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[Dra508]

But where are the dick pics?

*prays for Zachary Quinto*

I have to believe there are just as many of those pics out there. Why haven't they been hacked? Hmmm?

[DigitalChaos]

I have to believe there are just as many of those pics out there. Why haven't they been hacked? Hmmm?

rofl
I want to see some serious replies to this.


Also, I'm seeing quite a few in various feminism camps trying to label this situation as a sex crime. I really can't see that one... Am I missing something? Like, maaaybe but I'd need to hear a pretty solid legal justification.


I think the guy who did the Scarlett Johansen hack received an appropriate punishment.

[allegro]

Ah, well the money thing was likely the death throws of this "ring." When we have TMZ's in this world, money will always come into situations like this. I'm actually surprised it took this long. That actually really speaks toward the true motivation (perving the fuck out). It would be unlikely for money to come into it before then unless you were a rich kid without any skills... they usually get laughed at and attacked though.

As for people who waste their time, the desire to get into shit you shouldn't be in is a part of bored youth. I've watched kids deface government websites in the late 1990's just because. Another common thing was porn/warez trading bots on IRC that operated very similar to this proposed circle (you first contribute, then you get credits to take some data). Some people also never grow out of it. The guy who got 10 years for doing this to Scarlett Johansen was fucking 35!

I don't know. Maybe I've just been too close to this kind of crap all these years. I know how common it is and it's why I am more careful with my stuff. I feel really bad for the people who don't know any better and learn the lesson the hard way.

We both remember those old days when many good UNIX hackers insisted they did it to point out glaring security holes, although they usually left a calling card showing they'd been there, not something violating and abusive to these females like this. While this does seem like an embarrassment to Apple, this is particularly abusive and malicious to these females, not the harmless hacking from my old days.

Also, see this: http://m.theatlantic.com/entertainme...-abuse/379434/

If Jennifer Lawrence was to pose naked on the cover of Playboy, for example, I’m sure it would be a best-selling issue. But it wouldn’t have the same scandalous, viral appeal as private images stolen from her phone. Because if she shared nude images consensually, then people wouldn’t get to revel in her humiliation. And that’s really the point, isn’t it? To take a female celebrity down a notch? (We have a term for when this is done to non-celebrity women: “revenge porn.”)

There is an obsessive tendency in American culture with elevating women—young, beautiful women, especially—to celebrity status just to bask in their eventual fall. There’s also a tendency in American culture, meanwhile, to shame women for their sexuality. So I would not be surprised in the days ahead to see arguments as to why this is somehow the fault of the celebrities whose phones were hacked—that these women took the pictures, that they were posing, that generating publicity is part of their job.

But victim-blaming is just that, no matter how famous the victim is. We live in a culture with a peculiar relationship to female celebrity. In much the same way that misogyny tells men that women are there for male consumption, the public and media tell us that famous women are public property. It’s why models and pageant queens are expected to smile graciously and respond to horny teen boys asking them to prom, or why they’re called uptight bitches if they don’t smile for every camera shoved in their face. The underlying premise is that these women have consented to being there for public entertainment—whether they like it or not.

The fact that photos have been shared already is beside the point and a weak justification for violating someone’s privacy and sense of safety. Even if we’re not the people who stole the pictures, and even if we’re not publishing them on blogs or tweeting them out, looking at naked photos of someone who doesn’t want us to goes beyond voyeurism; it’s abuse.

[Frozen Beach]

This whole leaked nudes thing isn't new. It happens all the time to people who aren't celebrities. Hell, there are even threads on 4chan where people try to ruin people's lives by threatening to show them to their love ones. It's absolutely disgusting. Sad thing is, "private" things posted on the internet will never be private because there's always some scumbag out there willing to spend their time trying to retrieve them. Not trying to victim blame, but seriously, don't post your nudes on the internet. Seriously. It will bite you in the ass.

