Random NIN Thoughts

[fillow]

My very first NIN show (and coincidentally my first concert-going experience ever) happened exactly 10 years ago on this day.
This was also my first solo trip to another city/country. Still remember most of it to the smallest details.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nine-inch-nails/2007/sk-yubileyny-saint-petersburg-russia-13d631b1.html

[sweeterthan]

1 year since the dive and slam hoax. Look where we are now, folks.


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[eversonpoe]

i wish the new EPs were coming out on 2-sided 10" vinyl rather than one single-sided 12" and a 2-sided 12" (and whatever the third EP ends up on, format-wise)

[WorzelG]

Pleased that Add Violence debuted at 17 on the billboard charts. It wasn't mentioned in the billboard round up though. Is this seen as a bad thing?

[Ribbitman]

So once the 3rd EP drops, I plan on making a thread asking people to list in order their favorite NIN songs. I will then put them all in a spreadsheet. I think it will be pretty cool to see everyones lists.

My question is, should I do top 10, or top 20?

[thefragile_jake]

Trent really needs to have a shirt that says T.R. on it like in the Meathead comics.

http://www.theninhotline.net/meatpers/img/wallpapers/family_800x600.jpg

Man - I really miss those Meathead cartoons.

[slammy79]

So once the 3rd EP drops, I plan on making a thread asking people to list in order their favorite NIN songs. I will then put them all in a spreadsheet. I think it will be pretty cool to see everyones lists.

My question is, should I do top 10, or top 20?


I'd say top 20. And if you're feeling saucy, how about a bottom 5? I don't know that I totally hate any NIN, but there are certainly least favorites.

[NIN64]

So once the 3rd EP drops, I plan on making a thread asking people to list in order their favorite NIN songs. I will then put them all in a spreadsheet. I think it will be pretty cool to see everyones lists.

My question is, should I do top 10, or top 20?

Ask me for 20 of my favorite NIN tracks, and I'll give you a list. Ask me to put them into some sort of qualitative order and my head might explode. . . does not compute.

[sweeterthan]

Ask me for 20 of my favorite NIN tracks, and I'll give you a list. Ask me to put them into some sort of qualitative order and my head might explode. . . does not compute.

I don't really get the point of it. I'm not trying to knock the idea but I can't think of any reason to do this other than boredom.

For some reason that reminds me of....

In college, I had this idea for a project that would show all the common lyrical themes on all the nin records. You could search for "nothing" and every song where he says the word nothing would come up. I never made it happen and I still think it would be fun but really, what's the point? Would anyone besides 10 of you think it's fun or useful?

[ickyvicky]

Does anyone remember I think it was called the NIN Tour Journal website? Where you could log in which shows you went to and share stuff? Is it gone?

[xolotl]

In college, I had this idea for a project that would show all the common lyrical themes on all the nin records. You could search for "nothing" and every song where he says the word nothing would come up. I never made it happen and I still think it would be fun but really, what's the point? Would anyone besides 10 of you think it's fun or useful?

Ha - I actually got something which does that 99% complete shortly after Hesitation Marks was released, but never got around to putting the finishing touches on the thing. Was having some trouble coming up with a UI for searching which wasn't so obtuse, and needed to go through and verify all the lyrics that I'd more or less blindly imported.

https://github.com/apocalyptech/ninlyrics

I think I'd also wanted to track down the proper copyright status for the lyrics in question and include that in there before officially putting the thing live somewhere. Perhaps mentioning it here will kick me in gear to dust this off and put it online.

http://i.imgur.com/ZbpNdnT.png

http://i.imgur.com/6Im5m7X.png

Edit: Ah yeah, I'd also long been wondering if I should group The Perfect Drug into either TDS or Fragile, though neither really seemed "right."

Edit 2: Or, with the requested "nothing":

http://i.imgur.com/hlGekgL.png

[Ribbitman]

I don't really get the point of it. I'm not trying to knock the idea but I can't think of any reason to do this other than boredom.

For some reason that reminds me of....

In college, I had this idea for a project that would show all the common lyrical themes on all the nin records. You could search for "nothing" and every song where he says the word nothing would come up. I never made it happen and I still think it would be fun but really, what's the point? Would anyone besides 10 of you think it's fun or useful?
I thought it would be cool to see different opinions on their favorite songs

[sweeterthan]

I thought it would be cool to see different opinions on their favorite songs

It will be for you and everyone who participates. I'm sure lots of folks will engage you with your idea. This is totally the board to do it. Like I said in my post I'm not trying to knock it or discourage you from doing it. I just think there's no way to rank the songs. Sure some are better than others but pitting one favorite against another isn't in my interests. But I do think there are people here who want to discuss it. Have fun when you do finally make it happen. [emoji41]

[xolotl]

So once the 3rd EP drops, I plan on making a thread asking people to list in order their favorite NIN songs. I will then put them all in a spreadsheet. I think it will be pretty cool to see everyones lists.

My question is, should I do top 10, or top 20?

My suggestion if you go through with this is to put together a web form which auto-submits to a database in the first place, btw. It'll save you a ton of work. I assume you can do that via google docs/forms/spreadsheets/whatever pretty easily. Make sure you've got the songs selected via dropdown or you'll be spending your whole life correcting typos.

Also, if you DO do this, it may be informative to use the method that the avclub uses for their staff "best of" lists at the end of the year - each person gets N points to assign to tracks however they wish. That way you'd have some weighting on a per-person basis. I think the av club gives everyone 100 points?

I think it'd be interesting to see how the data from ETS members compares to the wider public, though I don't know how easily you'd get non-ETS responses.

Also, this could be used as a more scientific basis for that "unpopular NIN opinions" thread on here. You'd have some hard numbers as to how unpopular your song choice opinions are! Might be fun to do a "least favorite" poll as well, though I suppose that'd just open up ragefests.

[slammy79]

I thought it would be cool to see different opinions on their favorite songs

There's been this "Survivor" style thing going in reddit for a while. They take an album and every few days vote off one song until the supposed "best" song is left for each album. I've contributed when I catch the polls and mostly I'd say I agree with the opinion of the masses (which is likely 30-50 people on /r/nin (http://www.reddit.com/r/nin)).

As someone who loves NIN and statistics, I'm all about this.

[_T_B_W_]

I thought there was a Soundboard audio of Wish from the 2009 tour that wasn't from the NIN channel nor festival streams, and after some digging around, I found it!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D6-h_hO4WPA

[Pyract]

There's been this "Survivor" style thing going in reddit for a while. They take an album and every few days vote off one song until the supposed "best" song is left for each album. I've contributed when I catch the polls and mostly I'd say I agree with the opinion of the masses (which is likely 30-50 people on /r/nin (http://www.reddit.com/r/nin)).

As someone who loves NIN and statistics, I'm all about this.
I saw something like this on Litany (the Skinny Puppy forum) several years ago called Last Track Standing and the results were VERY interesting. I tend to favor the deeper cuts, that never get talked about, never played live... A shocking amount of those songs were the winners. It was really cool to watch unfold.

[TheBang]

I'd forgotten about that one. Too bad the audio is mono.

[Stereo75]

So I couldn't help notice the abundance of black plastic stringy crap hanging off of the keyboards & drums & everything in the 2017 live clips that out there.

I love it.

[Stereo75]

'Something I Can Never Have` gets better with age.

[sick among the pure]

So I couldn't help notice the abundance of black plastic stringy crap hanging off of the keyboards & drums & everything in the 2017 live clips that out there.

I love it.


I believe it's the magnetic tape used in cassettes.

[muse-lyre candy]

Nine Inch Nails - Dallas Texas - The Video Bar - June 26th 1990 (Full Show)

also uses magnetic tape from either/both cassette tapes and vhs/beta tapes.
(old school)
:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlUZL7rHH5k

@sweeterthan (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=50) @nooneimportant (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=3581) @sick among the pure (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=266) @Halo Infinity (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=244) @Stereo75 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=513)

i apologize if you've already seen this one.

[Halo Infinity]

So I couldn't help notice the abundance of black plastic stringy crap hanging off of the keyboards & drums & everything in the 2017 live clips that out there.

I love it.


I believe it's the magnetic tape used in cassettes.
Come to think of it, I also like it because it reminds me of the Head Like A Hole music video.

Speaking of Head Like A Hole, I'm reminded how I like the colors of Polybius on the Less Than video, not just because they're eye-candy to me, but also because I've also seen those kinds of colors flash around on the Head Like A Hole and Down In It videos.

[nooneimportant]

I believe they use to have tape everywhere during the Pretty Hate Machine era shows too, so what they're doing now is classic NIN all the way.

[sweeterthan]

I believe they use to have tape everywhere during the Pretty Hate Machine era shows too, so what they're doing now is classic NIN all the way.

The term "classic nin" makes me feel both excited and old.

[sweeterthan]

Ha - I actually got something which does that 99% complete shortly after Hesitation Marks was released, but never got around to putting the finishing touches on the thing. Was having some trouble coming up with a UI for searching which wasn't so obtuse, and needed to go through and verify all the lyrics that I'd more or less blindly imported.

https://github.com/apocalyptech/ninlyrics

I think I'd also wanted to track down the proper copyright status for the lyrics in question and include that in there before officially putting the thing live somewhere. Perhaps mentioning it here will kick me in gear to dust this off and put it online.

http://i.imgur.com/ZbpNdnT.png

http://i.imgur.com/6Im5m7X.png

Edit: Ah yeah, I'd also long been wondering if I should group The Perfect Drug into either TDS or Fragile, though neither really seemed "right."

