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    Controversial Music Opinions...

    I'll get the ball rolling...

    Randy Rhoads was not that good. Yes he was a great player, but it's cartoon heavy metal, it sounds silly & tacky. Only the bad taste bastards of the metal world would think that neo classical rock is a good idea (just the term makes me wince).

    Bob Dylan... so fucking what? Don't get it. Some stuff I don't get but I see the appeal. Not Bob.

    The Clash were just middle class chancers making pop rock and are only so big because most people don't want to be challenged, but like the idea that they are. I say this as a fan of the clash! But the idea they were punk is bullshit... they were a pub rock band who pretended to be angry interested in politics and social issues because that's what constituted the latest fad at the time

    A friend of mine once said that if Corrosion of Conformity had released "Load" instead of Metallica, it would be hailed as a classic - spot on. Not a massive fan of Load but it gets unfairly slagged

    The Beatles = overrated. And before anyone (not that I have you lot pegged as bastards, but slagging the beatles usually gets a bad response) gets all pompous, tells me I am a bad person or stupid for not liking them and lectures me on how important they are to the development of pop music (really?! no shit. wow you must have watched television or read a paper at least once or twice to gain such an insight, I am in awe), I know - and I do like them. But for me the myth is as powerful as the music - that's why, when you say they are overrated, people always refer to the band's place in history rather than the music itself. they didn't invent beat pop, they didn't invent psychedelia, they didn't invent rock music or heavy metal... let it be!!!

    Mastodon's drummer is so good he's shit - ditto Steve Vai. But only virginal bedroom guitar heroes stick up for Vai so maybe that's not so controversial

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    Bob Dylan=can't stand the man, though I get why he was influential/important.

    The Beatles=not overrated at all. Best band ever in so many ways. It's the Rolling Stones I can't stand. They have a few good songs, but I just can't fucking stand them most of the time.

    My controversial opinions:

    Slayer=overrated as fuck.

    Iron Maiden=ghastly, horrible band who rip off Queen without ever realizing that Freddy Mercury was having a laugh and not taking himself seriously. All music that descends from Iron Maiden (power metal) makes me cringe.

    Stephen Malkmus=horrible.

    Limp Bizkit=awesome.

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    oooo...

    I will go out on a limb and say LB have an album's worth of good songs
    I need a shower now

    edit - TOOL! Never got it. Love APC but Tool sends me to sleep. Just don't get it... really feel like I should

    I always hated Green Day but I quite like American Idiot & tbh it's a pretty coherent & a decent premise for a concept album. They still leave a bad taste in my mouth, but I can't deny i enjoyed that one
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    Maynards voice sickens me, like I've literally got an aversion to it. Generally speaking my reaction to singers is either like or indifference, but theres something about Maynard's voice that irritates the shit out of me.

    I love Bob Dylan, but having said that I do sometimes think Townes was better (totally that old controversial Steve Earle - stand on Bobs coffee table in his cowboy boots...) either way they are both phenomenal (as is Steve Earle )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    TOOL! Never got it. Love APC but Tool sends me to sleep. Just don't get it... really feel like I should
    Quote Originally Posted by Minpin View Post
    Maynards voice sickens me, like I've literally got an aversion to it. Generally speaking my reaction to singers is either like or indifference, but theres something about Maynard's voice that irritates the shit out of me.
    This is not the place for me.


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    Personally, I'd say that once you reach a certain age or understanding of music, a dislike of someone shouldn't be labeled as 'controversial'. To beat the dead horse some more...look at Marilyn Manson. Loved...L O V E D his earlier stuff but he let himself go and his work has blatantly suffered as result of it. Can't stand him now and often wonder how I could at one point. I chalk it up to being a teenager though, and am grateful that it was a gateway of sorts to better music.

