11/08/2022, The Midterms, aka build on 2020 aka The Election Thread

[allegro]

This is eerily close to a description of my mother in law.

Wait ... Did you get MARRIED????

Here in Ohio, Trump signs are EVERYWHERE. Regardless of who our representatives are, if you went from one end of the state to the other, I can almost guarantee that you would find an overwhelming amount of support for him.

There are a ton of Trump signs in Michigan and Wisconsin, too. But, there are a lot less rural voters in Michigan and Wisconsin. Michigan and Wisconsin just elected Democratic Governors in the 2018 Midterms.

There were Scott Walker signs all over the place in Wisconsin -- GIANT ONES -- and that asshole still lost.

[Jinsai]

Wait ... Did you get MARRIED????

Well, not quite yet, but it's in the works

[Jinsai]

Jesus... I don’t know if it’s a bot misinformation campaign or what, but that’s it; fuck voting for Bernie. His super fans all seem like they’re in a cult, and I am not negotiating with bratty millennial terrorists threatening to take the ball and go home if they don’t get their way. If Sanders won’t call this sort of supporter out and tell them to shut the fuck up and grow up, then he’s complicit in this bullshit.

Sanders is now officially my last choice. I’ll still vote for him if I have to, but fuuuuuuuuck these supporters. And I say this as someone who supports everything he stands for, but fuck his cult

[Swykk]

I am not going that far because he is not what some of his supporters are saying. They’re likely still angry about 2016, which while understandable, is not a healthy attitude for the here and now.

For the millionth time, defeating Trump is the goal. If Bernie is the nominee, I’ll vote for him knowing I agree with him on many things. I hope it’s Warren but I’m going to guess it’s going to be Biden.

[theimage13]

If it comes down to Bernie, Trump, Third Party, and Write-In (or abstain), I'm voting Bernie. Otherwise, hell no.

[versusreality]

Biden: "Robert Kennedy and MLK were killed in the 70's, the late 70's" ..
yikes.

[Jinsai]

I am not going that far because he is not what some of his supporters are saying. They’re likely still angry about 2016, which while understandable, is not a healthy attitude for the here and now.

For the millionth time, defeating Trump is the goal. If Bernie is the nominee, I’ll vote for him knowing I agree with him on many things. I hope it’s Warren but I’m going to guess it’s going to be Biden.

thats the thing. If Sanders is condoning this sort of alienating and off putting “support,” then I don’t think he is the best chance to win the general election. These fanatics are gonna piss every centrist and moderate off, and we’re not even talking about the fact that the “socialist” tag freaks a lot of those people out.

but yes, of course, if he wins the primaries I’ll support him

[Swykk]

I understand but there’s a lot of shitty NIN fans. I’m not going to group them in with Trent and refuse to listen to NIN.

Maybe it’s not the exact same thing but the core idea is comparable, I think.

[Jinsai]

Yeah... it's a weird consideration, but for me it's really all boiling down to what's the "surest bet," much more than what I want most. If this is how Bernie supporters talk to people who agree with them, I'm not seeing this going well towards changing minds in the general.

[allegro]

Yeah... it's a weird consideration, but for me it's really all boiling down to what's the "surest bet," much more than what I want most. If this is how Bernie supporters talk to people who agree with them, I'm not seeing this going well towards changing minds in the general.

I run into Bernie Bros all the time in Elizabeth Warren's Instagram and Twitter feeds trolling her, telling her that she sucks for all kinds of reasons, mostly that she "didn't endorse Bernie in 2016." She didn't endorse ANYBODY in 2016 until the Democratic National Convention chose a winner. And these Bernie Bros completely discount Warren's statement that the 2016 election was rigged in Clinton's favor (which she later pretty much walked back). The bottom line is that these Bros are sexist assholes, bound and determined to try to sink Warren's campaign for no other reason than to promote their guy at the expense of Warren even though Warren is MORE qualified in many ways.

They're too stupid to realize that these votes for two progressive candidates will ultimately cancel each other out and hand BIDEN the Democratic primary win.

Warren threw her hat in the ring for 2020 FIRST, before Sanders. I contend that Sanders should have sat this one out and let Warren run; but Sanders' EGO got in the way.