Edit 2: Or, with the requested "nothing":

http://i.imgur.com/hlGekgL.png

I gotta say this is awesome. If you ever want to pick it back up, design/UI is what I used to do before I became a mom and I'd love to help out. Feel free to pm me whenever.

[streetman]

So I guess it's safe to assume August will be Trent in the studio again. EP 3 in the works!

[xolotl]

I gotta say this is awesome. If you ever want to pick it back up, design/UI is what I used to do before I became a mom and I'd love to help out. Feel free to pm me whenever.

Heh, thanks. Your post from a day or two ago seems to have actually spurred me to get it out there already!

URL: http://apocalyptech.com/ninlyrics/
ETS Thread, in case it merits any further discussion: http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/4604-NIN-Lyrics-Database-Stats?p=369731

Let's hear it for pointless time-sinks!

\o/

[Harry Seaward]

It's a bit of a tragedy that NIN's two best, most devastating, and perfect songs - "And All That Could Have Been" + "I'm Looking Forward To Joining You, Finally" - have never been played live.

[clarktrent]

I'd be on my hands and knees all night until my wrists break in order to get a Hesitation Marks instrumental

[_T_B_W_]

If they start doing interludes during the live shows like what they did with The Loop Closes I'm hoping any future interludes are outtakes from Deviations (especially Was It Worth It)

[gorast]

This is pretty much out of the blue, but was there ever a reason given why the CD version of The Slip was numbered? 250k is a pretty big limited run.

[sheepdean]

This is pretty much out of the blue, but was there ever a reason given why the CD version of The Slip was numbered? 250k is a pretty big limited run.
It was going to be 25k Domestic and unlimited worldwide originally, 25k just for the collectors really. Then at some point it changed, either from logistics or from fan response to the collectible one being so rare, so I assume he made the entire printing contract limited instead

[nooneimportant]

The way Trent performs The Lovers is the exact way he can do Zero-Sum, Idea of You, and Dear World live. All songs have distant spoken word vocals and could be done with that voice box thing he has.

[mewsick]

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20638662_10213662191086901_6649813870637119994_n.j pg?oh=f9329b1ab0358706a132672b4118192d&oe=5A2C09A3

Lyttelton, Christchurch, New Zealand

I bet the missing sandbag orders are in those crates , definitely.

[muse-lyre candy]

It was going to be 25k Domestic and unlimited worldwide originally, 25k just for the collectors really. Then at some point it changed, either from logistics or from fan response to the collectible one being so rare, so I assume he made the entire printing contract limited instead
anytime i come across a decently priced The Slip, i buy it just for the sake of it. they've all been pretty high numbers but what the hell.. the day i actually own three consecutive numbers ill be doing the happy dance and jumping for joy..
:rolleyes:

[implanted_microchip]

I'd be on my hands and knees all night until my wrists break in order to get a Hesitation Marks instrumental
I just want the multitracks released so that I can hear what weird shit people might do with All Time Low or In Two

[wizfan]

The way Trent performs The Lovers is the exact way he can do Zero-Sum, Idea of You, and Dear World live. All songs have distant spoken word vocals and could be done with that voice box thing he has.

He also sang The Warning with walkie-talkies! It looked silly, but he made it work.

[sheepdean]

Literally every day I check the store if Quake and AV Vinyl are for sale yet

[tony.parente]

Literally every day I check the store if Quake and AV Vinyl are for sale yet
Shipping November 2017. Arriving summer 2018. Replacement shipping winter 2018.

[WorzelG]

Josh talks extensively about playing for NIN and other stuff at the final third.

https://www.redbullradio.com/shows/peak-time/episodes/july-28-2017
Thanks for this, the story of who plays the baritone sax in While I'm Still Here makes me even more confused about why Trent didn't play it himself

[Ribbitman]

The Day The World Went Away > Adrift And At Peace > The Mark Has Been Made > 10 Miles High


these go so well in that order

[LosingFocus]

The Perfect Drug quotes Love Is A Stranger by The Eurythmics. Was just listening to the latter for the first time in ages and it dawned on my that they both have repeated "And I Want You" sections and a shared lyrical theme.

[polski]

The Perfect Drug quotes Love Is A Stranger by The Eurythmics. Was just listening to the latter for the first time in ages and it dawned on my that they both have repeated "And I Want You" sections and a shared lyrical theme.

That's a stretch.

[neorev]

Too bad And All The Could Have Been live DVD couldn't be reissued in better quality. I'm sure the original source video is better quality. I wonder if it could possibly get an HD re-release.

And speaking of the track And All That Could Have Been itself, as well as the other Still tracks, I wish we could get a 24 bit remaster. I hope there is a second Fragile Deviation because from the sounds of it, it seemed like Trent had more music than the several instrumentals we got.

I'd love a huge super deluxe CD package with The Fragile original album remastered, the Deviation 1 instrumentals, another disc of Still and additional material, and a CD and HD Blu-ray reissue of the And All That Could Have Been live release. So 6 CDs and Blu-ray. It's doable. I wish bands would stop including DVD as a standard in deluxe packages. I think most folk moved on to Blu-ray by now. Amon Tobin did something interesting for his ISAM Live DVD. The DVD included an HD file that you could pull off to watch in better quality. So you got the best of both worlds on a single DVD.

But if anything, the song And All That Could Have Been needs a 24 bit remaster... for real.

It'll be awesome if after the albums, Trent reissued all of the singles. Or at least made packages for each album that brings all of the singles' b-sides/remixes together. The Downward Spiral could definitely have an awesome remix compilation album, if you took all of the Further Down The Spiral remixes and combined them with the Closer and March Of The Pigs singles plus any b-sides like Burn and Dead Souls.

There's so much great non-album material, I hope it gets some love as well and not just the albums.

[piggy]

I don't think the original source video for AATCHB is any better, because it was filmed using consumer grade mini DV cameras. In fact, there's some artifacting here and there that could potentially look even worse in an HD presentation. It would be great to have a Blu-ray version so that it's all on one disc with both the DTS and Dolby sound (and maybe some new extras, too) but the picture quality will most likely never improve.

[theimage13]

Too bad AATCHB is just riddled with continuity errors. I mean...little shit like "oops he's on the microphone with one tape spike and two shots later he's on the mic with two tape spikes, even though he never changed mics" is not a problem for me. But "oh hey, indoor concert - wait, no outdoors! - jk we're back inside again" kind of ruins the experience for me. The visuals for the tour and the overall direction of the VHS/DVD are great, but the lack of continuity makes it really distracting for me. I know some people don't notice or aren't bothered by that type of thing, but I have a hard time staying focused when things keep changing.

[eversonpoe]

my main issue with AATCHB as i've said before is the horrible audio artifacting on the CD release. how hard would it have been to properly dither the audio so that it hadn't happened?

[fillow]

AATCHB reissue can still be a thing, video quality isn't the only thing that can be improved.
They can patch the concert with some alternate shots/angles, add some missing songs from the tour (Somewhat Damaged, GDML, Even Deeper, The Fragile, I'm sure at least some of this was played at the filmed shows), add complete live footage for TDTWWA, throw in some rehearsal stuff.
I hope that one day they'll release an HQ update of that Somewhat Damaged clip from 1.0 tour, the one that's only available in shitty .mov quality.

[thevoid99]

I would like a new deluxe edition of AATCHB of not just the entire concert film remastered but more alternate footage, the entire 1.0 tour special from MTV and the 2.0 tour from MTV2 plus videos from The Fragile era and a new documentary about that whole period of making The Fragile to the release of AATCHB with interviews from Trent, Robin, Danny, Charlie, and others involved in that tour.

[Trento]

Ok, I will bet. This is only my opinion after listen/analyze lyrics. I don't think AV is a YZ prequel. I know a NIN happy ending is very rare, but the third EP will be about a revolution (Trent uses that word sometimes) and surely a victory, and it will sound like WT or a WT-YZ mix. The relationship with YZ will be simple: YZ (2022) is the imaginative reference of the revolution (remember the presence is something abstract), if they don't win against the hegemonic power, YZ will be come true.

[screwdriver]

two random thoughts:
1) I've been mainly listening to the new stuff on my commute (i.e., less than ideal). I had a chance to listen through w/ some nice headphones in a quiet room over the weekend and WOW. there is a LOT more compositional density to the new stuff than I had been thinking. really really well composed stuff -- not at all the surface level stuff I had sort of been thinking it was.
2) someone on here recently made a post to the effect of "hey, remember discipline? it's a great song." and... yeah, fuck -- whoever you were, you were SO RIGHT. it's SO FUCKING GOOD. been my jam the last few days. that's another one that I think I had sort of shoved into the "pretty surface level" and it is -- but there's also a real powerful economy to the songwriting.

[implanted_microchip]

I would just love it if a version of AATCHB was released that had the easter eggs available from menus instead of requiring DVD remote cheat codes. I can't even remember the last time I watched a DVD using an old school remote.

