Star Wars: The Last Jedi - SPOILERS

[Louie_Cypher]

i think the half in the bag was a good review, i think Disney will find out star wars is a very limited story telling vehicle, after the original trilogy, marvel in contrast has been around much longer has a much richer, deeper range of characters, situations to draw from, nostalgia only goes so far, people get tired of things on repeat. the whole "universe" direction is misguided a steady diet of "member" berries is only so sweet. i think Lucas knew this. and when Disney thew A million dollars at him he cashed in. when star wars came out things were very different you could see a movie for a dollar, I think i saw the trailer on creature features there was no internet, video game consoles, TV wasn't even on 24 hours! and people didn't stand in line for things, save maybe gas, if it was your color or number(ask your parents).
-Louie

[thevoid99]

Man, if they're mad about this film. I'm sure they'll be even more pissed off about the next. Waa-waa!!!! So fucking what. At least it's not the fucking prequels or even worse.... this:

[eversonpoe]

Man, if they're mad about this film. I'm sure they'll be even more pissed off about the next. Waa-waa!!!! So fucking what. At least it's not the fucking prequels or even worse.... this:

i can't watch that without rifftrax (they riff the commercials, too, which is amazing).

'Last Jedi' haters are nothing new. Plenty of fans hated 'Empire Strikes Back' too

In the immediate aftermath of its release, both top critics and fan publications alike were shaking their heads. "It ends on a bleak note that may leave certain younger members of the audience shaking their heads," complained the venerable fan 'zine Starburst. Said the even more venerable New York Times reviewer:

I'm not as bothered by the film's lack of resolution as I am about my suspicion that I really don't care ... It's a measure of my mixed feelings about The Empire Strikes Back that I'm not at all sure that I understand the plot.

[Louie_Cypher]

again there is not much room to move after the original trilogy not to mention the comics cartoons fan fiction video games, so i think Disney is stuck with a million dollar loser, i think with the built in fan base merch they will always make money at the box office, but will always feel lacking to fan and silliness that comes with that, like the latest political issues, and more to come now that they have the marvel portfolio
-Louie

[Pillfred]

Just got back from seeing it, if this movie upset you in anyway just stop seeing movies, i guess. I thought it was pretty good even if they did kill John Snow again for some strange reason.

[Volband]

Just got back from seeing it, if this movie upset you in anyway just stop seeing movies, i guess. I thought it was pretty good even if they did kill John Snow again for some strange reason.

"I liked this movie, and if you didn't, you should stop watching movies, because - as I said - I liked it."

What a compelling argument... lock the thread! See you guys at the Han Solo movie.

[Pillfred]

"I liked this movie, and if you didn't, you should stop watching movies, because - as I said - I liked it."

What a compelling argument... lock the thread! See you guys at the Han Solo movie.

You got your lulz. Congrats.

[Haysey_Draws]

I've so far seen it twice (should have seen it three times but managed to mess up the booking a day earlier then i wanted!) and i still love it...well the second half anyway. After the opening it does drag a bit, and the casino section is a little tedious, but that second half is all good as far as i'm concerned, hell maybe even my fav section of all the films? Time will tell, i still think Rouge One is my personal fav film so far, then empire, force awakens/last jedi. It's not a flawless film (hell i could still pick apart Logan, Your Name and Shin Godzilla this year and i ADORED them) but it's a very good film, in a year that's been surprisingly good for movies.
It's fine not too like it, we're all human (i hope) and different, but throwing your toys out and starting petition to remove it from cannon...really?

And thanks for reminding about that christmas special there's a special place in hell for that!

[GulDukat]

Small TLJ Easter Egg from R1.

http://mashable.com/2017/12/19/star-.../#wr24mQru3qqS

[neorev]

@RhettButler posted that Easter Egg


Well, this explains the hate...

ALT-RIGHT GROUP CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR HUGE BACKLASH...
http://www.nme.com/news/film/alt-rig...t-jedi-2182064

[allegate]

@RhettButler posted that Easter Egg


Well, this explains the hate...