[Jinsai]

I gotta wonder if it's a very vocal internet minority that rolls for Bernie like this or what... but if Sanders doesn't tell these guys to shut up, to hell with it. I just had a text show up on my phone asking if I was still interested in donating to Sanders' campaign, and that was my response; until Bernie tells his spastic toxic cultists to shut the hell up and stay on target, I'm not giving another dime.

[Swykk]

mostly that she "didn't endorse Bernie in 2016." She didn't endorse ANYBODY in 2016 until the Democratic National Convention chose a winner. And these Bernie Bros completely discount Warren's statement that the 2016 election was rigged in Clinton's favor (which she later pretty much walked back).

This is kind of legit, though. It was a tad cowardly to sit out and wait for the fix to come in. If she had endorsed him, we may not be where we are today. And she was right about the DNC to begin with. I get it, you hate Bernie and refuse to acknowledge the DNC’s hit job. You pick at him every chance you get (the black vote thing makes less sense today than it did when we disagreed about this in 2016). Are you serious about the ego thing? I hope not. He’s been releasing policies that seem an awful lot like they’d be helping the people that need it. With Trump in the game I just don’t see how you’d say “ego” with a straight face. Bernie has been the same person for longer than I’ve been alive. It’s one of the things I respect the most about him.

That said, I prefer Warren to win due to her policies, which I find superior to Bernie’s. She seems to have righted the wrongs she made in 2016. I hope she gets the nomination. The only thing that concerns me is how will she perform at the debates? Sure, she will outsmart Trump in her sleep but she’s going to need to fight fire with smarter harsher fire, I think. I hope she does come at him hard. He can barely speak as it is, it’d be lovely to watch him pout and fumble.

[allegro]

Ego = “the ‘I’ or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.”

Or, in this case, putting self-interest over country.

Warren’s platform is damned near identical to Sanders’.

Sanders could have supported Warren in her goal of being THE progressive (actual) Democrat candidate.

Instead, he wanted to WIN. That’s putting himself over country. (Egocentric thinking.)

I liked Bernie Sanders before you even knew who Bernie Sanders WAS. I don’t “hate” Bernie Sanders.

I wasn’t talking to you, I was talking to @Jinsai .

Put me on “ignore,” okay? Go block me. Please. You’ll feel lots better.

(Edit: P.s. to anyone who sends me PMs: I don’t read them. I delete them, unread. I thought I’d turned them off. They’re turned off, now. Sorry, I’ve had bad experiences with them so I stopped reading them unless they’re from an Admin.)

[Swykk]

I didn’t realize I wasn’t allowed to react or disagree with you. Thanks for defining “ego” for me. He’s still not doing that, though. Your issue seems to stem from him running as a Democrat but to expect him to step aside before the people decide is not right. He’s allowed to run for President and have a fair shot at it.

If you think 2015 was the first I learned of Sanders, I guess go ahead. I don’t see how who liked him first matters.

[Wretchedest]

One or the other needs to step aside before the primary or it's Biden by landslide

[allegro]

I gotta wonder if it's a very vocal internet minority that rolls for Bernie like this or what... but if Sanders doesn't tell these guys to shut up, to hell with it. I just had a text show up on my phone asking if I was still interested in donating to Sanders' campaign, and that was my response; until Bernie tells his spastic toxic cultists to shut the hell up and stay on target, I'm not giving another dime.

I’ve given money to Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Castro. Then I put my wallet away. I’m not an endless supply of cash, and I’m sick of all the money in party politics. I blocked the DNC phone numbers, too.

Now the DNC is sending me “Urgent Petitions” via snail mail.

[theimage13]

I’ve given money to Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Castro. Then I put my wallet away. I’m not an endless supply of cash, and I’m sick of all the money in party politics. I blocked the DNC phone numbers, too.

Now the DNC is sending me “Urgent Petitions” via snail mail.

This is part of the reason I'm registered independent. No one bugs me for anything.

[Jinsai]

This is part of the reason I'm registered independent. No one bugs me for anything.

