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Faceplams: DigitalChaos I understand that the presence of security barriers at the DNC offend you more than one keeping immigrants from joining us.
It's just that a lot of people are actually going to this convention.
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DigitalChaos I understand that the presence of security barriers at the DNC offend you more than one keeping immigrants from joining us.
It's just that a lot of people are actually going to this convention.
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And, you know, a wire fence around a convention center is really different from a massive wall with a BEAUTIFUL door across the entire Mexican-American border in literally every single way, but, hey -- that's being reasonable and not insane
I feel like I just watched Cory Booker cement his place as a future US President. I wish I was voting for him in November.
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I'm ranting on Facebook, and @Miss Baphomette suggested I share this here!
What a fascinating new era of propaganda!
I've been thinking for a while that the Sanders movement had been co-opted by the same promotional types that took over the Tea Party movement, setting in motion the disruption of the Republican party that seems to be peaking now (please, please let this be the peak of madness). Seeing the hashtag #DemExit being used non-ironically only solidifies this idea in my head. Considering the Murdoch media's support of the bonkers #Brexit movement, I think it's a pretty foolish look to adopt, but then I think it's pretty foolish for Sanders supporters to boo him about keeping his word over something he's been saying he'd do for as long as he's been a Democrat. Maybe you were a Sanders supporter a long time ago, but if you're booing him now, you've fallen in line with a story that Drudge and Breitbart sold you, and I think you lost the original plot. You're the liberal equivalent of the tea party, and that's nothing to be proud of.
On the other side of the political spectrum, over the last few years I'd noticed an increasingly sympathetic tone towards Putin from Republicans and conservative talking heads. The same type of people who, during the early Bush years, swore up and down that Russia was enemy #1, to the point of ignoring the bin Laden threat. During the Obama presidency, it trickled down to the masses, who made Facebook posts calling Putin a "real leader", retweeting stories from the RT network, perhaps oblivious to the fact that RT stands for "Russia Today", when not long ago, these same people boiled at the thought of any American being a Russian sympathizer.
These same folks, who seethe at the names Snowden and Manning, are now cheering the release of private information stolen by Russians from DNC servers (and they wonder why Clinton kept her own) with an orchestrated release set to best weaken the position of the party running against the presidential candidate who's suddenly peddling the bonkers notion that if Russia attacks countries in NATO, that we should only defend them "If they fulfill their obligations to us"
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Michelle is arguably a better speaker than Barack Obama.
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Yeah, FTFY.Originally Posted by emptydesk
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Booker to Michelle Obama to Warren. They tryna give me a heart attack tonight.
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And this is just night 1!
Night 1 of the RNC had, uhhhhhh ... Scott Baio and that Duck Dynasty dude?
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Michelle for GOAT.
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Also, some of these delegates protesting on the floor are being so extra.
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#1 - Russia has not been properly attributed to the hack
#2 - You point out that some entity is trying to manipulate the election outcome with the hack but ignore the fact that the DNC is another entity that manipulated the election outcome.
#3 - Whoever hacked the DNC didn't write those emails or force the DNC to do the shitty stuff they did.
#4 - If they DNC really cared about the leaks being leveraged due to timing, they would release the info themselves. So what's the DNC's own priority? Preventing an outside party from leveraging the info... or hoping they can hide the dirty shit they did to manipulate the election?
Last edited by DigitalChaos; 07-25-2016 at 09:37 PM.
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Elizabeth Warren turns me on intellectually in a way nothing sexual could ever match, goddamn
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They're about to short-circuit when Bernie endorses hard.
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C'mon dude anyone who knows anything knows it's just because his grandkids are being threatened by those evil Clintons
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Yes, but we don't count Vice Presidents (they weren't selected by votes), and candidates for smaller parties like Greens etc. aren't nearly as historic in this country because they aren't even on our ballots (they choose a candidate via a convention, alone).
When Shirley Chisholm ran for President, she said she experienced more discrimination as a female Presidential candidate than she did as a black woman.
Last edited by allegro; 07-25-2016 at 09:51 PM.
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Bruh. Come for him!Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
If Cory Booker is the future of the Democratic Party, they have no future! I know more about Cory than he knows about himself.
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I'm an open borders guy.
I'm not saying it's the same. I just think the optics are funny.
It's like when Dianne Feinstein used to conceal carry in California while pushing laws against it.
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LOL, sure it's like that buddy.
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This is the Bernie Sanders I fell in love with that the BernieOrBust nutjobs have done so much to make me forget exists. He won 22 states in the US as a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist, helped write the most progressive major party platform in US history and did it all with zero SuperPACs.
THAT'S a lot to be proud of and to build off of.
