Surely even bill would agree, entry level NIN should be With Teeth or even The Slip, just because they're SO accessible
Surely even bill would agree, entry level NIN should be With Teeth or even The Slip, just because they're SO accessible
I don't think WT/TS is the way to show the *best* albums, but just the easiest access
There's definitely not a doubt in my mind that Hesitation Marks is the new "entry point" to recommend to non-fans. From there, depending on what they like, it could go in any direction... but HM is 100% the new starting point.
Absolutely. This is what happened to me.
I hadn't previously been into 'rock' or 'industrial' at all, so HM was a perfect entry point for me as a mellower album.
If anyone had tried to 'introduce' me to The Slip instead, I would have run away fast.
Definitely, the perfect entry point into NIN also depends on what kinds of music the person enjoyed previously.
Last edited by Edo; 11-04-2014 at 02:35 AM. Reason: afterthoughts
I honestly don't understand a concept of introducing to a new band/artist by just one album.
And Heresy, and Ruiner, and Becoming, and Big Man With A Gun. Took me ages to get into that album - only managed it via Further Down The Spiral in the end.
I wouldn't use The Slip as an entry album, the reaction for a lot of people is to reach for the volume control at Letting You and fall asleep through Corona Radiata.
My opinion, Pretty Hate Machine, With Teeth and Hesitation Marks are the most accessible.
i love making people single-artist mixes as a way to get them into a band. not a "best of" but a "stuff you'll probably like the most" compilation. i've done it for various friends and for various bands (NIN, COIL, mastodon, mogwai, nick cave & the bad seeds, tom waits) and it's always fun.
When it comes to introducing new listeners to Nine Inch Nails albums, I often find myself referring to Pretty Hate Machine, The Downward Spiral and With Teeth the most. And if they end up liking any of those albums, I end up going for The Fragile and Year Zero. Then again, it also depends on the person's tastes as already mentioned, as I could see how The Fragile and Ghosts I-IV can also make for better entry points. And ever since Hesitation Marks came out, I'd definitely agree that it's also the new entry point as I could see how it would be very likely for songs like Copy Of A or Satellite to win new fans over.
Oh, and if anybody is interested, I was just reminded to look for a thread that I've made this very topic on a while back.
http://www.echoingthesound.org/commu...potential-fans
It's also nice to see other opinions on this topic, as I've sometimes thought that only relying on all of the albums from Pretty Hate Machine to The Fragile was the best choice in all cases.
Last edited by Halo Infinity; 11-04-2014 at 08:53 AM.
Even though I only got into buying albums since 1999, I totally get this. I'm aware that CDs have been "out" for the most part since the mid 2000s, but I haven't gotten over buying albums from bands I like. I also say mid 2000s, because even though file-sharing was taking over in the early 2000s, CDs and CD players still seemed to be in vogue around 2000-2004. I also see why I shouldn't feel bad either, but I guess it's just that I still enjoy collecting CDs in a way somebody would enjoy collecting comic books or stamps. (As of now, it also seems to be like that, especially since CDs right now are the way cassettes were in the 2000s. I'm still both impressed and surprised that vinyl is still appreciated though. And by all means, I could see why too.)
I still feel this way about albums. I like to think of them as a snapshot of the band at that particular year. I've always looked at albums as a whole.
As do I. I also remember being surprised even back in say, 2005-2009 when some people I knew back then asked me why I bothered to listen to albums, buy albums, or told me that they only cared to listen to songs. Come to think of it, the majority of people that I've known and met in real life don't really listen to albums, regardless as to whether or not they'd buy them or download them.
(And well, I'll admit that it's like I'm stuck in the 1990s when it comes to getting into bands and buying albums. I'm just not over that at all. In most cases, I usually check out the albums in chronological order as well. However, I'm also thankful that the Internet helps me check out music before I buy it, while also being a place for me to get a hold of actual CDs. I also like how having an iPod allows me to leave my CDs at home as opposed to having to use CD wallets like I did back in 1999-2004.)
Even as somebody that is far from the biggest music fan, this particular subject always hit home for me.
@piggy - I also remember discussing this topic up with you too, and I thought that you might have liked to catch elevenism's posts concerning this matter.
http://www.echoingthesound.org/commu...088#post223088
http://www.echoingthesound.org/commu...091#post223091
Last edited by Halo Infinity; 11-05-2014 at 05:43 AM.
I've also felt this way for quite some time no matter what kind of album it was. I suppose that I've gotten used to taking them in as a whole. I still skip around them though, but I always keep in mind that the album is a whole.
