Slipknot

[Halo Infinity]

I'm a bit surprised that I didn't ask this question within the first few pages of this thread, but was Vol. 3: (The Subliminal Verses) the first Slipknot album to divide the fan-base?

Did a lot of Maggots give up on Slipknot after Iowa? I'm sure they were still at their peak at the time though, as it was a very successful record which also seemed to win over a lot of newer and younger fans in the second half of the 2000s. I've always found that topic interesting among bands in general.

And to add to the discussion of the new album, I'm definitely looking forward to it, as I'm very curious as to how it will be with the way things are, aside from Slipknot being one of my most favorite bands from the 2000s.

@Self.Destructive.Pattern - I took some time to listen to Vol. 3 (The Subliminal Verses) again, and I see what you mean. I guess you could say that it would switch around with All Hope Is Gone for me, but I still have yet to give both of them proper listens again, as it's been a while. Circle and Danger - Keep Away were some of my favorite songs from that album as far as the soft tracks went. The Blister Exists and Pulse Of The Maggots were also instant favorites of mine too.

[virushopper]

Oh there we go! Chris Adler is out. Drum machine and other dudes are still in the running.

[Piko]

I'm a bit surprised that I didn't ask this question within the first few pages of this thread, but was Vol. 3: (The Subliminal Verses) the first Slipknot album to divide the fan-base?

Did a lot of Maggots give up on Slipknot after Iowa? I'm sure they were still at their peak at the time though, as it was a very successful record which also seemed to win over a lot of newer and younger fans in the second half of the 2000s. I've always found that topic interesting among bands in general.

And to add to the discussion of the new album, I'm definitely looking forward to it, as I'm very curious as to how it will be with the way things are, aside from Slipknot being one of my most favorite bands from the 2000s.

@Self.Destructive.Pattern - I took some time to listen to Vol. 3 (The Subliminal Verses) again, and I see what you mean. I guess you could say that it would switch around with All Hope Is Gone for me, but I still have yet to give both of them proper listens again, as it's been a while. Circle and Danger (Keep Away) were some of my favorite songs from that album as far as the soft tracks went. The Blister Exists and Pulse Of The Maggots were also instant favorites of mine too.

Vol. 3 has grown on me over the years. My main problem is how mainstream they're becoming. If Corey wants to play generic radio hits, he has Stone Sour for that. Stone Sour has definitely affected Slipknot. Song's like Dead Memories are definitely more Stone Sour.

[mrselfdestruct94]

I'm a bit surprised that I didn't ask this question within the first few pages of this thread, but was Vol. 3: (The Subliminal Verses) the first Slipknot album to divide the fan-base?

Did a lot of Maggots give up on Slipknot after Iowa? I'm sure they were still at their peak at the time though, as it was a very successful record which also seemed to win over a lot of newer and younger fans in the second half of the 2000s. I've always found that topic interesting among bands in general.

And to add to the discussion of the new album, I'm definitely looking forward to it, as I'm very curious as to how it will be with the way things are, aside from Slipknot being one of my most favorite bands from the 2000s.

@Self.Destructive.Pattern - I took some time to listen to Vol. 3 (The Subliminal Verses) again, and I see what you mean. I guess you could say that it would switch around with All Hope Is Gone for me, but I still have yet to give both of them proper listens again, as it's been a while. Circle and Danger (Keep Away) were some of my favorite songs from that album as far as the soft tracks went. The Blister Exists and Pulse Of The Maggots were also instant favorites of mine too.

I was fourteen when Vol 3: The Subliminal Verses came out, and shortly after that record's release Slipknot blew up. I knew people in school who would never even consider listening to a heavy metal song actually going out and buying the album and loving it. I think it definitely registered with a lot of younger people around my age and brought in a larger number of fans. As for older fans, I can only go off my experience, but I knew a handful of kids who adored Slipknot during the Iowa era. I remember one guy must have had over half a dozen shirts with either the band's image or a picture of a goat and he wore each one with such pride. These kids were actually the ones who drew my awareness to Slipknot, and who let me borrow their CDs and introduced me to other less well known metal bands. When Vol. 3 came out one of them skipped school in order to get to Best Buy the moment they opened just so he could listen to it. From talking to them about The Subliminal Verses after I'd listened to it, they all fucking loved it. If there was any negative feelings towards the album (I didn't frequent internet forums at this time in my life) I didn't hear any of it. The Subliminal Verses was my go to listen for almost a year until a record called With Teeth came out and introduced me to Nine Inch Nails. I remember a lot of people really liking it, a lot of people who wouldn't normally give that kind of music a chance, and I thought that was pretty cool.