Beside You In Time is such a perfect song, the build of it with the steady percussion growing into the climax at the end is one of my favorite examples of Trent's build and release approach to compositions and is a great example of layering effectively rather than having too much shit going on at once. By the end every single distinct element is combining to create something more, and it's beautiful.

[wizfan]

I would just love a holographic version of AATCHB where Robin spills bottles of water all over my face.

[henryeatscereal]

Today i brushed my teeth to the rhythm of "The Wretched"

[slammy79]

In an effort to better organize, I have labeled my container of abandoned craft projects the "all that could have bin".

Also contemplating an enhancement to my trash bin that reads, "Give it to me I throw it away"

[Kulerage]

I'd be on my hands and knees all night until my wrists break in order to get a Hesitation Marks instrumental
Can't agree more. would love to see what mini-melodys are buried under his vocals.

[piggy]

In an effort to better organize, I have labeled my container of abandoned craft projects the "all that could have bin".

Also contemplating an enhancement to my trash bin that reads, "Give it to me I throw it away"
On one of my old computers, I had sampled a "throw it AWAAAAY" screamy vocal from that song and used it for the emptying the recycle bin sound.

[SM Rollinger]

On one of my old computers, I had sampled a "throw it AWAAAAY" screamy vocal from that song and used it for the emptying the recycle bin sound.
I had that too, and it played the intro to Ruiner Version when you launched windows. Probably Windows 98 IIRC

[sick among the pure]

I had that too, and it played the intro to Ruiner Version when you launched windows. Probably Windows 98 IIRC

Correct. I had the sound pack as well. Actually still use that Ruiner (version) intro for my ringtone.

[bgalbraith]

It's a Background World on repeat kinda day

[Microwave Jellyfish]

Rob has picked up some new hobbies, I guess.

[sheepdean]

Too bad AATCHB is just riddled with continuity errors. I mean...little shit like "oops he's on the microphone with one tape spike and two shots later he's on the mic with two tape spikes, even though he never changed mics" is not a problem for me. But "oh hey, indoor concert - wait, no outdoors! - jk we're back inside again" kind of ruins the experience for me. The visuals for the tour and the overall direction of the VHS/DVD are great, but the lack of continuity makes it really distracting for me. I know some people don't notice or aren't bothered by that type of thing, but I have a hard time staying focused when things keep changing.
Freddie Mercury did this in purpose for Rock Montreal because he hated video albums, and changes outfit mid song for different angles

So I shall believe TR was channeling Freddie, as I believe most days anyway

[Harry Seaward]

This (https://archive.org/details/remix-nin-com-audio-00140) is cool.

[Halo Infinity]

It's a Background World on repeat kinda day


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WSPb8vSTNI

[Kulerage]

This (https://archive.org/details/remix-nin-com-audio-00140) is cool.
Definitely undermentioned

[piggy]

I had no idea all that remix.nin.com shit was on archive.org, awesome find.

[ChipRock]

Love Is A Stranger
Yeah, not sure I can much of a connection there, but on the other hand it is a great song, and I wouldn't be too surprised if it has had a few plays in the Reznor household at some point over the years.

All the talk of AATCHB just makes me think more than ever I'd love to have a new official NIN live release. Especially after watching the Panorama footage - that was shot really well, and the band sound amazing. Now is the time.

[mewsick]

I really like AATCHB just the way it is . The continuity issues never really bothered me, it presents a glimpse of the tour as a whole rather than a particular show. Also any sound issues or not being HD and everything, kinda reflects the chaos and imperfection of what a nin show was back then. I did always hate having to change discs mid performance though, not sure why that was necessary .

[Halo Infinity]

Today i brushed my teeth to the rhythm of "The Wretched"
Thanks to With Teeth, I have brushed my teeth with both the album and the actual song in mind, mostly to the rhythm of "[AWITHA_TEETHA]". Even the album cover makes me think of any mint or mint flavored, right up there with toothpaste and mouthwash.

It also made me wonder about Nine Inch Nails fans that were also dentists. (Although, it has also lead me to think about the mechanical type of teeth in gears as well.)

[sweeterthan]

Brush your teeth, kids. You don't want them to end up as nin album artwork.


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[sonic_discord]

I really like AATCHB just the way it is . The continuity issues never really bothered me, it presents a glimpse of the tour as a whole rather than a particular show. Also any sound issues or not being HD and everything, kinda reflects the chaos and imperfection of what a nin show was back then. I did always hate having to change discs mid performance though, not sure why that was necessary .

It was necessary due to the capacity limitations of the DVD as a medium. That release predates dual-layer DVDs, which would have allowed for it to be on a single disc. I'd REALLY love for them to re-release all of the tour documentaries like what they're doing with the catalog on vinyl. Image if they surprised us with a remastered Closure, AATCHB, BYIT, and finally released Tension on blu-ray. If he's worried about not selling enough, they could make it a limited edition box set just for the fans. I'd be first in line with credit card in hand.

[dvdglss]

I did always hate having to change discs mid performance though, not sure why that was necessary .

I remember that the first time i saw AATCHB was at a Miami restaurant that converted into a club at some event called Poplife.

Anyways, they projected the show and felt like you were in a theater. there was a group there watching and as soon as Complication ended and the break happened, it was like a punch to the groups gut and everyone was smiling like holy crap that was good... and then the next disc went in and everyone was sucked back in... it was a cool experience. But for repeat viewings, it never had that same feeling. but to people i would show it to for the first time, i think that initial shock does affect them the same way. I tended to set a theater mood when i'd show it.

[henryeatscereal]

Brush your teeth, kids. You don't want them to end up as nin album artwork.

You made me think of my favorite NIN-shirt (from the ones i own):

http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/40/38/1612563263-nine-inch-nails-downward-spiral.jpg

[neorev]

http://funkyimg.com/i/2wfKC.jpg

[sonic_discord]

http://funkyimg.com/i/2wfKC.jpg


I've seen that before (back in 2013 probably) and it's cool, but it's missing the ultra buff Trent after he got the buzz cut. We need a new one added with the sunglasses/leather jacket/gloves look too.

[Halo Infinity]

And there's also the very slim Trent with a buzz cut in 1990, and 2002 Trent when AATCHB came out. He kind of had TDS hair, but mixed with facial hair and more built, but not yet as built as 2005 TR. But either way, that was a very good find. I almost forgot about that.

Oh shit. Ghosts I-IV and The Slip are missing too. O_O

[Harry Seaward]

I'd really love to hear more YZ live. I haven't heard "Me, I'm Not" or "Vessel" and I would love those. "Survivalism" is great, but it's not the best. "The Great Destroyer" would be a lot cooler if they went off script a bit during the breakdown and Atticus really just smashed some crazy glitchcore out, instead of generally copying the album sound. "In This Twilight" into "Zero-Sum" would be a really cool closer. I don't think "Hurt" should be cut, but it could come before those two.

[sweeterthan]

You made me think of my favorite NIN-shirt (from the ones i own):

http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/40/38/1612563263-nine-inch-nails-downward-spiral.jpg

Ha! This is my least favorite shirt! I have a terrible phobia about teeth. I've never been into any of the Nin artwork that includes it. I've had way too much unavoidable dental work. A family member found this shirt in a thrift store and got it for me. I smiled and said thank you but inside I was freaking out about the nightmares the shirt would give me.

[TheBang]

It was necessary due to the capacity limitations of the DVD as a medium. That release predates dual-layer DVDs, which would have allowed for it to be on a single disc.
That's not true. The first dual-layer DVD was Terminator 2, released on Oct. 22, 1997. By 2002, it was super mature, and every Hollywood movie release was dual-layer.

The point is moot anyway, because AATCHB uses dual-layer discs. I looked at it, and Disc 1 uses about 5 GiB, and Disc 2 is about 5.8 GiB. They're using a really high bitrate on the main video stream, about 9.8 Mbps. That's really close to the DVD-Video spec maximum of 10.08 Mbps. And frankly, probably unnecessary. The DVD authoring industry standard is usually to max out at about 8 Mbps. If they had just cut the bitrate about 20%, which would have made it more in-line with usual industry standards, the whole project could have fit on a single 8.5 GiB dual-layer disc, and there probably wouldn't have been any visible quality loss.

Alternatively, as it is authored, they could have fit the entire main feature on disc one, and put all the bonus content on disc 2, but then they couldn't have been cutesy and hidden the bonus video as easter eggs.

tl;dr I think poor authoring decisions were made.

[Halo Infinity]

While I have been used to waiting for long periods of time before each Nine Inch Nails release, this trilogy has me a bit more hyped up than usual. It can't seem to arrive any sooner. However, in spite of that, I'm also sometimes more interested in how the releases hold up afterwards, as much as I like to speculate as much as the next NIN fan. For instance, I know without the journey/process, we wouldn't have the destination/results, but the aftermath of things in general sometimes seemed to interest me much more. (Granted, it's also easy to say that once it's out there/comes to fruition and actually exists.)