[allegro]

Dude, revenge porn was already mentioned up there and those victims do not post that. Some of the victims don't even know they're being photographed. You're still victim-blaming. The ones whose asses should be bitten are the pig boyfriends who post this shit and the pigs who look at it. (Revenge porn is a felony in 9 states and is about to be a felony in Illinois. 6 more states are currently passing similar criminal legislation, and it's expected to grow.) edit: highlighted so @aggroculture can see it

[allegro]

New Yorker article: http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elemen...ocial_facebook

The larger security problem, it seems, comes from a general misunderstanding about how a smartphone differs from, say, a large online forum. Most discreet people know not to upload nude photos onto the Internet but are unaware that a photograph shared privately, through a text message or e-mail, is hardly private at all.

“Storing data on a phone carries an inherent risk,” Felten wrote. “The complexity of the software on our phones, and the network and cloud infrastructure to which they connect, makes it difficult to identify, let alone secure, all of the points of vulnerability. It’s prudent to assume that anything on your phone is potentially at risk.”

Over the past few years, smartphone and app companies have gone to great pains to make our devices feel safe and private. The amount of personal information stored on smartphones, and, by extension, the cloud, is in odd contrast to the vague, general anxiety that arises whenever photographs leak. For most people, it seems that convenience and ubiquity ultimately win out. “We use our smartphones almost like they are part of our brains,” Green said. “I don’t think people realize how much of themselves they’re giving to Apple, and potentially to hackers.”

[Frozen Beach]

I'm not talking about revenge porn. I'm talking about people hacking into people's shit that they don't know and using it to blackmail them.

And I'm victim blaming? I'm blaming the internet, and you're skewing my meaning. The internet is severely flawed, especially now, and what I'm saying is that it is a really bad time to post anything that might come to bite you in the ass, whether it be nudity or something as simple as a flawed opinion. People are more than ever wanting to play hacker, and at this point, I think it's too late to stop it without ruining the internet.

[allegro]

I'm not talking about revenge porn. I'm talking about people hacking into people's shit that they don't know and using it to blackmail them.

And I'm victim blaming? I'm blaming the internet, and you're skewing my meaning. The internet is severely flawed, especially now, and what I'm saying is that it is a really bad time to post anything that might come to bite you in the ass, whether it be nudity or something as simple as a flawed opinion. People are more than ever wanting to play hacker, and at this point, I think it's too late to stop it without ruining the internet.

These celebs didn't "post" anything. This shit was on their iPhones.

I think everybody groks the "be careful" stuff, especially unsecure wifi and logging into your bank accounts, etc. But that doesn't take these assholes off the hook.

[Frozen Beach]

These celebs didn't "post" anything. This shit was on their iPhones.

I mean post in a generic term, not as in like on a forum.

and I read that the leaks came from icloud which their phones save info to, not hacked from the phones themselves.

[allegro]

I mean post in a generic term, not as in like on a forum.

and I read that the leaks came from icloud which their phones save info to, not hacked from the phones themselves.

The data came from the iPhone. The iPhone was automatically saving to iCloud, assumedly. The hackers got into FindMyiPhone, which then got them access to the AppleID.

[Frozen Beach]

I think everybody groks the "be careful" stuff, especially unsecure wifi and logging into your bank accounts, etc. But that doesn't take these assholes off the hook.

I honestly don't see enough people talking about internet dangers until it's too late (well, at least where I live). This type of stuff should be talked about in school it's getting so bad. I mean, this type of situation also isn't the only fucked up thing going on here recently. The whole swatting thing on twitch.tv is scary as hell too. Someone could seriously die from that.

The data came from the iPhone. The iPhone was automatically saving to iCloud, assumedly. The hackers got into FindMyiPhone, which then got them access to the AppleID.

thank you for clearing that up

[allegro]

I honestly don't see enough people talking about internet dangers until it's too late (well, at least where I live). This type of stuff should be talked about in school it's getting so bad. I mean, this type of situation also isn't the only fucked up thing going on here recently. The whole swatting thing on twitch.tv is scary as hell too. Someone could seriously die from that.

I dunno, maybe somebody should start a thread about that.

[Dra508]

rofl
I want to see some serious replies to this.


Also, I'm seeing quite a few in various feminism camps trying to label this situation as a sex crime. I really can't see that one... Am I missing something? Like, maaaybe but I'd need to hear a pretty solid legal justification.


I think the guy who did the Scarlett Johansen hack received an appropriate punishment.

