11/08/2022, The Midterms, aka build on 2020 aka The Election Thread

[versusreality]

Oh man, I would love for Michelle to be VP. You want someone the black community adores? That's your pick.
I can only speak on behalf of my gf, (she's black) her family, and the community she lives in but they can't stand Kamala. They do, however, love Abrams They're not happy that Clayburn likes Harris either. I know "black twitter" is a thing, but my gf was telling me she avoids it- too toxic. . But Michelle is practically worshipped. A bummer she has no interest in running. There's a part of me that think the reason why Obama is quiet is because he's not going to say anything until Michelle is the pick. That's just wishful thinking on my behalf.

Whitmer is floating around as a potential pick. Honestly at this point, I'm not sure going with a white woman is the best choice, most qualified or not.

[allegro]

Oh man, I would love for Michelle to be VP. You want someone the black community adores? That's your pick.
I can only speak on behalf of my gf, (she's black) her family, and the community she lives in but they can't stand Kamala. They do, however, love Abrams They're not happy that Clayburn likes Harris either. I know "black twitter" is a thing, but my gf was telling me she avoids it- too toxic. . But Michelle is practically worshipped. A bummer she has no interest in running. There's a part of me that think the reason why Obama is quiet is because he's not going to say anything until Michelle is the pick. That's just wishful thinking on my behalf.

Whitmer is floating around as a potential pick. Honestly at this point, I'm not sure going with a white woman is the best choice, most qualified or not.

I’m not digging the Whitmer idea that’s been going around, either. My Detroit relatives are joking about it. She’s needed in Michigan, and she’s entirely too white.

Black Twitter IS really toxic, your gf is right. Black Twitter sent me totally OFF of Twitter for good. There are Kamala stans there who are ... omg. No comment.

Harris turned down the AG job under Obama. Not likely she’d want it, now, but who knows.

I don’t think Val Demmings is a good choice for VP because she was an ACTUAL cop.

My other fave is Sen. Tammy Duckworth:

A combat veteran of the Iraq War, Duckworth served as a U.S. Army helicopter pilot and suffered severe combat wounds, which caused her to lose both of her legs and some mobility in her right arm. She was the first female double amputee from the war. Despite her grievous injuries, she sought and obtained a medical waiver which allowed her to continue serving as a lieutenant colonel in the Illinois Army National Guard.

Barack Obama advised Biden to choose “a yin to his yang,” which is how Obama chose Biden. This is why so many are predicting that Biden will choose Harris. But, Abrams might be this, too.

Yes, Michelle, totally my fave, total fantasy, man that would be the best. I have wishful thinking, too.

[allegro]

I know one thing: Tim Kaine was one of the DUMBEST choices ever.

(Not counting Sarah Palin, Dan Quayle, Paul Ryan.)

[theimage13]

Just go with 44. Let's get the band back together!

/s

mostly

[Magnetic]

That would be hilarious and a sure win.
Not sure that's legally possible....and it'd never happen...

[theimage13]

That would be hilarious and a sure win.
Not sure that's legally possible....and it'd never happen...

As far as I can tell it's perfectly legal for any twice-elected president to be on the ticket as VP. Whether they could actually become president, on the other hand, appears to be a legal grey area.

And obviously it's not actually happening (in this case at least), but it's fun to pick at the legality of the scenario anyway.

[Magnetic]

How else shall we pass the time?

[Deacon Blackfire]

I know one thing: Tim Kaine was one of the DUMBEST choices ever.

Seriously. Talk about a VP choice that brought absolutely no one to the table.

I am not a fan of Harris at all and would be disappointed if he went with her.

To use a phrase that could easily be the Democratic party's motto, prepare for disappointment.

[allegro]

Tim Kaine was the single most lackluster boring Democratic VP choice ever. HRC’s team might as well have chosen a lamp. I don’t expect any VP to bring anyone new (that strategy is nearly always a disaster), but the choice should at least be a good cheerleader. Tim Kaine ain’t that.

The Republicans ALWAYS win Worst VP Choice Awards, though. NOBODY will EVER beat the campaign-killing disaster that was Sarah Palin. Paul Ryan is also a great example of stupid “strategy” pick. And George HW Bush could never shake off Dan Quayle.