Anyway, I just want to see how the trilogy will end up and hold up in the 2020s. Either way, it's a great way for NIN to end this decade, as well as wrapping up almost 30 years since Pretty Hate Machine came out. :)

(That, and I think I've been coming up with imaginary random set-lists of songs from Not The Actual Events and Add Violence *And whatever the third EP might be.* being performed side by side with songs from Pretty Hate Machine, Broken and The Downward Spiral, which I consider to be the classic trilogy.)

Oh, and while I can see Disappointed being used to refer to the delays and debacles of Firebrand/Sandbag deliveries, the lyric that really kept coming to mind was from Last's, "I know what's coming to me is never going to arrive." :p

[Exocet]

Has NIN become a more collaborative project now? Atticus seems to be the first legit second member of NIN...

Sort of like with Al Jourgenson and Paul Barker in Ministry between 1986-2003

[Tommy_Macbeth]

Oh, and while I can see Disappointed being used to refer to the delays and debacles of Firebrand/Sandbag deliveries, the lyric that really kept coming to mind was from Last's, "I know what's coming to me is never going to arrive." :p


Lmfao you just reminded me of when someone posted when the NTAE physical component got delayed for the 90th time a huge list of song titles/lyrics being changed to show how pissed we all were about how it was late.

[bobbie solo]

Has NIN become a more collaborative project now? Atticus seems to be the first legit second member of NIN...

Yeah man...it's official, and has been common knowledge for a long, long time. What rock you been under?

[sheepdean]

Has NIN become a more collaborative project now? Atticus seems to be the first legit second member of NIN...

Sort of like with Al Jourgenson and Paul Barker in Ministry between 1986-2003
I'd say no because it hasn't suddenly become anything, Atticus' name was on the writing credits a decade ago

[Shadaloo]

What the hell WAS that shirt thing he was wearing in the closer video made out of, anyway? Cotton? It looked like someone took a knife to a beige granny sweater.

[sweeterthan]

After saying last week that I don't want to pit my favorite nin songs against each other, I've decided:
Reptile < She's Gone Away



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[eversonpoe]

After saying last week that I don't want to pit my favorite nin songs against each other, I've decided:
Reptile < She's Gone Away



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http://i67.tinypic.com/v4ov3r.jpg

[SarahConnor]

Buddy of mine just sent me this article criticizing a lot of the stuff Trent said in that recent Vulture interview: https://melmagazine.com/trent-reznor-brilliant-artiste-or-giant-baby-ab102e6bf11b

I'm from the 90's, and agreed with alot of Reznor's complaints. No, I don't get Drake. I get non-rock forms of music just fine. Drake's insistence on being a regular dude and establishing this with basic, boring music (not to be confused with simple, beautiful music) frustrates me. Fuck, I was within earshot of his Coachella show, it was the emperor's clothes. I don't want art to explore his themes; conspicuous consumption, hubris, false modesty. There is a real difference in 90's dwellers' seeking visceral experience and how transcendence is found, now.

[Dryalex12]

https://youtu.be/tHMEu-8t-sc

Just got done doing this

[Tyson]

Buddy of mine just sent me this article criticizing a lot of the stuff Trent said in that recent Vulture interview: https://melmagazine.com/trent-reznor-brilliant-artiste-or-giant-baby-ab102e6bf11b

Writer of the article sounds like a bit of a wank. Trent's answers sounded pretty balanced in that interview. He clearly stated he understood both sides of the coin, but in this day and age a balanced opinion isn't exactly something people can relate to, it seems, since most everyone thinks you either have to completely love something or outright hate it.

[WorzelG]

Writer of the article sounds like a bit of a wank. Trent's answers sounded pretty balanced in that interview. He clearly stated he understood both sides of the coin, but in this day and age a balanced opinion is exactly something people can relate to, it seems, since most everyone thinks you either have to completely love something or outright hate it.
It's all about clickbait because journalism is in a worse state than music so they parcel up the interview with inflammatory headlines to get hits.

[Tyson]

Yeah, but the rest of the article was just as inflammatory as the headline. The whole thing just seemed like a young person not liking something an older person said, because they're old and they should "get with the times." Even though, from how I understood it, Trent was saying there was something special about the way people consumed music back in the day that a lot of younger people don't get to experience because of they way the world works now, and he would like to try to give people that experience. Which is why I assume he said this:


DIGITAL FORMATS AND STREAMING ARE GREAT AND CERTAINLY CONVENIENT, BUT THE IDEAL WAY I’D HOPE A LISTENER EXPERIENCE MY MUSIC IS TO GRAB A GREAT SET OF HEADPHONES, SIT WITH THE VINYL, DROP THE NEEDLE, HOLD THE JACKET IN YOUR HANDS LOOKING AT THE ARTWORK (WITH YOUR FUCKING PHONE TURNED OFF) AND GO ON A JOURNEY WITH ME.
-TRENT REZNOR

But, naturally, some people are looking to be offended by the least little thing, so they take it as an insult rather than an older person trying to share something they think might be an enjoyable experience.

[eversonpoe]

https://youtu.be/tHMEu-8t-sc

Just got done doing this

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/370-ETS-covers-NIN

[Dryalex12]

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/370-ETS-covers-NIN

didnt see it,

[blassster]

In TF:DE's booklet, there's a document in the background picture collage that mentions Prince of Darkness, Inc. Googled it for fun.

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_oh/900782
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_la/34497394F

[hobochic]

What the hell happened?

For over ten years NIN live has bugged me with bad spinning class habits like "Whoa!" "C'mon!" "Yeah!" "Whooo!"

Suddenly, Add Violence comes out, and it's all gone. Gone is the all that forced fill-in-every-silence-gap with energetic lame outbursts.

Good job, whoever helped Trent to work out those bad habits, good work, Trent, if you discovered it all by yourself.

NIN is awesome live again.

(The occasional YEAH! is obviously still awesome)

P.S. Occasional, Trent.

[Bachy]

I've been avoiding all set list spoilers so I really have no idea if he's been playing it. I'm really holding out hope to see "Right Where it Belongs" live.

[Bachy]

Got my Add Violence t-shirt. Of the 10+ NIN shirts I own, this is definitely in the Top 3.

[gorast]

The reissues have got me thinking of this lately: it's kind of surprising how little Interscope has done to take advantage of owning the rights to most of the NIN catalogue. Setting aside the 2008 TDS vinyl reissue and the Lights in the Sky concert film debacle, it really seems like they have zero interest in doing anything with NIN, like compiling a greatest hits album on their own and shitting that out. I know they tried and that Trent wrote Everything and Satellite for that project, but once those two songs led to HM it seems like they just gave up on putting a greatest hits out. And now they seem to be assisting in the vinyl reissues, even just by letting Trent make them. Just kind of interesting considering how contentious Trent's relationship was with them for so long.

[eversonpoe]

The reissues have got me thinking of this lately: it's kind of surprising how little Interscope has done to take advantage of owning the rights to most of the NIN catalogue. Setting aside the 2008 TDS vinyl reissue and the Lights in the Sky concert film debacle, it really seems like they have zero interest in doing anything with NIN, like compiling a greatest hits album on their own and shitting that out. I know they tried and that Trent wrote Everything and Satellite for that project, but once those two songs led to HM it seems like they just gave up on putting a greatest hits out. And now they seem to be assisting in the vinyl reissues, even just by letting Trent make them. Just kind of interesting considering how contentious Trent's relationship was with them for so long.

it seems like he and jimmy are back on good terms...is jimmy no longer involved in interscope?

[gorast]

It looks like Iovine completely left Interscope in 2014 according to this (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/john-janick-replaces-jimmy-iovine-707662). Maybe the new management reached out to him, or he was more willing to work with them on projects like the reissues. It certainly seems like Interscope has zero real involvement with the reissues besides having their logo on them.

[Microwave Jellyfish]

What the hell happened?

For over ten years NIN live has bugged me with bad spinning class habits like "Whoa!" "C'mon!" "Yeah!" "Whooo!".
There's still plenty of "Hey!"-s to go around.

To be fair, I always smile at that one moment from the 2014 Manchester gig when right before 1,000,000 he shouts a weird mix of "yeah" and "hey", and it ends up something like "ye-heeey!" It sounds so uncharacteristically cheerful, like a kid screaming "yay!"

[gabardner]

just looked that up, and I gotta say, I was not let down

[nooneimportant]

There's still plenty of "Hey!"-s to go around.

To be fair, I always smile at that one moment from the 2014 Manchester gig when right before 1,000,000 he shouts a weird mix of "yeah" and "hey", and it ends up something like "ye-heeey!" It sounds so uncharacteristically cheerful, like a kid screaming "yay!"

I love when he gives it the echo treatment in shows. There's a moment on one of the LITS shows where he does it during Head Down and it's like "Too late for that! Oh-oh-oh-ohaugh-gaughg-aughaoguhg-WHOA!"

[Papagolash]

What the hell happened?

For over ten years NIN live has bugged me with bad spinning class habits like "Whoa!" "C'mon!" "Yeah!" "Whooo!"

Suddenly, Add Violence comes out, and it's all gone. Gone is the all that forced fill-in-every-silence-gap with energetic lame outbursts.

Good job, whoever helped Trent to work out those bad habits, good work, Trent, if you discovered it all by yourself.

NIN is awesome live again.

(The occasional YEAH! is obviously still awesome)

P.S. Occasional, Trent.


