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This is all part of the plan. He's been telegraphing this exact scenario for months now. We've passed the "declare victory" phase and entered the "sow doubt" concurrently with "start suing" phases. Honestly, I expected to see a more forceful declaration of victory last night.Originally Posted by october_midnight
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He's such a petulant child. If all he does is kick and scream for the next 2 months, then it'll be time for Biden to move in before we know it. Just let him whine.
This Cannot Continue
Someone pointed something that gave me a little faith in humans, the number of post ballots. Shows just how many people were taking the virus seriously where they could. Now count EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!
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There's a sensational USPS mail ballot story floating out there being amplified by checkmarks...don't get all riled up about it just yet.
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I accidentally saw that Delaware elected an openly trans person and that was the only election news I saw before going to bed. Made me happy for her and the future. This morning? I checked once and saw not a blue wave but a blue fizzle that might win, maybe? twitter is not the real world at all and I should have known that. Hell, I did know that but I got optimistic.
I'm staying off twitter for the day, maybe even the thread. I have EOY stuff to complete so I'ma getting lost in that today instead of biting my nails.
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@cdm , yeah I’m seeing some bullshit Q screenshots going around.
Nevermind that that USPS defied a Federal court order to sweep all post offices for missing ballots; said “nah” to the judge’s deadline and said that they’ll get around to it at their own pace. We’re talking over 300,000 missing ballots.
Also, people are bitching about how Florida can count ballots so fast but Michigan doesn’t. Florida law allows them to start processing and counting ballots WEEKS ago. Michigan law allows processing and counting ballots to begin at 7 am on Election Day. Each state has its own law as to when vote-counting may begin. Many states cannot begin counting votes until Election Day.
Meanwhile, word is that Biden has received more votes than any Presidential candidate in American history.
Last edited by allegro; 11-04-2020 at 10:57 AM.
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Myself and everyone I know who voted for Biden only did it as a vote against Trump. The dude is a bad fucking candidate offering nothing inspiring who only got the nomination after every other moderate dropped and endorsed him before Super Tuesday to stop Bernie Sanders from having a chance. He was pretty much considered a laughing stock all last year during the lead up to the primaries. The dude is considering John fucking Kasich for a cabinet slot. It shouldn’t shock anyone that a lot of people didn’t feel like voting for him.
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It does not shock me that there is a sizable portion of the electorate so smug and so selfish that they can't be bothered to vote for something better than the gaslighting, race baiting, fraud of a president we have now. It goes to show "Party Over Country" isn't just for the GOP.
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Latest NYTimes election counter has Biden up 30K votes in Michigan (92% counted), up 20K in Wisconsin (97% counted). If Biden wins these two states, + Nevada and Arizona, he'll have the needed 270.
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Any democratic candidate that gave us anything but apathy would have fared infinitely better and would have given us the landslide we deserved instead of the squeaking by we are. A democrat goldfish would have fared better. I understand some people didn't like Sanders (trump would have lost in a bloodbath), but holy fuck could you imagine Warren as the democratic frontrunner?
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Bernie Sanders had zero chance of winning the general election. Zero.
Why? Because Baby Boomers and older are the biggest voting block.
And right now there’s a Republican Senate which will block everything.
You’re going to have to wait for a WHOLE BUNCH of people to die before the revolution.
Again: JOE BIDEN JUST RECEIVED MORE VOTES THAN ANY CANDIDATE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
And people who think JOE BIDEN is a fucking socialist showed up EN MASSE to try to keep Joe the Marxist out of the White House.
THAT is why you’re seeing a slim margin and record-setting voting. DURING A GLOBAL PANDEMIC.
Last edited by allegro; 11-04-2020 at 10:52 AM.
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Yeah I don't know why people would say Bernie would win easily.
Trump would scream "socialism" even louder.
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not a fan of the dude, but he lets it be known that Trump is an idiot for declaring victory:
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No, I'm talking about the claim that there are 300,000 missing ballots floating around somewhere. There seems to be a somewhat plausible explanation as to why ballots would have been delivered but not destination scanned. Hearing in progress right now to determine whether or not that explanation is legit.
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Right. Judge Sullivan, he’s the same Judge who refused to drop the Flynn charges:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ts/6151663002/
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trump asking or a recount of WI
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Look. I'm not surprised that, even now, there are people who think Sanders would have fared worse than Biden's (electorally) anemic performance. I mean, when I look at the fact that Florida rejected Biden while approving a $15 minimum wage by over twenty points, and the fact that Biden is absolutely hemorrhaging the Latino support that Sanders' campaign consistently showed (don't tell the people who thought Biden winning South Carolina, a red state with no chance of being won by a Democrat in a presidential election, meant that "people of color have spoken"), I have a hard time understanding it. But conventional notions of electability are hard to shake.
But if there's any one thing that should be beyond fucking dispute right now, it's that all this "going too far left scares people, hew to the center, appeal to Never Trump Republicans" rhetoric was, and is, garbage. The Lincoln Project was a scam, and all their over-financed overtures and self-congratulatory media dumps amounted to absolutely nothing. Anyone who gave them money, or thought the Democrats had better chances kissing up to Republicans than genuinely embracing leftist reform, got played.
The "Never Trump Republican", the "decent Republican", they don't fucking exist, at least not to an extent that they represent a voting bloc worth appealing to. A "Never Trump Republican" is an image sensitive right-winger who is totally comfortable with Trump's agenda (aka the thing that is actually horrific about his presidency) but uncomfortable with Trump's crass immaturity and the idea of being called a racist. Anyone who acted like the support of this political persuasion was crucial and dangerously undermined by a "too left" candidate was unintentionally clueless or intentionally deceptive, the latter being the case for many Democratic officials who are committed to the party's stagnation. If the Democratic party means to have any meaningful future, it will follow where the Squad leads.
