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Faceplams: That's like asking "aren't all Jews liberal?" But my Jewish boss is a conservative Republican racistOriginally Posted by Dra508
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That's like asking "aren't all Jews liberal?" But my Jewish boss is a conservative Republican racist
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qotd......
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Here's a refreshing lack of bodies for me to "exploit" for my "political" ends. What else was missing from this scenario?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/17...lotting-mass/#Illinois Army vet, 75, saves 16 kids from knife-wielding teen reportedly plotting mass murder
A former Army vet is recovering from stab wounds after putting himself between 16 terrified children and a knife-wielding teen determined to kill at an Illinois public library this week.
“He actually ran into the room yelling, ‘I’m going to kill some people!’” James Vernon told the Pekin Daily Times Thursday.
Vernon, 75-- a retired Caterpillar technology worker and Army vet—is recovering from surgery at his home in Morton, Illinois. He was leading a chess club meeting with local kids at the Morton library Tuesday afternoon when Dustin Brown, 19, burst into the room holding a knife in each hand and threatening the children.
“I failed my mission to kill everyone,” Brown told police Thursday, according to a prosecutor’s court affidavit that accompanied formal charges, including attempted murder.
Vernon described the two knives as “hunting types” with “fixed blades about 5 inches” long.
The 16 frightened children – ranging in age from 7 to 13-- scurried under tables in the library’s conference room as Vernon stood in front of Brown.
Brown appeared angry as he focused his attention on the children. Vernon kept his cool and distracted Brown to give the kids a chance to escape.
“I tried to talk to him. I tried to settle him down,” Vernon told the Pekin Daily Times. “I didn’t, but I did deflect his attention” from the kids “and calmed him a bit. I asked him if he was from Morton, did he go to high school. I asked what his problem was. He said his life sucks. That’s a quote.”
As Vernon spoke, he inched closer to Brown. “He backed away when I’d get closer.” With a few steps, Vernon put himself between Brown and the conference room door.
“I gave them the cue to get the heck out of there, and, boy, they did that! Quick, like rabbits,” Vernon said.
After all the children fled, the knife-fight training Vernon learned in the Army five decades ago kicked in. Brown slashed from the right towards Vernon, who blocked the blade with his left hand.
“I should have hit his wrist. That’s how you’re trained, but it’s been half a century,” Vernon recalled. “First rule of combat: Be fast and vigorous,” said Vernon, who never served in combat.
The veteran’s medium build was enough to overcome Brown. “I grabbed him and threw... Somehow he wound up on a table” with the knife in his left hand pinned under his body, Vernon said. “I hit him on the (right) collarbone with my closed hand” until Brown dropped that knife.
Vernon said he was “bleeding pretty good,” but managed to hold Brown until a library employee removed the knives and helped to keep Brown pinned until police and paramedics arrived.
At the time of the incident, Brown was free on bond while facing prosecution charges of possessing child pornography. He told police he’d been planning for two weeks to kill people and then himself, according to an affidavit.
Had he brought a gun instead, “It would’ve been a different story,” Vernon said.
Brown was ordered held on $800,000 bond pending a Nov. 5 court appearance. He’s charged with attempted murder, armed violence, aggravated battery to a person over age 60, and burglary for entering the library with intent to commit a crime.
Vernon won his “90 seconds of combat” with Brown, “but I felt like I lost the war,” he chuckled. His injuries include two cut arteries and a tendon on his left hand from blocking Brown’s knife swipe.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Like I was saying....
‘Ghost Gun’ Murders and Trafficking Cases Are a Law Enforcement Nightmare Come True
http://www.thetrace.org/2015/10/ghos...er-california/
"It is one of the biggest problems in Northern California for our office, if not the biggest problem,"
"The existence of individual ghost guns is usually completely unknown to law enforcement, unless one turns up at a crime scene."
"With a ghost gun, it’s just a piece of metal. There’s no way to track it back."
How long until we admit that no law is going to change the fact that some of the most popular guns today were invented over 100 years ago and there is nothing you can do to stop their uncontrolled production short of regulating access to raw metal? It's already trivial to create a modern gun in your garage. It's only going to get easier.
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Had a co-worker try to convince me that guns were tools "just like a hammer". Is there some website espousing this argument cause I felt like I was in ground hog day when I heard that.
It was an interesting conversation beyond that. He understood the difference in laws from Florida to New York. Another guy explained why he WOULDNT get a conceal carry license in his state, Texas. Wasn't worth it.
Tool, right.
Last edited by Dra508; 10-31-2015 at 09:55 AM.
