Controversial Nine Inch Nails opinions

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Scarlet is absolutely right. Only a bigot ever needs to defend him or herself by saying, "But I have so many _______ friends..." because non-bigoted people prove it by just not saying bigoted things. Why is the Paula Deen comparison off base? She said some stupid bullshit and tried to justify it just as ridiculously as this @Transfixed clown. I'm surprised at how many people are leaping to his defense. NIN fans are a lot of things (obsessive, overeager, occasionally creepy) but one thing I'm proud of is that we're a pretty welcoming lot. I go to a concert and I feel like I see all types. Maybe primarily a little on the pale side, but still, all types. We don't need high school bully bullshit about "fruity beats" and "playing tambourine the gay way" being spouted off here. Don't brush it off or try and change the subject. Shut him the fuck down.

You know what? I don't care what the consequences are, I don't care if I'm banned and never come back - you're a fucking asshole who, among several others here - has jumped massively to conclusions which are flat out wrong. I am in no way whatsoever "bigoted", and just because I mention that I have several gay friends, even THAT gets turned around on me, and used as more of your pathetic ammo to "shut me the fuck down"? It has become clear that what you guys have a problem with isn't ME, it's the insinuation that Trent might be a little gay. You just cannot stand it, so you build this huge wall of wrath, camouflage it in "DEFENDING THE GAYS" bravado, and try with all your might to burn me down. Fuck you. I am a HUGE NIN fan, and have been since the early 90's, I own every record, many t-shirts, posters, imports etc... so I have every right in the world to bring up - in a thread called 'Controversial NIN opinions' no less - the question of whether or not he might be a little gay. The tambourine thing was ONE example, it wasn't a great one, but it wasn't the crux of my statement - yet you guys run and ruuuuuuuuun with it to try to point out how fucking stupid I am instead of, I dunno, discussing the actual subject. But it's so much more fun to act like using the word 'fruity' is bigoted somehow, when....wait for it....ACTUAL GAY PEOPLE use the term themselves! Whooooaaaaa..... I didn't realize that suggesting there's a drop of gay in Trent would bring the self-righteous dickheads out of the woodwork like moths to the flame. And yet, there you are.
And seriously...Paula Deen? Just wow.

[allegro]

(Um, actually, the "Trent is secretly gay" or --more often -- "Trent is bi" rumor has been circulating for DECADES. For lots and lots of reasons [gay porn snippets in videos and songs, making out with Rich Patrick on stage, rumors from NOLA that Trent had both a gf and a bf, etc etc.] There have been at least 3 entire threads dedicated to this topic on ETS. So, for us seasoned NIN fans, this isn't controversy at all. Most of us admitted at least the possibility of bi, went "meh, whatever" and moved on.)

[thefragile_jake]

I prefer Aaron to Robin. He seems more reckless and less deconstructive on the live versions. He jumped around too, randomly, from out of frame, just 'weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee it's Aaron! *guitar solo*. Just miss it. ;-(

I thought Aaron was fun live but I HATED his solo during Wish. He made it sound way too bluesy for me.

[dominik]

(Um, actually, the "Trent is secretly gay" or --more often -- "Trent is bi" rumor has been circulating for DECADES. For lots and lots of reasons [gay porn snippets in videos and songs, making out with Rich Patrick on stage, rumors from NOLA that Trent had both a gf and a bf, etc etc.] There have been at least 3 entire threads dedicated to this topic on ETS. So, for us seasoned NIN fans, this isn't controversy at all. Most of us admitted at least the possibility of bi, went "meh, whatever" and moved on.)

Yeah I mean, in the 90s he talked about wanting to suck dick so that rumor is not exactly coming from nowhere.

@howdidislipinto: I have no clue why you facepalmed that DFA remix post, but let me tell you this: James Murphy himself said (jokingly) that they were going for the gayest sound possible, so maybe you should not take everything so seriously.

[The Reason Being]

If that DFA remix is gay then I need to tell my girlfriend because COUNT ME IN

[ambergris]

Well, I have a couple of gay friends, but, seriously, they're a bunch of homos.

[allegro]

Most of us can proudly embrace our gay side. The thing I don't get is the "electronics music is gay" thing. I always heard it was: "Broadway show tunes are totally gay."

[thefragile_jake]

If that DFA remix is gay then I need to tell my girlfriend because COUNT ME IN

Here here!

Actually that DFA remix is one of my top five favorite NIN remixes of all time. I love the way that track sounds.

[orestes]

What is this fuckery?

[allegro]

^ Oh, crap, sorry, accidental facepalm.

