Star Wars Episode VII

[neorev]

I know I'm gonna get shit for this... but The Force Awakens has become my favorite Star Wars film. Yeah, I said it. I turn 33 in January and have been watching the original Star Wars since I was a kid. Saw all of the special editions when they came out along with the prequels in theaters. I find myself watching Force Awakens much more than any of the originals. Hate me, I don't care. I enjoy the movie. It's fun and full of action and great special effects. It craps all over the prequels. I try to pretend they don't exist. Revenge Of The Sith was the better of the 3, but still. Force Awakens feels like a Star Wars movie and don't give me none of that copying A New Hope crap. I heard it all before. But I quite like all of the characters in this movie. Some of the original Star Wars, especially A New Hope, had some pretty bad acting and dialogue... hell, even the prequels. So that's a much needed improvement. I find myself much more invested in these characters now. So there, I said it. I'm about to sit and watch Force Awakens for the dozenth time. I can't wait to see how this story expands and unfurls as it goes along with Episodes 8 and 9.

[Dr Channard]

Even for those who view TFA as a soft reboot that liberally follows in the strides of ANH, it’s doubtful that many would deny that compared to the prequels TFA was definitely the beneficiary of a vastly superior production. And that is a shame, because at the core the prequels had great material to explore in characters, themes, and story. Unfortunately much of those elements got smothered under some awful production.

[GulDukat]

Even for those who view TFA as a soft reboot that liberally follows in the strides of ANH, it’s doubtful that many would deny that compared to the prequels TFA was definitely the beneficiary of a vastly superior production. And that is a shame, because at the core the prequels had great material to explore in characters, themes, and story. Unfortunately much of those elements got smothered under some awful production.

Awful production, scripts and directing. Although I did like ROTS, a little more than TFA, which was a solid movie, imho.

[Mantra]

I think it would be funny if someday someone decided to re-do the prequel trilogy. "Sorry George, those movies sucked ass, so we've got someone who's gonna come in and do them the way they should have been done, and from here on out those are gonna be considered the canonical versions."

[neorev]

@Mantra
I would be completely fine with that. The overall story deserves better than what was delivered with the prequels.

[buckaroo]

@Mantra
I would be completely fine with that. The overall story deserves better than what was delivered with the prequels.

I wonder if it would actually require a new film or they could just rework what they have with some better editing, fixed fx, deleted scenes, etc. There are parts of the prequels that I really do enjoy a lot, but in general, yeah they are not the best.

[imail724]

I wonder if it would actually require a new film or they could just rework what they have with some better editing, fixed fx, deleted scenes, etc. There are parts of the prequels that I really do enjoy a lot, but in general, yeah they are not the best.

No amount of editing and effects could fix that writing.

[Mantra]

I wonder if it would actually require a new film or they could just rework what they have with some better editing, fixed fx, deleted scenes, etc. There are parts of the prequels that I really do enjoy a lot, but in general, yeah they are not the best.

nah, they really would have to rebuild it all from the ground up.

Attack of the Clones is totally and completely unsalvageable.

[GulDukat]

nah, they really would have to rebuild it all from the ground up.

Attack of the Clones is totally and completely unsalvageable.

Agreed. I watched TPM for the first time in 15 years and it was better than I remember. ROTS was a good film, but AOTC is just a mess on every level. It should be shown to film students on how NOT to make a movie.

[GulDukat]

Not sure where to discuss this. Man, Lucas is such a tool.

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/...sed-again.html

[GibbonBlack]

I remember reading a while ago that Fox still owns the distribution rights to the original trilogy so it's not really Disney's call. Also, whilst they're not perfect, Harmy's versions that are mentioned in that article are pretty good.

[GulDukat]

I really hate how Lucas states that the original movies "no longer exist" and were "half finished" when they were originally released and that the new special editions are the "definitive" editions. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooo!

The new music and dance sequence in Jabba's palace is the worst. I can't even enjoy ROTJ now. It's awful.

And kids now will never know the magic of the the "Jub Jub" song.

[WorzelG]

And kids now will never know the magic of the the "Jub Jub" song.

This x 1000000. The new age crap music they put in its place is bloody awful

[eversonpoe]

This x 1000000. The new age crap music they put in its place is bloody awful

it's not awful (i actually love music like that), it just doesn't make sense in the context.

[thevoid99]

The added stuff from those Special Editions are just horrendous as it makes the film feel very dated in the visual effects. Plus, I'm still pissed off at the end of ROTJ where they put Hayden Christensen over Sebastian Shaw which is just fucking blasphemous and an insult towards Shaw. I feel sorry for all of those people who were involved w/ the original visual effects in the original trilogy where the work they put in for those films is then polished and removed in favor of what Lucas wants in his idea that the film is better. Fuck Lucas.

[ziltoid]

Not sure where to discuss this. Man, Lucas is such a tool.

