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Faceplams: Good. I'm officially burned out, and really have no desire to watch anything that has been shat out, this past year.Originally Posted by allegate
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Good. I'm officially burned out, and really have no desire to watch anything that has been shat out, this past year.
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So does "reducing spending" actually translates to less new content rather than same amount but cheaper? I'm not sure this particular statement will mean much in the long run anyway.
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yeah it's a fine line with the effects work between "we cheaped out" and "we changed our minds 15 times so it looks like ass and cost too much".
maybe it's a blessing in disguise in that they can't change things so they have to pre-vis? wow what a concept.
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https://twitter.com/DeadpoolUpdate/s...57606359490562
in-lineing this tweet in case you don't want to see any pictures of the set of Deadpool 3.
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that remix is pretty dope
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Caught up on Secret Invasion (did a double-shot today). Still liking it, looking forward to the last episode next week to see how it all resolves.
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My thoughts on Secret Invasion:
- I wonder how much Secret Invasion got chopped up and remixed due to covid and reshoots. Gravik feels like two characters folded into one, while G'iah is barely a character. As if they had originally been intended to start off as outright close accomplices. But then again, making audiences sympathize with characters that were actively working towards genocide is difficult Spoiler: (looking at you, G'iah and Priscilla);
- Nothing shows respect quite as much as consistently mispronouncing everybody's names, Fury;
- So spread across the globe are mausoleums where Fury has stashed a leather trenchcoat, an eyepatch and a gun?;
- In a world where people are unphased by the existence of superpowered people and malevolent extraterrestrials,Spoiler: the potus' security is laughably lackluster;
- Ironic that Gravik and Fury agree that mankind is not tolerant enough to accept Skrulls.
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I'm really liking Secret Invasion, but yes the SS detail on the prez over the last two episodes was a joke and completely took me out of the show. When these type of things happen in shows or movies, I myself am always able to come up with scenarios that accomplish the same goals that the writers have for these scenes, yet are infinitely more believable. Maddening.
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You mean Fury wheeling the president into a hospital with like three staff there wasn't believable?
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There is so much thematic overlap between Falcon & Winter Soldier, Secret Invasion and Hawkeye, that it would've been best to have tweaked them into a single 18-episode series.
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Ke Huy Quan! woo
and was that Pillboi? ha, it was!
edit: I watched The Good Place after Loki so didn't realize that he was also in the first season until I just checked. boy, what a dunce. lol
Last edited by allegate; 07-31-2023 at 03:59 PM.
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Finally finished off Secret Invasion.
You know, I'm good with it. I'm guessing the event mentioned at the end is how we tie into The Marvels movie.
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this could be huge. Proud of these brave souls...solidarity!
https://www.vulture.com/2023/08/vfx-...irst-time.html
Call it the Hollywood-labor-organizing version of Avengers Assemble! On the heels of more than a year’s worth of damningdisclosures around Marvel Studios’ systematic overworking and underpayment of visual-effects workers on its blockbuster movies and streaming series, VFX crews at Marvel have finally petitioned to demand union recognition from the studio. On Monday, a group of more than 50 on-set employees filed a petition for an election to be represented by the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE) with the National Labor Relations Board. The workers are asking for the election to be held as early as August 21.This marks the first time visual-effects professionals have banded together to demand the same rights, wage protections, and professional watchdog oversight enjoyed by workers in almost every other segment of the entertainment industry. The supermajority of Marvel’s 52-member on-set production crew signed authorization cards to indicate they wish to be represented by the powerful labor union representing some 170,000 artisans, technicians, stagehands, and craftspeople across TV, film, and live theater in the United States and Canada.
“For almost half a century, workers in the visual-effects industry have been denied the same protections and benefits their coworkers and crewmates have relied upon since the beginning of the Hollywood film industry,” VFX organizer for IATSE Mark Patch said in a statement. “This is a historic first step for VFX workers coming together with a collective voice demanding respect for what we do.”
In an era when around 90 percent of all films in release feature varying degrees of VFX fine-tuning (and it’s not uncommon for a show like Stranger Things to showcase up to 4,400 visual-effects shots across a single season), workers within the field have remained stubbornly, confoundingly unrepresented by any professional union or guild. While fellow below-the-line workers in such divisions as costumes and wardrobe; hair and makeup; lighting, props and paint; and script supervision have been historically championed by IATSE, underappreciated VFX professionals have been unable to claim benefits such as paid overtime and health care, and have been at the mercy of pronounced labor shortages and managers’ unrealistic deadlines — despite the workers’ increasing indispensability within popular culture.
“Turnaround times don’t apply to us, protected hours don’t apply to us, and pay equity doesn’t apply to us,” said VFX coordinator Bella Huffman. “Visual effects must become a sustainable and safe department for everyone who’s suffered far too long and for all newcomers who need to know they won’t be exploited.”
The petition for voluntary union recognition from Marvel and its parent company, Disney, arrives amid what the Los Angeles Times has taken to calling the “hot labor summer”: a cultural inflection point when both the Writers Guild and Screen Actors Guild are on strike against the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, halting productions across Hollywood and throwing the upcoming movie-release corridor into chaos. Just as crucially, however, VFX’s newly strident demands for a seat at the collective-bargaining table also play out against a backdrop of increasing fan displeasure with (and critical opprobrium toward) the quality of computer-generated imagery in Marvel Studios movies and series, coming perhaps not coincidentally just months after the firing of Marvel’s president of postproduction and VFX, Victoria Alonso.
