Ghosts V: Together & Ghosts VI: Locusts

[halo eighteen]

just use two 90 minute cassettes!

I don't know if you were trying to be facetious, but I did the math and that would actually totally work for Ghosts VI, as side 1 would come to 43:18, and side 2 39:53.

This also reminds me how fucking much I miss making mix tapes and the art of having to obsessively check the math that came along with it.

[eversonpoe]

Not to go wildly off topic, but is there a source that talks about Trent working that way? Would like to dig into that more if it exists. I'm interested because stuff like older NIN albums like The Slip, the DE downloads, and The Social Network BluRay are all 96/24, but more recently the TR+AR stuff shifted to 48/24. I assumed it's because the standard for video tends to be 48kHz, but if there's another reason in terms of the math/fidelity/etc., I'm curious. I'm working on my own stuff right now and trying to decide where to land in terms of those specs as they relate to processing power, file size, sound quality, etc. If it's good enough for Trent, I'm sure it's good enough for me.

Unless, of course, the sampling rate of the mp3s is another clue that Ghosts V & VI are tracks from The Woman in the Window or elsewhere from the unused pile. Sorry for getting rant-y about sampling rates, but figured the ETS camp would be more forgiving about it.

recording at 96kHz tends to add a lot of unnecessary noise to the high end of the recordings. while it may not be able to be heard outright, it can affect the other audible frequencies by interacting with the harmonics. it also literally doubles the file sizes of all your assets. i believe that was what TR+AR's reasoning was, from what i remember reading.

I don't know if you were trying to be facetious, but I did the math and that would actually totally work for Ghosts VI, as side 1 would come to 43:18, and side 2 39:53.

This also reminds me how fucking much I miss making mix tapes and the art of having to obsessively check the math that came along with it.

was being 100% serious! if i wasn't, i would have used an emoji haha (or said haha)

i still have a tape deck as part of my stereo and all i want to do is make tapes for people but no one i know has one, so i have to settle for spotify playlists :/

[piggy]

This also reminds me how fucking much I miss making mix tapes and the art of having to obsessively check the math that came along with it.

Yass. The amount of time I spent figuring out my own CD dub-offs for the car and mix tapes for people...

was being 100% serious! if i wasn't, i would have used an emoji haha (or said haha)

i still have a tape deck as part of my stereo and all i want to do is make tapes for people but no one i know has one, so i have to settle for spotify playlists :/

I still make mix CDs for my friends!

[eversonpoe]

I still make mix CDs for my friends!

hi, we're friends now! i am going to make you one. gimmie a theme and i'll run with it!

[variablebitrate]

Appreciate all the feedback. That HDTA AMA info is especially interesting. That being said I’ve worked at 44.1, 88.2, and 96 and I don’t honestly know if I have the ears or the gear (or both) to discern the difference. A lot ends up at 48/24 anyway on my iPhone given its playback specs and that’s probably not dissimilar for a lot of listeners, so IDK. I figured 96 felt future proof enough while 192 felt like overkill unless you’re like transferring Beatles master tapes. Lately my CPU would rather everything NOT be 96, though. Guess Trent had a kind of idea seeing Fincher’s team work. I do wish there was a higher res or physical option for mid90s, though. Love it, but kind of struggle with the intangibility of it.

[piggy]

hi, we're friends now! i am going to make you one. gimmie a theme and i'll run with it!

Can you make me some kind of 60s soul and classic blues compilation?

P.S. Apologies to the thread for this moment of drift...

[wizfan]

I almost always record at 48kHz because it's more than enough for me, plus it saves me time for YouTube and stuff. However, there's a nice trick to utilize higher sample rates: use plugins that have an Oversampling option. You may then downsample your master and/or stems to 48k/44k using a powerful resampler like the free SoX. There's a nice comparison of resamplers here.

[WorzelG]

Absolutely loving Run Like Hell now on my daily walks. This track sounds like something from Homeland

[Findus]

I burned them to 3 CDs, with Locusts being VI a, and VI b.
VI a is The Cursed Clock through Trust Fades.
VI b is A Really Bad Night through Almost Dawn.

It doesn't meet the 2 CD goal, though.

[botley]

Will we celebrate six months of these releases in a couple of weeks with... liner notes?

[Lerxto]

Will we celebrate six months of these releases in a couple of weeks with... liner notes?

A vinyl release announcement of Ghosts V & VI along with the Social Network repress would be great.
One can dream.

[xfocalinx]

is this the longest amount of time we've had with a release, and no informatiom about said release? such as no album credits, or any talks of a future physical release?

[HWB]

is this the longest amount of time we've had with a release, and no informatiom about said release? such as no album credits, or any talks of a future physical release?

At least we know in what headspace Trent was when these two works were made.

We know far less about The Slip when it comes to what Trent's headspace was, it was mostly all about the release method and we heard nothing about NIN for years after that record.

[katara]

At least we know in what headspace Trent was when these two works were made.

We know far less about The Slip when it comes to what Trent's headspace was, it was mostly all about the release method and we heard nothing about NIN for years after that record.

At least with The Slip, we know that Cori Bardo worked with hair.

[zecho]

At least with The Slip, we know that Cori Bardo worked with hair.

Fun fact: she was also responsible for the With Teeth haircut.

[HWB]

Man, there is so much depth and subtle details on these. I still find Locusts really exciting and immersive, what an incredibly dark release.

[HWB]

Frankly; I am getting little tired of all the Watchmen interviews and I wish we could have gotten some more interviews about these records, it is understandable why Watchmen are the center of the attention, but my selfish self-centered self just wants to hear about the Ghosts records somehow, to hear about the writting and recording process, but again, it's understandable.