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/...sed-again.html

He did the same to THX-1138, which completely broke the immersion of the film and is shit to the original theatrical cut.
It's a shame that there is no possible way to see the original, in an unedited and remastered version.
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=541751

[Frozen Beach]

He did the same to THX-1138, which completely broke the immersion of the film and is shit to the original theatrical cut.
It's a shame that there is no possible way to see the original, in an unedited and remastered

The 77 cut exists on Laserdisc (though I've never seen it or the original cut, I've read the only difference is the 77 cut has scenes that Warner removed from the original cut edited back in). I'm sure there's probably a rip of that somewhere online

also I'm sure there are some Star Wars fans out there that are probably working on preserving it.

[pigpen]

This all confuses me very much..

I have on DVD the original theatrical releases...all three of them. They came on bonus discs with the remastered trilogy boxset released in 2008..
What are you guys talking about, specifically?

[GibbonBlack]

This all confuses me very much..

I have on DVD the original theatrical releases...all three of them. They came on bonus discs with the remastered trilogy boxset released in 2008..
What are you guys talking about, specifically?

I don't have that myself but I'm pretty sure that that's in 4:3 and a pretty bad transfer from the laserdisc. There's a youtube video from Harmy that goes into detail about the problems with that transfer...I think. It's been ages since I've read up on the whole thing.

I guess the complaint from most fans should really be that there isn't a copy of the theatrical release of the movies that's watchable for most people.

[GulDukat]

Yes. Most fans would like a blu-ray of the original three movies, unaltered.

With Star Trek (TOS) blu-ray, they gave fans an option, watch an unaltered, original episode, or a remastered version with added CGI in place of models and some sets, and they did a much better job with giving the old episodes an update than Lucas did with his shitty hackwork.

[pigpen]

I don't have that myself but I'm pretty sure that that's in 4:3 and a pretty bad transfer from the laserdisc. There's a youtube video from Harmy that goes into detail about the problems with that transfer...I think. It's been ages since I've read up on the whole thing.

I guess the complaint from most fans should really be that there isn't a copy of the theatrical release of the movies that's watchable for most people.

I won't be watching that video outlining all of the shortcomings! hahaha, Ignorance is bliss in this particular scenario.
You know, now that i think about.. It DOES seem a little strange looking and I'm guessing it's because the aspect ratio?

[GibbonBlack]

.. It DOES seem a little strange looking and I'm guessing it's because the aspect ratio?

Yeah, I think it's just like The Abyss DVD where it's in 4:3 and presented in widescreen. So you end up with black bars on the side and on the top!

[imail724]

I remember reading a while ago that Fox still owns the distribution rights to the original trilogy so it's not really Disney's call. Also, whilst they're not perfect, Harmy's versions that are mentioned in that article are pretty good.

I think you're underplaying the Harmy versions a bit by calling them "pretty good". They have become the only versions of the films I will watch and I honestly doubt an official release of the UOT would look better, especially once he releases them in 1080p.

[GibbonBlack]

I think you're underplaying the Harmy versions a bit by calling them "pretty good". They have become the only versions of the films I will watch and I honestly doubt an official release of the UOT would look better, especially once he releases them in 1080p.

That's fair. They're the only versions I watch too. I don't even own the official releases because I want the original cuts. The sound on Harmy's versions deserves to be praised too. I'm not at home so can't check but I think A New Hope has around 20 different tracks, Including DTS. The guy's a star.

[GulDukat]

Just watched TFA this afternoon. It was my third time watching it, and I don't know why, but on my third viewing, it really clicked with me. I liked it before, but now I hold it in the same league as TOT and Rogue One. It was a great Star Wars film. It's a film you can watch repeatedly, and scene-by-scene, it's gorgeous, aesthetically, it's just wonderful.

When I have more time, I would to compare and contrast TFA with R1. Both are great films with their strengths and a few flaws.

[Shadaloo]

The new music and dance sequence in Jabba's palace is the worst. I can't even enjoy ROTJ now. It's awful.

You mean to say you don't appreciate the delicate subtleties in the giant singing testicle muppet's vocal breakdown?

[eversonpoe]

You mean to say you don't appreciate the delicate subtleties in the giant singing testicle muppet's vocal breakdown?

oh my god, when he gets right up in the camera and his spit is flying all over...who the fuck thought that would be something people want or need to see? and then you get the AMAZING practical effects with the rancor and you're like...why? why would they put this CG abomination in the same segment of the film with this fantastic monster???

[GulDukat]

oh my god, when he gets right up in the camera and his spit is flying all over...who the fuck thought that would be something people want or need to see? and then you get the AMAZING practical effects with the rancor and you're like...why? why would they put this CG abomination in the same segment of the film with this fantastic monster???

George Lucas. What have you done?

[Conan The Barbarian]

Even though I own the blu ray set, I will just mostly watch Harmy's when it comes to a new hope and ROTJ, but I wont hesitate to pop in the Empire blu ray as that seems to be the only good movie in the SE format. Disney owns the world, and should give the fans what they want, because they love money.

[Maximilian]

Even though I own the blu ray set, I will just mostly watch Harmy's when it comes to a new hope and ROTJ, but I wont hesitate to pop in the Empire blu ray as that seems to be the only good movie in the SE format. Disney owns the world, and should give the fans what they want, because they love money.

Ah, but they're just respecting the creator of it all. Believe me, when Lucas exits this mortal coil, the unaltered trilogy will be released with the quickness.