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Faceplams: This just started streaming a few days ago. Anyone else watching this yet? I'm blown away. Really an unbelievable story. Doesn't really instill much faith in the criminal justice system (not that I ever had much to begin with).
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This just started streaming a few days ago. Anyone else watching this yet? I'm blown away. Really an unbelievable story. Doesn't really instill much faith in the criminal justice system (not that I ever had much to begin with).
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I finished it earlier today. It reinforces everything I have thought and said about police and their evil shitty blue frat wall. That goes for those lying prosecutor assholes too. Spoiler: I kept thinking the whole time, "This Krantz dickhead looks like he touches kids." But I was wrong. It turns out he likes to take advantage of abused women on top of being involved in the framing of innocents. I didn't really like the Avery family but I sure felt sorry for them.
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I'm onto episode seven now. I've never seen a series that infuriates me quite like this one. The justice system is such a joke.
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Finished the series last night. Truly unbelievable. I'm at a loss. Definitely need to rewatch this one.
Meanwhile, Robert Durst hasn't been convicted of anything.
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In my queue waiting for this holiday crap to be over.
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I'm 4 episodes in and this shit is making my fucking blood boil. I'm legit nervous to get to the end of this because I have a feeling everyone's still going to get away with everything.
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@Swykk It's funny how you can just tell, right? Ughghgh.
Amazing, terrifying series. The less time you can possibly spend in a court room, the better your life will be. Trial by jury is one of the myriad reasons I make a lot of noise about how bad our education system is.
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I binged watched this series over the last few days.
It was indeed infuriating.
Did the prosecutor even have a motive for the murder?
I get the that the State Court is not infallible but it's the job of the State's Supreme Court to correct or at the very least, revisit something that may have been done improperly before the court of first instance.
I thought for sure that Brendan would've gotten a new trial. I really felt sorry for the kid. His initial lawyer was clearly not working FOR his client. The evidence was overwhelmingly in his favor for him to get a new trial.
But are we really surprised about this?
This is not the first time this happens. The investigation that lead to the wrongfully accused teen in "Murder On A Sunday Morning" was some pretty shitty detective work too.
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It's one of those realizations for me that my idea of the justice system in this country, as flawed as I already knew it to be, was still fantasy - much like this fantasy I had about journalists, or to a much lesser degree, musicians (when I was in high school), or other things that I thought were noble. We're told uplifting stories about these things, probably in an effort to inspire people who become cops, judges, attorneys, whatever, to live up to this ethical standard that just plain does not exist. Means, motive and opportunity are apparently only important in Columbo and Law & Order.
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Kratz is so full of shit. It infuriates me. In his closing he says the reason her DNA wasn't found in the trailer was because she was killed in the garage.
Her DNA wasn't found in the garage either!!!! GMAFB
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Started this last night and it's amazing/terrifying
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Good article from Time Magazine.
http://time.com/4166567/making-a-mur...flix-petition/
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There are some pretty big similarities with the Paradise Lost films here. You should check them out if you liked this.
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I'm mixed on this.
On its own, as a TV series, it is entertaining. But there is more going on...
1 - It continues this weird thing of turning someone's life destruction into entertainment the same way things like Serial do. It would be one thing if this were activism, but its not... it's very obviously entertainment.
2 - I'm glad more people are finally receptive of police corruption. BUT the reaction of the public is pretty sad. 260k people have already petitioned THE PRESIDENT to pardon someone under a STATE CONVICTION. Fucking idiots. Further, there are even more people who want to see some action after they have watched the series.... without any further research. There was a LOT more that happened in the court room that wasn't shown in your made-for-Netflix TV show. This is some straight outta Idiocracy legal system you guys are creating. If you feel the guy was wronged, at least go and look up the rest of the evidence... then petition for a retrial. A pardon is dumb, but even if you want to petition for one... at least figure out the right location to petition for it. Fuck.
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paging @allegro to the fun.
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This pretty much echoes the content of Time's article. I completely agree.Originally Posted by DigitalChaos
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Finished this last night. I can't really say if I think Avery was actually innocent or guilty, but either way those cops and investigators did some really shady shit and completely fucked over Dassey.
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I'll throw in The Thin Blue Line, which is available on Netflix.
Surprised no one has mentioned the Ken Kratz e-mail that was reported on a few days ago. True crime, but spoilers.
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I wish I could see peoples faces when the throw that in to google
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These shows are often slanted for hyperbole and don't explain things like pattern jury instructions or grounds for a retrial or anything like that. Yes, there are injustices in the criminal system, absolutely. And it usually happens to minorities who were railroaded with cajoled "witnesses" and lying police officers, etc. And in those cases, a retrial is difficult because no "error" happened that is provable. See "Appealing a Conviction." See: Innocence Project.
This really great story, of two men who were wrongfully accused and both later released after spending years in prison, was on the front page of the Chicago Tribune at Christmastime; both men were released due to innocence projects.
In this case, this is ABSOLUTELY INSANE:
In the fall of 2010, the judge issued his decision. Although he acknowledged that the evidence could point to Coleman's innocence, he said it was not so powerful that it would have changed the result at a retrial, the standard he said he had to rely on to make his ruling.
