through. He doesn't play EDIETS and pulled the video on that, but you're not saying that's a travesty. And Hurt and MOTP's videos were pulled too.

[implanted_microchip]

I've really been wondering how it is they'd go about sequencing a Fragile special edition reissue. I'd personally hope they'd resequence it to include TNF, 10 Miles High, Appendage, etc., and I'd hate to see those things relegated to a bonus disc, but at the same time know that more than likely they'd not touch the CD tracklisting.

I really, really wish there had been more music videos for Hesitation Marks. The art trailer with Eater of Dreams was a really cool visual compliment to it. Maybe it's from working on film scores in-between TS and HM, but a lot of HM has a very cinematic, visual quality to it. Copy of a not getting a video still surprises me, really. In general I just dislike that we're in an era where music videos are either a novelty or an after-thought by and large at this point; NIN just goes very well with visuals.

I'm hoping there's not new NIN until next year, mainly because I'd hope that by then Trent would be interesting in doing some touring, even if it isn't the giant year long globe-trotting extravaganza 2013/14 was. It would just be weird to get a new album with no tour for it, if that makes sense.

[sheepdean]

I've really been wondering how it is they'd go about sequencing a Fragile special edition reissue. I'd personally hope they'd resequence it to include TNF, 10 Miles High, Appendage, etc., and I'd hate to see those things relegated to a bonus disc, but at the same time know that more than likely they'd not touch the CD tracklisting.
I assumed they would do the vinyl tracklisting with Appendage after Please and Decay after Ripe, that would put on everything - with a possible extra disc for rarities/b sides

[botley]

I assumed they would do the vinyl tracklisting with Appendage after Please and Decay after Ripe, that would put on everything - with a possible extra disc for rarities/b sides
That's how I have it sequenced in my playlist, but the CD/cassette versions of the songs are fine instead of the longer vinyl ones. Disc Left is a perfect CD, no need to touch it or break up the segues like the vinyl sides do.

[screwdriver]

Well, if Trent and Mariqueen's instagram is anything to go by, it's pretty clear Trent is taking 2015 off. So yeah, I wouldn't expect any new NIN till at least 2016. Just my opinion. And speaking of videos, for HM: I would have loved to have seen a video for 'Copy of A.' Hell, what if Fincher had directed a video for 'Copy of A'??? That would have been too good to be true.

Fincher's one NIN video sort of sucked

Give me Romanek ... hell, even Lynch's was memorable, love it or hate it

I think Reznor's music works better for Fincher movies than Fincher movies work better for Reznor music, if that makes sense

[Vertigo]

The Only video's infinity times better than the Perfect Drug video in my entirely subjective and therefore more or less worthless opinion.

[implanted_microchip]

Copy of a, Satellite, In Two and Various Methods of Escape all feel like they would have really lent themselves to videos. I'd be all for Fincher doing another NIN video; I actually think the Only video is fine and doubt anything he would do would mirror it. Especially with the closer working relationship they have now, I could see something great coming out of that.

[billpulsipher]

MTV is dead. at this point, you are making music videos for youtube views

[BRoswell]

MTV is dead. at this point, you are making music videos for youtube views

And that's not a bad thing. Creative freedom and less censorship.

[sheepdean]

MTV is dead. at this point, you are making music videos for youtube views
A successful YT video make far more profit than a successful MTV video ever did.

[Khrz]

And that's not a bad thing. Creative freedom and less censorship.

It's really starting to feel like an archaism though, there's no real monetary incentive anymore, the TV doesn't care... And youtube would censor the uncut video of Closer just as much. Last time I watched a video clip more than once, it must have been starfuckers, or something from that era...

[sheepdean]

It's really starting to feel like an archaism though, there's no real monetary incentive anymore, the TV doesn't care... And youtube would censor the uncut video of Closer just as much. Last time I watched a video clip more than once, it must have been starfuckers, or something from that era...
Vimeo censors far less, if needed - and people have made literally millions from youtube.

[BRoswell]

It's really starting to feel like an archaism though, there's no real monetary incentive anymore, the TV doesn't care... And youtube would censor the uncut video of Closer just as much. Last time I watched a video clip more than once, it must have been starfuckers, or something from that era...

I'm not necessarily saying that music videos are as big as they used to be. It used to be that you had to get a music video on MTV to reach a certain level of fame, but not anymore. That said, I find that some artists have been freed creatively by not having to worry about appealing to a general audience or MTV. I've even found out about some artists because of an interesting music video they did.

