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    Quote Originally Posted by aggroculture View Post
    it says "This video is not available"
    is that because I'm in Canada?
    probably. sorry.

    here's a bandcamp link! https://theelizabethdane.bandcamp.co...ue-turtle-yoga

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    Brad Roberts is one of the best lyricist of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrodoommonkey View Post
    Brad Roberts is one of the best lyricist of all time.
    Bold claim. Love me some Brad Roberts and CTD.

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    Mastodon are so mediocre and horrible. It makes me sad that this is what passes as the best metal has to offer. I've always been baffled by their success. Their music is just a bunch of influences thrown together in a random way, hardly ever arriving at good songwriting. A bit of Neurosis, a bit of Sabbath, a bit of King Crimson, a bit of Nirvana - and repeat. They don't have a classic song - a "Paranoid," "Enter Sandman," "Walk," or "Schizoid Man." I just feel they're a tired old version of what a metal band can be: all recycled bits from the past and nothing new. Cliche upon cliche (Moby Dick, Rasputin, blood, deserts, monsters, empires) wrapped up in a good dose of hipster handlebar irony. Occasionally they come up with a decent tune (High Road, Crystal Skull), but it's far and wide among their generally underwhelming output.
    Also, Brent Hinds is a shitty human being who bragged about assaulting another musician: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mas...u-in-the-face/

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggroculture View Post
    Mastodon are so mediocre and horrible. It makes me sad that this is what passes as the best metal has to offer. I've always been baffled by their success. Their music is just a bunch of influences thrown together in a random way, hardly ever arriving at good songwriting. A bit of Neurosis, a bit of Sabbath, a bit of King Crimson, a bit of Nirvana - and repeat. They don't have a classic song - a "Paranoid," "Enter Sandman," "Walk," or "Schizoid Man." I just feel they're a tired old version of what a metal band can be: all recycled bits from the past and nothing new. Cliche upon cliche (Moby Dick, Rasputin, blood, deserts, monsters, empires) wrapped up in a good dose of hipster handlebar irony. Occasionally they come up with a decent tune (High Road, Crystal Skull), but it's far and wide among their generally underwhelming output.
    Also, Brent Hinds is a shitty human being who bragged about assaulting another musician: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mas...u-in-the-face/
    woof, i didn't know that about brent. that makes me sad, especially because i love king khan.

    musically, though, i highly disagree with you. i really, truly enjoy mastodon. i think they meld all their influences in a unique way that makes for some great music.

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    Their more recent stuff has been mediocre, but Leviathan, Blood Mountain and CtS are all-time classics. They used to put so many great riffs into each track and yet they're so fucking catchy and easy to get into. The drum work is especially spectacular, Brann is a literal god.
    I listened to a lot of Dream Theater when I just got into prog metal, but I quickly grew weary of them needlessly stretching out their songs and let's be honest, most of their stuff is pure wank. Mastodon is like the total opposite of them, redefining fun with every new release... until OMRTS happened.

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    I'm not a big fan of Ministry.

    I DO respect them for what they've done, and acknowledge that without them, a lot of my favorite bands would not exist/sound completely different, but IMO Ministry would be so much better if most of their songs were shortened by about 3-4 minutes.

    That being said, there are some tracks that are perfect the way they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggroculture View Post
    Mastodon are so mediocre and horrible. It makes me sad that this is what passes as the best metal has to offer. I've always been baffled by their success. Their music is just a bunch of influences thrown together in a random way, hardly ever arriving at good songwriting. A bit of Neurosis, a bit of Sabbath, a bit of King Crimson, a bit of Nirvana - and repeat. They don't have a classic song - a "Paranoid," "Enter Sandman," "Walk," or "Schizoid Man." I just feel they're a tired old version of what a metal band can be: all recycled bits from the past and nothing new. Cliche upon cliche (Moby Dick, Rasputin, blood, deserts, monsters, empires) wrapped up in a good dose of hipster handlebar irony. Occasionally they come up with a decent tune (High Road, Crystal Skull), but it's far and wide among their generally underwhelming output.
    Also, Brent Hinds is a shitty human being who bragged about assaulting another musician: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mas...u-in-the-face/
    They're boring and the drummer is OTT wankery. And oh look, someone who's mates with Josh Homme turns out to be an abusive cock. It's a good job we can never know if all these allegations are true, otherwise I would just conclude these people are a shower of shitty bastards

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    Staind has some decent songs, especially when dude plays them acoustic. I think that, at the core, he's a sensitive singer -songwriter type and the songs suffered from being played in the post grunge style that was so popular at the time.
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    Controversial Music Opinions...

