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    Last "good" album they subjectively did by consensus was Untouchables but in my opinion the last "good" album and one of my personal favorites was Take A Look In The Mirror.

    First two albums are fire, especially that first one. So dark, fresh and new. I really love Issues as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    one thing that will be controversial is that I bought a best of Smashing Pumpkins CD rotten apples on the basis of how much so many people on here love them, great songs, horrible horrible voice. Does his voice grow on you over time?
    You get used to it and while I remember finding it off-putting at first, eventually I think you hear it in the right song and it starts really working. Check out Starla - too many of their greatest songs are B-sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    Last "good" album they subjectively did by consensus was Untouchables but in my opinion the last "good" album and one of my personal favorites was Take A Look In The Mirror.

    First two albums are fire, especially that first one. So dark, fresh and new. I really love Issues as well.
    Korn's last album was really good. Like, surprisingly so.

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    This mostly applies to God Break Down The Door but, I felt that it would be more appropriate to post it here since it can be applied to pretty much anything.

    Why do some people like to get wrapped up in some of the most trivial shit?
    Every time there is a new release by any band, mostly NIN, there is always someone in contention about irrelevant, tiny, details that they blow out of proportion.
    They argue about it to death and somehow like to make it the most significant part of the release?
    Who gives a shit if it's labeled as an L.P. or E.P.?
    Why can't they just be content that there is something new and unique released instead of the constant nick-picking to the point it barely counts as critique.

    It's formulaic at this point and I've read these same complaints every single time there is a new release:
    "Oh such and such isn't such and such album"; Then go listen to that album if that is what you want to hear.
    "This song sounds similar to this previous existing song and that's why I hate the entire album cause it's pure laziness"; no one is forcing you to listen to it.
    "I could have done it better"; Then go do it, I'll wait for you to release it, give it a listen and tell you my honest option about it and see if you can stack up against said artist you are trying to shit all over.

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    Agreed

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    ariana grande's new song "no tears left to cry" is fucking AMAZING.

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    Almost every album since the 90s could lose 2-5 songs and be a superior listen, the amount that actually warrant being over 40 or so minutes and don't have same-y or repetitive songs that drag it down overall are in an extreme minority and I'm happy so many artists from mainstream to obscure are starting to focus more on quality over quantity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziltoid View Post
    Why do some people like to get wrapped up in some of the most trivial shit?
    Cause on the internet everyone is equal so you can read every little trivial shit someone has somehow decided to talk about for days and days, annoying to everyone but himself.

    On the other side you got some impressively great contribution to a discussion sometimes, because some person decided to try his best to contribute something very rewarding to everyone involved.

    Gotta move the conversation ahead while it's possible I guess. Can be hard. When in drought of content, there is a need of a core of users bringing quality content themselves. Oh well, whatever, let's just go outside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kleiner352 View Post
    Almost every album since the 90s could lose 2-5 songs and be a superior listen, the amount that actually warrant being over 40 or so minutes and don't have same-y or repetitive songs that drag it down overall are in an extreme minority and I'm happy so many artists from mainstream to obscure are starting to focus more on quality over quantity.
    I don't find this controversial at all. Once the CD era was in full swing, many albums fell victim to the tendency to make them bloated and overindulgent simply because the time constraints of vinyl had been subverted. This resulted in self-editing going out the window a lot of the time. I can think of many albums from the 90s that would have been better with some tracks removed, even albums that are already brilliant. Not sure what time period it was when people finally realized that albums needed to be shorter again, but I'm glad it happened.
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    I agree too. I like that so many of bands I like keep it to 9 to 10 songs on the album because there's less room for filler and mediocre songs. It feels like each song counts and that the artist really put thought and time into the song to include it on a short album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piggy View Post
    I don't find this controversial at all. Once the CD era was in full swing, many albums fell victim to the tendency to make them bloated and overindulgent simply because the time constraints of vinyl had been subverted. This resulted in self-editing going out the window a lot of the time. I can think of many albums from the 90s that would have been better with some tracks removed, even albums that are already brilliant. Not sure what time period it was when people finally realized that albums needed to be shorter again, but I'm glad it happened.
    If an album is already brilliant I don't see the point removing anything. If it works, perfect, but if too much harms the quality of the whole that much, well yeah that's a real problem. All boils down to taste, and maybe it's more easily consumable if it's shorter for you. But I don't feel like that personally and prefer to live an experience with all the added content, when it's still good and not forced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StockAvuryah View Post
    If an album is already brilliant I don't see the point removing anything. If it works, perfect, but if too much harms the quality of the whole that much, well yeah that's a real problem. All boils down to taste, and maybe it's more easily consumable if it's shorter for you. But I don't feel like that personally and prefer to live an experience with all the added content, when it's still good and not forced.
    Yes, I know my statement was a bit goofy. Here are some good examples of what I mean:

    Superunknown and/or Down On The Upside by Soundgarden
    No Code by Pearl Jam
    Priest = Aura by The Church
    Satyricon by Meat Beat Manifesto
    New Adventures In Hi-Fi by R.E.M.
    Mule Variations by Tom Waits

    All brilliant albums, but all could use a little trim in my opinion. There are a couple of tracks on each one that, while they add variety, feel like throwaways or they interrupt the flow and vibe of the albums.