Even with the group’s NLRB petition, a VFX workers strike is not out of the question; it is perhaps the most battle-tested and surefire route to union recognition. (Representatives at Disney and Marvel did not respond to requests for comment from Vulture.)
Leading off the collective-bargaining push with Marvel’s on-set VFX specialists — data wranglers, production managers, witness camera operators, and assistants employed on such MCU series as Loki and Daredevil: Born Again, as opposed to the people supplying visual effects in postproduction — arrives as no accident. Thanks to the studio’s fire hose of movie and TV series output (it will oversee the release of five movies and four shows in 2023 alone), Marvel is regarded in VFX circles as the industry’s biggest “bully,” with the capacity to flood effects houses with more work than they know what to do with or ruin careers and standings of those who do not live up to Marvel’s sky-high expectations.
Hence, as the thinking goes, securing union recognition for a relatively small yet high-profile group of Marvel’s so-called “production-side” professionals would stand as proof of concept for the overall viability of an industry-wide unionization push. Production-side unity would lead to solidarity at postproduction houses, which would then, in turn, unionize one by one, leading to an inevitable tipping point. The template for this sort of thing was set in the animation world last February when production workers for Adult Swim’s Rick & Morty and Hulu’s Solar Opposites filed a petition with the NLRB for a union election, sparking a new wave of unionization for workers throughout the animation industry by becoming the first to be represented by the IATSE-affiliated Animation Guild. Soon after, workers at the Los Angeles branch of the award-winning production house Titmouse joined the guild to begin collective bargaining for their first union contract. And those efforts ultimately compelled a coalition of production workers on the shows American Dad, Family Guy, and The Simpsons to also unionize under the Animation Guild, teeing up new collective-bargaining negotiations for increased benefits with 20th Television Animation last summer.
“We are witnessing an unprecedented wave of solidarity that’s breaking down old barriers in the industry and proving we’re all in this fight together,” said IATSE International president Matthew D. Loeb. “That doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Entertainment workers everywhere are sticking up for each other’s rights; that’s what our movement is all about. I congratulate these workers on taking this important step and using their collective voice. I urge Marvel Studios to voluntarily recognize their union immediately.”
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that was remarkably fast, can’t be good
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The Mandalorian, Loki, and WandaVision are headed to Blu-ray
Wow, after they said this would never happen. I will probably get the WandaVision and Loki ones, the rest I'm content to leave at streaming quality.
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fluff and a primer/reminder, but man the CG Kamala jumping there at the end. I feel for the effects teams.
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Finally watched "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3" ... I think the strongest of the GotG movies but also maybe the weakest soundtrack. And there are other issues as well... but... yeah, the strongest of the GotG movies.
Wanted to watch it before getting into Loki S2... and we'll be doing E1 tonight.
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Yup, S2E1 was worth it.
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New Loki so, so good. Way to come back with a bang, the cinematography and vibe so rich and well done.
Can't wait to see what this season has in store.
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Yikes. Daredevil: Reborn had just under half of the 18 episode (2 season) series fully shot, then Feige decided it "wasn't working". Too much of a courtroom procedural; Daredevil didn't appear in suit until episode four, etc.
So they fired the writers and are starting over.
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Firing Kyle Bradstreet was a huge mistake, for his vision of Secret Invasion. When he has credits for writing, and executive producing Mr. Robot episodes, I really wonder what that show could have been, than what we got. Moon Knights creator left...
I haven't seen Daredevil in years, but weren't Matt and Foggy on the verge of opening their own firm? Why did Reborn axe that out?
In my opinion, Marvel got too cute with pumping out show, after show, along with the news of exhaustion for the crews working on their respective series and films. While I do love that smaller heroes and villains get their time to shine, I feel they should have slowly introduced these characters, instead of hanfisting them down fans throats.
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S2E3 of Loki was a goooooood episode.
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Halloween time just zaps all my non-spooky entertainment viewing. I gotta start Loki soon and catch up on Gen V. Atom Eve special too! Excited for The Marvels. Doesn't seem many others are, but whatever.
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I'm looking forward to the movie, if only because it looks like it's actually fun from the trailers. The 'Bollywood' wedding? heck yeah.
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The new season has been even more solid than I'd hoped so far. I come home from work each Friday and watch an episode of Loki followed by new Gen V, both shows knocking it out of the park.
Now we're half way through Loki, it will be very interesting to see where things go in the next 3 episodes.
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Big ooof.
Crisis at Marvel.
Bring back the OG Avengers? They're desperate...
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I don't understand the concern over potentially not being able to use Jonathan Majors anymore. I thought the whole point of the Loki season 1 finale was that anyone could be a Kang variant. In the same way Loki has variants played by different actors, why can't Kang? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like this would be one of the easiest re-castings of all time from a narrative perspective.
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Very interesting article which sheds a lot of light on things.
Spoiler: If they're doing Secret Wars it's pretty much going to involve Cap & Iron Man returning at least, guessing Natasha too. Pretty much expecting RDJ, Tobey Maguire & Hugh Jackman fighting together.
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There is a lot of context in that article that has already been touched upon, months ago, with some new info that solidifies the info fans have been speculating.
Marvel fatigue has already set in for me, with Ant-Man being the last project I wasted my time on; what a turd. Unfortunately, I really don't care what is happening in the MCU anymore. I'll probably catch Loki at some point, and The Marvel's since it does look fun, but I think a lot of the fun in that movie, will be "Been there, done that" energy.
Biggest problem for me, personally, is I am not connected to the characters, like I was in the precious phases.
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