Also, the director's cut of Closer is on YouTube, and I've seen videos by other artists that are rather graphic on there too. They sometimes come with a warning, but at least they're available.

[Khrz]

Fair points all around, alright, my analysis wasn't on point :D

[BRoswell]

Anyone else listen to the "Self Destruction, Part 3" mix of Mr. Self Destruct more than the original? I adore the album version, but that remix is almost like a single version of it. It's like one swift punch to the gut.

[WorzelG]

Anyone else listen to the "Self Destruction, Part 3" mix of Mr. Self Destruct more than the original? I adore the album version, but that remix is almost like a single version of it. It's like one swift punch to the gut.
Total agreement with this. I have to admit to listening to Erased Over Out quite obsessively at the time, it was just so disturbing

[seasonsinthesky]

Anyone else listen to the "Self Destruction, Part 3" mix of Mr. Self Destruct more than the original? I adore the album version, but that remix is almost like a single version of it. It's like one swift punch to the gut.

if the surround (down)mix didn't sound so much better, i would listen to that one every time. it's mostly because it doesn't have the ending, which sticks around a little too long on TDS, imo.

[implanted_microchip]

Further Down the Spiral, in general, is great. It's pretty much a perfect companion to TDS. Everything from that era really had a lot of quality content; TDS, the singles, FDTS (both editions), Closure, there's just so much. As far as remixes from that era go I probably listen to Ruiner (Version), the Self Destruct mixes, Reptilian/Underneath the Skin and Closer (Precursor) more than anything.

YouTube comments are usually best avoided like the plague but I remember actually seeing someone say that TDS is like watching someone go down the spiral, whereas FDTS makes you that person, and it's a decent comparison. You stop hearing someone talking about the noise inside their head and have it put into yours. As a whole that's probably the most fully realized era of NIN across all releases (the Year Zero ARG might beat it out for that, but I'm just speaking in terms of general major releases). I really hate that the era of maxi-singles and tons of out there remixes and unique versions of things is pretty much over; granted that's led to a wealth of great fan made content that in some cases rivals the quality of official mixes, but there's also a wealth of awful fan made content that can make it rough to sift through.

Totally other random thought here: Performance 2007 had probably the best setlists of a major "standard" NIN tour (NINJA/Wave Goodbye was more of a special thing so I'd not consider it representative of a typical NIN tour). I was looking through the shows I have from RITC and I've got 15 from that tour and listen to all of them. There's just a crazy amount of variety and intensity to it. Does anyone know what the number of unique songs the band played that tour? I know it's got to be at least 40 or so, right?

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

Anyone else listen to the "Self Destruction, Part 3" mix of Mr. Self Destruct more than the original? I adore the album version, but that remix is almost like a single version of it. It's like one swift punch to the gut.
Damn. I still haven't sat myself down to listen to the UK version … but at least I've now removed the shrink wrap.

Progress! :p


As a whole that's probably the most fully realized era of NIN across all releases (the Year Zero ARG might beat it out for that, but I'm just speaking in terms of general major releases).
Someday (after I finally listen to FDTS UK) I intend to create a Greater Downward Spiral playlist that will suck me in through my headphones and leave me wandering the internet forever.

[hobochic]

I cannot hear opening beat in Everything without thinking about Pussy by Rammstein, that's why i vastly prefer the remix.

The opening beat for the remix of Everything always reminded me of Smoke City's - Underwater Love


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUz3fLncTTs

[virushopper]

Totally other random thought here: Performance 2007 had probably the best setlists of a major "standard" NIN tour (NINJA/Wave Goodbye was more of a special thing so I'd not consider it representative of a typical NIN tour). I was looking through the shows I have from RITC and I've got 15 from that tour and listen to all of them. There's just a crazy amount of variety and intensity to it. Does anyone know what the number of unique songs the band played that tour? I know it's got to be at least 40 or so, right?
I agree, what bums me out about it is he never toured the States that entire year. Yeah yeah I am aware of Hawaii but I am talking about mainland!

[seasonsinthesky]

Performance 2007 had probably the best setlists of a major "standard" NIN tour (NINJA/Wave Goodbye was more of a special thing so I'd not consider it representative of a typical NIN tour). I was looking through the shows I have from RITC and I've got 15 from that tour and listen to all of them. There's just a crazy amount of variety and intensity to it. Does anyone know what the number of unique songs the band played that tour? I know it's got to be at least 40 or so, right?

what's your favourite show of the tour?