If we took the internet out of the story and it was just stolen photos from a thumb drive, would we be having the conversation that they should have known?

[DigitalChaos]

If we took the internet out of the story and it was just stolen photos from a thumb drive, would we be having the conversation that they should have known?

Not sure why you are quoting my post about sex crimes to discuss the "they should have known" bit. I never said that about the victims.

Your stolen thumb drive idea needs work though. It's more like someone stealing a thumb drive that was hanging out in a PO box style room where everyone comes to get their drives. All those boxes are clearly labeled with the owner's name. Then the thief figured out that you can open any box by shoving a pen in the lock.

[DigitalChaos]

We both remember those old days when many good UNIX hackers insisted they did it to point out glaring security holes, although they usually left a calling card showing they'd been there, not something violating and abusive to these females like this. While this does seem like an embarrassment to Apple, this is particularly abusive and malicious to these females, not the harmless hacking from my old days.

Also, see this: http://m.theatlantic.com/entertainme...-abuse/379434/

A lot of that changed the moment images became part of the Internet though. I think you also have to consider that a lot of this doesn't fall into the revenge porn style. Some is more in the voyeuristic style. Simply seeing something you shouldn't. This should be even more evident in the act of keeping the images secret for a while (assuming that's true).

Another interesting aspect is the people who were resharing the images. Quite a few were excluding certain images they deemed "too much."

[Sarah K]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmen...s-a-sex-crime/

Forbes piece that likens it to a sex crime.

[aggroculture]

I agree, it's like pulling someone's clothes off in public.

[aggroculture]

The tide has turned against revenge porn, it is now a crime in many places.
Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge_porn
and this is a good piece about isanyoneup: http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to...h-revenge-porn

[allegro]

The tide has turned against revenge porn, it is now a crime in many places.

yes exactly: A FELONY.

see also this.

also, this is one of the reasons why I quit supporting the ACLU.

[DigitalChaos]

Ok, but then that would be very separate from the actual break in and theft. It would be the act of releasing the data to the public. In this case, that very well may have been a separate group of individuals.

edit: I guess you could get into some gray area concerning the "trading" in a small group. All of this is under the hypothetical "trading group" hypothesis, of course.

@allegro - ACLU was only against the extremely broad language of the bills. They aren't against the basic intent of the bills. Did I miss something?

[allegro]

@allegro - ACLU was only against the extremely broad language of the bills. They aren't against the basic intent of the bills. Did I miss something?

Ugh, don't get me started. I ain't derailing this thread with the ACLU male pigs who just didn't get it and wanted victims to settle these matters with civil suits. WHICH DIDN'T WORK FOR THESE WOMEN.

[DigitalChaos]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmen...s-a-sex-crime/

Forbes piece that likens it to a sex crime.

I get what they are saying, but the focus on ONLY females is a bit obnoxious. There were plenty of men in the pictures. There were plenty of men's accounts/phones who were broken into. They are doing a disservice to their message by ignoring this aspect. It's an issue that impacts all people. Women are people too. There are a lot of individuals who create societal problems because they forget this.

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[DigitalChaos]

Ugh, don't get me started. I ain't derailing this thread with the ACLU male pigs who just didn't get it and wanted victims to settle these matters with civil suits. WHICH DIDN'T WORK FOR THESE WOMEN.

All good! That's sufficient enough for me to do some additional research. I feel fairly obligated to keep informed on all aspects of organizations I give money to. I had only been aware of their objections such as what is detailed here: http://www.acluct.org/updates/reveng...needs-changes/ Those are very agreeable objections.


Looping back toward the original topic. This link also contains an interesting bit:

"The bill would violate the principle, which has been consistently upheld in court, that third parties are protected from penalties for disseminating information if they got the information without engaging in any illegal actions themselves, Staub wrote. “To impose criminal penalties on uninvolved third parties sharing legally obtained images in this manner violates the core principles of freedom of speech and of the press.”"

I'm not sure how absolute this is, but I think that could create issues with the idea that a separate group of people could be responsible for the "sex crime" portion of disseminating the images to the public. The sex crime portion would have to be the act of the thief transferring the data to ANY other person... even if it is just one.

[DigitalChaos]

I agree, it's like pulling someone's clothes off in public.