Thought I was the only one that noticed this, and totally agree with your assessment.

[ManBurning]

Deviations

Dammit, Deviations got it's own halo number? Bloody hell. Now I regret not picking it up in Bakersfield.

[kargath]

Dammit, Deviations got it's own halo number? Bloody hell. Now I regret not picking it up in Bakersfield.Ask in the buy/sell/trade. Petty sure you'll find people willing to sell a copy.

[richardp]

What is going on here (https://1992gear.com/products/nin-broken)

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0287/1158/products/e399df3c236d0bd1a2ea6e12f19d942a_1024x1024.jpeg?v= 1425933971

There's one for Fixed too (https://1992gear.com/products/nin-fixed)

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0287/1158/products/48b05e06d420a979e937f61fa131ee2e_1024x1024.jpeg?v= 1425934110

I lol'd.

[Harry Seaward]

There was a guy selling shirts outside after the Bakersfield show. I walked up and quite a few people were getting their wallets out and counting money, so I looked at the shirt more closely and it said "NINE IN NAILS" on the back. I told the people and they laughed, thanked me, and walked off. Dude selling the shirts first played dumb like "Oh wow, that's weird. I dunno man, typo I guess." and then once all his customers walked away, he gave me quite the death glare lmao.

[bobbie solo]

I low key think those are pretty dope actually. Other than the fact that they appear to be bootlegs. Better than any of the current merch available imo.

[eversonpoe]

I low key think those are pretty dope actually. Other than the fact that they appear to be bootlegs. Better than any of the current merch available imo.

but the lyrics are from the fragile, which came out in 1999, and the shirt is all like "nineteen ninety two is the BEST, y'all!" also, why would you want printing on the sleeves like that?

[Shadaloo]

Perhaps these are for another unrelated band. Yes. Similar to THE Nine inch Nails, we now have "Nine Nails". Not to be confused with TR's work. Clearly.

[FULLMETAL]

Pantone released a color to honor Prince:
https://www.pantone.com/images/pages/21326/prince-announces-pantone-custom-color-purple.jpg

If they did the same thing for NIN, what color do you think they should use?
https://i.imgur.com/uOUfkVu.jpg

[mostlymad]

Pantone released a color to honor Prince:
https://www.pantone.com/images/pages/21326/prince-announces-pantone-custom-color-purple.jpg

If they did the same thing for NIN, what color do you think they should use?
https://i.imgur.com/uOUfkVu.jpg

Gray would be the color... heh.

[Jon]

but the lyrics are from the fragile, which came out in 1999, and the shirt is all like "nineteen ninety two is the BEST, y'all!" also, why would you want printing on the sleeves like that?

To better match the dope new pants you'd buy also:

http://www.80sfashion.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Zubaz.jpg

[pcpunk]

exquisite red, mushroom blue, fist fuck beige, violet fluid...

[eversonpoe]

exquisite red, mushroom blue, fist fuck beige, violet fluid...

...why beige? you know what, never mind. i don't want to know.

[eversonpoe]

To better match the dope new pants you'd buy also:

http://www.80sfashion.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Zubaz.jpg

not going to lie, i'd totally wear those as pajama pants

[xfocalinx]

It is very hard to avoid spoilers of the Add Violence Physical Component and NTAE vinyl.

[bobbie solo]

but the lyrics are from the fragile, which came out in 1999, and the shirt is all like "nineteen ninety two is the BEST, y'all!" also, why would you want printing on the sleeves like that?

I might not actually purchase one of these, but I think that printing and the rest goes along with the more hip hop influenced style of the line, plus that's obviously the audience they're going for.

[slammy79]

Didn't know if this belongs here or the Trump YZ thread.

For years, I've been contemplating writing up a story directly related to Year Zero. You could probably call it fanfiction; you might even call it a spec script. But now I'm feeling like, well, we're going to be living all of it soon enough anyway.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/avatar_1185497d4b26_128.png

[butter_hole]

He looks unshowered

[Krazy]

He looks unshowered

I was gonna make a snarky comment something along the lines of "of course, he always does/see Woodstock 1994"...

but youre right! He looks in need of a shower/shampoo/soap LOL.

[nooneimportant]

The official Kennedy Space Centre tweeted a pic of Trent
https://twitter.com/explorespaceksc/status/897522603224682498

I'm reminded of Meathead's music video for Every Day Is Exactly the Same where Trent goes into space while singing Rocket Man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS4oo0H3Aa8

[Jon]

It's kind of disappointing having to stalk around reddit and Facebook groups to see any meaty NIN conversations. Fuddy-duddy.

[joplinpicasso]

I've been listening to Genesis's Invisible Touch again recently, and I finally notice a straaange similarity between "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" and "Sanctified." Had late-80s/early-90s TR ever mentioned Genesis/Phil Collins as one of his influences besides the usual suspects (New Wave, industrial, etc.)? You can almost hum the "Sanctified" bass and sing the verses to the song over it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MWe2_WYcEs

[tony.parente]

...why beige? you know what, never mind. i don't want to know.
Because of the poo.

[eversonpoe]

I've been listening to Genesis's Invisible Touch again recently, and I finally notice a straaange similarity between "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" and "Sanctified." Had late-80s/early-90s TR ever mentioned Genesis/Phil Collins as one of his influences besides the usual suspects (New Wave, industrial, etc.)? You can almost hum the "Sanctified" bass and sing the verses to the song over it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MWe2_WYcEs

no idea but i fuckin' love that song

[SM Rollinger]

I've been listening to Genesis's Invisible Touch again recently, and I finally notice a straaange similarity between "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" and "Sanctified." Had late-80s/early-90s TR ever mentioned Genesis/Phil Collins as one of his influences besides the usual suspects (New Wave, industrial, etc.)? You can almost hum the "Sanctified" bass and sing the verses to the song over it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MWe2_WYcEs

no idea but i fuckin' love that song

I love the version of it from this... (and the whole show, for that matter)


https://youtu.be/NrZuvCQsJfk

edit: no son of mine and jesus he knows me both own from this too

[Ribbitman]

1:02 of Pilgrimmage is amazing. Sounds like everything is coming down on the protagonist

[Halo Infinity]

This is very random, so I thought it would just go in here just like any of my other random NIN thoughts did. Anyway, it just occurred to me yet again, that a very faint portion of the music in the chorus of Various Methods Of Escape actually reminded me about the sound the item boxes make in just about any Mario Kart game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCCtppi8Ukw

[Ribbitman]

To this day, I have never heard a single cover of Closer where the person covering it got the synth after the chorus to sound the same. Always makes me laugh

[Endlessly]

Don't know if anyone else here listens to The Adventure Zone, but seeing as the current arc is lined up to end today -- every time Griffin describes it, I can't help thinking about how much the way The Hunger invades/manifests reminds me of The Presence.

[wizfan]

My lovely new hat.

http://i.imgur.com/R5ytGsH.jpg

[SM Rollinger]

/\/\
black on black? awesomeness

[Fred]

I really dig Maybe Just Once and Purest Feeling. Those songs were never going to work in a NIN context, but they're so goddamn catchy.

[henryeatscereal]

My lovely new hat.

http://i.imgur.com/R5ytGsH.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZDt4TNoKGkY/UzoiXgNNGuI/AAAAAAAATKc/xe0mID_a4zw/s1600/4_2+NCC+SpinalTap+Black_Album.png

[xfocalinx]

anxiously waiting for my NTAE vinyl, AV physical component, and Fragile Vinyl, no update with my tracking number..but i heard they may just show up before any progress on USPS.

[eversonpoe]

Closer (South African single) only $499.00! Act now! http://www.ebay.com/itm/192279568088?ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjYxWDgwMA==/z/kjAAAOSwQSxZlKgN/$_57.JPG?set_id=880000500F

uh, that's Blackbookpress1984

also, why are you posting this in NIN spotting and not in the marketplace?

[LOVEANDZOMBIES]

uh, that's @Blackbookpress1984 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=583)

also, why are you posting this in NIN spotting and not in the marketplace?

I'm not posting it to sell or help sell - I'm posting it because I "spotted" it online - and it seemed both NIN related and excessive in it's pricing. Though I'm sure it's worth what the right person is willing to pay for it.

[Kulerage]

To this day, I have never heard a single cover of Closer where the person covering it got the synth after the chorus to sound the same. Always makes me laugh
The string-like ones that sound like techno tones, or that guitar-like one?

[eversonpoe]

I'm not posting it to sell or help sell - I'm posting it because I "spotted" it online - and it seemed both NIN related and excessive in it's pricing. Though I'm sure it's worth what the right person is willing to pay for it.

that's not how the NIN spotting thread is supposed to work, but ok :p

[Ribbitman]

The string-like ones that sound like techno tones, or that guitar-like one?
right after "you get me closer to god"

[Shadaloo]

I got anxiety over the possibility that leaving vinyl shrink-wrapped might warp it, and finally opened my Year Zero LP last night after years stashed away.

It's fine. :)

[pcpunk]

Now you guys have me worried. I'm gonna go open all my vinyl now, just to be sure it's all ok.

[Jon]

I got anxiety over the possibility that leaving vinyl shrink-wrapped might warp it, and finally opened my Year Zero LP last night after years stashed away.