I’m registered independent, I just get spam from anyone I’ve donated to in the past, and way too much of it was coming from Beto, and lately Sanders. Maybe not so much anymore after my response there... the Warren camp has been the least “nagging” for lack of a better way to put it... but I’ve come to realize that donating to any politician is generally asking for texts begging for money and endless junk emails.

[Swykk]

I get lots of emails from the Sanders, Harris and Warren teams.

I donated to Sanders in 2016. I’m not donating to anyone this time, not just because money is tight. I would rather give to places like the ACLU and Planned Parenthood.

[Swykk]

One or the other needs to step aside before the primary or it's Biden by landslide

This could be true. I still believe if those two join as they should have in 2016, they’d be a force to be reckoned with.

[Cookster426]

I’ve given money to Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Castro. Then I put my wallet away. I’m not an endless supply of cash, and I’m sick of all the money in party politics. I blocked the DNC phone numbers, too.

Now the DNC is sending me “Urgent Petitions” via snail mail.

Which is why you never donate money to politicians. They're like panhandlers. They always want more. Let them get money from their Hollywood friends or PACs. All politicians are about themselves and things aren't going to change until people stop voting for either of the two parties. That's my two cents.

[Wretchedest]

2 most recent polls have Biden, Sanders and Warren nearly tied

[allegro]

Which is why you never donate money to politicians. They're like panhandlers. They always want more. Let them get money from their Hollywood friends or PACs. All politicians are about themselves and things aren't going to change until people stop voting for either of the two parties. That's my two cents.

Some of the candidates aren't taking money from PACs, and I like that. But, after I give some money, I'm not up for being an endless "subscriber" and I think social media and MSM these days is adequate for campaigning. I don't think you NEED all that big money. I've seen too many candidates win various campaigns with next to nothing. They need to get rid of ALL campaign money, put all of it into a single Federal fund and all candidates get one equal share.

That's my own two cents.

[theimage13]

Steps to winning the election in 2020.

1) Nominate whoever the fuck you want.
2) Put in Obama as VP.
3) Start spreading unsourced and unfounded memes on FB about how they're only doing it so that the nominee will resign and give us four more years of Obama.
4) Watch normally apathetic Democratic non-voters turn out in droves to "re-elect Obama".

I hate that I feel like this is actually a winning strategy.

[Haysey_Draws]

I'm not a violent person, but after all the stuff with the Amazon being on actual fire and his comments about climate change i have never wanted to punch someone in the face SO MUCH in my ENTIRE LIFE! Christ on a Bike!

[theimage13]

I'm not a violent person, but after all the stuff with the Amazon being on actual fire and his comments about climate change i have never wanted to punch someone in the face SO MUCH in my ENTIRE LIFE! Christ on a Bike!

I'm honest to god shocked that there hasn't been a news report about a credit attempt on him at all in the last few years. To be clear, I am not advocating for one. It just seems statistically surprising that no one has made a serious go at it. Wonder if we'd be able to say the same if it was democrat in office who was behaving like this.

[M1ke]

I'm honest to god shocked that there hasn't been a news report about a credit attempt on him at all in the last few years. To be clear, I am not advocating for one. It just seems statistically surprising that no one has made a serious go at it. Wonder if we'd be able to say the same if it was democrat in office who was behaving like this.

Democrats don't have to behave like that to have attempts made. Multiple attempts were made on Obama's life:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assass...t_Barack_Obama

[theimage13]

Democrats don't have to behave like that to have attempts made. Multiple attempts were made on Obama's life:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assass...t_Barack_Obama

I guess I meant more "attempts that maybe had even a snowball's chance in hell". Like even the ricin letters...come on, they're never getting anywhere near the president. Any mentally competent person knows that. That's hardly any worse (in terms of level of effectiveness) than just writing some lunatic rant about it on the internet. I'm thinking more along the lines of a Hinckley / Reagan situation. Maybe it has more to do with better security than a less violent public. Who knows. Sorry, drift.

[Jinsai]

I honestly wonder if Warren and Sandra have privately spoken about one of them dropping out, or teaming up... they are so clearly splitting the progressive polls; it’s the biggest elephant in the room, and they have to know that at this point it’s the only reason Biden still has a chance

[allegro]

WE ALL NEED PAPER BALLOTS!!!!