    Tool are so fucking boring.

    I seriously tried, listened to their albums, but no... despite having a few good songs, I canít help it, they are mind-numbingly boring, flat, generic and derivative.

    Whatís even worse: tool fans. If you donít like tool, apparently it is ďbecause you donít understand toolĒ as if to truly appreciate their music you were required to have a certain degree of enlightenment to really understand the depth of their art.

    You havenít dropped enough acid to open your third eye and enjoy and appreciate this band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tremolo View Post
    Tool are so fucking boring.

    I seriously tried, listened to their albums, but no... despite having a few good songs, I can’t help it, they are mind-numbingly boring, flat, generic and derivative.

    What’s even worse: tool fans. If you don’t like tool, apparently it is “because you don’t understand tool” as if to truly appreciate their music you were required to have a certain degree of enlightenment to really understand the depth of their art.

    You haven’t dropped enough acid to open your third eye and enjoy and appreciate this band.
    I can see the boring part, "flat" is a word with different meanings to different people, but the "generic and derivative" one took me by surprise. Care to show some examples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shunt View Post
    I can see the boring part, "flat" is a word with different meanings to different people, but the "generic and derivative" one took me by surprise. Care to show some examples?
    Examples of what?
    Itís just an opinion, not absolute facts. Itís not like I have to prove anything.

    By flat, I mean that none of their songs made me go ďoh, wait, what was that? Iíll play it againĒ. I mean, no melody, riff, lyrics made me have that reaction. Generic and derivative... sounds like Iíve listened to it before, but with different band names and song titles. Again, itís not bad music at all, it just doesnít touch or tickle me in the right places. It feels more appropriate as background music while Iím doing something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tremolo View Post
    Examples of what?
    It’s just an opinion, not absolute facts. It’s not like I have to prove anything.

    By flat, I mean that none of their songs made me go “oh, wait, what was that? I’ll play it again”. I mean, no melody, riff, lyrics made me have that reaction. Generic and derivative... sounds like I’ve listened to it before, but with different band names and song titles. Again, it’s not bad music at all, it just doesn’t touch or tickle me in the right places. It feels more appropriate as background music while I’m doing something else.
    I think he wanted to know what you felt like tool was derivative of. (Of what tool was derivative?)

    They're usually considered sort of groundbreaking, although I'd argue that some of it is reminiscent of certain bits of Jethro Tull and Rush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    I think he wanted to know what you felt like tool was derivative of. (Of what tool was derivative?)
    Yeah, that's what I meant.

    I see influences like King Crimson here and there but generally speaking, I see Tool as one of the few bands with a unique, personal sound. Maybe we are having a case o "Seinfeld is unfunny" here? That was my opinion on Nirvana or Radiohead at first, but it didn't last long. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...nfeldIsUnfunny

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    I enjoyed Tool quite a bit when I was about 14 or so, but as I've gotten older, I find them to be pretty insufferable. Their lyrics are really bad, and their whole dark, math-nerd, mystic bro image is so cringe-worthy.