It's fine. :)


Now you guys have me worried. I'm gonna go open all my vinyl now, just to be sure it's all ok.

I usually cut an "H" shape into the shrinkwrap from the back. All the way across the center back of the wrap, then a small cut up and down on both sides. This allows you to still use the shrinkwrap without the normal pressure.

Alternately, you can cut across the center back of the wrap, and then put a slice in all four corners. I prefer the "H" shape because it's easier to get the vinyl in/out.

[Kyle]

Trent Reznor: Brilliant Artiste or Giant Baby

http://www.melmagazine.com/trent-reznor-brilliant-artiste-or-giant-baby-ab102e6bf11b

While I think that article is kinda ridiculous, if it wasn't ridiculous it still doesn't mean he can't be both

[jmtd]

Just saw some interesting fake/bootleg Blu Ray Ghosts releases on eBay, all from Russia. I won't bother linking.

Some other CA-based seller is sellign Deluxe Ghosts for $90; but what got me is they've sold 41 already. Jesus! they've been sitting on nearly 50 of them.

[Bachy]

I had NIN on shuffle in my car (as usual), and "You Know What You Are" came on. Outside of THTF, RWIB, Only, EDIETS, and ATLITW, I really don't listen to the album as much as I should. There really are some pretty great tracks on there.

[muse-lyre candy]

Road trip to socal has commenced. Last time it was to see NIN a few short wks ago.

[niggo]

I liked the new nin.com design but seriously -- it's fucking slow und inefficient. My browser has to download almost 30MB (!) to open up the first news page. That's not how you should be coding websites at all. Normally I wouldn't care, but since there are regular news and updates it's really worth visiting nin.com again.

[gorast]

It's definitely too resource-heavy. I feel like they could get the same style without it taking so long to load on a good connection. I shouldn't ever have to see the loading indicator.

[xfocalinx]

anxiously waiting for my NTAE vinyl, AV physical component, and Fragile Vinyl, no update with my tracking number..but i heard they may just show up before any progress on USPS.
Just recieved them today! :)

[Bachy]

After watching The Defiant Ones, I must say, that Steve Gottlieb seems like a real prick.

Eat your heart out, Steve.

[thevoid99]

After watching The Defiant Ones, I must say, that Steve Gottlieb seems like a real prick.

Eat your heart out, Steve.

I think prick is understating it. He's a douche.

[Blackbookpress1984]

I'm not posting it to sell or help sell - I'm posting it because I "spotted" it online - and it seemed both NIN related and excessive in it's pricing. Though I'm sure it's worth what the right person is willing to pay for it.

I posted that in the auctions thread when i listed it. Really not sure what they go for these days so i figured I'd aim high. you can always lower your price, but youcan't raise it.

[eversonpoe]

I think prick is understating it. He's a douche.

i think douche is understating it. he's a turd. :p

seriously, though, i think it's HILARIOUS when people are filmed for things and then claim the editing made them look bad. it happens a lot on drag race; when a queen is just a jerk to EVERYONE ALL THE TIME and then gets eliminated and complains on twitter that they got a "bad edit." honey, no, you're just an asshole and you got caught on camera being an asshole. own up to it.

[thevoid99]

i think douche is understating it. he's a turd. :p

seriously, though, i think it's HILARIOUS when people are filmed for things and then claim the editing made them look bad. it happens a lot on drag race; when a queen is just a jerk to EVERYONE ALL THE TIME and then gets eliminated and complains on twitter that they got a "bad edit." honey, no, you're just an asshole and you got caught on camera being an asshole. own up to it.

Exactly. I want to call him some of the worst things you can say. He's really a scumbag. I hope there's a special place in Hell for him.

[Amaro]

Edit. Wrong thread. NIN is cool. Travis Scott digs NIN.

[elevenism]

I'm surprised and a little disappointed that the new nin hasn't been as blatantly political as YZ.
Maybe the third ep will be.

[nooneimportant]

I really want We're In This Together to be played live again. I like the live version alot more than the album version. Don't get me wrong the album version is nice and all but it just hits harder in a live setting.

[cheddamash]

^^^ I don’t recall TR “disowning” AATCHB at all. That’s out of left field for me.

[xfocalinx]

"Live 2013 EP" is REALLY good. I wish he'd release more seeds like this. "Came back Haunted" From lollapalooza is HYPE

[Kulerage]

^^^ I don’t recall TR “disowning” AATCHB at all. That’s out of left field for me.
The Q&A's from 2004 have him saying something similar to this: "i can't watch it at all. i was sick for most of that tour and i really don't think it was nine inch nails at it's best -- i was certainly not at MY best."

https://web.archive.org/web/20070514173115/http://www.nin.com/access/7_21_04/index.php

[eik]

In light of the 'new' AV and NTAE material, and a full tour at the horizon, just watched the official ninVEVO videos from Dec 2013 of The Big Come Down into While I'm Still Here again... fuckin' A, simply just got blown away...

[jubilee]

I think the live version of Sanctified from 2013 / Tension is one of the most exciting and enjoyable things NIN-wise I've listened to over the last 4 years. And I love the recent EPs.

[eversonpoe]

In light of the 'new' AV and NTAE material, and a full tour at the horizon, just watched the official ninVEVO videos from Dec 2013 of The Big Come Down into While I'm Still Here again... fuckin' A, simply just got blown away...

why did you put "new" in quotes?

[eik]

why did you put "new" in quotes?

First of, I find the new material absolutely stunning. However, to get a proper grip on them (and I'm not talking digital) is another story, as you and plenty others mentioned. I only received my NTAE vinyl this week (ordered back last December) and have it on permanent rotation since then. Still, it doesn't feel that new anymore with all the strings attached in the ordering process (not mentioning my problems with TF Deviations 1 here). Let's see for the AV vinyl...

[eversonpoe]

First of, I find the new material absolutely stunning. However, to get a proper grip on them (and I'm not talking digital) is another story, as you and plenty others mentioned. I only received my NTAE vinyl this week (ordered back last December) and have it on permanent rotation since then. Still, it doesn't feel that new anymore with all the strings attached in the ordering process (not mentioning my problems with TF Deviations 1 here). Let's see for the AV vinyl...

ah, i thought you were implying (like some others have) that parts of the new EPs were actually recorded during previous sessions and weren't completely new (which i disagree with completely). thanks for clearing that up!

[Ribbitman]

The dun dun dun part of Ruiner, and the noise in the background (I have always said it reminds me of a water faucet dripping, idk why) never fails to give me goosebumps

[Ribbitman]

The first and last words of Pretty Hate Machine

God money I'll do anything for you

and

Do something for me

always thought this was cool

[nooneimportant]

The dun dun dun part of Ruiner, and the noise in the background (I have always said it reminds me of a water faucet dripping, idk why) never fails to give me goosebumps

I noticed that the "wind" noise that plays throughout is very similar in The Lovers and Not Anymore. It always reminds me of a horror movie or something, infact alot of TDS is very dark sounding and I love that shit. Trent and Flood really knew what they were doing on that album.

[botley]

I think the live version of Sanctified from 2013 / Tension is one of the most exciting and enjoyable things NIN-wise I've listened to over the last 4 years. And I love the recent EPs.
I was really pleased that they brought it back this year for the surprise NYC show. I only got to see it in 2014 when Ilan was playing the bass part, would have been amazing to hear Pino tackle it in his style as he did on some of the Tension shows (not the one I saw, unfortunately).

[Tommy_Macbeth]

I noticed that the "wind" noise that plays throughout is very similar in The Lovers and Not Anymore. It always reminds me of a horror movie or something, infact alot of TDS is very dark sounding and I love that shit. Trent and Flood really knew what they were doing on that album.

I love walking late at night while listening to Not The Actual Events and Add Violence, it makes the atmosphere within the songs so much more real and exciting, it makes songs like She's Gone Away, Not Anymore, The Lovers etc very scary in a good way

[Bajoobatron]

I love walking late at night while listening to Not The Actual Events and Add Violence, it makes the atmosphere within the songs so much more real and exciting, it makes songs like She's Gone Away, Not Anymore, The Lovers etc very scary in a good way


I did this early in the summer, before AV came out. Decided at 2am to walk a mile to the closest gas station while listening to NTAE. It really is a different atmosphere doing it that way.

[Haysey_Draws]

Now this is turly random.

In one of my many 'strange' dreams i was part of an 80s/90s movie wherein a bunch of teens are killed in a remote location by witches (stay with me).
I escaped by flying away keeping low to the ground so as not to be noticed but everyone else was killed.
Now in order to bring them back i had to figure out the truth of death, which is that the afterlife is a combination of 2 records you last listened to. Once i realized this i figured out i was the one who died, not the others, and was here to warn everyone. But not before the last record i listened to, Deviations, had come back to kill me. Seriously the record had half a head with empty white eyes and long, uneven teeth it used to constantly rip into me and anyone who got close...then i woke up.

...i look at my Deviations LP rather differently now.

[Halo Infinity]

The first and last words of Pretty Hate Machine

God money I'll do anything for you

and

Do something for me

always thought this was cool
And even more so when you include the "Devil's flesh and bone" part.