[Piko]

I was 14 when I heard the first album (with purity on it!). I was hooked. It was a long wait for Iowa. Vol. 3 came out, and my first thought was "what the hell happened to his scream". I was overly harsh on it. Think I needed to grow up a little more to appreciate it. Iowa is my favorite, and I don't know if they'll ever match it.

[Halo Infinity]

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[Halo Infinity]

@Piko - I'm sorry, it's the restriction to one video per post from my end. Did you ever get it? I still have yet to get them. I'll at least get them up to Vol. 3: (The Subliminal Verses), and I definitely loved what they did with Slipknot's re-release. (Which is the only re-release I have so far.)

[Piko]

I didn't even know there was an anniversary edition for it... Gonna have to look into that.

[Halo Infinity]

I made a mistake. I think there's only 10th anniversary re-releases for Slipknot and Iowa in 2009 and 2011. Slipknot was easier to find on Amazon. I also found Iowa, but it costs a lot more than usual as it's harder to find, with one of the URLs being an import.

http://www.amazon.com/Slipknot-10th-...th+Anniversary

http://www.amazon.com/Iowa-10th-Anni...th+Anniversary

http://www.amazon.com/Iowa-Slipknot/...th+Anniversary

[Halo Infinity]

I like their pop songs/singles (Wait and Bleed, Left Behind, Before I Forget etc), can't sit through their albums.

For quite a while, I was actually under the impression that you might've loved Slipknot and Iowa if you've enjoyed albums like Korn, Life Is Peachy, Three Dollar Bill, Yall$ and Significant Other, so that kind of left me a bit surprised. I thought you weren't really into Slipknot these days because of the way Vol. 3: (The Subliminal Verses) and All Hope Is Gone sounded.

I understand if Slipknot in general aren't your cup of tea though. I would've responded two years ago, but I wasn't really following the Slipknot thread that much back then. Anyway, I've been on a Slipknot kick lately, and was just lurking around this thread.

[decadent]

Slipknots live albums are just the best work-out music. So much energy!

[wight rabbit]

Slipknots live albums are just the best work-out music. So much energy!

Excluding "Live 9.0," right? Corey's screaming is so bad on those recordings... Why they chose to record when Corey wasn't at his best remains a mystery to me.

[ryanmcfly]

Excluding "Live 9.0," right? Corey's screaming is so bad on those recordings... Why they chose to record when Corey wasn't at his best remains a mystery to me.

I think just for the sake of documenting it. I love how they document every touring cycle, but I will agree that Corey's voice wasn't too good back then. The screeching thing was awful live, though I did like the way it sounded on some of Come What(ever)may.

edit: I can't wait for The Devil in I.

[MrSlfDstruct]

Slipknot could use a little help in the marketing department. They release a "single" three weeks ago, build some excitement with the countdown to the video, then count down to artwork (??) a week later, and then . . . nothing for two weeks now.

In these internet days, boys, shit moves quickly. Gotta keep the momentum going. For a week after the artwork was announced I was digging anywhere I could for a hint on when The Devil In I is coming, now I'm back to shrugging my shoulders and it'll happen when it happens and I'll casually come across it in my Twitter feed, just like the last six years.

In that department, I really liked how the Hesitation Marks reveal was handled. Just a blitz of information on June 6, almost to the point that it was overwhelming. I was losing my mind that day, I loved it.

[wight rabbit]

I agree completely. I caught on to the teaser videos late, but after "The Negative One" was released I started looking for more news every day. It's gotten to the point where I'm seeing the same articles in search results, so, like you, I'm just going to let it come.

[MrSlfDstruct]

Every time I complain something happens. Maybe I have some cosmic Slipknot link where they must succumb to all my written demands.



I haven't listened yet, of course it hits right as I go out for brunch.

[Piko]

Sure that's not a Stone Sour track? Dumb decision to give joey the axe.

[gorast]

The drumming does sound rather strange. The track's good overall, though.

