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    Quote Originally Posted by Wretchedest View Post
    While it's true that Harris plan has a "role for private insurers" that plan has a real world view of who can actually afford that tax.
    Her plan is similar to what Medicare is now, plus some differences more similar to the German system, with some modification as to how we pay (premiums vs. taxes).

    In our country, Medicare is currently multi-payer and we pay monthly premiums for Medicare from our incomes (Social Security), it's deducted from our monthly income, and we supplement Medicare with private insurance. Harris wants to tax for it, but of course no PRESIDENT can legislate. Anything that passes will come through Congress (just like the ACA). Tax vs. premiums, vs. how employers pay for it, etc. The Executive branch has zero authority to do any of this.

    In 2007, Presidential CANDIDATE Obama promised "Universal healthcare" which he meant as health insurance for all (vs. actual health CARE for all).

    https://www.insurancejournal.com/new...5/16/79746.htm

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...l-u-s-n1024491

    I love Elizabeth Warren.

    But here's the labor union worker's problem with a "Medicare for All" no-private insurance taxed plan:

    Labor unions largely have negotiated contracts wherein their employers pay for at least half of employee's health insurance coverage via monthly premiums. After retirement, this coverage continues via supplemental coverage after the retiree receives Medicare payment.

    Labor union members are now afraid of what all of this will do to union contract negotiations when Medicare turns into a "taxed" method and Medicare vs. the contract that covered private insurance. NONE of these contracts covered taxes. All of these contracts would have to be re-negotiated to cover co-payment of an employees' "healthcare taxes." And it's all up for grabs as to whether or not all or any healthcare providers would even be required to ACCEPT Medicare. In the past, many healthcare providers REJECTED Medicare.

    The Medicare "Public" option allows the insurance industry to continue (vs. putting all insurance employees into unemployment) and gives the public an option to pay premiums to Medicare with supplemental private insurance for what Medicare doesn't cover, etc.

    ALL of the plans offered by these Democratic candidates are just Unicorn plans that are subject to legislation approved and written by Congress and pretty much ALL of Congress is beholden to the medical industry and the insurance industry and Big Pharma.

    And the labor unions and their members must approve these plans based on the contracts that are already out there.
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    Right now, the black voter polls are highly motivated toward Biden.

    WAY more than Harris.

    They pretty much hate Sanders, now.

    Several polls are showing ANY Democratic candidate beating Trump.

    I’m betting Biden is going to be the Democratic candidate, with Stacey Abrams as his V.P.

    I’d vote for a dead cactus over Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Mom View Post
    I’d vote for a dead cactus over Trump.
    You could beat me and my mother with that dead cactus and I'd still vote for it.

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    I really like Castro. He’s my winner for night two.

    All this “healthcare” talk only talks about the cost of health INSURANCE and not why for-profit healthcare is still LEGAL (it used to be illegal until Nixon) and why it’s SO FUCKING EXPENSIVE HERE.

    I don’t like Gabbard but she FLAMED Harris. Holy shit.
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    Jesus christ Biden sends me into a rage now.

    Now I feel like an asshole for sharing all of the old Obama/Biden memes. What an absolute piece of shit.

    (I'm like an hour behind and at the criminal justice bit)

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    Biden appears old and out of place, stumbling a lot.I'm not sure if he's going to gain support after tonight. He may or may not lose some. Gabbard (also not the biggest fan of hers) roasted Harris and it was awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    Jesus christ Biden sends me into a rage now.

    Now I feel like an asshole for sharing all of the old Obama/Biden memes. What an absolute piece of shit.

    (I'm like an hour behind and at the criminal justice bit)
    I know, this debate tonight is making him look BAD.

    Yeah, they’re bringing up old text but that’s baggage that’s his and he has to apologize and say he’s changed in 30-40 years.

    People change, for sure, but he’s not good at handling this shit in a debate.

    Trump would eat him alive. He’s stuttering and can’t adequately argue his past.

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    Well this is my new favorite thing ever.

    Hilarious


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    Not that he has a chance, but if you are outside of NYC, don't buy into BDB's narrative that NYCHA is being fixed or inspected. It fucking isn't.

    Lead, mice and rat infestations, no water, last winter there were multiple complexes without heat for extended periods of time, repairs - IF they ever happen take upwards of a year - for very simple fixes. I did work with three different complexes last semester, and saw all this shit with my own eyes and spoke with so many folks who have just been left behind in all this shit. Much of the public housing here is straight-up inhumane. The neighborhood where I was doing research is the neighborhood with the most dense concentration of public housing in the country. The median FAMILY income in the neighborhood is below 21k. In fucking NYC.

    My professors keep talking about how there are tons of moves being made in order to have NYCHA run by private corporations because it is just so far gone beyond the scope of what they can recover from at this point. And I think we all know what the would happen there.

