Trans Rights

[cdm]

Again the facts and reasons which explain what I said have been ignored, rather than discuss this I am once again told to fuck off with zero context.

The "facts" have been ignored because they're not facts, instead either disinformation, obfuscation, falsehoods, or feelings based on nothing relevant. And there's been plenty of context in this thread, including actual trans people telling you about their experiences. ** Three years and 15 appointments can quite literally be the difference between life and death **. Literally. Imagine telling a cancer patient they have to wait three years for treatment. "Are you sure you want rid of this tumor?"

** edit: I’d also mention the point of this isn’t to make sure anyone is certain they’re ready to transition. The point is to make them suffer for those three years and whatever happens happens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ “it’s a real shame [insert purposely misgendered pronoun here] died by suicide but we just wanted to make sure they were ready”

[BRoswell]

...and it's now clear that misinformation is a serious issue.

No shit. That's what nearly everyone is this thread has been saying to you.

[decadent]

No shit. That's what nearly everyone is this thread has been saying to you.

Yep, just because almost everyone in this thread says it, its true. lol How did I miss these universal truthtellers until now.

[Deacon Blackfire]

To the trans members of our community here, it's horrible enough that you have to deal with the antagonism and outright hostility and legal threats to your existence that the world is constantly throwing at you - I'm so sorry that you have to deal with such exhausting bullshit on this forum too.

[eversonpoe]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-anti-science/

The actual danger comes from denying trans people the medical care they need. A 2020 study in the journal Pediatrics found that trans kids who wanted hormone treatments and did not receive them faced greater lifetime odds of suicidal thoughts than those who received “puberty blockers.” These blockers, known as gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogues, are medically safe, and their effects are reversible. The medications have been in use for decades, most often in children who begin puberty too early. For trans kids, they buy some time for young people to explore their gender identity before their bodies develop permanent secondary sex characteristics such as breasts or Adam’s apples. When they are ready, adolescents can decide whether to stop taking the blockers and continue to develop into the gender they were assigned at birth or to take gender-affirming hormones—testosterone or estrogen—to develop the features that match their gender identity.

[cdm]

I'm not sure what was taken out of context but...

The paragraphs on the right are 110% correct. It stems from a fundamental and willful misunderstanding of what it means to be LGBTQ. As a cis white dude I'll never know how that feels but I know and love people who do. Have some fucking empathy for people different than yourself. It's not hard...in fact it's a whole lot easier than the alternative.

[eversonpoe]

I'm not sure what was taken out of context but...

The paragraphs on the right are 110% correct. It stems from a fundamental and willful misunderstanding of what it means to be LGBTQ. As a cis white dude I'll never know how that feels but I know and love people who do. Have some fucking empathy for people different than yourself. It's not hard...in fact it's a whole lot easier than the alternative.

one of my heroes from childhood. i read so many of her books and they were so formative for me. i adore her even more, now.

[Jinsai]

Kink/Fetish and BSDM and different things, don't get them mixed up.

A fetish is an extremely strong devotion to something. There are sexual fetishes and nonsexual fetishes: both are obsessive interests.

Let me ask you this then, what basic rights are you seeking?

What in the actual fuck are you talking about? I'm not trans, but this isn't hard for me to understand. When I meet a woman I don't think "that's an interesting sexual kink she's got going on there... but I wish I could stop hearing about how she probably wants equal rights." I say 'good morning' and mind my own fucking business.

[eversonpoe]

What in the actual fuck are you talking about? I'm not trans, but this isn't hard for me to understand. When I meet a woman I don't think "that's an interesting sexual kink she's got going on there... but I wish I could stop hearing about how she probably wants equal rights." I say 'good morning' and mind my own fucking business.

"when i'm a walkin' i strut my stuff and i'm respectful
i'm high as a kite, i just might, stop to say hello"

[snaapz]

What in the actual fuck are you talking about? I'm not trans, but this isn't hard for me to understand. When I meet a woman I don't think "that's an interesting sexual kink she's got going on there... but I wish I could stop hearing about how she probably wants equal rights." I say 'good morning' and mind my own fucking business.

You missed the part before where someone mentioned ball gags and pissing on someone or something, ask them not me.

[snaapz]

I'm not sure what was taken out of context but...