"Is it possible that the Petitioner is actually innocent?" the judge wrote in his decision. "Yes, even the most efficacious court system in the world cannot achieve absolute truth. … Is the evidence offered at this hearing of such a conclusive character that it would probably change the result on retrial? No." [NOTE THAT FIVE CONVICTED INDIVIDUALS AT THE CRIME SCENE SAID THAT THIS DEFENDANT COLEMAN WAS NOT THERE.]Coleman lost in the Illinois Appellate Court and Daniel took his case to the Illinois Supreme Court, where, with Holland watching, she argued that the Peoria judge's ruling and the appeals court's decision to deny Coleman some relief was wrong. She also filed a clemency petition seeking a commutation of Coleman's sentence.
In October 2013, three years after Coleman had lost his appeal in the trial court, the Illinois Supreme Court unanimously reversed his conviction and ordered a new trial. It wrote that the judge's decision had been "manifestly erroneous," a strongly worded rebuke.
Not long after that, prosecutors decided not to retry Coleman.
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Of course this is old hat for allegro. It looks like these types of movies/tv shows aren't at all new... i guess it is just the extreme popularity of them that has grown.
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http://mobile.onmilwaukee.com/movies...instavery.html
The car key unearthed in Avery's residence had DNA from his sweat on it ... Even though the defense focused on the prior blood sample as a source of planted DNA evidence.
Dassey's mother said Dassey helped Avery clean his garage floor ... Dassey’s pants had bleach stains that he said were from helping clean the garage, transcripts say.
Avery's blood was found in six places in the Halbach vehicle, and DNA from his sweat was found on a hood latch
Avery once opened his door "just wearing a towel" when Halbach went to his property previously
Avery called Auto Trader to specifically request Halbach the day she died
Avery called Halbach's cell phone three times, twice using the Star-67 feature to hide his identity
Avery gave a false name when he called Auto Trader
...and a few others in the article. Not sure why the presence of porn is of any value though.
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The key wasn't unearthed. It only showed up after the crooked local cops with $36m in personal liability showed up on the scene.
Melissa watches Forensic Files as background noise while she works, and I've seen a lot of Forensic Files. You can bleach concrete, but it's a very porous material. I've seen a couple of episodes of shows where they the perp bleached a concrete floor (a storage unit comes to mind) and they jackhammered the floor and were able to retrieve blood from the concrete. The other thing I know too much about from that (and other) shows? Blood spatter evidence. Blood spatter goes fucking everywhere, and investigators have Luminol, and that garage was like a hoarder's living room. If there was violence perpetrated in the garage, it would have taken a team of people a week to clean every item in there, and another week to reintroduce dust and other particulates, and investigators would determine the whole thing was fake as hell.Dassey's mother said Dassey helped Avery clean his garage floor ... Dassey’s pants had bleach stains that he said were from helping clean the garage, transcripts say.
I'm still not sold on the authenticity of the blood, and any suspect brought into a station for a murder investigation gets observed for things like scratches, bruises, or other injuries. If he had a cut on him and was like, "Oh, I scratched my arms falling on a nail", then yeah, I'll call that into doubt any day. I don't have the link on me, but I did read that either Dassey's father or the other guy who corroborated his alibi (with information that didn't match other witness information) was said to have scratches and a bullshitty excuse for them.Avery's blood was found in six places in the Halbach vehicle, and DNA from his sweat was found on a hood latch
Also: DNA sweat on the hood latch, on the key, but nowhere else in the car? Not in the headrest? Armrest? No hair or fiber evidence in the entire car?
All creeptastic things. Dude's a fuckin' weirdo. Murderer? The physical evidence just does not hold up.Avery once opened his door "just wearing a towel" when Halbach went to his property previously
Avery called Auto Trader to specifically request Halbach the day she died
Avery called Halbach's cell phone three times, twice using the Star-67 feature to hide his identity
Avery gave a false name when he called Auto Trader
Amplified character assassination. Same as when they put him away the first time. The whole town hates this family, and obviously it's a weird fucking family - but that's not enough. You need to turn them into evil demons, capable of anything. Porn is still very scary to sheltered midwestern Christians....and a few others in the article. Not sure why the presence of porn is of any value though.
But I don't think the documentary is necessarily about whether or not Avery or Dassey is guilty of the crimes they've been charged with. I think the point of the ten year exercise is to demonstrate that the local government is crooked as hell, comfortable with abusing their power, and when they think someone in their town needs to disappear, they'll craft a narrative that makes that happen, rather than seek justice.
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Season 2 should follow the prosecution
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Avery had a cut on his finger when he was arrested, it's in the show. But it's a real small cut, I can't really see those blood marks coming from that cut.
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I was amazed that the car was actually just sitting near the closest bushes and not buried in the middle or the back-end of the field.
It took them what, 15 minutes to find the car?
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Or crushed in the car crusher that Avery knew how to use
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That freaked me out! Being an artsy/goth-y kid in high school made me feel for those kids, and I agree, it's a very similar case. Small town cops "find" the murderers and reverse engineer the investigation. I seriously have a fear of small, redneck communities (and I live in north/central Florida, so trust me I know rednecks) and cases like these make me even more suspicious...
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