LBJ was a total strategy pick (JFK and LBJ despised each other) that actually won JFK the election. Once in a while, it does work.

Harris wouldn’t be a disaster choice. She’d likely make a decent President, should anything happen to Biden. Which he says is a big priority (being able to step into his shoes at a moment’s notice).

[ltrandazzo]

... I guess we’ve hit peak boredom if we’re talking about Tim Kaine.

[theimage13]

... I guess we’ve hit peak boredom if we’re talking about Tim Kaine.

It's a race between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. I'm trying to think of something less exciting, but I'm not coming up with much.

[botley]

Rancid Mayonnaise v. stale Wonderbread: the Thrilla in Vanilla!

[allegro]

I think this is more like stress-relief from Covid-19, which has (thankfully) suspended campaigning.

I can’t even imagine the HELL that awaits the next term for this upcoming President as far as deficit etc. There’s a whole lot of damage to unwind if Joe wins.

[Sarah K]

I wonder if Katie Porter is in the VP discussion at all. I love her.

[allegro]

I wonder if Katie Porter is in the VP discussion at all. I love her.

Omg YES! YES YES YES!!!!!!

[allegro]

I think the choice of Kaine probably cost Clinton some votes while motivating precisely no one. If I recall correctly, not even his state was enthusiastic.

HRC didn’t even pick Kaine. She wanted to pick her husband Bill. Until she was warned of the possible unconstitutionality. There was a big train pulling that campaign and it wasn’t led by HRC. Podesta never should have been leading it, but that’s another conversation. Kaine didn’t cost them anything. Sanders and HRC could never work together, so Sanders was never a VP choice. HRC won the popular vote by 4 million, they only lost the Electoral College by 77,000 votes. Those 77,000 votes in the Rust Belt had very little to do with Tim Kaine or Bernie Sanders, and had a lot more to do with Donald Trump and his Circus of Campaign Promises appealing to a bunch of idiots.

Trump is already inviting Sanders voters to cross over to the dark side and vote for Trump. He has cookies!

https://www.salon.com/2020/04/09/tru...nst-joe-biden/

Not to take this hindsight is 20/20 whiny autopsy too far, but the HRC VP choice should have been Julian Castro. But it wouldn’t have mattered. Because even more idiot right-wing assholes would have voted for Trump. I can’t stress enough the huge number of idiots in this country. People seem to think that there are more smart nice people than racist idiots and that the only reason the racist idiots’ candidate won was because the smart nice people had a bad candidate, when the truth is that the racist idiots simply outnumbered the others in the polls in the Rust Belt and gamed the system.

Bottom line is that a bunch of right-wing assholes overwhelmed the polls, CHEATED, USED VOTER SUPPRESSION AND RACISM, and voted for a totally dangerous dickhead who’s a puppet for an even more dangerous Republican Congress. And now it’s time to get rid of that dickhead and remove those assholes from Congress.

The other side elected a guy who is corrupt, a gangster, a business failure, a known liar, an egomaniac, and they didn’t care. Because they wanted to WIN.

Meanwhile, there are leftist voters who are purists who pick apart the history of candidates as if they’re choosing someone to adopt their kid. They don’t play to win, they play only for morality and purist ideology, which is a losing game against Republicans who don’t care about any of that shit.

The Republicans cheat. They game the system that results in voter suppression. They rig voting machines. They close the majority of polling locations. They rig mail-in ballots. They would sell their grandmas to win.

[Magnetic]

Meanwhile, there are leftist voters who are purists who pick apart the history of candidates as if they’re choosing someone to adopt their kid. They don’t play to win, they play only for morality and purist ideology, which is a losing game against Republicans who don’t care about any of that shit.

The Republicans cheat. They game the system that results in voter suppression. They rig voting machines. They close the majority of polling locations. They rig mail-in ballots. They would sell their grandmas to win.

I wish I could mail this out to every registered democrat.

[allegro]

I wish I could mail this out to every registered democrat.

And Independents. And never-Trump Republicans who have a soul.

[ltrandazzo]

I throw the ultra liberal media/supporters of those media into the same camp as Trump voters - we're not going to win them now or ever so there shouldn't be much of an attempt to get them. Twitter isn't real life (except for coronavirus), so there isn't much that should be done there. The consolidation work to be done is to get younger voters who sat out the entire primary along with gettable Bernie supporters on board to start building a coalition that can beat Trump in November.