ALT-RIGHT GROUP CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR HUGE BACKLASH...
http://www.nme.com/news/film/alt-rig...t-jedi-2182064

Is that like al-Qaeda taking responsibility for a pipe bomb?

[Space Suicide]

@RhettButler posted that Easter Egg


Well, this explains the hate...

ALT-RIGHT GROUP CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR HUGE BACKLASH...
http://www.nme.com/news/film/alt-rig...t-jedi-2182064

I wish people would get their politics out of my fictional sci-fi movies please. So annoying seeing this shit pop up.

[Volband]

@RhettButler posted that Easter Egg


Well, this explains the hate...

ALT-RIGHT GROUP CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR HUGE BACKLASH...
http://www.nme.com/news/film/alt-rig...t-jedi-2182064

Does this shit really has to flow into this thread? This board already has a mini echo-chamber thread dedicated to the homogenous political views of its members, so how about not polluting other areas with this?

Not sure what pisses me off more: people who really think anyone gives a damn about real life politics when reviewing a movie, or people from the USA who think everyone is so obsessed with their domestic politics, that it's what every other country in the world talks about. spoiler alert: Spoiler: we don't fucking care

This is truly some desperate, next level guerilla-campaign to derail the discussion from the many, many, many flaws of this movie.

[neorev]

Does this shit really has to flow into this thread? This board already has a mini echo-chamber thread dedicated to the homogenous political views of its members, so how about not polluting other areas with this?

Not sure what pisses me off more: people who really think anyone gives a damn about real life politics when reviewing a movie, or people from the USA who think everyone is so obsessed with their domestic politics, that it's what every other country in the world talks about. spoiler alert: Spoiler: we don't fucking care

This is truly some desperate, next level guerilla-campaign to derail the discussion from the many, many, many flaws of this movie.

Breathe in. Hold it. Breathe out. Now do you feel better?

You're really getting upset over what is a hysterical Star Wars related story. And that last comment of yours, let me go put on my tinfoil hat.

Let's lighten the mood with a story about those darn cute little Porgs...
http://www.nme.com/news/film/star-wa...uffins-2182100

[Volband]

Breathe in. Hold it. Breathe out. Now do you feel better?

You're really getting upset over what is a hysterical Star Wars related story. And that last comment of yours, let me go put on my tinfoil hat.

Let's lighten the mood with a story about those darn cute little Porgs...
http://www.nme.com/news/film/star-wa...uffins-2182100

The comedy in the movie was as forced as yours, but at least it was funny, even if misplaced.

But good job! You guys managed to pull gender, feminism and alt-right into this thread within just one page. It is truly astonishing how far up your bums you guys can be.

Also, if eversnope had a thinner skin, he'd be Mr Skeletor himself. Every goddamn thread he finds a way to walk up to the imaginary podium and talk about his agenda, views and how we should behave. Then we have two options: 1. call him out and witness him victimizing himself 2. just accept that he has the privilege to do that, while - hopefully - dressing up as Cpt. America.

And don't try to condescend to me, when EVERYONE knows that there are idiots out there - it is not news at all, and especially not something relevant in this thread. These ones happened to be alt-right anti-feminists. Wow. Amazing. Are we gonna get deeper and find out if they watch Rick & Morty, or shall we return discussing the movie instead?

[implanted_microchip]

Also, if eversnope had a thinner skin, he'd be Mr Skeletor himself.

everson's trans and doesn't use he/him pronouns and you should probably stop being a dick with personal attacks because you're not helping the stereotype of people who disliked this movie right about now

[Volband]

everson's trans and doesn't use he/him pronouns and you should probably stop being a dick with personal attacks because you're not helping the stereotype of people who disliked this movie right about now

Well until this board doesn't have a visible "Gender:" section (or it's not filled in) and all I'm working with his picture in his profile, then I'm going with a "he". If it won't suffice with him, then he will guide me to the preferred pronoun for me to use in the future. Just because communication was a big issue in The Last Jedi, it doesn't mean it's how real life works as well.