[nooneimportant]

I just realized that when I'm in a depressed or bad mood, I listen to NIN the most. I listen to NIN nearly every day but for some reason it shoots up when I feel shitty. I'm not a terribly depressive person, I'm rather jokey and very happy alot of the time but yeah... NIN can kinda do things for me if I feel sour, you know? It's a release.

[nooneimportant]

Fans can vote up which picture is the main picture for artists on Last.fm's site and this is what happened when I checked my profile...

http://i.imgur.com/JZHl23a.png

I laughed.

[implanted_microchip]

what's your favourite show of the tour?


That's a tough one. I'd say you could really just pick any of the Studio Coast or Metro Nightclub dates. The Manchester date is special because of We're In This Together. There's just so much, but yeah, overall I'd guess go with one from Studio Coast as my favorite. I've never heard a NIN show from Japan that wasn't fantastic, Trent really does seem to get a lot more energy from their crowds than he does anywhere else.

[Halo Infinity]

I just realized that when I'm in a depressed or bad mood, I listen to NIN the most. I listen to NIN nearly every day but for some reason it shoots up when I feel shitty. I'm not a terribly depressive person, I'm rather jokey and very happy alot of the time but yeah... NIN can kinda do things for me if I feel sour, you know? It's a release.
As I've mentioned before so many times, that's exactly how Nine Inch Nails went a little bit beyond the entertainment factors whenever it came to my listening experience, which just added to the reasons why he's my favorite musician. It's also perfect for whenever I'm thinking about my personal life and where I stand in this world as a person.

Purest Feeling really does just that for me too. :)

[Wolfkiller]

Fuck. Don't listen to Rusty Nails for the first time while high. I don't know what's going on right now.
EDIT: My phone auto corrected to Nine Inch McDougal haha Jesus dicing Christ

[Wolfkiller]

Anyone remember that rumor that Trent was in the concert crowd surfing scene in The Crow? Or was that a local thing? Like how I heard a girl put a cigarette out in Manson's face at a show around here back in the day. I was expecting a mention of the story in his book. Trent should write a book.

[BenAkenobi]

Every time "Purest Feeling" album is mentioned, i have this random thought (i guess it turned from random into regular), that it was never supposed to be so widely and readily available!
That was only possible because somebody who worked with Trent "leaked" it to some shady european "publisher" (Hawk), and now it's on every mp3 site, torrents, youtube, etc.
And seeing there are people who seem to care about that one instead of real album, it's mindblowing. It's not negativity on my part, no (as many would take it). But i'm confused.
It's crazy (historically speaking) that it's probably one and only occurrence of a CD so strongly associated with nin which Trent had no control over - contrary to "Still", by the way.
I mean, how old is this attitude "you absolutely have to hear PG + Still, you haven't heard nin if you haven't heard those"? Uh-huh, totally in the same league of importance :rolleyes:

[sheepdean]

Anyone remember that rumor that Trent was in the concert crowd surfing scene in The Crow? Or was that a local thing? Like how I heard a girl put a cigarette out in Manson's face at a show around here back in the day. I was expecting a mention of the story in his book. Trent should write a book.
Trent was never in The Crow, but NIN was meant to be. I guess there's enough Trent-looking people in the film for that to have got started.
If Trent wrote a book, there'd be so much fucking libel

Every time "Purest Feeling" album is mentioned, i have this random thought (i guess it turned from random into regular), that it was never supposed to be so widely and readily available!
That was only possible because somebody who worked with Trent "leaked" it to some shady european "publisher" (Hawk), and now it's on every mp3 site, torrents, youtube, etc.
And seeing there are people who seem to care about that one instead of real album, it's mindblowing. It's not negativity on my part, no (as many would take it). But i'm confused.
It's crazy (historically speaking) that it's probably one and only occurrence of a CD so strongly associated with nin which Trent had no control over - contrary to "Still", by the way.
I mean, how old is this attitude "you absolutely have to hear PG + Still, you haven't heard nin if you haven't heard those"? Uh-huh, totally in the same league of importance :rolleyes:
Still is an essential!

As for Purest Feeling, I fucking love - I think the appeal isn't just its supposed rarity, but that is has two unique tracks and is genuinely good music. It feels like Trent was really, really jamming to With Sympathy for a while. It deserves a real release, like the Broken Movie. A NIN rarities boxset would be nice

[BenAkenobi]

Still is an essential!

Did I say it isn't? I said there's a significant number of people clinging to those "rarities" and riding this breed of high horse: "call yourself a fan of nin? return after you listen Still and PF 100 times, then we'll talk". Ugh.