    I also hate when albums have segues or interstitial pieces, like Fantastic Planet by Failure, Boys For Pele by Tori Amos, and Outside by David Bowie. For me, all of those would be better without the extra stuff. I know they are all basically concept albums and the extra stuff is meant to further flesh that out, but I feel like they still have plenty of narrative or cohesion without them.
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    The Cult are shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piggy View Post
    ...Boys For Pele by Tori Amos...
    really? i feel like every single piece on there is fantastic, and the album flows perfectly. it's on the longer side but i feel like i've really gone on a proper journey by the time i finish it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    really? i feel like every single piece on there is fantastic, and the album flows perfectly. it's on the longer side but i feel like i've really gone on a proper journey by the time i finish it.
    I just discovered this album last year and am bummed I missed out on 20 years of listening to it. The video promo/EPK shots of her recording in a church are amazing, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    really? i feel like every single piece on there is fantastic, and the album flows perfectly. it's on the longer side but i feel like i've really gone on a proper journey by the time i finish it.
    I guess I just hate that songs like "Mr. Zebra", "Way Down" or "Agent Orange" are too short to really go anywhere, so they just kind of bug me. I've always been annoyed by super short songs. Don't know why.

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    This may be controversial.... I feel as though Tori Amos copies way too much from Kate Bush at times... I can’t respect that.

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    I feel you on that. It's part of why I'm not really into Tori anymore. I mean, right down to photos in the UTP booklet echoing photos from HOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piggy View Post
    I feel you on that. It's part of why I'm not really into Tori anymore. I mean, right down to photos in the UTP booklet echoing photos from HOL.
    it's always so interesting to me how music affects people differently. i've never been able to get into kate bush because i can't make an emotional connection to her music, whereas tori has always pulled me in and not let go (well, up until about 2005).

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    it's always so interesting to me how music affects people differently. i've never been able to get into kate bush because i can't make an emotional connection to her music, whereas tori has always pulled me in and not let go (well, up until about 2005).
    That's a very valid point. Tori used to make some incredibly emotional music and no one can take that away from her. I guess with Kate Bush, it was more that people were drawn in by how odd or different she was, or how she was part of a seismic shift in how women in music were perceived (alongside ladies like Joan Jett or Patti Smith, etc.)
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    I love Oneohtrix Point Never, dude's a Aphex Twin-level genius who crafts self-contained worlds. Sometimes in just a song like Chrome Country.

    But I'm just not feeling the new one. I get bummed when producers try to crossover into vocal music. It also feels like he had spread himself thin and din't have the conceptual lattice in place that he usually constructs, and is just mashing what he's been reading recently in interviews, retroactively. The CCRU stuff, specifically.

    I like James Blake fine, I haven't listened to him since his first instrumental singles and his first LP. I have to wonder about Lopatin handing off that much creative control.

    Dunno, maybe it'll click later. His stuff usually knocks me out right off the bat, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polski View Post
    I love Oneohtrix Point Never, dude's a Aphex Twin-level genius who crafts self-contained worlds. Sometimes in just a song like Chrome Country.

    But I'm just not feeling the new one. I get bummed when producers try to crossover into vocal music. It also feels like he had spread himself thin and din't have the conceptual lattice in place that he usually constructs, and is just mashing what he's been reading recently in interviews, retroactively. The CCRU stuff, specifically.

    I like James Blake fine, I haven't listened to him since his first instrumental singles and his first LP. I have to wonder about Lopatin handing off that much creative control.

    Dunno, maybe it'll click later. His stuff usually knocks me out right off the bat, though.
    You're not alone at all. This new record is doing nothing for me and everything Lopatin has released has generally had an immediate impact with me. Garden of Delete is without a doubt one of the most intense listens coming from a guy who has had an impressive discography ... and the Good Time soundtrack was equally as great.

    The "vocals" and ethereal atmosphere of the album and the sound he's going for doesn't really connect with me because it doesn't land on anything interesting throughout the entire listen. Nothing against the ideas of vocals as OPN used it to it's advantage on GOD, but this new one feels like a massive swing and a miss for me.

    How the hell do you get him and Prurient on a track together and it be so underwhelming?

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    His explanation for all the harpsichord sounds was that it's a stupid instrument seemed a little too irony poisoned for me, as well. Whereas before like with R PLUS SEVEN it felt like he was genuinely in love with some of the newer VSTs that mix FM synthesis with analog modeling. Like how he obsessed on the Juno for so long.

    One thing that's interesting about him is that he leans so hard into a new sound design/instrument that it effectively blocks it from use unless you want to be a copycat. I'm not sure whether that's a conscious decision on his part or not to lay ownership over a thing like that.

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    Carly Rae Jepsen, Kiesza and Feist were one-hit wonders. If all the radio stations never seem to play more than one of your songs, then that DOES make you a one-hit wonder, no matter how many singles you released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Newman View Post
    This may be controversial.... I feel as though Tori Amos copies way too much from Kate Bush at times... I can’t respect that.
    I think she ows more to Joni Mitchell

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    I have never cared for trip hop or shoegaze because I find them boring. That music puts me to sleep. Most of the white soul/R&B movement that was started in the late 2000's by Amy Winehouse was lost on me.

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    I hate it when people go into a thread for a topic they hate or have no interest in just for the sake of trolling. At Hoffman's forum, you would get banned for doing that. Oops, wrong thread. I meant to put this in the things that piss me off.

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    pop music is so much better now than it was 20 years ago when i was a teenager. there was a ton of puff daddy, mariah carey, will smith ... it all sucked. when i'm driving i hear new shit and a lot of it has heavy disco elements and four-on-the-floor kind of vibes. like ariana grande's "no tears left to cry" or "feels" by calvin harris. it's just really great stuff.

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    I'm gonna say Mariah Carey in the 90s was her peak. She had an amazing voice whether or not the songs themselves were fluff or crap. Now, her voice just isn't the same.

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    calling musicians who create beats "Producers" is fucking stupid...

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