And what stereotype I'm helping exactly? I called people out on bringing up stuff here that has nothing to do with TLJ, and some of them even tried to hint that the movie is great, it's just that trash people don't like it.

It's cute how you made me explain that yes, it is possible to criticize a gay/trans/etc person for something different than their sexuality. Get a grip, people...

[eversonpoe]

Also, if eversnope had a thinner skin, he'd be Mr Skeletor himself. Every goddamn thread he finds a way to walk up to the imaginary podium and talk about his agenda, views and how we should behave. Then we have two options: 1. call him out and witness him victimizing himself 2. just accept that he has the privilege to do that, while - hopefully - dressing up as Cpt. America.

hey, hi. what's up? have you ever heard of this thing called not being an asshole? that's basically my goal in life, to not be an asshole. and i don't want the people i interact with to be assholes, either. toward me or toward others. it's just not necessary. so when i see behavior that i find objectionable, that makes me uncomfortable, or makes other people uncomfortable, i call it out. why? because it's really easy to not be an asshole. i would argue, in fact, that it takes way more effort to BE an asshole than to NOT be an asshole. so, like...don't be an asshole. i didn't say anything to you directly in this thread up until now, so i don't quite understand why you're calling me out, other than that me not wanting people to be assholes makes you so uncomfortable, because you're an asshole. i guess? i don't know. maybe just try being nice to people and you'll find that discussions will be more rewarding and interesting.

also, sorry you have so many objections to this movie. it's a shame, because it's a fun film with a lot of great elements that i think came together wonderfully to make something that feels both quintessentially Star Wars and completely fresh. and it's absolutely fine that you feel differently and want to talk about that. but like...do it without being a jerk, eh?

[Volband]

hey, hi. what's up? have you ever heard of this thing called not being an asshole? that's basically my goal in life, to not be an asshole. and i don't want the people i interact with to be assholes, either. toward me or toward others. it's just not necessary. so when i see behavior that i find objectionable, that makes me uncomfortable, or makes other people uncomfortable, i call it out. why? because it's really easy to not be an asshole. i would argue, in fact, that it takes way more effort to BE an asshole than to NOT be an asshole. so, like...don't be an asshole. i didn't say anything to you directly in this thread up until now, so i don't quite understand why you're calling me out, other than that me not wanting people to be assholes makes you so uncomfortable, because you're an asshole. i guess? i don't know. maybe just try being nice to people and you'll find that discussions will be more rewarding and interesting.

also, sorry you have so many objections to this movie. it's a shame, because it's a fun film with a lot of great elements that i think came together wonderfully to make something that feels both quintessentially Star Wars and completely fresh. and it's absolutely fine that you feel differently and want to talk about that. but like...do it without being a jerk, eh?

I don't think any of us are vested with the power to determine which behaviour falls into being an asshole. You and another 7 billion people on this planet has their own values. These values may or may not be different for each and every one of us. Not being an asshole is indeed a social behaviour many of us should pursue, but accepting our different values and the fact that you will never see eye to eye with everyone is equally, if not more important. You have a noble goal in life, but if you think you get to throw out often condescending judgements, then you just became a different kind of asshole while trying to call out assholes.

To use Star Wars lingo, one of the downfall of the Jedi was that they wanted to put their nose into everything. They took it upon themselves to solve every single problem in the universe and then some. A noble cause, but an act that can be deemed selfish and arrogant by many. No one wants to be lectured by someone who assumed the moral high-ground by wearing a robe and living by a code they consider superior to others' thinking. If you feel the need to interrupt every single conversation where you might find something that doesn't fit your code, then how much better are you exactly than those you interrupt and/or give a lecture to?