[sheepdean]

Did I say it isn't? I said there's a significant number of people clinging to those "rarities" and riding this breed of high horse: "call yourself a fan of nin? return after you listen Still and PF 100 times, then we'll talk". Ugh.
Ah i misunderstood. Fuck the "real fan" dynamic generally, I'd always rather show people the rarities than tell them they have to hear them.

[kel]

Anyone remember that rumor that Trent was in the concert crowd surfing scene in The Crow? Or was that a local thing? Like how I heard a girl put a cigarette out in Manson's face at a show around here back in the day. I was expecting a mention of the story in his book. Trent should write a book.
i never heard that, but i remember hearing that he was the front-runner at one point to play the main character in that awful sequel. i don't know where it came from or why my friends and i at 16 believed it. in my mind kurt loder actually mentioned something about it, but it was likely a dumb local thing like you said.

so stupid.

[kel]

Every time "Purest Feeling" album is mentioned, i have this random thought (i guess it turned from random into regular), that it was never supposed to be so widely and readily available!

sorry for the double post, but i totally know what you mean. my copy of pf in the 90's was a memorex cassette and i treasured it in a big way. i would listen to it in spurts so as not to wear it out. it felt exclusive, like that "x files" bootleg vhs tape that was circulating at the time.

[FULLMETAL]

This shirt is a sadness.

http://i.imgur.com/uPuC7J6l.jpg

[Halo Infinity]

@jezstyle (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=260) @kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) @henryeatscereal (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1572) @elevenism (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475) @Pillfred (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=393) @marodi (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=125) @sentient02970 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=444) @Joy Prevention Hotline (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=3789) - I hope you like my take on Wish. I'll admit that it's a bit of a personal interpretation of it though. :)

I really enjoy how uplifting and hypnotic 1:46-2:13 of Wish can be. While the entire song captures my yearning for truth, hope and purpose, that particular moment also captures my yearning to go back and fix everything, even though I know that I actually must accept what I can not change. I just really love how, "I want to but I can't turn back. But I want to." is also used in that moment, as that also sums up my conscience from time to time, while fitting in with that kind of sound as it really draws me in before Trent brings it on home.

I also interpreted it as wanting to not just go back to better times, but wishing to also be able to fix things instead of having to accept that some things just have to remain broken forever. I don't know why it didn't occur to me any sooner, but it certainly fits in so well as somebody that has fantasized about traveling back in time in order to fix everything without breaking anything else if possible.

And after thinking about how damaging and destructive the truth can be, even if it is a virtue most of the time, made me appreciate the music video even more. What is real, and what is true can also sometimes kill/damage you/others and steal from you and others, both metaphorically and literally. (Including the very truth of when to accept that some things aren't meant to be fixed, as even that can be sometimes very hard/impossible to swallow.) In that way, it can certainly be a reminder to be careful of what you wish for, no matter how excellent it looks on paper.

I like how it can also go with, "Don't open your eyes, you won't like what you see. The blind have been blessed with security." from Happiness In Slavery. It makes sense to me though, that it's also possible that the yearning and wishing to fix things would be mentioned in an album named Broken.

[GlitchyFlame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl9_enhs9ro
Seeing '90s Trent with his modern hair cut is strange.

[nooneimportant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl9_enhs9ro
Seeing '90s Trent with his modern hair cut is strange.

It's funny how 90's Trent has a different stage presence than he does now, but in this video he has current hair and acts like current Trent. It's like Trent knows Time Travel or something...

[botley]

This shirt is a sadness.

http://i.imgur.com/uPuC7J6l.jpg
Mine looks exactly the same. Oh well!

[Charmingly Miserable]

I like to think that Not So Pretty Now is about Courtney Love.

[BRoswell]

Yeah, it's definitely about addiction, which is probably why it was left off of With Teeth in the first place. It's rather in your face about it.

[WorzelG]

I think it comes across as about addiction partly, but mostly fame, and the transience of fame, particularly reading the last few iterations of the chorus, but yeah it seems to be about himself not anyone else. But hasn't he always said he prefers people to interpret the lyrics how they see fit?

[GlitchyFlame]

Going on two years since the release of HM and it seems everyone is releasing new albums, including Soundgarden's Chris Cornell: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/soundgardens-chris-cornell-completes-recording-new-solo-album/ Everyone was releasing albums in 2013. Hopefully 2015 will be the year that everyone will do it again ;)