That reminds me actually, that NIN came back SUPER HARD in 2016, I remember getting really uite freaked out by Not The Actual Events, everything about it made me unneasy (and I loved every moment of it.);
The references to Still on the cover art, the rather crazy lyricism, musically it was definitelly the scariest thing NIN has done in a while, it had an incredibly apocalyptic feel and I'd say some of these songs are some of NIN's heaviest, or amongst the heaviest ones. Then the physical component comes with a terrifying warning which covers you in a substance which we had no idea what it was made out of and the component itself are lyrics from the album, anxiously thrown around. I absolutely love NTAE and it marked the point when NIN started freaking me out again, I absolutely LOVE how much anxiety "The Background World" gave me when I heard it for the first time, I love being absolutely spooked by "I'm Not From This World" and then being haunted by the entirety of Locusts.
That's not quite all of them; there's 31 total:
https://mega.nz/folder/ykJxFISB#yxu6WUedy1UKLStU03-m_A
axhit1
axhit2
death1
death2
death3
death4
death5
drown1
drown2
gasp1
gasp2
gib
h2odeath
h2ojump
inh2o
inlava
land
land2
lburn1
lburn2
pain1
pain2
pain3
pain4
pain5
pain6
plyrjmp8
slimbrn2
teledth1
tornoff2
udeath
In my mind WT carries a heavy Songs For The Deaf influence for employing Grohl on most of the songs. I wish he'd be featured on more songs though, so that the album would feel even more as one, sonically speaking.
TLBtB doesn't have a grammar problem as I read it. Not nearly as bad as "We're in This Together" does! The phrase "as far as I have gone" could either act as conjoined to the next one, or not, depending if the word "to" is added or not. This gives the line two subtly different meanings:
1. As far as I have gone, I knew what side I'm on. "No matter what has happened up to this point, I knew right from wrong."
2. As far as I have gone to know what side I'm on. "I had to go all this way to figure out what's right and wrong."
Last edited by botley; 08-01-2020 at 07:35 AM.
It's a combo of Queens For The Stone Age and Killing Joke, Trent literally spoke about Killing Joke's influence on The Collector, talking about wanting to create the primal soudn which Killing Joke have for that song and perhaps some of the others too.
Dave Grohl drummed on their second debut too, funilly enough, so that is probably the record to look afte when we talk about Killing Joke influences.
Last edited by botley; 08-01-2020 at 08:34 AM.
I actually really think that with The Line Begins To Blur it's;
Studo >Live.
The "I DON'T KNOW!" part (second verse) is far more effective in studio than in the Beside You In Time version, not a fan of the vocals that are going on in that part in the Live version.
The quake ranger "telefragged" noise always sounds like a person suffering from projectile vomiting. I wonder if Trent actually went that far and puked to record it.
The vibe around NTAE was incredible. It really did feel haunted - the minimal website relaunch, the Still artwork, the absolutely horrifying opening to the album that was so different from Hesitation Marks. As frustrating as it was to have to wait the entire year for NIN to come back, when they did, they came back HARD. If we consider the trilogy as one continuous "album cycle," I think this was by far my favorite.
although i dug the shit out of every NIN release (aside from the ghosts things, which i APPRECIATE from an artistic standpoint, but don't LISTEN to very often,)
i'm 100% with you on this. NTAE is similar to broken, in a way, ESPECIALLY the first track. it's one of my favorite NIN tracks, and i've been a fan for 28 years.
i loooooooove WT and i looooooove YZ, etc, but it's just a different vibe. and i'm not saying either sound/vibe is objectively better than the other.
it's just that the NIN i first discovered was like, idk, an awful car crash-the sort of thing that terrified me, but i couldn't look away.
Add Marilyn Manson as openers at my first or second NIN show, when i didn't know who MM was, when i was a freshman or sophomore in HS, and good god, it was unreal.
Again, i know a lot of you guys were there for it. for the record, i'm absolutely not talking down to the folks who missed it. Hell, i'm a big Rush fan, and i'd be utterly infuriated if people looked down for missing the 2112 tour because i wasn't alive yet.
