Marilyn Manson Sexual Abuse Allegations

**allegro** · 02-05-2021, 02:21 PM

This "Generation" thing is only a tool for market-targeting, anyway. So people can sell you shit.

I do see differences - good ones, I think - in younger generations bringing about a lot more change, e.g. refusing to accept status quo. BLM, LGBTQ, ERA, civil rights, justice reform, addressing climate change, fair pay, balanced life and work, refusal to accept rape culture, etc., it's all great stuff. I have great faith in our younger generations. They can't do it alone, though; we need to help them.

P.S. - I threw my old copy of Manson's book into the recycling bin today. It was the only Manson thing I owned. (Edit: I had to find it, first.)

**firewlker** · 02-05-2021, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by poinoup

Got a text from a friend asking if I wanted the book or the "God Is..." on VHS. I said she should go make a buck on eBay with it, some gonad will buy it.

I'll probably sell my cds too, or trade for anothers in a store.

**october_midnight** · 02-05-2021, 02:27 PM

Thought this was an important read.

**poinoup** · 02-05-2021, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by firewlker

I'll probably sell my cds too, or trade for anothers in a store.

Those are already gone. She didn't care about limited editions, vinyls or the like. I think I should go find that book and that VHS here and go have a little campfire.

**ickyvicky** · 02-05-2021, 03:44 PM

Manager Tony Ciulla has now dropped Manson

**Erneuert** · 02-05-2021, 04:16 PM

Never liked this guy. Never got into any of his music. Glad I never did.

**Erneuert** · 02-05-2021, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Jinsai

EDIT: Nevermind, there's no good reason for me to explain it.

Sorry, but I really want to hear more about this Gillian Anderson story as well, lol. PM?

**Erneuert** · 02-05-2021, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Magnetic

I’m glad he did put out a statement. I don’t think he had to, but I’m glad he confronted it (again) rather than remaining silent.

i fucking hate Manson. I’ve never been a fan, and I always just found him to be some disgusting creepoid. I remember people trying to compare Mason to Alice Cooper, but there’s no similarity. Alice Cooper got sober and helped others. Manson has always been the same sack of shit, digging deeper into his persona of being fucked up and vile.

My sentiments exactly.

**Erneuert** · 02-05-2021, 04:37 PM

Sorry for four posts in a row - just finding out about all this now. Been away.

Anyway, just read that story about the “fish woman” thing for the first time. Umm, why would he have something published like that in the first place? Would want to? What publisher would let someone, even? I’m at a loss after reading that.

**elevenism** · 02-05-2021, 04:38 PM

I never thought anything about manson was just a "persona," since the time I was exposed to his band opening for NIN in 94.

He always seemed like a legitimately pretty twisted dude to me. I stopped with Smells Like Children. I didn't keep listening to it because it honestly creeped me out.

I guess I'm surprised that ANYONE is surprised about rape/abuse allegations against this dude, or trying to claim he wouldn't do such things.

I really wouldn't put ANYTHING past that guy, I guess, is what I'm saying.

**Erneuert** · 02-05-2021, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by elevenism

I never thought anything about manson was just a "persona," since the time I was exposed to his band opening for NIN in 94.

He always seemed like a legitimately pretty twisted dude to me. I stopped with Smells Like Children. I didn't keep listening to it because it honestly creeped me out.

I guess I'm surprised that ANYONE is surprised about rape/abuse allegations against this dude, or trying to claim he wouldn't do such things.

I really wouldn't put ANYTHING past that guy, I guess, is what I'm saying.

I remember walking past a CD store when I was 9 or something and seeing the album cover and "Smells Like Children" title and was genuinely uneasy.

**october_midnight** · 02-05-2021, 05:29 PM

Interestingly enough, not me. I knew as a teenager that it was all shtick. The fact that he’s a piece of shit regardless is sort of a separate issue. Just my opinion.

**M1ke** · 02-05-2021, 06:09 PM

I grew up as a latchkey kid. I'd come home from school to an empty house, and watch TV for a couple hours until my parents came home. Then we'd have dinner, where I'd hear them tell me how terrible their days at work were, and then they'd just watch TV all night. Listening to moral condemnation of everything from my parents, and then hearing it echoed on talk show hosts and news shows, Marilyn Mason sounded like a relief. For me it meant acceptance of life, even if it may not be perfect, and accepting the gritty sides that get looked down on, and maybe shouldn't be.

And listening to him talk about the media, and the messages that I interpreted from his music, it helped me recognize that a lot of the condemnation I was hearing was harmful and unnecessary. In that way, his music and his early interviews had a positive impact on me. And I'd imagine that it had an even better positive impact on other peoples lives.

And I guess it's easier for me to take someone who I once looked at positively and acknowledge their faults, because my mother was simultaneously condemning everyone she could see in one way or another while stealing from the credit union that she worked for. I know what it's like when someone who you once looked up to is revealed to have been doing something terrible. I would have given a lot for that to have not been true, so I can understand the denial. But it is true. It is what happened.

The same person can both have a positive influence in one way, and be a horrible monster in another way. You can have been positively influenced by Manson at one point, as also be horrified and recognize the monster that he is. These things are not mutually exclusive.

Regardless of anything else though, he belongs in jail at this point. And while I'm not optimistic that he'll see the inside of a cell, I hope he does.