[muse-lyre candy]

And even more so when you include the "Devil's flesh and bone" part.
reading that made me feel a bit randy... meow
:rolleyes:

[pinata89]

I'm surprised and a little disappointed that the new nin hasn't been as blatantly political as YZ.
Maybe the third ep will be.

I find myself feeling opposite to this. While I do agree that I'm also surprised it is not as politically-charged as I expected (especially since it alludes connections to Year Zero and the ARG), I am very thankful it is not.

[blassster]

I find myself feeling opposite to this. While I do agree that I'm also surprised it is not as politically-charged as I expected (especially since it alludes connections to Year Zero and the ARG), I am very thankful it is not.

Same. YZ already gave us the head-on political stuff, and based near current era (with some things eventually becoming true or near-true). It could risk repetition, or going too close to ideas already explored.

[paul_guyet]

I get the feeling that Aaron and Twiggy teased Alessandro when they all toured together.

[neorev]

Anyone here reading the little blurbs in the NIN discography?

I thought And All That Could Have Been has an interesting description and wonder what Trent means by "WORKING ON IT" when he brings up being out of print. Will we be getting a reissue?

Also Besides You In Time says "THE VIDEO PORTION EXISTS SOMEWHERE."

[Microwave Jellyfish]

Re-watching Joe's Apartment after God knows how many years tonight, and whoah. Nice shirt.

http://i.imgur.com/fznSXtD.png

[sick among the pure]

I miss The Hole.

[hani]

The Q&A's from 2004 have him saying something similar to this: "i can't watch it at all. i was sick for most of that tour and i really don't think it was nine inch nails at it's best -- i was certainly not at MY best."

https://web.archive.org/web/20070514173115/http://www.nin.com/access/7_21_04/index.php

so it's not as much disowning as it's just being and artist and growing from some of your past aesthetic choices I guess

[hani]

I get the feeling that Aaron and Twiggy teased Alessandro when they all toured together.

the bullies always get to the gay kids lol

[sonic_discord]

so it's not as much disowning as it's just being and artist and growing from some of your past aesthetic choices I guess

With all due respect, I don't think it has anything to do with aesthetic choices. He remembers what state of mind he was in and can probably remember or at least tell by watching himself what he felt like back then and how fucked up he was. It's just not enjoyable to see video footage of yourself from the worst period of your life. I wouldn't say disowning as much as not wanting to revisit the past and be reminded of that time in his life.

[Bachy]

I am the bullet in the gun.

[EndlessLoveless]

Random nin thought while stoned: has the word MONEY been used in a nine inch nails song since head like a hole? With all the call backs lately, I think he should get some on part 3.

[hani]

With all due respect, I don't think it has anything to do with aesthetic choices. He remembers what state of mind he was in and can probably remember or at least tell by watching himself what he felt like back then and how fucked up he was. It's just not enjoyable to see video footage of yourself from the worst period of your life. I wouldn't say disowning as much as not wanting to revisit the past and be reminded of that time in his life.

well yes, also, but that we don't know for sure. we know, but do we *know*? :D
http://38.media.tumblr.com/ad877e9f4a83c4683c8eb9e1ffae28af/tumblr_inline_n9lrtgnJE31qzuegb.gif

[xolotl]

Random nin thought while stoned: has the word MONEY been used in a nine inch nails song since head like a hole? With all the call backs lately, I think he should get some on part 3.

It has not! http://apocalyptech.com/ninlyrics/index.php?text=money&min_words=&max_words=&min_albums=&max_albums=&min_songs=2&max_songs=&albums_restrict=on

[botley]

An alleged Charlie Clouser responds to the making of Starfuckers (sounds/looks too legit to not be him)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/6xbd7i/starfuckers_inc/
Not enough 'nucca's

[HurtinMinorKey]

Not enough 'nucca's


If it's not him then he's going to great lengths to play the imposter. There's a lot of detail in there, some of which I had never read before, so it seems like something you could check on.

[botley]

If it's not him then he's going to great lengths to play the imposter. There's a lot of detail in there, some of which I had never read before, so it seems like something you could check on.
Thanks, I already did and was making a joke about it.

[_T_B_W_]

NIN T-Shirt spotted during WWE.com photo shoot in New York City's Chinatown @ 0:37 seconds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwWdsnho_XM&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=37s

http://i.imgur.com/0vgyG15l.jpg (https://imgur.com/0vgyG15)

I do love me some Bliss, but it would've been major cooler if it was Nikki Cross.

[xfocalinx]

I do love me some Bliss, but it would've been major cooler if it was Nikki Cross.

I have the biggest crush on Alexa Bliss

[_T_B_W_]

I have the biggest crush on Alexa Bliss

She's definitely on my Fave 5

[henryeatscereal]

I have the biggest crush on Alexa Bliss
Ditto!
This makes me love her even more!

[thevoid99]

Who doesn't love Alexa Bliss? She is so cool.

[Amaro]

Sometimes I like to pretend Lenny Kravitz is doing backup vocals after the guitar solo in "The Wretched".

[Ribbitman]

The very ending of Right Where it Belongs always makes me want to tear up… those piano notes. Feels like Trent was finally free after all the shit through Broken, TDS, Fragile

[alfonso99]

Hi Trent, Closure turns 20 this year, so i have a very simple request: why the fuck don't you throw into fucking pirate bay the fucking complete further down the spiral show that never saw the fucking light? we know you still fucking have it since you added some mr self destruct footage to the fucking closure apendage...thanks! :D

[TheBang]

So, I made an interesting discovery today. The "DJ Edit" of Wish on Demos & Remixes is not the "No Bad Words Mix" which is the US radio edit. Rather, it is the "Radio Edit" which is longer, censored differently, and exclusive to UK promo vinyl.

That means tracks 10-12 on Demos & Remixes are all UK exclusive. As such, it's not unreasonable to hypothesize that the compiler of the bootleg lives in the U.K. Following that train of thought, I think it's possible that the leaked demos from tracks 1-5 came from the London sessions at Blackwing Studios with John Fryer, from someone who had access to them there.

[gorast]

I was looking over my TDS Definitive Edition today, and it made me realize something that made me feel really dumb.

For the longest time, I thought that the text on the outer sleeve of TDS (I have the BMG edition (http://nincatalog.com/the-downward-spiral/the-downward-spiral-us-cd-292/)) was purple. A very dark purple. I thought it was an interesting touch, and a complement to the blue text in the booklet - two colors that you might not expect to be associated with an album like TDS.

But now that I'm looking at the DE, I realized that it's always been just...brown. Something about the way the original is printed made it look purplish to me and I just accepted that, until today. Weird.

[NotoriousTIMP]

I was looking over my TDS Definitive Edition today, and it made me realize something that made me feel really dumb.

For the longest time, I thought that the text on the outer sleeve of TDS (I have the BMG edition (http://nincatalog.com/the-downward-spiral/the-downward-spiral-us-cd-292/)) was purple. A very dark purple. I thought it was an interesting touch, and a complement to the blue text in the booklet - two colors that you might not expect to be associated with an album like TDS.

But now that I'm looking at the DE, I realized that it's always been just...brown. Something about the way the original is printed made it look purplish to me and I just accepted that, until today. Weird.

There actually is a variant with purple text (if I remember correctly) that is the Dutch version of TDS on vinyl.

[SarahConnor]

Really enjoying the Panorama webcast today; 'Less Than' is the mashing of 'Copy' and 'Hand that Feeds.' Ground-breaking it is not but frankly a band has to bring the bangers. This is kind of similarity is fine from my critical perspective as long as tracks like 'This isn't the Place' explore odd timing and keyboard textures.

YouTube commenters point out that Ross is adding details to things like the coda of 'Pigs.' Something sounding fresher, this must be it. Also a subtle surprise- the Closer piano coda with the meek, falsetto chorus is new and nicely done. I saw 'Copy' during the Tension Tour, this version has muscular drum fills, different delays on the vocal and lacks for sleekness, but its now rock and not minimal techno. Still think single edits of this one and 'Low' could've been radio hits.

'Gave Up' is ending and the band is getting free with the noise. Being a viewer of hundreds of noise shows and auxillary (Sp) player in a couple acts, I fully support NIN extending this kind of coda for minutes more.

Gorgeous cover of Bowie. Seems like 'Lovers' will replace 'Find my Way' as the weirdly IDM-influenced ballad. Wish (ahem) that a different dirge would replace 'Reptile,' never been a fan. 'She's Gone Away' would sound great in its place. Hopefully I will experience 'Burning Bright' on an amphitheater scale soundsystem someday, its an arena rock song congealed in Sludge metal (a la the Body). I find it very uplifting.

Back to the show

[SarahConnor]

Now I'm onto this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4sP1CTuIjs

In retrospect, this tour seems legendary. However at the time it got a lukewarm reception yeah? I tried to round-up some friends to make an 8-hour round trip to St. Louis, on a school night no less, no takers. But wow that show would've set teen SarahConnor on a different path I'm sure. Too bad the tee shirts on eBay are pretty grim looking or else I'd buy one.