[Piko]

Sounds like a drum machine this time around

[mrselfdestruct94]

A lot more melodic, a lot softer too. I like it, although The Negative One is a superior track. I think this is the weakest lead single they've released in their entire catalog. I'm glad they didn't opt for a Duality or Psychosocial clone which would have been the safe option, but I was expecting something to that degree. Slipknot fans who bitch about how Stone Sour's influence is leaking into the former's music will unfortunately have a whole new arsenal of criticism to work with. But all that aside, it's a solid track. I think it'll bring in a younger fan base who might have been too young to check out All Hope Is Gone when it came out. It'll definitely draw in listeners who've never heard of Slipknot before or given much thought to them. The musicianship is solid but nothing extraordinary really leaps out. The clean vocals fit well with the tone The Devil In I establishes. This one didn't really remind me of previous Slipknot releases, unlike The Negative One which sounded like a nice blend of their self-titled album and Iowa. I guess that's a good thing and shows the band is still all for experimenting with their sound.

[virushopper]

Sounds like a drum machine this time around

My theory is probably they started recording with a drum machine then slowly transition to an actual drummer.

Upon on a re-listen, I wonder if they call Al Jourgenson's drum machine guy for this particular song.

[Piko]

The first track sounds like an actual drummer. This one, not so much. My guess is that some tracks may have programming, and some may have session drummers. I wonder if the touring drummer will allowed to be seen next tour.

[Kunstmord]

Well, this is bad.
I like the verses a lot, though (until the pre-chorus buildup). Guess my biggest complaint is that the new stuff sounds very 'thin' – Iowa especially had this absolutely massive dense sound, and the new songs sound like a usual band with a guitar player and a drummer sonic-wise. Not a fan of the drum sound.

P.S. Not that I was hoping for a lot after All Hope Is Gone, which is one of the worst albums I've willingly listened to (I know I'm in the minority).

[MrSlfDstruct]

This didn't blow my mind, but I can't say it isn't what I at least half expected: a radio single. It looks like a lot of people are taking this as an opportunity to not only bash Slipknot, but Stone Sour as well in saying that it sounds like a Stone Sour track. While I like Stone Sour (although I thought HOGAB part 2 was kind of weak), I can't say I couldn't see this song on a Stone Sour record. I've always felt like there was a good bit of distance, sound wise, between Slipknot and Stone Sour, and I guess it's unreasonable to expect that there won't be similarities.

But, for a Slipknot track, this is too much clean-vocal styling for my taste. The chorus starts off awesome (Step inside, see the Devil in I), but falls flat after that. I'm hoping for more Negative One and less Devil In I.

[Space Suicide]

Evidently in metal fan waves elsewhere:

Metal music with clean vocals = shit and is a "poser" track and attempt.

Unless the vocals constantly sound like a garbage disposal I guess it's rubbish to everyone.

I enjoyed this new track more than the others. I like both Vermilion Pt. 1 and 2 as well as Snuff so yeah.

[Piko]

This didn't blow my mind, but I can't say it isn't what I at least half expected: a radio single. It looks like a lot of people are taking this as an opportunity to not only bash Slipknot, but Stone Sour as well in saying that it sounds like a Stone Sour track. While I like Stone Sour (although I thought HOGAB part 2 was kind of weak), I can't say I couldn't see this song on a Stone Sour record. I've always felt like there was a good bit of distance, sound wise, between Slipknot and Stone Sour, and I guess it's unreasonable to expect that there won't be similarities.

But, for a Slipknot track, this is too much clean-vocal styling for my taste. The chorus starts off awesome (Step inside, see the Devil in I), but falls flat after that. I'm hoping for more Negative One and less Devil In I.

I actually enjoy Stone Sour's HOGAB2. Slipknot has likely went past it's expiration date like many others (korn, etc). Corey wants to write straight forward radio hits. Not saying that I'm expecting another Iowa. But I'd like to actually hear difference between the two. Only difference now is one has a few samples and turntables, one doesn't. different bands playing the same music. Just because you feel like putting on on a mask, doesn't make it a slipknot song (aesthetically).

[MrSlfDstruct]

In quickly reading some reactions to the track I was surprised that the word "poser" is still used so commonly. I haven't heard anybody say that word aloud in years.

[Piko]

"Poser" as in seven guys writing music that they're not emotionally invested in, and releasing similar material of another band? But, that's probably not what most people are saying...

[Space Suicide]

"Poser" as in seven guys writing music that they're not emotionally invested in, and releasing similar material of another band? But, that's probably not what most people are saying...

No they're "poser" because you can understand the lyrics and they're not black or death metal. Or the beloved h4Rdc0r3 br00t4l grindcore.