Take it to PMs if you are really adamant about it. No one's in this thread to read opinions about current politics or any of our views about volatile issues. It's especially low when you know exactly that it is a losing battle to call out certain people on this board, and yes, you are included. I called you out on your shenanigans*, and the first response already tried to corner me as some trans-phobe. Yuck! That's obviously out of your control, but you know how these things go.

*to be fair, the guy (OR GIRL) who desperately tried to bring politics into TLJ was a million times more obnoxious

I have no idea what makes something quintessentially Star Wars, but... sure. It had lightsabers I suppose.

And of course, Merry Christmas to everyone. Even for those, who think kamikaze-ing into someone you barely know but already in love with in a quasi murder-suicide attempt to let your other comrades die - thus being dead for sure even if you somehow survive the crash, since no one can save you now - is great writing and very Star Warsy.

[Swykk]

hey, hi. what's up? have you ever heard of this thing called not being an asshole? that's basically my goal in life, to not be an asshole. and i don't want the people i interact with to be assholes, either. toward me or toward others. it's just not necessary. so when i see behavior that i find objectionable, that makes me uncomfortable, or makes other people uncomfortable, i call it out. why? because it's really easy to not be an asshole. i would argue, in fact, that it takes way more effort to BE an asshole than to NOT be an asshole. so, like...don't be an asshole. i didn't say anything to you directly in this thread up until now, so i don't quite understand why you're calling me out, other than that me not wanting people to be assholes makes you so uncomfortable, because you're an asshole. i guess? i don't know. maybe just try being nice to people and you'll find that discussions will be more rewarding and interesting.

also, sorry you have so many objections to this movie. it's a shame, because it's a fun film with a lot of great elements that i think came together wonderfully to make something that feels both quintessentially Star Wars and completely fresh. and it's absolutely fine that you feel differently and want to talk about that. but like...do it without being a jerk, eh?

I can confirm he has not heard of this. I guess this is preferable to him stinking up the feminism and political threads?

The movie is fun and isn’t all that into repeating history. There’s already a trilogy with the original cast. This new movie is for the new characters. I’ve adequately covered the bitchfits fans are having about Luke so I’m not going to bother getting back into it.

[neorev]

The guy who started the petition to have ‘The Last Jedi’ deleted now regrets it, on strong painkillers from a vehicle accident
http://www.nme.com/news/film/star-wa...tition-2181983

[neorev]

This probably has to be the saddest excuse for an Alt-Right group I've ever heard of. I can imagine them all patting each other on the back going "We showed them!"

[botley]

Yeah, who cares? Those guys are assholes to a man (and it's always men).

I really do have to take issue with Disney turfing out Ben Burtt after 40 years of amazing work. That makes my blood boil.

[implanted_microchip]

I’m a transgender far-left two letters of the LGBT+ alphabet nut and I didn’t like the movie. This ridiculous new habit of attributing anyone disagreeing with you to political arguments, bigotry and close-mindedness is incredibly fucking annoying and narrow-minded. It’s entirely possible for soemone to simply not enjoy the same thing you enjoyed and for it to not be because of some large gap in intelligience or some scandalous ulterior motive. Star Wars is going to make plenty more money and get plenty more movies made so it’s not like any of us who weren’t fans of this one are going to really ruin anything for anyone.

There are idiots and asshats on the internet about everything and the exact same tribal douchebaggery that I’ve seen from people who hate this movie is also coming from the people who loved it. It’s a big blockbuster franchise machine movie. It shouldn’t be this big of a deal that other opinions can coexist. I feel like I can’t share my opinion without being condescended to and labelled something because of it. Nobody is automatically better, smarter, dumber, truer a fan or greater a person for having liked/not liked a Star Wars movie.

[Dr Channard]

Speaking of social and political commentary, TLJ gave us some within the world of the movie. DJ wasn’t a very interesting character, but he did give some of the most interesting commentary in the film. He basically told Fin and Rose that Spoiler: the war between the Empire/Rebellion or First Order/Resistance was all just an ongoing machine. He told them that they demonize the First Order for trying to kill them, but that the Resistance was just the flipside of the same coin. And he made the point that the only people in the galaxy who were really benefiting from this apparently ceaseless war were the wartime profiteers. That struck me as a pretty self-aware and candid moment in the film.