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    ...and her numbers don't really fluctuate despite her performance... This is America.

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    Love how Tulsi torched Kamala. I'd rather see her as the first female president than any of the other ones, but of course she won't make it because she is against the corporate media and doesn't play to their narrative so they'll give her very little time to present her case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    Not that he has a chance, but if you are outside of NYC, don't buy into BDB's narrative that NYCHA is being fixed or inspected. It fucking isn't.

    Lead, mice and rat infestations, no water, last winter there were multiple complexes without heat for extended periods of time, repairs - IF they ever happen take upwards of a year - for very simple fixes. I did work with three different complexes last semester, and saw all this shit with my own eyes and spoke with so many folks who have just been left behind in all this shit. Much of the public housing here is straight-up inhumane. The neighborhood where I was doing research is the neighborhood with the most dense concentration of public housing in the country. The median FAMILY income in the neighborhood is below 21k. In fucking NYC.

    My professors keep talking about how there are tons of moves being made in order to have NYCHA run by private corporations because it is just so far gone beyond the scope of what they can recover from at this point. And I think we all know what the would happen there.
    totally this. I live 10 mins outside of NYC in NJ and I have not been happy with how it's been the past few years. Hyper gentrification is also playing a part, and in a way, affecting my neighborhood. (people getting priced out of Manhattan, moving here in new expensive high rises where abatements were given out. thus, taxes raised drastically for the long time residents, who are getting priced out, myself included) .

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    Yeah Harris looked terrible in that moment. She clearly doesn't grasp those issues and doesn't know how to respond to them. Very disappointing

    I think I'm firmly in Warren right now

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    Tulsi won't make it because we don't need another Republican right now.

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    https://store.kydemocrats.org/defeat-mitch/



    I hate to say it, but it's about time Kentucky Democrats started playing by GOP tactics. Yes, they are really selling Moscow Mitch merchandise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Mom View Post

    Trump would eat him alive. He’s stuttering and can’t adequately argue his past.
    You're probably right about that-about Trump eating Biden alive in a debate.

    But, still, i think that Biden is the most electable (read:semi-moderate, old white guy) candidate.
    Warren MIGHT beat trump in the general, but i'm not so sure about that. While i think Warren would DESTROY Trump in a debate, i still think Biden is the safer choice as the Democratic candidate.
    And, i hate to say that, because i'm a borderline radical leftist when it comes to MANY issues. There are a LOT of candidates i prefer over Biden, but, this time, electability is my main concern.
    I think we need a centrist to win. Again, it pains me to say this.
    Although i think we'll see more younger voters during this election cycle, i still think that the older folks will be casting the majority of the ballots, per usual: boomers, and, now, older gen x'ers. All of these people were adults during parts of the cold war, and any sort of "socialist" policies frighten them. And "medicare for all" may be enough to scare some of them, not into voting for trump, but, just staying home.
    I still think that Biden will be the nominee. If he IS, we might be fucked, if he's as dull as you guys think he is. If he ISN'T, we may be fucked, for the aforementioned reasons.
    The good news is, we've become SO tribalistic, that the majority of folks who are gonna vote, already know for whom they will vote- Trump, or, Not Trump.
    As i said before, i'd vote for a Cartoon Goose over trump.
    Perhaps we can have a Cartoon Goose as the nominee, with a dead cactus running for VP.
    Cartoon Goose
    Dead Cactus
    2020

    God, we DESPERATELY needed a Obama or JFK type.
    Perhaps if Warren wins the nomination, she will soften some of her positions, ever so slightly, to attract the center left.
    Or, maybe, MAYBE, Biden just had a couple of off nights.
    I know one fucking thing: i don't think that this country will survive another 4 years of trump's fear mongering, narcissism, racism and sheer fucking idiocy. He ABSOLUTELY brings out the worst in us, as a country, and, another term would lead to the end of the US as we know it, imho.
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    I think Warren has a good chance of winning the primaries and almost no chance at the general election. The true reasons why are speculation... I think misogyny paired with ageism is a factor, and I’ve heard centrists freak out about her socialist agenda... people who were saying “anyone but Trump,” are actually saying “well, except Elizabeth Warren.” Oddly they don’t seem as vocally opposed to Sanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Oddly they don’t seem as vocally opposed to Sanders.
    ...which is bizarre, because it's extremely doubtful that Bernie would manage to pull the electoral votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demogorgon View Post
    ...which is bizarre, because it's extremely doubtful that Bernie would manage to pull the electoral votes.
    There's the elephant in the room there, and I think it's misogyny... but the hard thing to admit is at the end of the day, because of that, I think Sanders has a much better chance at winning than Warren. Really, we're talking about unseating the "pussy grabber" in chief who successfully played a numbers game to beat the first realistic female candidate. I say this as someone who would personally prefer Warren. Then again, you're dealing with a lot of people wailing about what they want... and a lot of people are claiming at this stage that if they don't get their way, they'll do something insane like stay home, or worse vote for Trump.