Biden still has a shot. But it shouldn't be nearly this close. We Americans should all feel a great shame for that. And so should the Democratic Party.
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On the subject of Ocasio-Cortez, would she be eligible to run one day? Like she seem's to be doing and saying all the right things, and is successfully engaging with younger voters like the Twitch stream, alot of younger people know who she is...that could be massive in like 5-10 years when a lot of them can start voting if she keeps this going.
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THEN WHY ARE YOU, AS A COUNTRY, STILL GOING WITH THAT GREAT ELECTORS BULLSHIT? ISN'T THE POPULAR VOTE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE?
About the polls: Yes Biden was ahead of Trump. But it's not the only polls that were telling; the satisfaction polls about Trump's job handling different matters were also bad for the idiot. Everything pointed in favor of Biden. Suddenly, the sociopath in charge gets all these votes? Yeah right. "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"
You guys need to reform your whole electoral process asap. I'm so pissed at you right now.
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In my opinion, if the republican candidate had been anyone else, they would have conceded when Biden took the lead in Michigan.
Everyone knows Trump is going to fight the results as hard as he possibly can, with legal methods (requesting recounts), baseless court challenges and disinformation campaigns. The media is doing their best to appear impartial and to not give him ground to say "Look, they counted me out before it was over".
None of these things are going to matter. It's over, Biden won.
The news isn't going to say it yet, because if they do, it gives him more ammunition to say "look, the evil fake news is out to get me!". Let him bring his court challenges and watch them fail. Let him launch his disinformation campaigns to try and sow doubt, and watch it not matter.
I've watched CNN interviewing polling station workers and officials who are all saying "this was done legally and accurately", and who are being incredibly transparent about the process. And the news media is sticking with the slower official counts rather than calling it over as quickly as they normally would. Today, that's exactly what they should be doing, building up the trust in the institutions that have come under heavy attack, rather than trying to be the first to declare a winner.
With a reasonable Republican candidate running, they would have called this thing for Biden by now. Trump is not that person, and the news is giving him the opportunity to show how unreasonable he is. They're going to stay neutral on his baseless court challenges until the courts strike them down. They're going to defend his right to request a recount, because he's legally allowed one. They're not going to call anything official until it's official, because without one candidate conceding, it's not technically over until the electoral college casts their votes.
But for all intents and purposes, this thing is over. Biden has won and will be sworn into the oval office in January.
Last edited by M1ke; 11-04-2020 at 12:30 PM.
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how the fuck did susan collins win? also kanye got 6000 votes in oklahoma.
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It's in the Constitution and would require an amendment to abolish it. It's tough to do when one party regularly benefits from the system and the other lacks the political will to do much of anything.
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I wonder if Trent would let Trump play 'The Beginning of the End' at his campaigns, i can picture it now... song starts and Trump walks onto the stage.
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Winner of the popular vote since 1992:
Clinton (1992) D
Clinton (1996) D
Gore (2000) D
Bush (2004) R
Obama (2008) D
Obama (2012) D
Clinton (2016) D
Biden (2020) D
That's why the Republican Party will never want to get rid of the electoral college.
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this is done. Biden has won it. The question is whether or not Trump will concede, and where we go from there.
RE: the fact that Biden is projected to receive the most votes in American history, as @allegro is pointing out, there's a flip-side to that. Trump is going to be #2 it seems.
That's the insane thing. They were right about this silent contingent. The polls were wrong. Trump has way more widespread support than anyone tabulated. He's still going to lose, but that's really not a great thing that he commands that level of popularity, even despite the state we're in. The fact that it's this close is terrifying. We're in for some interesting times.
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As @cdm said:
It's in our Constitution, from over 200 years ago. I agree that it sucks.
But a Constitutional amendment requires two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.
You must get 286 House members (out of 450) to approve it. There are currently 197 Republicans and 232 Democrats.
You must get 66 Senators to approve it.
115th Congress (2017-2019)
Majority Party: Republican (51 seats of 100 who will never approve)
116th Congress (2019-2021)
Majority Party: Republican (53 seats of 100 who will never approve)
You must get at least 35 states to approve it.
Here are the blue states (likely to approve it): https://www.270towin.com/content/blue-and-red-states
(Around 17 of the required 35 states)
As far as the "process" etc.:
Each state has its own Constitution and its own election laws, and these laws include how and when it processes ballots, including when it begins COUNTING ballots.
Florida began processing and counting ballots weeks ago.
Michigan, by Michigan law, cannot begin processing (meaning opening mail-in ballots) and counting ballots until 7 a.m. on Election Day.
See this:
https://ballotpedia.org/When_states_..._ballots,_2020
Last edited by allegro; 11-04-2020 at 01:22 PM.
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AND, Trump and the Republican Party managed to institute a HUGE voter registration effort in the midst of a global pandemic, bringing in MASSIVE numbers of new voters. And these new voters are gleefully authoritarian, and fully against this "socialism" thing. They're pushing everything far to the right, and they aren't going away. They're growing in numbers and they're younger and younger.
Just because Trump "lost" does NOT mean he's going away.
He's going to be leading his Kingdom, he and his authoritarian family, from his Twitter feed, from his southern white house, continuing to pull GOP strings.
Last edited by allegro; 11-04-2020 at 01:16 PM.
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I'm nervous about Nevada lol
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Nevada will go blue, just like it did in 2016... but, yes, this is too close for comfort, and if NV slides red, we're in trouble.
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