Now if these people in that room could listen to what he has to say, that'd be great.
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I wish these people would stop booing. That's just disrespectful and rude. No manners at all. They aren't Democrats. I don't know why they are there.
Edit: Well, it's okay when the boo C.U., LOL
Last edited by allegro; 07-25-2016 at 10:09 PM.
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boy this election cycle is the gift that keeps on giving
so much drama today!
never a dull day in 2016 america
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They're the Tea Party of the left. Just not as organized.
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Co-worker believes that if Clinton becomes president, she'll break the law, like she has in the past. If Trump becomes president, congress and SCOTUS will keep him in check. Wait wut? I fail to see his logic and told him it might be best if he just stay home on Election Day. Is Utah a swing state?
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If there's anyone I'll defer to on this point it's most definitely you
Eh, what the DNC is doing is standard fare. The email leak exposed things people were already assuming. That's not particularly good propaganda, IMHO. You're not wrong, they do make an effort to manipulate the election outcome, but that's what political parties do. It's expected of them, has been for at least as long as the country was founded, much to the chagrin of a number of the founding fathers.#2 - You point out that some entity is trying to manipulate the election outcome with the hack but ignore the fact that the DNC is another entity that manipulated the election outcome.
And there's equally shitty stuff in the RNC emails, no doubt about it. I do not mean in any way to hand-wave the crappy emails away. But people who think that stuff doesn't happen don't understand politics. It sucks, but that's the reality of it. Sort of like handling fees on Ticketmaster tickets are actually put in place by the artists, not Ticketmaster.#3 - Whoever hacked the DNC didn't write those emails or force the DNC to do the shitty stuff they did.
Historically, their priority has always been covering their own ass - and it nearly always fails.#4 - If they DNC really cared about the leaks being leveraged due to timing, they would release the info themselves. So what's the DNC's own priority? Preventing an outside party from leveraging the info... or hoping they can hide the dirty shit they did to manipulate the election?
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I agree on almost all points. It just seems weird to be averse to propaganda that may be coming from outside the Sanders camp (at least thats what you allege) while accepting the the problems I outlined. I also think that you may be overplaying the outside influence perspective. Sanders people have been talking this way long before Trump people jumped along side them. There is a lot of "enemy of my enemy" common interest going on, sure. But quite a lot of this comes from Sanders people who simply hate Hillary.If there's anyone I'll defer to on this point it's most definitely you
Eh, what the DNC is doing is standard fare. The email leak exposed things people were already assuming. That's not particularly good propaganda, IMHO. You're not wrong, they do make an effort to manipulate the election outcome, but that's what political parties do. It's expected of them, has been for at least as long as the country was founded, much to the chagrin of a number of the founding fathers.
And there's equally shitty stuff in the RNC emails, no doubt about it. I do not mean in any way to hand-wave the crappy emails away. But people who think that stuff doesn't happen don't understand politics. It sucks, but that's the reality of it. Sort of like handling fees on Ticketmaster tickets are actually put in place by the artists, not Ticketmaster.
Historically, their priority has always been covering their own ass - and it nearly always fails.
The attribution very well may go down to Russia, but for now it's the Dems talking about it as a certainty to downplay the leaks (propaganda). I haven't even fully gone through the leaks (and there is more to come) but something like rewarding donors with federal appointments strikes me as way beyond "standard fare" ... unless we are talking about this from the perspective of extreme cynicism?
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It's only a matter of time.
And, come, John McAfee says it's always either China or Russia.
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WHO did the hack is absolutely a story on its own. But the contents of the emails shouldn't be dismissed because of who hacked them.
There is a lot of reason to suspect it, but there just isn't any evidence yet. Hell, even the FBI presented some evidence that North Korea hacked Sony (even though it still seems extremely unlikely that NK did it).
I will say that the hack is incredibly amusing being that it impacts the very people who openly mocked criticism of the DNC security, and its impacting one of the major political parties that belongs to politicians who fight against encryption. Some basic encryption on those emails would have prevented this. I am looking forward to what comes next, just from the InfoSec perspective of it all.
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I never said otherwise, I just said all signs point to Russia.
Last edited by allegro; 07-25-2016 at 11:53 PM.
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Man, that was good soup. This was exactly what Hillary needed to do. Booker maybe stole the show. Hard to say. I love you, Bernie and Sarah Silverman.
Oh, and if you're going to try and put down the Bernie or Busters? Don't say "the tea party of the left." Go with "The Green Tea Party."
You're welcome.
Last edited by Swykk; 07-26-2016 at 06:49 AM.
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Michelle Obama gave one of the greatest convention speeches ever last night.
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