    And, it's hard to gauge how many of these people are bluffing.

    Maybe someone else can give me a working theory for why Warren seems to be trailing so far behind Biden or Sanders in the polls. I haven't met a single person who seems really excited about Biden, not REALLY... but, I think it's fair to say he has one thing going for him: he's predictable. He's exactly something we've had before. Literally. A comfortably white old man. If Biden is elected, nothing's changed, there's nothing new happening, no ceiling is breaking, and that's "just fine and comfortable" to a large part of the electorate.

    At least it's not Trump I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Maybe someone else can give me a working theory for why Warren seems to be trailing so far behind Biden or Sanders in the polls. I haven't met a single person who seems really excited about Biden, not REALLY... but, I think it's fair to say he has one thing going for him: he's predictable. He's exactly something we've had before. Literally. A comfortably white old man. If Biden is elected, nothing's changed, there's nothing new happening, no ceiling is breaking, and that's "just fine and comfortable" to a large part of the electorate.
    This is exactly it, and more than likely why Biden will get the DNC nomination. This is why the DNC picked Hillary over Bernie for 2016, not because she was a woman, but because she was a part of the Democrat status quo. Business as usual. I don't think they care about the popular vote this time around, i feel like it's going to be focused almost entirely on the EC. Biden can stammer and stutter and touch as many women in an uncomfortable fashion as he wants, and the DNC will still pick him, because he's cookie cutter and he won't rock the boat like Trump has been doing for the last 2 years. That's what they'll bill this as: a return to normalcy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post

    Maybe someone else can give me a working theory for why Warren seems to be trailing so far behind Biden or Sanders in the polls.
    While I agree that there's likely a lot of truth in your misogyny theory, I WILL say this: Warren was sort of off-putting to me, at first, and NOT because she's a woman (I started out supporting HRC for '08. I haven't felt any negative vibe from Harris.) Warren's persona just rubbed me the wrong way at first, I guess, and it took a while for that to wear off.
    I wonder if others have felt the same.

    I also have yet to talk with a person who is EXCITED about Biden. But, I gotta say: a return to normalcy, at this point, would be fucking AWESOME. Predictability/something we've had before,literally/just fine and comfortable: at this point,all of that sounds fucking LOVELY to me. I think that the breaking of ceilings might have to wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demogorgon View Post
    This is exactly it, and more than likely why Biden will get the DNC nomination. This is why the DNC picked Hillary over Bernie for 2016, not because she was a woman, but because she was a part of the Democrat status quo. Business as usual. I don't think they care about the popular vote this time around, i feel like it's going to be focused almost entirely on the EC. Biden can stammer and stutter and touch as many women in an uncomfortable fashion as he wants, and the DNC will still pick him, because he's cookie cutter and he won't rock the boat like Trump has been doing for the last 2 years. That's what they'll bill this as: a return to normalcy.
    The “DNC” doesn’t pick the winner; the voters pick the winner; the DNC supports the candidate who appears to be the obvious winner of the primary as the primary season draws close to ending.

    Right NOW, that appears to be Biden. But it’s early and I’ve seen this totally flip in the past.

    Trump got the benefit of the doubt or a dose of complacency in the ‘16 election, because people didn’t know HOW BAD he and his administration would really be. He’s proven it, and the ‘18 midterms show how motivated Dem and Independent voters are in reversing Republican control.

    I don’t see that ending.

    Twitter voters want to be “excited” about a particular candidate.

    Actual voters are excited about getting rid of Trump, seeing him indicted by Federal prosecutors, seeing the House and Senate back in Democratic control, and getting this train back on track. (Vote Blue No Matter Who in 2020)

    A Democratic Congress will keep the SCOTUS safe, will keep the ACA safe and will likely improve it with a Medicare public option that will be on the track to universal healthcare, will negotiate drug prices, will do something about preparing for climate disasters (too late to reverse), will stop police brutality, will close the race divide, etc. etc.

    CONGRESS is what legislates progress in the United States.

    These Senators running for President would be FAR more valuable and useful in CONGRESS, with a supportive President who signs off on said legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demogorgon View Post
    a return to normalcy.
    Please... please fucking please... I mean, it'd be great if I got all the things I really want here, but if I don't get my way fine... all I want is the madness to end.

    After all, I'm registered as an independent, so I don't even get to vote in the primaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Please... please fucking please... I mean, it'd be great if I got all the things I really want here, but if I don't get my way fine... all I want is the madness to end.