[Transfixed]

How does one even facepalm? Is there secret voodoo involved? I don't see the option...

[brokenfragility]

How does one even facepalm? Is there secret voodoo involved? I don't see the option...

You have to have donated money to get the facepalm button I believe.

[sheepdean]

How does one even facepalm? Is there secret voodoo involved? I don't see the option...

Donate money, also lets you have custom avatar and custom user title. And the respect and love of thousands

[BenAkenobi]

You have to have donated money to get the facepalm button I believe.

also you have to be just a bit gay

[marodi]

also you have to be just a bit gay

And own a tambourine.

Controversial: the album version of Closer is far superior to any live performances.

[nineismine]

Sometimes I think that nine inch nails fans go out of their way to try to hate some of the songs on each album so they can maintain they edginess....

[Butterscotch]

Sometimes I think that nine inch nails fans go out of their way to try to hate some of the songs on each album so they can maintain they edginess....

I'm going to start hating Hurt right now, so I'll be one of the cool kids...

I can't do this.

[paul_guyet]

Not sure how controversial this is but I would be okay never hearing The Hand That Feeds, Head Like A Hole, Wish or Terrible Lie live ever again. I could be okay with Terrible Lie, but I'm done with those others...barring some radical Sanctified-esque recreation.

Also: I really like 'Everything'.

[fillow]

Things Falling Apart is the best NIN remix album and all three Starfuckers remixes are fucking awesome.

Pretty much every edit of LITS gift footage sucks. AVOTT isn't that good too due to godawful color correction.

Alessandro Cortini is overrated. Not his HTDA/NIN live appearance, but all his remixes and Sonoio music.

[hani]

I prefer Aaron to Robin. He seems more reckless and less deconstructive on the live versions. He jumped around too, randomly, from out of frame, just 'weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee it's Aaron! *guitar solo*. Just miss it. ;-(

I was watching Live: Beside You In Time yesterday and I was thinking the exact same thing. that line-up was pure gold, I think North/White/Cortini/Freese is my fav NIN line-up. 2nd place: Finck/JMJ/Cortini/Freese.

Alessandro Cortini is overrated. Not his HTDA/NIN live appearance, but all his remixes and Sonoio music.

you take that back

[orestes]

Things Falling Apart is the best NIN remix album and all three Starfuckers remixes are fucking awesome.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

[Transfixed]

Things Falling Apart is truly a masterpiece of a remix album. Can't say I dig all 3 SF remixes though...
Also, 'Still' doesn't get nearly enough love. I played that bad boy endlessly.

[Joshua Lami]

Controversial NIN opinions? Ok... here goes.

-Pretty Hate Machine is an okay record. A good jumping off point, and groundbreaking for it's time. It's not that great of a record through and through.
-The Only Tme is the best song on PHM.
-Gave Up is my least favorite song on Broken.
-Closer is an incredible song. The last half of it is one of my favorite instrumentals on a NIN record.
-I Do Not Want This might be one of my least favorite songs... not just from TDS... but from the entire NIN catalogue.
-I hate the song Please. But, to be fair, it's literally the only song on The Fragile I dislike.
-I hate the redone live version intro to Somewhat Damaged. I think it ruins the buildup of the song.
-I think With Teeth is an amazing album, and I like damn near every track on it.
-I like RWIB better than Hurt.
-The breakdown at the end of The Great Destroyer is my favorite moment on Year Zero.
-I have never listened to Ghosts past the first 4-5 tracks.
-I only played The Slip 3-4 times the first week it came out, and wasn't particularly impressed, but am considering giving it a re-listen soon.
-I like Everything
-I love hip hop music.

[SM Rollinger]

I could do without ever hearing live versions MOTP, HLAH, Hurt, Gave Up, Wish, Piggy, Closer (with the TOT breakdown), and Terrible Lie, in their current forms, ever again. I think their tired souding and could do some serious reworking.

Dont get me wrong, their all great, classic songs. Just in need of a little love, like Sanctified '13, the version of Hurt that was played on Dissonance, and the Ghosts Piggy. How about for March, an extended intro ala the "All the Pigs, all lined up" mix? Get the crowd worked up into a frenzy.

(im trying for constructive criticisim here guys. this is tough, there isnt much i dont like about NIN. well, except for maybe Lights In The Sky. I mean, seriously? Come on Trent, this sounds like a b-side from The Fragile, or something that dint make the cut for Still.)

[tw3rbz]

Closer (with the TOT breakdown)

That shit is SO fucking sick.

[SM Rollinger]

That shit is SO fucking sick.