And, anyone else think that at the end of this film Poe, Fin and Rose should feel a little more responsible for Spoiler: getting most of the resistance killed because of their botched plan?

[Volband]

Speaking of social and political commentary, TLJ gave us some within the world of the movie. DJ wasn’t a very interesting character, but he did give some of the most interesting commentary in the film. He basically told Fin and Rose that Spoiler: the war between the Empire/Rebellion or First Order/Resistance was all just an ongoing machine. He told them that they demonize the First Order for trying to kill them, but that the Resistance was just the flipside of the same coin. And he made the point that the only people in the galaxy who were really benefiting from this apparently ceaseless war were the wartime profiteers. That struck me as a pretty self-aware and candid moment in the film.

And, anyone else think that at the end of this film Poe, Fin and Rose should feel a little more responsible for Spoiler: getting most of the resistance killed because of their botched plan?

Not focusing on that political commentary showed exactly what's the problem with this movie: it is only brave on the surface. The movie IMPLIES that it could have been a ground-breaking episode in the SW franchise, but when it mattered, it backed out like a coward. Those tiny grey moments in this movie are the best - aside from some action scenes. But what did we learn at the end of TLJ? Love >>>> everything else. People were getting murdered left and right, yet the movie felt the need to tell us, that it's okay to let your buddies killed, it's all about the hormones anyway.

Yes-yes, I know it's a family movie and all, but come on... that scene was so out of touch with everything, it still hurts my brain. And yeah, no remorse at all? Not even a minute long scene where they go mental and depressed that it's their fault? Extremely weird.

[Shadaloo]

Came back from a second viewing last night. The things I both loved and hated about the film stood out in greater relief. Going forward this thing's a solid 6/10 for me.

[Volband]

6 is my final rating as well, even though I'm going to watch it for a third time sometime next week. Many people are rating it 1 or 10, which in the end reflects the "true" rating of this movie rather well. It's obviously not a 1 nor a 10, it's just people being melodramatic on both sides.

I would never tell anyone not to watch this movie; quite the contrary. TLJ is one of the highest quality of "I want some popcorn and pew-pew BUT in space!!!" movies. It manages to give something for every age group. On the other hand, it's plot is the worst fucking Star Wars writing that is considered canon* and feels more like "Episode VII - by Rian Johnson" than an actual episode VIII; which - quite understandably - gets many of our blood boiling. Maybe I'm blind, but from what I've seen here and on other boards, it seems to me that most people are aware of this. It's just some tabloid bullshit that people want to retcon TLJ, and there are also not many people who straight out refuse to accept at least some of its glaring faults.

*the prequels are more boring than bad; cheesy dialogues aside, the story wasn't all that bad or incoherent, but then again, maybe it's just TLJ who put the bar so damn low that I'm even saying things like this.

[Dr Channard]

*the prequels are more boring than bad; cheesy dialogues aside, the story wasn't all that bad or incoherent...

The actual story of the prequels is good, it’s the narrative (the way the story is told) and the technical execution that was bad. Lucas and co. had a big picture in mind for 1-6, and each installment lends itself to completing the overall story, some much better than others. That’s another element that feels missing in the two new installments, for me at least. Two movies in and it doesn’t feel to me like there was a clear-cut big picture story in place before they started driving the narrative forward. Maybe episode 9 will prove me wrong?

[GulDukat]

This movie was fucking awesome. I'm no Star Wars fanboy and could go on and on with flaws of the prequels (which I still see some merit in), but this movie was simply fantastic. I was expecting some dull moments, superfluous side stories and lame jokes, based on some comments I have read here and elsewhere, but no, this movie was fucking amazing on every level--action, fleshed-out characters, visuals, pace and storytelling. And it retroactively makes TFA even better.