    Personally I can't stand Limp Bizkit but am fully aware that some people do. I always found the 'bro rock' bands to be cliche as hell but whatever floats your boat. Agreed on Slayer. Whereas I wouldn't say they're overrated, I can probably get through about 2 songs max before switching to something else. Also agreed on Iron Maiden. I get what they've done for metal but I can't get in to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by october_midnight View Post
    Personally, I'd say that once you reach a certain age or understanding of music, a dislike of someone shouldn't be labeled as 'controversial'.
    Aah...not sure if I've caught what you mean (hungover, foggy), but labelling something "controversial" doesn't necessarily betray a lack of insight or maturity - the intention of the thread isn't "list bands you hate"... If you dislike something widely hailed or love something similarly reviled, this typically stokes controversy - it has nothing to do with the maturity or knowledge of the person making the comment - the controversial value is dictated by how occasionally unable the public are to just accept a difference of opinion without calling into question how well informed the judgement is. The maturity of everyone else is the issue, in fact! Case in point - this is the ONLY place ON EARTH where I have slagged off the Beatles and people haven't pissed their pants and cast aspersions on my character

    On the subject of our Brian... Eat Me Drink Me is better than anything after holy wood. The EMDM shows I saw were better than the Holy Wood shows too... shouldn't be true, but I can't lie to myself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by october_midnight View Post
    Personally, I'd say that once you reach a certain age or understanding of music, a dislike of someone shouldn't be labeled as 'controversial'. To beat the dead horse some more...look at Marilyn Manson.
    think you've totally missed the point, but outside of the Manson thread I really don't think hating on Manson would by any stretch be called controversial these days...

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    Let's see...

    I'll echo the initial poster's post on The Beatles to every letter in it.

    I find U2 to be overrated junk that has a few good songs but it is mostly due to over hype by media. Sad thing is, I mostly blame their over hype on Bono.

    I believe that when everyone jerks off to Metallica's yesteryears (aka Kill 'em All to ...And Justice for All) for being the best of the best I will slag you off. Every band in the 'Core Four' are way better than Metallica by a long shot (Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax).

    Bob Dylan is a boring man to listen to. I appreciate and like his lyrical work but as for him performing songs...call me, I'll be asleep.

    I fucking absolutely LOVE Tom Waits but let's face, the guy sucks at singing. He's fucking terrible. I love him though. <3

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    Again, it all depends on who you're talking to I guess...which was sort of my point. In the MM thread, saying you think he's terrible now could be 'controversial' but in a group of people who share the same opinion it'd be agreed upon. Maybe the more concise way to say what I was trying to get out was that in a medium such as music, disliking an artist for whatever reason, no matter how popular they are (i.e. The Beatles) isn't really controversial to me. Some people love them, some people can't stand them. I for one love Tom Waits, and the fact that he has such a beaten-down old man voice is part of the charm...he knows how he sounds and doesn't care. Some people can't stand him. I find neither opinion controversial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by october_midnight View Post
    Again, it all depends on who you're talking to I guess...which was sort of my point. In the MM thread, saying you think he's terrible now could be 'controversial' but in a group of people who share the same opinion it'd be agreed upon. Maybe the more concise way to say what I was trying to get out was that in a medium such as music, disliking an artist for whatever reason, no matter how popular they are (i.e. The Beatles) isn't really controversial to me. Some people love them, some people can't stand them. I for one love Tom Waits, and the fact that he has such a beaten-down old man voice is part of the charm...he knows how he sounds and doesn't care. Some people can't stand him. I find neither opinion controversial.
    for the purpose of this thread, think controversial in terms of going against a "general" consensus

    EDIT: also why specifically music? From your reasoning doesn't sound like anything could be controversial...
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    The point is to ascertain some opinions on music you have that will inspire popular butthurt. You'll always find someone who has contrary feelings, not denying that possiblity, but rationally you have to acknowledge there are such things as popularly held opinions, and making statements that aren't aligned with those opinions will most likely stoke controversy. It's always fun to read people's insane opinions! Anthrax better than Metallica... I actually sucked air through my teeth when I read that! Good stuff

    You know exactly what I mean now confess guilty pleasures and slaughter some sacred cows!

    Pearl Jam were shit... also Chris Cornell is so phony it makes me cringe

    Dunno if you guys know the Manic Street Preachers, but Know Your Enemy was one of their 3 best albums IMO. Absolutely baffled by its bad reputation, best thing they'd done since Holy Bible or Everything Must Go

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    Tom Waits - I can "hear" why his music is appreciated, but it has never really touched me. Just some drunk growling to bad coumtry music.

