https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...nay-menon.html
ironically, i feel this belongs in this thread.
xxxooo
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https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...nay-menon.html
ironically, i feel this belongs in this thread.
xxxooo
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/elec...line-1.3969098
ye fellow canucks...please sign and share if you are so inclined.
thank you.
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Are you not worried that this reform might be detrimental to the well being of Canada? Nothing will get done and coalitions will need to be formed to enact and move legislation. It could take the government 5 years to agree on something because of political discourse. This could also put fringe extreme parties into power.Originally Posted by Lew
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Not in the slightest. Consensus builds good policy.
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agreed.
i am not comfortable, in any area of life, with the majority of power resting in the hands of one group.
i would very much like to see proportional representation in place here.
yes, the shift will be a shit show, but too bad....it is worth it in the long run. (imo)
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my way of thinking this only highlights the need for canadians to be engaged...to demand not only representation but to demand maturity in the people being paid to run our country...
politicians seem to find coalitions/consensus to be scary...look what harper did when the makings of a coalition was staring him in the face...he shut that shit down pronto.
yes, guaranteed, that political discourse (deliberate, likely) will need to addressed...hell, i anticipate deliberate b.s. to try to kill the shift and to maintain a "gee, folks, see what happens if you try to FORCE adults into comprimise" so that we can continue to bounce back and forth between a liberal and conservative majority...because THAT is what best suits career politicians.
and as to fringe parties getting power: ok. if that is the will of the people, so be it. truthfully part of me welcomes the idea, simply to get things MOVING.
proportional representation hasn't caused goverments anywhere else to implode, seems to be working fine...so why not?
i remember voting for proportional representation in the referendum. i remember thinking "fuck me. this will never fly simply because people are so fucking terrified of change." plus, elections canada did a shitastic job of defining clearly what it actually meant. i had a huge number of friends and family who were voting no because they simply didn't understand what it meant.
i, personally, am gratified by the noise canadians are making over this...even if JUST to hold trudeau to his platform promises. we let politicians away with far too much. this engagement is surprising and most welcome, from my perspective.
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My thoughts here.
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With Ford having a tumor and possibly having to drop out of the race, would it be possible for Soknacki to jump back in the race? I don't really know the rules surrounding that.
God is an American
No, his decision was final. I was in the room when he announced he would drop out and he made that quite clear.
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That's too bad. I know absolutely nothing about the Toronto mayor thing other than it's Ford v.s non-Ford. Say, if Ford drops out and a big chunk of the electorate has to choose between the other candidates, who do you think has the best chance in winning? Kinda big question, just wondering and you are probably the closest source to Toronto I have lol
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http://www.citynews.ca/2014/09/12/ro...-mayoral-race/
Well Ford is out. Not sure if that means that Doug Ford can't jump in, although that thug doesnt have the charisma of his little brother.
Now it's between Tory and Chow.... that's like choosing if Id rather drink crab juice or puddle water.
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Wow, that's crazy how much the election has changed in just a few days. I can't stand Ford as a person but hope he fights the tumor.
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Doug is in fact jumping in.
http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hal...t_by_doug.html
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Is Doug as popular as Rob with Ford Nation?
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This is to be seen but as I said before, Doug doesn't have the likability or charisma that his brother has... you know when it comes to "the people" and returning phone calls or whatever he says he does. Personally I don't think he stands much of a chance. Then again no one thought Rob stood a chance last election.
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Rob's nephew Mikey has withdrawn his nomination for Ward 2 councillor so that Rob can still run for his old seat on council. It's a desperate, cynical move. I'm excited to not have this awful man as our Mayor after Oct. 27, but we're not rid of him just yet.
Meanwhile, the plan in Ottawa is to turn our country into "a compliant resource colony" of Chinese jurisdiction.
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Had to sell Canada's energy off to someone. I mean it's not like Obama wants to deal with us.
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It's not the fact they are selling the energy, but the way the federal gov has gone about doing so.
Thoooough, I would argue selling the energy in the first place is unethical. Fuck the oil sands.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cana...ct-1-1.2764075
More on the treaty
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We are locked into this deal now for the next THIRTY-ONE YEARS. Never mind that it's still being challenged in court by our First Nations leaders; now that it's ratified China owns our asses. Forget due process, forget democracy. Think anyone will even care enough to vote out the Harper Conservatives?
Last edited by botley; 09-13-2014 at 01:23 AM.
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We might as well just become part of China at this point, burn our Canadian flags and put up Chinese ones... ugh.
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I'll only be fifty two when it expires...
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The FIPA treaty with China is pretty bad indeed. Problem is that a majority of votes are low-informed voters and are probably unaware of what's going on with this because it doesn't affect their day-to-day routine.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/how-do...dacy-1.2764918
Don't know how useful this is for people living in Toronto, but as someone who knows very little about Doug Ford it was pretty interesting.
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Rob Ford diagnosed with "rare" malignant tumor in abdomen.
Given his general physical condition (drugs, alcohol), I don't know how much of a fight he can put up.
Best of luck to him and his family.
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Either he lives or hes doesn't. Either way, this right wing populist attitude seems to be growing in Canadian politics.
With the NDP trying to bring out the 15$ an hour for a federal minimum wage, I hope that brings more people to the social democratic side of politics. So what, I lean to the left, to the point of falling over to my left side. People in B.C, and I assume the rest of Canada, deserve more than what's provided. Canadian social services have fallen way behind what would be American or another nation. I want to go full Nordic.
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It's all part of the Torries strategy.
- Cut in every social programs on the federal to a point where services are lacking everywhere.
- Announce a budget surplus
- Run you next elections on lowering taxes for the middle class
As far as I am concerned, it's not how you should run a country but that's just me. I've always been leaning left from the center.
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Fiscally conservative policy is fine by me. I just wish the PMO wasn't operating by diktat and usurping Parliament's rights.
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There's a difference between being fiscally responsible and butchering services provided by the government to achieve same goal. Budget surplus can be obtained by increasing revenues and cutting expenses. You can balance both nicely.
Just take the cuts made in CBC/Radio-Canada which led to over 650 people losing their jobs. In fact, the Torries have butchered CBC/Radio-Canada to a point where some are questioning it's existence in the near future.
Like I said, it's too easy to cut everything and then promise a tax cut just before the elections.
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To be fair, the CBC was becoming increasingly irrelevant in many departments. I would mourn completely losing it, particularly the excellent radio news and current events programming, but now that Sportsnet owns broadcast rights to NHL hockey, they are struggling to find other ways of staying on peoples' radar.
Far worse, under the banner of "butchering services" that are actually prudent to keep, is this government's treatment of environmental research programs, especially the abhorrent practice of muzzling government-funded scientists from speaking to the media about their work.
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Shit like this really pisses me off: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...reat-1.2769777
Can't be anti-pipeline anymore without the risk of being deemed a terror threat. It's almost worse here than in the States.
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