But good GOD, nin was scary early on. Add in the broken movie, which was something we passed around on VHS back then, and, yeah. Jesus. I fucking loved it.
I ALSO love HM, too, though, and i'd honestly like to hear more of THAT style.
I'm amazed that this "little old band" has covered so much territory.
I want them to make hip hop beats for one of these young rappers next. :P
So how did he change the lyrics for the live performance?
Personally, I think @Sesquipedalism is giving The Fragile an easy pass. "I knew what side I'm on" is equally poetic deletion, and makes more sense to me in context than "we have chose" does. "Knew/am" may feel like sloppy writing or a case of tense collision, but to my ear that's just how people talk when they describe feelings of ambiguity in the past tense. "Previously, when it came to this issue, I knew where I stand!" And in the With Teeth context, that's interesting because it speaks to the ambivalence around the narrative exploring notions of clarity — and blurring the delineation of true/false, good/evil, past/present, me/them. I'll buy James' theoretical buttressing on The Fragile's inter/intrapersonal narrative, but only in light of what TR's writing subsequently on With Teeth made much more clear and understandable. If he hadn't wrote "there is no FUCKING YOU, there is ONLY ME", it would be much harder to support your case for a multiple personality interpretation of The Fragile based purely on its own text.
Last edited by botley; 08-02-2020 at 09:31 AM.
Not only is Bad Witch the best in the trilogy, it's probably my personal favorite record of Trent's since With Teeth.
Hey, that cartoon fucking rocks! Watched it when I was a kid.
Killing Joke fucking rocks too.
I vaaaaaguely remember reading that, actually. @allegro were you around for that discussion? If I remember right, you were still going by "Beavette" at that point.
I can grok Shakespearean sonnets, so don’t look at ME. :-)
“When as thine eye hath chose the dame,
And stalled the deer that thou shouldst strike,
Let reason rule things worthy blame,
As well as fancy, partial might.
Take counsel of some wiser head,
Neither too young nor yet unwed.“
Last edited by allegro; 08-02-2020 at 07:30 PM.
I looked around for "playlist" topics but can't find a good recent one, so here it is... I spent 3 hours yesterday trying to put together NIN "world domination introduction" playlist and came up with this one. Not easy to select, remove, sort... with so much to choose from, and I love each one on this list and can not remove anything. Also make "album" art, balance volume (mp3gain.exe), precisely tag everything, good work! ;-) Running time: 2h40m.
01 Something I Can Never Have.mp3 (Still)
02 Thats What I Get.mp3
03 Happiness in Slavery.mp3
04 Closer.mp3 (All that could have been live)
05 Dead Souls.mp3
06 A Warm Place.mp3
07 The Day The World Went Away.mp3 (CRC Sessions)
08 La Mer.mp3 (Deviations)
09 The Great Below.mp3 (All that could have been live)
10 Metal.mp3
11 Where Is Everybody.mp3
12 And All That Could Have Been.mp3
13 You Know What You Are.mp3
14 Every Day Is Exactly the Same.mp3
15 The Line Begins To Blur.mp3
16 The Beginning of the End.mp3
17 The Great Destroyer.mp3 (Modwheelmod)
18 Another Version Of The Truth.mp3 (Kronos Quartet & Enrique Gonzalez Müller)
19 In This Twilight.mp3
20 Zero-Sum.mp3
21 Lights In The Sky.mp3
22 Corona Radiata.mp3
23 Copy Of A.mp3
24 Find My Way.mp3 (Oneohtrix Point Never Remix)
25 While Im Still Here.mp3
26 Black Noise.mp3
27 Dear World.mp3
28 LESS THAN.mp3
29 NOT ANYMORE.mp3
30 THE BACKGROUND WORLD.mp3
31 Over and Out.mp3
32 I Cant Give Everything Away.mp3
Last edited by Substance242; 08-05-2020 at 04:00 AM. Reason: link removed
^ Nice list!
While reading it a thought came to my mind regarding La Mer. The initial Apple Music instrumental release had that few second audio glitch in it. Is the Deviations version exactly the same as the Apple Music version, only with the glitch fixed? Or does it differ even more?
It’s the same, glitch fixed.