The paragraphs on the right are 110% correct. It stems from a fundamental and willful misunderstanding of what it means to be LGBTQ. As a cis white dude I'll never know how that feels but I know and love people who do. Have some fucking empathy for people different than yourself. It's not hard...in fact it's a whole lot easier than the alternative.

You shared a tweet which reads "no child is going to become transgender or gay if they read this book..." which means you're in support of CHILDREN reading this book.

Why are people upset over books?

This book in particular has images of people sucking each others dicks with captions saying "I cant wait to have your cock in my mouth"

Why is it so hard for you to understand that parents do not want their kids exposed to books like these, if you or anyone gave this book to my child I would have you arrested.

Do you not yet understand why the general population is becoming angry?

Kids should be reading Dog Man or Goosebumps, not graphic porn.

What the hell is wrong with you.

[sick among the pure]

Don't focus on the media too much, it will only bring you down. Find a good community or network of friends and like minded people.

I'm not sure what it's like in the US but here in Canada no one really cares if someone is trans, but people are getting sick of having trans rights forced upon them and shoved down their throats, it's starting to have a negative impact.

The community needs to take a stand against the extreme activists who are painting a bad image for transgenders.

A recent video shows a man, who was born a woman, holding their baby telling it "I'm your daddy, you came from my tummy". There's a line and this has crossed it.

I am part of a community (lifestyle/non sexual thing) and we know our limits and we respect the vanilla and general public.

We also have an rule which no one disputes and everyone follows, it's extremely frowned upon to involve people in your fetish/kink without their permission. Forcing someone to call you Mrs against their will and then shaming them for refusing to goes against multiple rules.

It took me a very long time to accept that these lifestyles are branded kink/fetish.

Trans has come so far, take the win and let it rest for a while because at this point the activists are only damaging the image. 100%.

You missed the part before where someone mentioned ball gags and pissing on someone or something, ask them not me.

I am part of a community (lifestyle/non sexual thing) and we know our limits and we respect the vanilla and general public.

We also have an rule which no one disputes and everyone follows, it's extremely frowned upon to involve people in your fetish/kink without their permission. Forcing someone to call you Mrs against their will and then shaming them for refusing to goes against multiple rules.

It took me a very long time to accept that these lifestyles are branded kink/fetish.

Im pretty sure you’re the one who brought up kink/fet life, and consistently compared it to being trans.
Whether you brought it up or some other bad faith actor in the thread did, you said your own words buddy.

[sick among the pure]

You shared a tweet which reads "no child is going to become transgender or gay if they read this book..." which means you're in support of CHILDREN reading this book.

Why are people upset over books?

This book in particular has images of people sucking each others dicks with captions saying "I cant wait to have your cock in my mouth"

Why is it so hard for you to understand that parents do not want their kids exposed to books like these, if you or anyone gave this book to my child I would have you arrested.

Do you not yet understand why the general population is becoming angry?

Kids should be reading Dog Man or Goosebumps, not graphic porn.

What the hell is wrong with you.

Do you know any context behind that random screenshot that’s been circulating? What the book is, what’s going on in it, who has access to it, etc. I get the feeling you either know half the story with this screenshot, or you’re intentionally obscuring what’s going on.

[Toadflax]

You missed the part before where someone mentioned ball gags and pissing on someone or something, ask them not me.

Hi, that was me using an extreme example in response to you equating being trans to "forcing your fetish on someone," which you have since admitted you were wrong about.

But it's par for the course that you would misquote and/or misunderstand one of us rather than just going back and reading what was actually said.

[Toadflax]

You shared a tweet which reads "no child is going to become transgender or gay if they read this book..." which means you're in support of CHILDREN reading this book.

Why are people upset over books?

This book in particular has images of people sucking each others dicks with captions saying "I cant wait to have your cock in my mouth"

Why is it so hard for you to understand that parents do not want their kids exposed to books like these, if you or anyone gave this book to my child I would have you arrested.

Do you not yet understand why the general population is becoming angry?

Kids should be reading Dog Man or Goosebumps, not graphic porn.

What the hell is wrong with you.

You know there's LGBTQ+ content that isn't porn, right?

[cdm]

You shared a tweet which reads "no child is going to become transgender or gay if they read this book..." which means you're in support of CHILDREN reading this book.