    After all, I'm registered as an independent, so I don't even get to vote in the primaries.
    Do you think the madness ends even if we actually elect Donald Trump out of office? Serious question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltrandazzo View Post
    Do you think the madness ends even if we actually elect Donald Trump out of office? Serious question.
    I know you didn’t as me but...

    Trump is the result of the GOP, so as long Americans are voting for the republicans who propped him for election, then, no the madness won’t end. Mitch McConnell and Lynsey graham have to go along with every senator “Jim”. Then we will see some changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltrandazzo View Post
    Do you think the madness ends even if we actually elect Donald Trump out of office? Serious question.
    Good question. I was a card-carrying Democrat for 25 years until I saw corporate corruption in all party politics. We live in an oligarchy, and until we stop THAT, then all this promise of “change” is lip service. The change we REALLY need is a TOTAL REBOOT in Congress, getting rid of these corporate lifers IN BOTH PARTIES who only care about their stock holdings, etc. Because Big Business is what’s REALLY running this country, NOT “we the people.”

    I know Democrats who are still racist. I know licensed gun-carrying Democrats. The Right believes this myth that Democrata are a bunch of socialist hippies. But Democrats are under a “Big Tent” of all kinds of voters, and moderates are actually their biggest group of voters.

    @Jinsai , in Illinois it’s great because we only have to register AT EACH ELECTION.

    I’m an independent voter but I don’t vote for “Independent” like they’re a party. I vote for whomever I want for each primary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ltrandazzo View Post
    Do you think the madness ends even if we actually elect Donald Trump out of office? Serious question.
    I actually really do... I didn't adore Obama, but it wasn't a fucking nightmare like this is. Not even close. Bush Jr was a disaster, but he didn't live rent-free in my head like Trump does. Yes, he's nothing without his enablers, but if he gets re-elected, I think all of this bullshit will seem like a pleasant dream by comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweeterthan View Post
    Trump is the result of the GOP
    THIS. 1000 times.

    I see people on political TV shows or on Twitter pointing fingers at Democrat or Independent voters for not having a “good enough candidate” to beat Trump in ‘16 and that’s how we got Trump.

    BULLSHIT.

    Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.

    THE VOTERS WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR TRUMP. PERIOD.

    I see Republican voters who want Biden because they seem to want a candidate for whom they can hold their collective nose and vote instead of Trump. But they still can’t stomach voting for a Democrat.

    I’ve told them, “just don’t vote,”

    Them: “But, that would be WASTING A VOTE!”

    No, it would mean NOT ELECTING TRUMP AGAIN.

    Look, you morons, YOU WON’T BE GRADED for this, later. They won’t take away tour American card if you write in Mitt Romney instead of voting for Trump. And your conscience will be clear because you won’t contribute to 4 more years of that moron. But, if you DO, it’s ALL YOUR FAULT.
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    11/3/2020 - President, Senate, House, LOCAL

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Mom View Post
    Good question. I was a card-carrying Democrat for 25 years until I saw corporate corruption in all party politics. We live in an oligarchy, and until we stop THAT, then all this promise of “change” is lip service. The change we REALLY need is a TOTAL REBOOT in Congress, getting rid of these corporate lifers who only care about their stock holdings, etc. Because Big Business is what’s REALLY running this country, NOT “we the people.”
    @Jinsai , in Illinois it’s great because we only have to register AT EACH ELECTION.
    This too. The two party system has been fucking us over for decades. We can’t get anything real done. Healthcare and the environment are prime examples. Tiny bits of progress is made and then elections happen the pendulum swings the other way and they start relaxing regulations. I’m facing the consequences of both the relaxing of Obamacare rules and the impotent epa doing fucking nothing.

    My husband lost his employer provided health care plan and we are having to choose between a plan that covers our doctors but not our children’s or vice versa. It’s fucking bullshit. I didn’t love Hilary personally but I knew she wouldn’t fuck with Obamacare. She’s been all about healthcare reform since the 90s. That reason alone should’ve made everyone vote for her.

    pussy grabber is doing nothing with epa and I found out two weeks ago that a plant 1.6 miles from my house is self monitoring while releasing a known cancer causing carcinogen. I’m terrified as I’ve had health problems since moving here. The data took four years to come to light and the EPA knew last year. They’ve done absolutely nothing. No press release, no public health warning, no new regulations. The guy running it doesn’t give a shit.

    Edit: sorry for the drift. I just don’t think republican voters realize what they’re voting for.

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    A lot of critiques that I read of Warren is basically boils down to she is too smart and people have a hard time understanding her proposed POLICIES and PLANS as opposed to getting excited by large ideas that have no basis in reality.

    Smart women are threatening.

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