[eversonpoe]

...as long as tracks like 'This isn't the Place' explore odd timing and keyboard textures...

ok, you're the second person i've seen mention an "odd timing" aspect to "this isn't the place" and i'm really confused because that song is in straight 3/4 time. is there something i'm missing, or are y'all hallucinating? :p

[TheBang]

ok, you're the second person i've seen mention an "odd timing" aspect to "this isn't the place" and i'm really confused because that song is in straight 3/4 time. is there something i'm missing, or are y'all hallucinating? :p
I think they're talking about the 3/4 against 6/8 that becomes prominent at about 1:11 through 1:58, and then returns again later. (The song is 6/8, btw, not 3/4.)

[acrid avid jam shred]

The very ending of Right Where it Belongs always makes me want to tear up… those piano notes. Feels like Trent was finally free after all the shit through Broken, TDS, Fragile

That ending always gets to me too. Those quavering piano notes end With Teeth in such a perfect way.

[mauro995]

Burning Bright might have become my favourite NIN song, and the truth, I did not expect this at this point in Trent's career.

[sweeterthan]

Burning Bright might have become my favourite NIN song, and the truth, I did not expect this at this point in Trent's career.

Yes! I feel that way about that song and she's gone away. SGA is one of the juiciest nin songs ever. It drips of sexy synths, hypnotic drums and trent screaming. So damn good.

[HWB]

The very ending of Right Where it Belongs always makes me want to tear up… those piano notes. Feels like Trent was finally free after all the shit through Broken, TDS, Fragile

oh my god, I thought the same thing, those ending piano notes just feel like a release from pain that has gonne on for far too long. It always makes me tear up just thinking about it for some reason.

[eversonpoe]

I think they're talking about the 3/4 against 6/8 that becomes prominent at about 1:11 through 1:58, and then returns again later. (The song is 6/8, btw, not 3/4.)

differentiating between 3/4 and 6/8 time is all about semantics, though, and more about personal perception.

[TheBang]

differentiating between 3/4 and 6/8 time is all about semantics, though, and more about personal perception.
No, it's not simply multiplying by 2, and it's not about your feelings. This is music theory, and those two time signatures have different rhythms. If you don't know what the difference is, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzzQWMGCvHM

[eversonpoe]

No, it's not simply multiplying by 2, and it's not about your feelings. This is music theory, and those two time signatures have different rhythms. If you don't know what the difference is, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzzQWMGCvHM

welp, guess my guitar teacher in high school explained that to me backwards because i've gone the last 15 years thinking it was the opposite. i think the problem is also that, when i record in protools, whether i'm doing 3/4 or 6/8 time, i always set the meter at 3/4 so my measures aren't super long (makes it easier to edit later, if necessary). sorry for throwing misinformation out there and thanks for clearing that up for me.

[Papagolash]

I don't know how I never came across this till tonight


https://youtu.be/t9wqzea1MKQ

[ChipRock]

So, I made an interesting discovery today...
Damn. For ages I've been looking out for rips of those promo edits, but never thought to look on one of those bootleg compilations - I'd always dismissed them for one reason or another. That'll teach me.
Thanks for the info. Now to track down a copy...

[TheBang]

Damn. For ages I've been looking out for rips of those promo edits, but never thought to look on one of those bootleg compilations - I'd always dismissed them for one reason or another. That'll teach me.
Thanks for the info. Now to track down a copy...
Just keep in the mind that the rips are OK, but the record player was the wrong speed (too slow). I forget exactly how much I had to speed them up (4-5%?) but you can gauge it by ear, comparing to the album version, if you have a good ear for pitch.

[quietime]

I would really love it if A Minute to Breathe would make it on the setlist one day and get the same treatment as Hurt, Eraser and Right Where it Belongs in a live setting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwwQ4uVGGSE

[sheepdean]

I would really love it if A Minute to Breathe would make it on the setlist one day and get the same treatment as Hurt, Eraser and Right Where it Belongs in a live setting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwwQ4uVGGSE
I'd like to see it as an opener personally

[sick among the pure]

A Minute To Breathe is Trent's best non-NIN song. Disagree all you want, you know it's true. So fucking beautiful.

[piggy]

Girl you know it's true, ooh ooh ooh, I love you....

Sorry. Every time someone says "you know it's true" I always break into that song lyric. EVERY TIME.

[Prettybrokenspiral]

A Minute to Breathe is fine, but is hardly his best non-NIN track.

Technically Missing, Ice Age, How Long or And When The Sky Was Opened are all far superior..

[sick among the pure]

A Minute to Breathe is fine, but is hardly his best non-NIN track.

Technically Missing, Ice Age, How Long or And When The Sky Was Opened are all far superior..

https://images.angelpub.com/2017/17/43589/the-dude.jpg

[TheBang]

I'd not seen this before, but 3:25-3:42 documents Trent's seldom-mentioned flannel phase.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws1YbZbhdl4

[sweeterthan]

I'd not seen this before, but 3:25-3:42 documents Trent's seldom-mentioned flannel phase.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws1YbZbhdl4

Is it flannel? Looks more like a cotton button down to me.

[TheBang]

Is it flannel? Looks more like a cotton button down to me.
Probably, but this is 1990, so it makes me giddy to imagine Trent dabbling in grunge.

[sweeterthan]

Probably, but this is 1990, so it makes me giddy to imagine Trent dabbling in grunge.

I like that he's playing a guitar with f holes on a metal song. Innovator!

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

Trent has dabbled in grunge before. Flannel shirt, black t shirt under and army jacket..Vedder would be proud

https://images.vice.com/noisey/content-images/contentimage/18297/33%20500full.jpg

[Microwave Jellyfish]

^The Americans video is just a Taxi Driver reference though, he was wearing Travis Bickle's wardrobe updated to the 90s.

[TheRealNs1]

My father had 2 Iowa Hawkeyes ones made for relatives from YETI Custom Shop (http://yeticustomshop.com/). You can upload your own logos/images for an additional charge.

The logo/design is laser-etched into a solid black cup, exposing the unpainted metal beneath. It's then sealed/finished in whatever process they use.

looks like everyone's getting a custom yeti cup for xmas.

[blassster]

Current NIN site is one of the worst they've ever had. The design is okay, but it runs like shit and the mobile version is buggy.

[tony.parente]

Current NIN site is one of the worst they've ever had. The design is okay, but it runs like shit and the mobile version is buggy.
It seems like band websites in general absolute blow lately, I guess we can blame that on facebook but still. I miss innovative band sites.

[DVYDRNS]

id like to see the actual quote where he disowns it.

[Harry Seaward]

You guys think TR makes them all dress like that off stage too?

[ChipRock]

Trent's seldom-mentioned flannel phase.

Pretty sure this was filmed at pretty much the same time as Head Like A Hole, by the same people. Same day and same venue possibly? Certainly both fucking brilliant songs anyway.

[fillow]

Alright, If I don't see a lossless vinyl rip of The Vietnam War score on teh interwebz at exactly 16:01, I'll be hugely disappointed.

[virushopper]

Watching the Panorama video again, it is still weird to me that Robin is playing Manson and Reverend Guitars as oppose the Les Pauls.

[sheepdean]

None of the 3 book stores in town carried Kerrang!, but I found it's pretty cheap from Newstand.co.uk (http://www.newsstand.co.uk/195-Rock-Music-Magazines/1461-Subscribe-to-KERRANG-Magazine-Subscription.aspx)... only $6 shipped to the US (make sure to select a single issue and not a subscription). Better than $15 from the turds on ebay. Figured others might be interested.
There are so many UK people on this board and y'all are looking at ebay

[cheddamash]

There are so many UK people on this board and y'all are looking at ebay

Ha! I mean I check ebay 40 times a day anyways... Had I not found a decent resource I probably would’ve asked around these parts. Bothering someone for $6 purchase seems shitty though.

[Xen]

Drunken thought of the night:

It would be pretty badass if a bunch of ex-NIN members formed a supergroup:

Vocals/Guitar - Richard Patrick
Bass - Danny Lohner
Keyboards - Chris Vrenna
Drums - Josh Freese
Programming/Mixing - Charlie Clouser
Producer - Alan Moulder

These guys would make some pretty dope music, and they can call themselves Filtweakworm.

[Bachy]

I love the line "I'm Jesus Fuck on ecstasy."

But I feel it would be better tweaked slightly to "I'm Jesus fucked on ecstasy."

[streetman]

I love the line "I'm Jesus Fuck on ecstasy."

But I feel it would be better tweaked slightly to "I'm Jesus fucked on ecstasy."

What are you referring to? In the actual song, it's "I'm Jesus CHRIST on ecstasy."

[Bachy]

In the live version he says, "I'm Jesus Fuck on ecstasy."

[TheBang]

I love the line "I'm Jesus Fuck on ecstasy."

But I feel it would be better tweaked slightly to "I'm Jesus fucked on ecstasy."
He does say fucked. Listen, for example, to the Woodstock bootleg.

[Bachy]

He does say fucked. Listen, for example, to the Woodstock bootleg.

I'm pretty sure it's "fuck."

[botley]

"She's Gone Away" going straight into The Platters on that new Twin Peaks soundtrack CD is, well, fucking genius; it rivals any of those bonkers segues from the Natural Born Killers OST. Kudos to the producers.

[cashpiles (closed)]

Why did Reznor call "Demon Seed", "Demon Seed"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_Seed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_Seed)