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Faceplams: Originally Posted by billpulsipher
That particular line would have sounded hilarious
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That particular line would have sounded hilarious
Last edited by BenAkenobi; 07-03-2014 at 12:07 PM.
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I wouldn't mind if they got DIIV to open like HTDA did.
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They don't have much of a web presence and they're inconsistent about updating it but every time I've seen them, the tour was announced and posted on news sites and the tickets were sold like any other show. Silver Mt Zion is the same way, their last blog post is from 2011 and they still have 2012 tour dates up but they just toured a few months ago.
Last edited by Moebius; 07-03-2014 at 12:12 PM.
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Good riddance. One less fucking pretentious band out there creating a new breed of douche bags. "Oh my god I paid to go see a show and the band didn't even show up! It was such awesome art you really have to check them out!"
More NIN time is ideal for sure, but the list of bands who'd drop everything to open for this tour is long. There could be some pretty interesting candidates out there. My personal choice would be TV on the Radio, as they have a new record coming out soon, but it will likely be someone more obscure, or someone more 90's to fit into the theme they've got going.
I'd also love to see Palms, I think they'd fit nicely on the bill, but Chino's scheduling probably wouldn't allow for that. HTDA would work, but that's still a long night for TR and Ally and not sure I'd want to risk NIN not being fully refreshed.
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Not that it really matters to me as I won't be there, but it's not like htda shows were physically draining from what I could see and they'd have all of Soundgarden's set to recover
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Trent and his wife open for NIN. That would be a disaster and make TR look like a tool, using NIN to prop up his wife's career. I am sure Soundgarden fans are dying to hear Trent and his wife's pseudo electronic darkwave band... Even TR would admit that would be sketchy and opportunistic.
Palms is touring in september. Deftones are playing shows in july.....TR should call his old buddies in Dillinger Escape Plan
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damn, Bill. I actually agree with you on this one!
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It will only be a 30min time slot. Doubt it will be anyone that well known.
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Dillinger does not have any tour dates after this weekend.
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Could have pretty big names (probably friends of Trent or SG) if they just do a couple shows.
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Yeah, those shows were supposed to happen at the end of last year, and they all had to be canceled and rescheduled to April because of his visa issues. He can only enter the USA with a work visa, not even as a tourist, and he has problems getting them every time. Here's the explanation he posted when they announced the cancellation of last year's tour:
Re: GODFLESH US tour postponement and refunds, etc - We have seen this from Ticketmaster "We just learned that your upcoming event has been postponed: Godflesh, Irving Plaza
Saturday, October 19th with the doors opening at 9PM New date: To Be Announced! Your original tickets are still good and will be honored once the new date is announced.
Need a refund? We'll refund your order, if requested, including fees....." So, we hope that this info will give everyone some idea of how the ticket refunds, etc will pan out, but please do remember that Godflesh as a band do not have anything at all related to the process of refunds, etc, this is all down to the organisation you bought your tickets from - for example, Ticketmaster, etc. The new dates will be announced within 24 hours; they are almost exactly the same cities and venues, only the venue in SF has changed. The dates will begin in Philadelphia on 11th April, and end in Austin on April 24th. We may even have another date or two on the West Coast besides Seattle, Portland, LA and SF.
Again, very, very sorry for those who have lost out here, financially and besides, just know that we have too, considerably, this tour would have supported my family and I for some time, I now do not have that income. Thank you to those who understand and empathise, ultimately we're all in this together.
I am sorry for those that still feel the need to blame the band, and/or anyone working for the band, we clearly understand how this can be angering, of course, though it's still quite bizarre, yet not at all surprising, that one would wish to blame the band they claim to support, more so than their own governments red tape and protocol, also, this level of ignorance, stubbornness, and immediate lack of the capacity to be understanding outside of oneself and one's own needs/indulgence, coupled with the obvious inability to hold discourse without resorting to lashing out verbally (and possibly even physically in a very 'real' context), before reasonably engaging one's brain, is actually one of the many issues I and Godflesh, and jesu to some extent, have been dealing with lyrically for many years, it's often still quite disheartening to find, time and time again, that SOME people buying (maybe) our music have traits that are genuinely offensive to us. Just remember, Godflesh is not 'tough guy' music, is not for empty macho posturing and flexing, we oppose these acts of banality, and perhaps not even coincidentally, internet posturing is just an extension of this, and arguably more insipid since it's so easy to hide behind one's keyboard and pour vitriol onto anything one wishes to, it's simply pathetic, real life is so much better, really, try it some time.
And, for those who still claim to see a trillion bands from over here in Europe coming into the US in their droves without visa issues, and seem to have an inability to understand why we are not, coupled with the fact that we have had our visas stalled on an number of occasions in the past (besides Godflesh with the 'Hymns' tour, where I split the band up just before the tour, which oddly still seems to anger some - no GC Green? Is that Godflesh? No, it is not Godflesh), maybe some are not aware of this, or possibly would not want to be aware of this since it may somewhat put some things into perspective, but we wouldn't want that would we? No, just blame the band.