[Space Suicide]

I tend to stay away from this topic since I don't want to indulge arguments or banter with people I like, usually. After this past week I figure I'd stop by to say it's absolutely hilarious the DNC is this out of touch for what could and should be electable. To me, I'm almost 100% in agreement they handed Donald Trump a second term. Out of nearly a dozen and a half candidate runners for the Democratic Nominee and the weakest, oldest and flat out STUPIDEST candidate got the blessing for the Primary in November. What a joke. I hate the US's two party system. It's about 100 years outdated by this point, if it ever was a viable approach to politics for a country to begin with. Both sides are the same coin after all facades are dropped from public showings. However, to pick this much of a limp dick and uninteresting candidate for progress as a democrat nominee is a farce.

I'll eat my words if this idiot Biden wins but seeing more viable candidates lose steam and bow out while this background scene (every debate he was picked apart or in the background) old fart gets the spot is insane. Though, maybe I won't be so rude. Biden isn't really running for the Presidency of the US. He's a democratic nominee for the US Senate after all.

[ltrandazzo]

I tend to stay away from this topic since I don't want to indulge arguments or banter with people I like, usually. After this past week I figure I'd stop by to say it's absolutely hilarious the DNC is this out of touch for what could and should be electable. To me, I'm almost 100% in agreement they handed Donald Trump a second term. Out of nearly a dozen and a half candidate runners for the Democratic Nominee and the weakest, oldest and flat out STUPIDEST candidate got the blessing for the Primary in November. What a joke. I hate the US's two party system. It's about 100 years outdated by this point, if it ever was a viable approach to politics for a country to begin with. Both sides are the same coin after all facades are dropped from public showings. However, to pick this much of a limp dick and uninteresting candidate for progress as a democrat nominee is a farce.

I'll eat my words if this idiot Biden wins but seeing more viable candidates lose steam and bow out while this background scene (every debate he was picked apart or in the background) old fart gets the spot is insane. Though, maybe I won't be so rude. Biden isn't really running for the Presidency of the US. He's a democratic nominee for the US Senate after all.

... So yeah, it was a dead heat between Bernie and Pete until voters in South Carolina propelled Biden up and shot him through the roof. The DNC doesn’t pick the nominee.

[halo eighteen]

Pete campaigned HARD in Iowa, not to mention it's an almost totally white state. As far as everyone else dropping like flies and endorsing Biden, it probably has to do with his supposed chances of winning and/or Sanders completely alienating the party. I don't think it's any sort of conspiracy.

[allegro]

The key word in @ltrandazzo ’s post: “Voters.”

Voters are the sole reason that Biden is the nominee.

Nobody holds a gun to voters’ heads. Voters use their voting rights as they choose, in privacy.

[Swykk]

Many Democrats were (and are) afraid of the changes Sanders would bring and would’ve stifled them anyway. Neither party gives a fuck about us financially because they’re paid not to. The voters, especially in the south where Biden’s resurgence occurred, do not understand that the changes Sanders wants to make would directly benefit them and eat up the “commie higher taxes socialist Venezula” bullshit.

Shorter answer—It was both. That is what happened. The centrist establishment worked double time to get Biden endorsements and the voters reacted by voting against their own best interests.

November was going to be a shit show without the pandemic. I will thoroughly enjoy being wrong but I think Trump will be re-elected. I’ll do my part to make sure that does not happen but I’m real fucking sick of morons electing morons.

[Swykk]

Double post apologies but Sanders just endorsed Biden and while it hurts every fiber of my being, I get it. Had to be done. We need all hands on deck to beat Trump and the contagion of #NeverBiden are votes for Trump even if those people don’t vote at all.

This whole thing sucks. Just plain sucks.

[theimage13]

Honestly, I'd be happy if we could just put the Jesusland Map on the ballot and vote for that in November.

[sweeterthan]

Uh yeah. I’m ok with Biden if it means we get the EPA and the pandemic response team back. That is my only expectations of the next president.


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[GulDukat]

[GulDukat]

A good but sobering article:

Why Biden’s Polling Lead vs. Trump Isn’t as Solid as It Looks

[allegro]

Fuck you, Wisconsin Republicans:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/u...y-results.html