Why are people upset over books?

This book in particular has images of people sucking each others dicks with captions saying "I cant wait to have your cock in my mouth"

Why is it so hard for you to understand that parents do not want their kids exposed to books like these, if you or anyone gave this book to my child I would have you arrested.

Do you not yet understand why the general population is becoming angry?

Kids should be reading Dog Man or Goosebumps, not graphic porn.

What the hell is wrong with you.

What the FUCK are you talking about? And what does that random screenshot of an unnamed publication have anything to do with what I posted? I'll save you the trouble: Nothing. It has nothing to do with anything relevant...like most of the things you've posted in this thread. Nothing but random shit skimmed off the top of what's probably 4chan, taken at face value and regurgitated as if it's some sort of evidence or reliable source. It's not. It's bullshit. Every fucking thing you've posted here has been bullshit.

[snaapz]

What the FUCK are you talking about? And what does that random screenshot of an unnamed publication have anything to do with what I posted? I'll save you the trouble: Nothing. It has nothing to do with anything relevant...like most of the things you've posted in this thread. Nothing but random shit skimmed off the top of what's probably 4chan, taken at face value and regurgitated as if it's some sort of evidence or reliable source. It's not. It's bullshit. Every fucking thing you've posted here has been bullshit.

I'm sorry that the book 'Gender Queer: A Memoir' offends you.

1. You said "The paragraphs on the right are 110% correct."
2. The paragraph says that these books are good for a child
3. The book in the paragraph you shared is 'Gender Queer: A Memoir'
4. I shared an image from the book you 110% agree with is good for a child


What's so confusing?

[cdm]

I'm sorry that the book 'Gender Queer: A Memoir' offends you.

1. You said "The paragraphs on the right are 110% correct."
2. The paragraph says that these books are good for a child
3. The book in the paragraph you shared is 'Gender Queer: A Memoir'
4. I shared an image from the book you 110% agree with is good for a child


What's so confusing?

You're posting two pages of the book out of context suggesting it's basically porn. You're also suggesting that this shouldn't be available to students of an appropriate age. I disagree with that. This should absolutely be available to high schoolers if they choose to read it. "...if you gave this to my child i'd have you arrested." Great, because that's not a thing that happens in the real world. Instead books are sought out at book stores and libraries by people interested in the subject matter. If a high school student wants to check this book out they either A. think they might identify with it in some way B. find it relevant from a gender studies standpoint or C. might just want to read something from someone's else's perspective. You seem to be unable to separate this from porn, which says more about you than it does me.

[snaapz]

You're posting two pages of the book out of context suggesting it's basically porn. You're also suggesting that this shouldn't be available to students of an appropriate age. I disagree with that. This should absolutely be available to high schoolers if they choose to read it. "...if you gave this to my child i'd have you arrested." Great, because that's not a thing that happens in the real world. Instead books are sought out at book stores and libraries by people interested in the subject matter. If a high school student wants to check this book out they either A. think they might identify with it in some way B. find it relevant from a gender studies standpoint or C. might just want to read something from someone's else's perspective. You seem to be unable to separate this from porn, which says more about you than it does me.

I never said this book is 'basically porn'; but there is graphic sexual activity on more than just two pages.
I never said this book shouldn't be available for students of an appropriate age; I actually ready the first 26 pages and find it quite interesting and can already see how it could turn out to be a great self help book.
I said 'why is it so hard for people to understand why parents dont want this in schools'. If the graphic images (dry humping, dick sucking) was removed then parents would not be so against this book being in schools.
I did say if someone gave this book to my child I would have them arrested.

Showing pornographic pictures to a child is considered sexual abuse. Child sexual abuse can include non-touching behaviors. Purposely exposing a child to adult sexuality is considered a form of child sexual abuse, whether or not a child is touched.

[cdm]

I never said this book is 'basically porn'; but there is graphic sexual activity on more than just two pages.
I never said this book shouldn't be available for students of an appropriate age; I actually ready the first 26 pages and find it quite interesting and can already see how it could turn out to be a great self help book.
I said 'why is it so hard for people to understand why parents dont want this in schools'. If the graphic images (dry humping, dick sucking) was removed then parents would not be so against this book being in schools.
I did say if someone gave this book to my child I would have them arrested.