Godflesh was invited to play the US in 1990; two shows in the Boston area, we had only just signed with Earache Records, they told us we could go to the US, guitar, bass and drum machine in hand, and literally say we're staying with friends, and play these shows, that nothing else was required, we, being very young and naive about this (I was just 20 years old), agreed that we should just do this, Earache claimed it would be fine, having themselves very little experience in dealing with sending bands to the US. Stupid, yes, in hindsight, of course. Upon our arrival we were taken separately into 'interrogation' rooms, found to be a 'threat' and promptly placed, almost physically (security / police escorted us onto the actual flight itself), and deported back to the UK, we were told this would not affect our future visits to the US. Well, it has ALWAYS affected us, we cannot come as a tourist to the US, only on work visas, we are quizzed extensively every time on this issue, and it contributes to stalling our visas, and there is simply not a thing we can do about this, nothing, all possible avenues have been exhausted, and why would they not be?
So, we always have to allow more time to achieve work visas for the USA, BUT, bands can only apply once all the shows / dates are set in stone and confirmed, or you cannot apply for the visa, and, these dates / shows can never be solidified too early because this industry just does not work like that, this can be hard for some to comprehend, but when this is one's life, believe me, you comprehend it, this may help some gain a little perspective as to how these issues arise and how these things go wrong, but go ahead blame the band, please, it's the easy way out, but if that makes one feel better, so be it, ignorance is bliss; makes one feel better, and 'right', I mean it surely just couldn't be the responsibility of the USCIS and US government could it?!!!
Some have asked why I feel the need at all to validate and qualify our position on this - because we wish for people to be understanding, to see outside of their selves a little.
But that's it, we are done explaining, so be it, if you are still so angered, do not come and see the band, do not buy the records, hate us, if that makes you feel good.
Thank you for listening, and if possible, like most of you, understanding, rescheduled dates soon....
BACKROLLS?!
Fingers crossed for the Vengaboys!
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lawn tickets on sale all over for $20 no service fee.
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I'm glad we have Bill here. He always knows what Trent is thinking!
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HTDA opening for NIN would be nothing of the sort. HTDA opening for NIN/Soundgarden outside when the sun is out however probably would be.
Not a huge fan but I could go for DEP though. I'll give you that one.
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this is off topic, but where in the hell is the merch thread??? I'm curious to see if any international fans took pictures of the merch table from the last tour. I mainly just want to see what their poster looked like. I hope they have a kickass poster for the NIN/SG shows.
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Its right on the tour discussion 1st page. Here:
http://www.echoingthesound.org/commu...ur-Merchandise
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DEP is probably too big for that slot. It's going to be a very small group if anybody at all, with maybe a few shows having a cool, bigger guest band as someone else said.
Ideally, that 30 minutes would simply go to NIN, or to both NIN & SG.
Josh Wink was on HLAH
NIN are going to Ibiza?
BACKROLLS?!
The NIN tour bus is comin'
And everybody's jumpin'
New York to San Francisco
A fucking gothic disco
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LOLLL@the NINtour.com update...
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DFA1979 would be a fun opener again. Are they busy?
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I thought she was pretty entertaining. I would love to see Bauhaus again.....
Last edited by Star; 07-05-2014 at 11:21 PM.
I was nobody. Nothing.
You know who i would like to see again as an opener? A Perfect Circle.
As a matter of fact, next time the Rez man decides to sign up for another of these brothers in arms tag team tours, he should do it with Tool or A Perfect Circle.
I may be speaking out of turn, but as much as i love Jane's, and dig soundgarden, it just doesn't resonate with me like nin does, and i feel that many of us feel the same.
I also think that, and again, i realize that i am kind of speaking for all of us, but i feel like Tool or APC WOULD resonate with NIN's fan base.
It never fails that, when i ask folks what kind of music they listen to, if NIN is mentioned, an MJK group is mentioned as well.
My dream tour would be a co headliner with NIN and Tool with LOOOONG sets, and someone like Tricky or Portishead as the opener.
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I agree with your post 100% but ain't happening for so many reasons, outside of possibly being at the same huge festival by chance.
I was nobody. Nothing.
has this already been discussed to death, @Krazy ? i must have missed it. I was kinda in the "this WILL happen" someday camp.I agree with your post 100% but ain't happening for so many reasons, outside of possibly being at the same huge festival by chance.
Why can't it happen?
i feel like you just told me that santa isn't real.
I was nobody. Nothing.
and if that can't happen,
howsabout a Bowie/NIN/Manson?
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A bit, yes. I think the first rumors started around 2006. It's been posted here and there ever since on both fan forums.
Ill get the Tool thing out of the way quickly: they don't need any help selling out arenas, anyone buying tickets (myself included) during their last couple of US mini-tours can vouche(sp?) for that.
APC is pretty much dead now that Tool seems to be focused on getting their next album done. I'm in the "no news is good news" group as far Tool updates are concerned. For the first time in a long time I'm optimistic that they're on at least the same page.
Don't even feel like getting into Puscifer. Meh. Would be a proper NIN arena opener though.
What I'm about to type is far fetched but would be awesome- a Tool and NIN co-headlining stadium tour (MLB and NFL venues). Yes, a pipe dream but they could probably pull off some incredible production and both fan bases have the numbers combined to make it happen in regards to filling seats.
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Since I can't "like" a post more than once I'm editing and quoting this. Just my honest opinion but I think thousands of people share the same thought.
Go to a NIN show see Tool tshirts and vice versa. Both bands kind of grew and blew up in popularity the same time. Another thing is it's hard to categorize either band into a genre. Last but not least they both put on incredible visual production that not many other "rock" acts can match- helps that the musicians have their hands into it.
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It's hardly a fair comparison though, maybe NIN would sell out all their shows if they only played 12 shows and coasted on years old albums, never took risks or wrote anything new that might turn people off.
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