[fillow]

Frankly; I am getting little tired of all the Watchmen interviews and I wish we could have gotten some more interviews about these records, it is understandable why Watchmen are the center of the attention, but my selfish self-centered self just wants to hear about the Ghosts records somehow, to hear about the writting and recording process, but again, it's understandable.

I'm pretty sure that's how everyone here feels at this point.

That reminds me, did TR&AR say any words about Waves score? This one seems also lost in radio silence area.

[gorast]

I'm sure Trent and Atticus are tired of the Watchmen push, too. Probably the only real drawback of getting involved with it, but if they can throw an Emmy on the mantle, I guess it'll be worth it.

I do hope these two albums get some additional focus next year. It feels a lot like they were dropped on us (a gift, to be sure) and that was that.

[Prettybrokenspiral]

Personally, I love that they've got such strong collections of material that are virtually unknown outside of the super-dedicated fanbase..

Bird Box Deluxe was completely overshadowed by the release of With Teeth DE at the time of its release, and that's my favorite score they've done yet. Waves is also excellent and trippy as fuck to listen to on a good set of headphones and got next to no attention either. Ghosts V-VI made waves for a week and then faded into the abstract, as well..

The Watchmen score(s) is fantastic and is easily one of their most ambitious outings to date. You can discover new layers to it with every play-through. It's rightfully getting a lot of attention but it's also nice that they have so much understated material coming out around it at the same time, that is being cherished by a much-smaller portion of their audience..

[WorzelG]

To be fair, the last interview they did about it was a real high! And it was on the last day of Emmy voting so that’s it. But god knows how much press they’ll have to do for Mank which is absolute Oscar bait for Netflix. I wonder if the press shebang is written into the contract ?
over the next week or so I’m going to be watching the entirety of Watchmen in the build up to the Emmy ceremony - I never made it past episode 7 before Lockdown and then my kids were ever present. Now they’re finally back at school and sleeping well so I can catch up

[sonic_discord]

I like that their press tour for Watchmen has lasted so long, as I personally think Watchmen might be their best score. The Social Network had been by favorite since 2010, but I think Watchmen may have edged it out. And since there unfortunately wasn't any kind of special feature on the Blu-ray about the score (which was a shame), I feel these have made up for the lack of any featurettes on the Blu-ray release. As someone else stated earlier, I'd love for them to be collected somehow. Back on topic, I am looking forward to purchasing physical versions of Ghosts V & VI. I wonder if they'll change the cover artwork or what any additional artwork (like a booklet) might look like. Hell, even liner notes would be nice to see!

[Indefinite_Cure]

I keep coming back to Ghosts V. I just find it ethereal and gorgeous and the most devastating music to come from Nine Inch Nails since the Still album which it obviously references.Not only as a perfect album to slowly wake your brain up in the morning, but also as ear candy. I mean, do we really have to state how good the production is? Ghosts VI is good too, it just did not hit home as much as Together did with tracks like the eponymous Together and Your Touch. That album bleeds so much emotions. Thank you Trent and Atticus!

[mauro995]

Lately I'm listening much more to Ghosts V because it's perfect to relax, but the impact that made in me listening to Locusts during the lockdown in my country is unmatched to me.

[TheBang]

Ghosts VI is now available in 24-48 hi-res lossless at Qobuz. This is the first time it's been available at that resolution for purchase:

https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/gh.../ymbc4tkxtn2pc

Previously, V and VI were available on 7Digital, but as 24-44. I think that those are downsampled for unknown reasons, however. We all know that TRAR do all their current work at 24-48, and the free MP3 downloads on nin.com for these Ghosts albums were at 48 KHz, so there's no reason to believe that 44.1 KHz is the correct sampling rate.

I have not been able to find Ghosts V for purchase at 24-48. It is available for streaming (only) at 24-48 on Apple Music's new lossless streaming.

[HWB]

Ghosts VI is now available in 24-48 hi-res lossless at Qobuz. This is the first time it's been available at that resolution for purchase:

https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/gh.../ymbc4tkxtn2pc

Previously, V and VI were available on 7Digital, but as 24-44. I think that those are downsampled for unknown reasons, however. We all know that TRAR do all their current work at 24-48, and the free MP3 downloads on nin.com for these Ghosts albums were at 48 KHz, so there's no reason to believe that 44.1 KHz is the correct sampling rate.

I have not been able to find Ghosts V for purchase at 24-48. It is available for streaming (only) at 24-48 on Apple Music's new lossless streaming.

Fuck yeah! Locusts deserves this treatment. Can't wait to drown in anxiety in hi-def ultra-realism

[Volk]

Amazon Music streams the UHD version of this, but its 24/44.1 It's quite a treat with good headphones.

[TheBang]

Previously, V and VI were available on 7Digital, but as 24-44. I think that those are downsampled for unknown reasons, however. We all know that TRAR do all their current work at 24-48, and the free MP3 downloads on nin.com for these Ghosts albums were at 48 KHz, so there's no reason to believe that 44.1 KHz is the correct sampling rate.

Just to follow-up here, I looked at some spectrograms today, and confirmed that 48 KHz is the correct sample rate. On the left is 24-48 from Qobuz and on the right is 24-44 from 7digital:



You can see the very top frequencies lopped off at the crescendo of the song in the 44 KHz version.

[TheBang]

Ghosts VI is now available in 24-48 hi-res lossless at Qobuz. This is the first time it's been available at that resolution for purchase:

https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/gh.../ymbc4tkxtn2pc

FYI, Ghosts V is now also available for purchase in 24-48 for the first time anywhere:
https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/gh.../cgzcyvy3arjda

I'm not sure when exactly that showed up, but I was checking a couple times a year, so it must've only been within the last few months.

[MrLobster]

So it's been a hot moment since V & VI came out... but I've finally given them a solid listen. I think VI fits in more with I - IV but I like V as well.