Is there any difference between doing this not in public?

It's much more like putting a hidden camera in someone's bedroom/bathroom. Every court case I can find about charges the person with invasion of privacy, not a sex crime.

There are some interesting per-state laws surrounding this type of thing. Some do hook into sex crimes. I think the answer lies inside a lot of the criminal voyeurism statutes that exist, specifically ones connected to sexual purpose and transmission.

[allegro]

Is there any difference between doing this not in public?

It's much more like putting a hidden camera in someone's bedroom/bathroom. Every court case I can find about charges the person with invasion of privacy, not a sex crime.

There are some interesting per-state laws surrounding this type of thing. Some do hook into sex crimes. I think the answer lies inside a lot of the criminal voyeurism statutes that exist, specifically ones connected to sexual purpose and transmission.

In the case of revenge porn, in many states it's actually seen as a domestic violence crime and is included in Orders of Protection language. It's now considered a form of criminal domestic abuse. So I guess if you carried the "violation of your person" status over to strangers, the people who are victims of something like that just happened the other day see it as a kind of visual gang-rape by strangers because of the sexual nature. Since the term "rape" is not really used in legal terms, anymore, and has been replaced by "sexual assault," then ... it would be maybe be a visual sexual assault. Look at it this way: child porn is seen as a sex crime even though many/most of the people viewing it and distributing it did not actually have any physical contact with the child. This is because of obvious reasons relating to criminal deviant sexual and child predatory behavior. Those found guilty must register as 'sex offenders' even if they technically never had sex, and of course this all makes sense. If the public at large begins viewing adult revenge porn, or even the theft we saw the other day, as deviant criminal sexual behavior, then the legal response will be to treat it with punishment in the same manor in order to protect our society from a growing number of victims and to prosecute it in a punitive enough way to attempt to thwart it while also not ridiculously impeding people's rights.

HEY SPEAKING OF THAT, I STUMBLED INTO SOME NEWS YESTERDAY THAT WAS PRETTY NEWSWORTHY AND I'M GONNA POST IT OVER IN THE OTHER NON-CELEB NEWS THREAD!!

[Deepvoid]

Apple washes its hands. Tell celebrities to get better passwords.

[DigitalChaos]

Apple washes its hands. Tell celebrities to get better passwords.

ugh
#1 - Their 2 factor auth is REALLY fucking bad, so fuck Apple for even suggesting that as a fix
#2 - Yes, that really points toward the icloud dumps happening via unlimited password attempt brute forcing AFTER identifying someone's email. (Fuck apple for even rolling something like that out)
#3 - Sure, a strong password definitely would have helped prevent this specific attack. Security is the responsibility of both the user and whoever runs the services. Trying to pin the situation entirely on that is bullshit.

[thevoid99]

In all honesty as much as I feel sorry for the fact that their privacy was invaded, I don't really have much sympathy considering that they were stupid enough to put these pictures on the phone. It just goes to show what the world is coming to. Technology is running things and it's making us feel dumber than we already are. All these things like selfies and all that crap are idiotic. I'm so glad I don't own a cellphone.

[DigitalChaos]

It took me a bit to dig up a credible article, but this proves that 2FA wouldn't have done shit for this leak because you can get to photostreams using only the password.

http://www.tuaw.com/2014/09/02/think...-your-privacy/

This really only touches the surface of how bad Apple's 2FA. They only apply it to portions of their services (mostly things that touch your credit card). Last I checked, they didn't even have it rolled out globally. They have it so awkwardly setup that you can lose your entire account because of how they automatically remove devices without prompting you. You can get new devices hooked into various portions of your account without ever hitting a 2FA challenge (like in the article).

I really hope the security community beats Apple up on this one. I'm off to get the ball rolling on that where I can. *so fucking pissed*

[Dra508]

Not sure why you are quoting my post about sex crimes to discuss the "they should have known" bit. I never said that about the victims.

Your stolen thumb drive idea needs work though. It's more like someone stealing a thumb drive that was hanging out in a PO box style room where everyone comes to get their drives. All those boxes are clearly labeled with the owner's name. Then the thief figured out that you can open any box by shoving a pen in the lock.

Whatever dude.