Once again, I didn't say they did. I said that it's not a completely insane, alien idea to imagine that somebody could interpret them that way.Originally Posted by theimage13
Okay, great. I'm not Maynard. Those points need to be directed at him, not me. Once again, I wasn't explaining that I thought she gave consent. I was listing reasons why, on 99.99% of days, those actions happened to be indicative of consent. If you want to think MJK is a moron for interpreting that as consent, go ahead. But I think it's unfair to jump to the conclusion that he was actively, knowingly raping somebody based on the information available.1) As already stated: her boyfriend was not "left". He wasn't invited. She had to make a choice between meeting an idol or hanging out with the guy she'd spend the rest of the night with anyway. What that indicates is a desire to meet Maynard, not a desire to fuck Maynard. This should never be construed as consent.
2) That's an artist's home. So if your female friend comes over to your house / apartment, you're saying you would interpret that as consent to have sex with you?
3) The back lounge on a bus is just a place where people can watch a movie. Maybe other people were in the front lounge watching that TV. Maybe that one didn't have a working DVD player (trust me, lots of buses have broken crap on them). Maybe that DVR was the one that had his movies recorded on it. But that's moot, because
Okay, so we agree.4) Unless she provided clear consent, there should be tornado sirens blaring in your head that putting your penis inside another person is not a welcome move.
So we're allowed to factor in the guy's intelligence? Would this situation be less severe if the guy in question was a complete moron? If his intelligence plays a factor in how a resonse is formulated, then why can't social/cultural norms or personal experience?So I get what you're saying. You hope your hero was too stupid to realize he was raping someone. But not one single thing you listed in his defense would do that because he still didn't have consent, and literally nothing that you listed should have possibly been taken as such by any rational and intelligent man. And this is Maynard we're talking about. He's goddamn intelligent.
It sounds like you guys are saying "Okay, maybe he didn't realize it was rape because he could mayyyybe, possibly interpret that stuff as consent - if he was a moron." which is seriously only a hair's width away from my point of "Okay, maybe he didn't realize it was rape because he could mayyyybe, possibly interpret that stuff as consent - if he lived a life where, taking into account the very different social/cultural norms at the time, that same scenario probably did signify consent a thousand times before."
I can't tell if you're purposely misrepresenting what I said or what. Let's try that again but this time it's my actual point: "having sex with somebody you didn't realize didn't want it" should warrant a less severe response than "forcibly, violently raping somebody."But in the analogy of "calling your wife a bitch once in 30 years" vs "beating her for 30 years", the one where "oops, I shoved my unprotected dick in you when you didn't want me to" falls on the lower scale along with calling someone a bad name once in three decades? Jesus man, what type of sexual assault is on the higher end of the spectrum then?
I think I'm smarter than Maynard. I like the way he sings. That's where our relationship begins and ends. I think he's pretentious and don't take heed with anything he says as a *person. I don't care what his lyrics mean, I interpret lyrics in a way personal to me. The artist's intent doesn't factor into it.
Women don't report rape because I posting on a message board explaining that I believe some chick's story about being raped?
Christ, it's no wonder why so many impressionable younger people are taking up with the alt-right crowd lately. It's absolutely astounding what unabashed pricks you guys are being to somebody (who, in most other contexts, could be described as a relatively radical leftist) who agrees with you on literally almost every single detail and angle of this.
But boy, that one minor subdetail of a difference of opinion definitely means I'm a toxic, rape supporting, knuckle-dragging Maynard junkie who exemplifies the reason women stay quiet about rape. I'm sure glad we could all remain civil and mature for five minutes.
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