WAS sick, i agree. But after hearing it time and time again, i long for either the original arrangement or something new entirely.

edit: I haven't added it up or anything, but im almost certain at this point, the version with the TOT breakdown has been played more than the original arrangement.

[tw3rbz]

WAS sick, i agree. But after hearing it time and time again, i long for either the original arrangement or something new entirely.

edit: I haven't added it up or anything, but im almost certain at this point, the version with the TOT breakdown has been played more than the original arrangement.

I love it, and there is NO way it's been played more than the original, I always expect it now, but it's fucking awesome in my opinion. fav part of the show usually.

edit: actually, I might be wrong. If I'm not mistaken he started doing that in 2005ish, time just got away from me. But still, I think it's amazing live, cause, ya know, this song is about fucking.

[GentlemanLoser]

Things Falling Apart is the best NIN remix album and all three Starfuckers remixes are fucking awesome.

Pretty much every edit of LITS gift footage sucks. AVOTT isn't that good too due to godawful color correction.

Alessandro Cortini is overrated. Not his HTDA/NIN live appearance, but all his remixes and Sonoio music.

I will give you the one Starfuckers remix that sounds a little like the Gremlins title music. Actually, this album has some really good remixes on it, but it gets pulled down by some of the bad remixes, and lack of cohesion. I kinda wish there was a NIN remix albums thread that was active now. I want a reason to revisit.

The LITS footage, well I wouldn't say it sucks, but there was only so far you could go with the footage. (Probably why it was given away/Still like my Blu-ray).

You can say what you like about Sonoio, you can say what you will about his HTDA remix, but his remix of The Great Destroyer is bad-to-the-fucking-ass! Also, modwheelmood.

[piggy]

I love it, and there is NO way it's been played more than the original, I always expect it now, but it's fucking awesome in my opinion. fav part of the show usually.

edit: actually, I might be wrong. If I'm not mistaken he started doing that in 2005ish, time just got away from me. But still, I think it's amazing live, cause, ya know, this song is about fucking.

I just did some rough figures since I didn't have anything better to do at the moment. From 1994-2000, it was played about 200 times and from 2005 to the present, it has been played over 300 times. AFAIK, there were not very many times during those years that it didn't have the TOT breakdown.

[Sutekh]

You know what? I don't care what the consequences are, I don't care if I'm banned and never come back - you're a fucking asshole who, among several others here - has jumped massively to conclusions which are flat out wrong. I am in no way whatsoever "bigoted", and just because I mention that I have several gay friends, even THAT gets turned around on me, and used as more of your pathetic ammo to "shut me the fuck down"? It has become clear that what you guys have a problem with isn't ME, it's the insinuation that Trent might be a little gay. You just cannot stand it, so you build this huge wall of wrath, camouflage it in "DEFENDING THE GAYS" bravado, and try with all your might to burn me down. Fuck you. I am a HUGE NIN fan, and have been since the early 90's, I own every record, many t-shirts, posters, imports etc... so I have every right in the world to bring up - in a thread called 'Controversial NIN opinions' no less - the question of whether or not he might be a little gay. The tambourine thing was ONE example, it wasn't a great one, but it wasn't the crux of my statement - yet you guys run and ruuuuuuuuun with it to try to point out how fucking stupid I am instead of, I dunno, discussing the actual subject. But it's so much more fun to act like using the word 'fruity' is bigoted somehow, when....wait for it....ACTUAL GAY PEOPLE use the term themselves! Whooooaaaaa..... I didn't realize that suggesting there's a drop of gay in Trent would bring the self-righteous dickheads out of the woodwork like moths to the flame. And yet, there you are.
And seriously...Paula Deen? Just wow.

Ah so because some gay people use the term "fruity" in a non offensive way, this means it can never be crass or offensive when anyone else uses it. Ever.

you thick fucking twat... Look at the size of that essay you've posted. That's why you're still a twat - instead of considering if you might be wrong you just block out the criticisms with BLAH BLAH BLAH

it's not about being a white knight for the gays, it's about slagging off your backward remarks. Fruity this and gay tambourines... It's not even the suggestion of homophobia, it's just the tackiness and immature nature of the remark. But being a tasteless wanker you don't pick up on that and instead start whining about the excesses of the politically correct. You assume there's such truth in what you're saying that we're only disagreeing to show how right on we are. Incorrect, the bad reaction is because you are embarassing yourself with juvenile observations


ON TOPIC! - NIN are a better live act since TR sobered up (gasp). Some people cling to romantic notions of the 90s and drug fuelled chaos (which usually I'm fully signed up for), but really I think they are better these days, tons more energy