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Yes, guns are tools "just like a hammer” in the same comparative way that missiles are tools just like a measuring tape. What’s wrong with people?
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uh, "weapon" is a subset of "tool" by most interpretations of the english language.
Definition of TOOL for kids: an instrument (as a saw, file, knife, or wrench) used or worked by hand or machine to perform a task
Synonym Discussion of TOOL
implement, tool, instrument, appliance, utensil mean a relatively simple device for performing work. implement may apply to anything necessary to perform a task <crude stone implements> <farm implements>. tool suggests an implement adapted to facilitate a definite kind or stage of work and suggests the need of skill more strongly than implement <a carpenter's tools>. instrument suggests a device capable of delicate or precise work <the dentist's instruments>. appliance refers to a tool or instrument utilizing a power source and suggests portability or temporary attachment <household appliances>. utensil applies to a device used in domestic work or some routine unskilled activity <kitchen utensils>.
Synonym Discussion of WEAPON
: something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you
: something (such as a skill, idea, or tool) that is used to win a contest or achieve something
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but I suppose my fishing pole is totally not a tool /s
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Oxford:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us...n_english/tool
Cabellas does not include the fishing rod as a tool:
http://www.cabelas.com/category/Fish.../104720580.uts
See also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_(tool)
Last edited by allegro; 11-01-2015 at 12:17 AM.
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Uh, did somebody say that a gun wasn’t a tool?
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A device or implement,[check]
especially one held in the hand, [check]
used to carry out a particular function. [check]
A tool will also become a weapon based on how it is used or how the owner is intending to use it. Much like a knife.
And yes, guns also have non-weapon uses. This further demonstrates the "it's a tool" concept to those who think a weapon isn't a subset of tools. Though, you don't need a firearm from that wiki page for it to be a tool. A "standard" firearm is a non-weapon tool in many situations: hunting, many farm situations, etc
The belief that a gun is not a tool is not an issue of semantics, but of mindset. The anti-gun rhetoric has a strong emotional reaction. It has influenced the comprehension of a device that is over 1000 years old. This simple device has is now fear-inducing, complicated, intimidating, and plain evil to the point that the basic comprehension of it has been altered... it now "couldn't possibly qualify as a tool, it has all these bad things"
Last edited by DigitalChaos; 11-01-2015 at 01:05 AM.
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The idea that guns are tools just like a hammer is bfs and misleading. Are both tools? In the analytical sense yes they are. Are they tools that are just like each other? No they are not. By design (and definition as kindly posted above) one is primarily a weapon a tool used for fighting…, and by design and definition the other is a hand tool consisting of a shaft with a metal head at right angles to it, used mainly for driving in nails and beating metal.
That is the difference. One is a tool that is by design a weapon, and it may have other uses. The other is a tool that is by design primarily used for building and crafting. Can someone misuse a hammer as a weapon to kill? Yes the hammer can be misused in such a way. Whereas if someone takes a gun and shoots and kills another person, the tool was not misused, it did what it was designed to do as a weapon.
If you are hunting, with a gun, how are you not using it as a weapon? Farming with a gun? What? How?
Old MacDonald had a farm, E-I-E-I-O
And on his farm he had a gun, E-I-E-I-O
With a BANG! BANG! here
And a BANG! BANG! there
Here a BANG!, there a BANG!
Everywhere a BANG! BANG!
Old MacDonald had a farm, E-I-E-I-O
But I’m not going to lie here. I live in a neighborhood that’s getting worse by the day, and I’ve considered getting a gun. Problem is I just don’t trust myself with one.
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Today I learned my penis is a tool.
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This is my rifle. This is my gun.
This is for fighting. This is for fun.
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This is a perfect example of the mindset vs semantics issue I am talking about. You have this idea that a tool only has allowable uses. Anything else is "misuse." That falls right next to the silly idea that you can control how something gets used.
You also have a pretty detached understanding of basics of living that support your own way of life. Go talk to a farmer and understand their way of life. Putting down animals, predator and pest control... Just some examples.
Why wouldn't you trust yourself? Just like any tool, it can be dangerous if you don't educate yourself on how to safely use it. I'm not going to be too afraid to go out and buy a skill-saw because I could hurt myself/someone with it. I'm going to learn about the safety requirements and general use before using it. I'm going to keep it away from my kid. Etc.
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preeeeeety sure you've failed to match the device requirement. But a dildo? ... sure, just like a gun
Same could be said that a power drill is a tool just like a hammer. The uses are completely different so it's not "just like" each other.
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Semantics? Engineers will admit a tool is most often best used for the thing it was designed to do.