    I could maybe appreciate them in a dumb, tongue-in-cheek sort of way, kind of like listening to "We Built This City" or "The Final Countdown" or any other music that has that kind of silly entertainment value. But I can't imagine actually taking their music seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggroculture View Post
    Mastodon are so mediocre and horrible. It makes me sad that this is what passes as the best metal has to offer. I've always been baffled by their success. Their music is just a bunch of influences thrown together in a random way, hardly ever arriving at good songwriting. A bit of Neurosis, a bit of Sabbath, a bit of King Crimson, a bit of Nirvana - and repeat. They don't have a classic song - a "Paranoid," "Enter Sandman," "Walk," or "Schizoid Man." I just feel they're a tired old version of what a metal band can be: all recycled bits from the past and nothing new. Cliche upon cliche (Moby Dick, Rasputin, blood, deserts, monsters, empires) wrapped up in a good dose of hipster handlebar irony. Occasionally they come up with a decent tune (High Road, Crystal Skull), but it's far and wide among their generally underwhelming output.
    Also, Brent Hinds is a shitty human being who bragged about assaulting another musician: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mas...u-in-the-face/
    I had to see them at a festival last year and despite liking none of the studio tracks I checked out, I’d heard so much about how good they are and tried to keep an open mind. It was one of the most boring shows I have ever seen. The whole time people around me were so into it and I was baffled. I’ve never been a metalhead anyway but I’ve been able to get into and enjoy the genre live, but everything about them felt flat and generic.

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    I owned a Limp Bizkit album in 1997 for about a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    I owned a Limp Bizkit album in 1997 for about a week
    I owned- and probably still have them somewhere- TWO LB CD’s. It’s a pretty safe bet that if one was a white male in his teenage years to mid 20’s back when they blew up that that person owned something from LB.

    The worst though was buying an ICP CD back in the late 90’s. I think I didn’t even make it through one listen. I actually liked LB back in the day, but time hasn’t been kind to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    I owned- and probably still have them somewhere- TWO LB CD’s. It’s a pretty safe bet that if one was a white male in his teenage years to mid 20’s back when they blew up that that person owned something from LB.

    The worst though was buying an ICP CD back in the late 90’s. I think I didn’t even make it through one listen. I actually liked LB back in the day, but time hasn’t been kind to them.
    they're about to repress the amazing jeckel brothers on vinyl. i bought the CD in 7th grade because of the song "fuck the world" in which they inform you that they "say fuck in this song 93 times" and because when you're 12/13 that's hilarious and so edgy.

    i don't have it anymore.

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    I think Manic Street Preachers are boring as fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    I think Manic Street Preachers are boring as fuck.
    All of it? I would say fair enough but the holy bible album stands apart, so much better than everything else they did, and by a huge margin. It's actually pretty strange

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    All of it? I would say fair enough but the holy bible album stands apart, so much better than everything else they did, and by a huge margin. It's actually pretty strange
    That was my first stop and I’ve revisited it several times. Does nothing for me!

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    Fair enough - I've listened to it obsessively since I was 14, so it's pretty much impossible to view it objectively, not actually sure if it's good or not!

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    So a co-worker played Phish at work and I can reaffirm my hate for "jam bands" that play one song of guitar wanking for 23 minutes a song and it's a meandering melody with nothing tying to it.

    Hate that shit. Total snooze fest.

    Phish also sucks. Thanks for the Ben and Jerry's ice cream flavor though, boys.
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    @frankie teardrop thank you, i fucking despise the grateful dead (including "touch of grey")

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    Korn are one band that greatly improved over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhettButler View Post
    Korn are one band that greatly improved over time.
    How about no?
    I think they gradually lost and diluted everything that made them interesting.
    The first two albums founded a genre, were classics in their time, then the band got more and more mainstream and boring. I enjoy everything up to Untitled, after that I find them to be nothing but a hollow shell, with the occasional catchy tune (like 1 or 2 per album tops).
    These records with Ray Luzier are embarassing, and they just keep getting worse and worse: formulaic songwriting, bad lyrics, no power at all, just empty wannabe industrial rock.
    Also, JD's solo album sounds super weak: https://www.theprp.com/2018/03/19/ne...ack-labyrinth/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhettButler View Post
    Korn are one band that greatly improved over time.
    if anything they became worse...

    Deftones on another hand, got so much better
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhettButler View Post
    Korn are one band that greatly improved over time.
    live, arguably yes...studio output, not a shot in hell.

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