Showing pornographic pictures to a child is considered sexual abuse. Child sexual abuse can include non-touching behaviors. Purposely exposing a child to adult sexuality is considered a form of child sexual abuse, whether or not a child is touched.

Define child.

Edit: Also...these two statements in the same post is really incredible:

I never said this book is 'basically porn'

and

Showing pornographic pictures to a child is considered sexual abuse.

So which is it?

[snaapz]

Define child.

In this case it doesn't matter, the book is rated 18+ which excludes all children. However, I think the general population thinks of age 3-9 when someone says child.

https://www.amazon.ca/Gender-Queer-M...s%2C129&sr=8-1

I'm not bashing this book, I'm debating the original tweet and how it can be and is misunderstood by the general pop.

[cdm]

In this case it doesn't matter, the book is rated 18+ which excludes all children. However, I think the general population thinks of age 3-9 when someone says child.

https://www.amazon.ca/Gender-Queer-M...s%2C129&sr=8-1

I'm not bashing this book, I'm debating the original tweet and how it can be and is misunderstood by the general pop.

I'm kind of at a loss. We're not talking about distributing this willy nilly to 8 year olds. It's about students of a certain age having access to the book through libraries. Should this be available in high school libraries? I believe an unequivocal yes.

[eversonpoe]

In this case it doesn't matter, the book is rated 18+ which excludes all children.

ok then what's the issue here?

it feels like you are CONSTANTLY grasping at straws to paint trans/queer people as villains while repeatedly claiming you "support" the community, and it's getting tired. i don't understand why you keep coming into this thread. if you're not here to be supportive (which you have not been other than ONE GOOD THING you said), then why are you here???

[snaapz]

ok then what's the issue here?

it feels like you are CONSTANTLY grasping at straws to paint trans/queer people as villains while repeatedly claiming you "support" the community, and it's getting tired. i don't understand why you keep coming into this thread. if you're not here to be supportive (which you have not been other than ONE GOOD THING you said), then why are you here???

I didn't share the tweet which says this book is not harmful to children, how is this my fault? I commented on the OP.

Trans rights are being attacked and support from the general population is going in the wrong direction. Fight tooth and nail for access to health care and basic rights, but there are a lot of unnecessary things going on right now which are not favouring the TG community.

We have many LGBTQ members and drag queens openly speaking out against these questionable agendas, its not just me.

You continue to mistake me.

If you've identified as a woman since you were a child then this 3 year wait should not be a problem, I believe in some safeguards to help protect TRANS-CURIOS people from making the wrong decision.

[cdm]

If you've identified as a woman since you were a child then this 3 year wait should not be a problem...

You don't support shit. You spout whatever misinformed bigoted shit you want and then deflect the blame to other people like it's their problem. It's not. It's a you problem. You are the transphobe. Now I'm going to take my own advice on the ignore function.

[eversonpoe]

You continue to mistake me.

no, i really don't think so.

i'm not here to have debates about my right to exist, about the rights that my community is asking for. i'm here to feel supported and cared for in a tiny little corner of the internet that used to feel like a haven away from discrimination. but you keep coming into this thread and spouting ignorant and/or hateful rhetoric. so for the fourth(?) time, i'm going to ask you to leave this thread, and stop acting like you're an ally, because you're not. you have a LOT of work to do and i'm not going to do it for you.

[eversonpoe]

oh, also, looks like i'll be getting off twitter:

[BRoswell]

"I'm not transphobic!"
*says transphobic shit*
"You misunderstood me! I'm an ally!"
*says more transphobic shit*

[Toadflax]

"I'm not transphobic!"
*says transphobic shit*
"You misunderstood me! I'm an ally!"
*says more transphobic shit*

It's like the Columbo of being shitty.

[Toadflax]

This video appropriately came out yesterday. It talks about Anita Bryant, a woman who was championed and then finally ostracized for telling gay people they could be gay as long as it wasn't at anyone—and how that's exactly what is happening to trans people today.

It also talks about the motte-and-bailey argument, which is when someone says something fairly innocuous and then layers another argument on top that's far harder to defend. Then, when challenged on the second argument, they instead fall back on the first one as if that's all they were saying.

I don't know why, but it seemed appropriate to share...