Gun-designed to be a weapon.
Hammer-designed for building and crafting.
If one makes the choice to reappropriate the purpose of either tool, again, sure it can be done. But as for it not being a misuse of the tool, give Craftsman Tools a call and ask about using their hammer as a weapon. How fast do you think they, the manufacturer would identify that as a gross misuse of their product?
I think my real question was, if you’re hunting, or shooting animals, predators, and pests on the farm, how is any of that considered a non-weapon use of a gun as was stated? Not trying to demonize these uses, but they all still seem to be weapon uses for a gun.
The reasons are the difference. I’d be buying a saw or a gun for two very different reasons. The idea of using a saw to build a shed isn’t nearly as disturbing as the idea of pulling a gun and using deadly force, in my opinion.
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I'm afraid to post in here for fear that my opinion might anger some people but I can't just be a silent observer anymore.
I'd like to offer my perspective even though no one has asked for it and maybe share or impart some intellectual exchange.
http://usuncut.com/news/there-have-b...-days-in-2015/
I can't stand by seeing these statics and wonder, how in the hell can there be a solution to such a devastating epidemic?
I want something to be done about it. I know its not simple but there is such an obvious problem that still has not be dealt with.
Every possible new law or solution is blocked by the house of reps and senators or those that hold power in the government that is influenced by lobbyists.
Lobbyists such as NRA have influence that is so massive I honestly don't see any possible solutions in the near future.
I'd like to ask a simple question here to the people that post in this thread, of those that live in the states do any of you feel represented in the government?
I don't. If I was, then there would be a dialog going back and forth about how to curb this violence and how to take preventative measures so mass shootings, suicide by a gun, homicides, etc. would be far less likely to occur.
I can't help but think; what if I or someone I care about is a victim at any one of these shootings, what about the friends and families of all the victims so far. When do they get justice?
Every time I see someone on a social network and/or on the news talk about gun control they are most likely to be shut down by people that are influenced and swayed by the rhetoric that instill fear. They fear that their government is going to take away their second amendment right. These chauvinistic people play right into these rhetoric and lies and in turn reiterate and pass on what they are told. Dangerous ideals and hatred are spewed right out of their mouths when they speak against any form of gun control. No rational chatter between those that are for and those that are against is ever seen. It is subverted and ignored. Those that try to talk about it are seen as an enemy and are branded as unamerican.
It's appalling and depressing.
Every time I see another shooting I keep thinking to myself that the American forefathers feared mob rule. And for a good reason they feared it and now what is happening can be seen as an example of mob rule. or at lest I see as an example. I believe that mob rule is plays a major role in facilitating these tragedies to occur.
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WTF. Is that written so people will think they sped read and missed the fact that no guns were involved?
Sheriff for the county my brother lives in makes a call to arms on The Facebook:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b072e9d1c57545
Interesting place in that so many city dwellers live up there now or just on weekends and do not share his views.
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The line in it that makes me laugh every time:
, I saw him standing in front of a religious studies class yelling, ‘I demand evidence and peer-reviewed sources’, it was so unnerving. I just had to get out of there
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I was nobody. Nothing.
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/_log/...uns/vp-BBo6QF2
Texas now allows handguns to be carried openly.
This terrifies me.
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because it makes you feel better if you can't see the gun when it's carried....
I was nobody. Nothing.
Honestly, yes!because it makes you feel better if you can't see the gun when it's carried....
and by the way, i have EXTREMELY mixed feelings about the gun issue in general.
i'm a rare hybrid: part socialist, part libertarian.
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Neither socialism nor libertarianism promotes restricting the possessions of someone or what they wear because of an illogical fear created in someone else.Honestly, yes!
and by the way, i have EXTREMELY mixed feelings about the gun issue in general.
i'm a rare hybrid: part socialist, part libertarian.
PS - libertarian socialism is a thing. There are quite a few notable people who are in that category. Noam Chomsky is one. I follow some aspects, but I'm also partial to some of the post-left views. My views are too situational to dump into a single ideology though. It's more applicable that way. Sticking to an absolute ideology keeps you locked in philosophical arguments.
As for guns... Freedom is dangerous. I like freedom.
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Well that's fucking awesome! Thanks.
As for the open carry thing, dude, i do not look forward to regularly being in the presence of a bunch of possibly drunk rednecks with pistols on their hips whenever i go out in public around here.
And mark my words, people are going to die over it. It makes it all to easy to grab your gun and shoot someone during an argument.
I don't think that my fear is irrational.
Where i live, "cowboy" is still a common occupation. And trust me, some of these people don't need fucking guns on their hips.
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