**Sutekh** · 02-05-2021, 06:16 PM

From 1989-2006 I thought he was, ultimately, a nerdy and harmless eccentric who acted scary and provocative to make a point and provide a show. After that I felt he became a cringily melodramatic emotional exhibitionist. I kind of tuned out after born villain, so can't really comment. But outside of being an addled deadbeat cheater and perhaps a bit neurotic, no, I didn't think he was abusive - and I wasn't aware that was a generally held perception? It's just mind-blowing to think that so much of his stuff is to be taken at face value - particularly the lyrics on later albums. Sorry for rambling on, but it is truly shocking

**onthewall2983** · 02-05-2021, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Sutekh

Yes it's true, for gen x, transgression was tied in with destruction and nihilism. I'm 35 now and some of my staff are in their early 20s - I'm astounded by healthy and positive they are. There really is hope for the future, it's kind of nice to be irrelevant. I think we all were dealing with how the boomers dragged us up, couple of lost generations in that sense. It's interesting that - in the end - millennials may have put an end to Manson's crimes

This rings so true. My sisters' kids are like this. Healthy, in strong relationships, college-educated. That's my impression at least, but I think their generation as well as the one after has a real shot at turning the tide. When that school shooting happened in Florida 3 years ago and the kids said "enough" I just thought back to Columbine, and almost how self-absorbed I was in response. The thought of this happening to my nephew or niece when they were just babies, didn't haunt me at night like maybe it should have. All I wanted to do in school was just get that 7 hours over with and long for the day I was done with it. I couldn't conjure up a nth of the courage to stand up to the NRA and raise enough noise to make the issue as public as I could, especially if such a tragedy happened in my backyard.

**elevenism** · 02-05-2021, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by october_midnight

Interestingly enough, not me. I knew as a teenager that it was all shtick. The fact that he’s a piece of shit regardless is sort of a separate issue. Just my opinion.

I think it all comes from the same insanely dark place. And while this may sound absurd to most of you, I sort of came to that conclusion at church camp when I was like, 14. I had written "Marilyn Manson" on my red Doc Martin's, (among other shit,) and I had some albums with me- including some fairly rough stuff like TDS.
But, throughout the week, I started feeling pretty fucking weird about that Manson album. I started catching a vibe of like, "this dude REALLY isnt kidding.and this ISNT just art." Then there was Smells Like Children, which, like @Erneuert said, yeah...even the title of that shit was pretty damned creepy. And then, the book was disturbing.
Add the little beef with TR, and I was out before he really even hit his stride.

I still dig that first album. It's like, somewhat kitschy, perhaps?
But I mean, Jesus: hearing things over the years like the deaf groupie story, or the "I cut myself for.every time you didn't answer my call," all that shit sort of served to affirm that my feelings about him were right.
Perhaps the SHOW is a shtick, but I think it all comes from someone who.genuinely is all about breaking every societal boundary: like that William S Burroughs book that says "nothing is sacred,.everything is permitted."

And I think that means EVERYTHING.

**firewlker** · 02-05-2021, 07:25 PM

Coming from a woman who fucked a minor, anyone surprised?
[TRIGGER WARNING ON THE LINK]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CK7klr_JcJu/

**allegro** · 02-05-2021, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by firewlker

Coming from a woman who fucked a minor, anyone surprised?

TRIGGER WARNING on this, I advise anyone who’s been abused or assaulted NOT to read this linked IG post.

It’s still bothering me, I wish I wouldn’t have read it. It’s terrible stuff posted by Asia Argento.

**Swykk** · 02-05-2021, 08:01 PM

Yeah, that’s gross. She’s awful.

Wish I had better words to describe Asia but I don’t.

**poinoup** · 02-05-2021, 08:20 PM

That way Asia can say she was always there for him, even in the darkest times. Also:

Just about to head out to the bin.

**firewlker** · 02-05-2021, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by allegro

TRIGGER WARNING on this, I advise anyone who’s been abused or assaulted NOT to read this linked IG post.

It’s still bothering me, I wish I wouldn’t have read it. It’s terrible stuff posted by Asia Argento.

Edited the post to add the TW as I shoulded made it before, I apologize for that.

**Jinsai** · 02-05-2021, 08:41 PM

wait... I guess I might be missing something. Are Asia Argento and Manson a couple now?

I just... I just hate all this bullshit.

**Sutekh** · 02-05-2021, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jinsai

wait... I guess I might be missing something. Are Asia Argento and Manson a couple now?

I just... I just hate all this bullshit.

I don't think so, but she directed that video you mentioned earlier. Which given the timeline, was lyrically probably about Rose McGowan. It's all too weird mate

**eachpassingphase** · 02-05-2021, 10:13 PM

Such a bold, edgy stance for somebody with her comments turned off!

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**allegro** · 02-05-2021, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Jinsai

wait... I guess I might be missing something. Are Asia Argento and Manson a couple now?

It doesn’t matter. What she says in that IG post is abhorrent.

**piggy** · 02-05-2021, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Erneuert

Sorry for four posts in a row - just finding out about all this now. Been away.

Anyway, just read that story about the “fish woman” thing for the first time. Umm, why would he have something published like that in the first place? Would want to? What publisher would let someone, even? I’m at a loss after reading that.