I'm not even a fan of TOS, but loved the first 6 movies (ok at least 2, 3 and 4) and loved TNG and parts of DSN and Voyager. I know the producers have to get butts in seats and that's what matters first. But that feeling at the center of Star Trek which made me love it in the first place is gone from these newer movies. Strip away the Star Trek theme and you are left with what could be any other high budget action movie. I'm sure I'm having a "get off my lawn" moment. I did come into these movies with an open mind, but at the end of the day they just weren't very good.