    Pink Floyd - In terms of songwriting and dynamics, nothing gets past them, but most of their music sounds so thin and distant, never really got it.

    Ministry - Tried so many times to get into them, I don't know if it's Al's voice or their music, just doesn't happen.

    Converge/Dillinger Escape Plan - Any --core music for me is gut music not "head" music.

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    Morrissey & solo projects: It's shit, I don't like the man or the music, I've tried but never had an Aha-moment with it, any of it. If anyone has one of those Aha-moment songs to convert me, please try.

    I saw him at Coachella 99 or 00 and got sick of his dandy-like stage persona taking off his shirt and twisting the sweat down on the dorks in the "pit". Disgusting. Convert me.

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    Tom Waits: can't stand him or understand what others see in him.

    Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon is one of the most blah records ever. A snoozefest.

    Dillinger: awesome. Converge: live great, on record a total bore. I literally get bored after a few minutes.

    U2: They do have some great songs, but on the whole are totally overrated.

    Metallica: I get that they were so influential etc, but I don't really care. I admit I liked the black album for a week in the early 90s, and I also admit that I sometimes hear old Metallica on the radio and go "hmm, that sounds alright." But for the most part I don't get Metallica worship at all, don't get what the all fuss is about. Seen them live and, whatever, neither bad nor good. I own Master of Puppets and every time I've listened to it it does absolutely nothing for me, it's just annoying. Hetfield's vocals are stupid and annoying. Maybe what I am hearing on the radio is ...And Justice for All.

    Lou Reed: ugh.

    Morrissey, on the other hand, I love: check these awesome numbers out:



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    Quote Originally Posted by aggroculture View Post
    Morrissey, on the other hand, I love: check these awesome numbers out:
    Thanks for trying to convert me. To be honest, I have to admit that "First of the gang to die" is an awesome song. I've heard it of course many times before and liked it, but it's probably the only song that I like by him. As for the other ones, I think the first one "the more you ignore me" is the reason for why i think Morrissey is a douche. It sounds like a toothpaste/dandruff jingle, and a bad one at that. The third one "the world" has that aura of something that sounds as if it might turn good at any moment, but it doesn't, at all. Major turnoff. The last one sounds like someones uncle taking karaoke lessons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobochic View Post
    Thanks for trying to convert me. To be honest, I have to admit that "First of the gang to die" is an awesome song. I've heard it of course many times before and liked it, but it's probably the only song that I like by him. As for the other ones, I think the first one "the more you ignore me" is the reason for why i think Morrissey is a douche. It sounds like a toothpaste/dandruff jingle, and a bad one at that. The third one "the world" has that aura of something that sounds as if it might turn good at any moment, but it doesn't, at all. Major turnoff. The last one sounds like someones uncle taking karaoke lessons.
    I'm a huge Morrissey fan. If these ones don't float your boat you're a lost cause:

    My Dearest Love:



    Lost:



    Life Is A Pigsty:



    I'll Never Be Anybody's Hero Now:



    Black Cloud:



    Christian Dior:


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    Ministry's ever popular "Jesus Built My Hotrod" is a terrible song and I don't really get how it has the praise it does.

    Rammstein's 2001 album, Mutter, is terrible and doesn't have a good song on it. I don't like anything off or from it. Never bought it, never been in my library since my initial hearing and never will my opinion change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    Rammstein's 2001 album, Mutter, is terrible and doesn't have a good song on it. I don't like anything off or from it. Never bought it, never been in my library since my initial hearing and never will my opinion change.
    Funny, i think the exact same thing about "Rosenrot", i just can't get into it...
    "Mutter" is a bit mediocre at times but it's listenable compared to "Rosenrot", i think this one is the worst Rammstein release.
    I also find "Reise Reise" extremely underrated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    Rammstein's 2001 album, Mutter, is terrible and doesn't have a good song on it. I don't like anything off or from it. Never bought it, never been in my library since my initial hearing and never will my opinion change.
    You just broke my heart Space.

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    Maynard's voice is the best part of Tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlitchyFlame View Post
    Maynard's voice is the best part of Tool.
    Blasphemy!!!!