I sometimes like to think of the album as a season and the songs as little episodes too for another analogy. I know we're not the only ones that see it this way, but it's refreshing to see that I'm not alone on this.
And sorry. I don't have any actual Nine Inch Nails questions right now, but this particular topic on albums has always interested me. I've also liked how I can always enjoy Nine Inch Nails albums from front to back, or at least way over half of any NIN albums that were not among my favorites.
you must be on drugs....thats like saying Exciter is the entry point to introduce people to Depeche Mode lol or Backspacer is a starting point for Pearl Jam..I know you're a TR apologist and everything he touches is gold but the reality is HM tanked, its not highly regarded by anyone except the ultimate diehards who would jack off over a record of TR burping into a mic for 60 minutes while banging a garbage can... its just another mediocore record by a post 45 year old musician whos better days are far behind them, and whose back catalog is brilliant.....the starting point is, was and will always be PHM....then you move them onto TDS.....unless its some girl who likes pop songs, then you start with Withaaa Teeth
Last edited by billpulsipher; 11-04-2014 at 10:41 AM.
PHM is WAY MORE pop than WT.
With Teeth and Hesitation Marks are the faves among my friends who are casual fans. Those would definitely be the two that I would refer most people to, depending on their other tastes in music.
I like PHM, but it's dated as fuck now. Most of the other stuff still holds up so far.
NIN albums that tanked: The Fragile, Year Zero, Hesitation Marks. So... the best ones?
C'mon, I know you're a troll, but be consistent with your character! "Bill" would not like PHM! "Some girl who likes pop songs" would *adore* PHM. Have you even heard what's on pop radio right now? It's all '80s throwbacks! The number one album in the world is called 1989! "Bill" the character should be saying BROKEN (or worse, FIXED) is the best starting point for non-NIN fans, and anyone who doesn't like it is a pussy who doesn't deserve to gaze upon Trent's fishnet covered legs (or into those '90s-god eyelined eyes). It's 1994 forever, right?
I can't do your homework for you, Bill. Get it the fuck together.
He probably meant from REAL FANS(only him).
Hesitation Marks debuted at number three on the Billboard 200 with 107,000 copies sold in its first week, Nine Inch Nails' fifth top five album.[46] As of December 2013, the album had sold 187,000 copies.[47] In Canada, the album debuted atop the Canadian Albums Chart with first-week sales of 12,000 copies, becoming the band's first number-one album on the chart.[48] The album was certified Gold in Canada on September 26, 2013.[49] The album sold 12,286 copies to enter the UK Albums Chart at number two, earning the band its highest-charting album yet in the United Kingdom.[50]
-Louie
Fragile went 2X platinum in the age of limp bizkit and korn where the record company didnt even bother and promote the album....HM sold half that in an age where he had the publicity machine behind him 999999 times more...lets be real here, in 10 years nobody is going to rank HM alongside Fragile or TDS as his best work...if anyone does, they are the clear minority...
classic quote in this blog
http://sicklydressage.wordpress.com/...itation-marks/
"If you’re enough of a Nine Inch Nails fan to know what Echoing The Sound is, though, you’ll probably welcome this into the canon like the New Testament"
Fragile got decimated by the media and HM gets praised...just further proof how clueless the music critics are....its almost like older bands that the music critics ignored forever or badmouthed in their prime are now getting praised for their newer work (even though the newer work is half of what the older work is) not just with NIN, its happening with people like Nick cave or Pearl Jam as well.....listen to the music critics they will tell you Nick Cave is better than ever when most Cave fans would say his peak was the 80s, early 90s...the media claims Pearl Jam is better than ever, go on the PJ forums and they think the band is horrible now and has put out horrible records ever since 2005...PJ fans are a lot more vocal, they dont ballsuck...like errr a lot of NIN fans seem to do
Last edited by billpulsipher; 11-04-2014 at 05:29 PM.
Also, there is no way to say "X is the best" when it comes to music. Because it is entirely subjective. We can say "I like this album more because _____". But it is impossible to state with certainty that one is better than another, because it all depends on taste. There are tons of people where HM is probably the ONLY NIN album that they like. And that's fine!
Also, comparing album sales now to in the 90s is silly.
Agreed. QOTSA's Songs for the Deaf just hit No. 40 on the Billboard album chart because the Google Play store did a 99-cent sale -- only took 8,000 sales to hit No. 40. Crazy.
Last edited by jessamineny; 11-04-2014 at 06:24 PM.
The effort it took to facepalm Bill's post was more than it deserved