Controversial Music Opinions...

[Sutekh]

I'll get the ball rolling...

Randy Rhoads was not that good. Yes he was a great player, but it's cartoon heavy metal, it sounds silly & tacky. Only the bad taste bastards of the metal world would think that neo classical rock is a good idea (just the term makes me wince).

Bob Dylan... so fucking what? Don't get it. Some stuff I don't get but I see the appeal. Not Bob.

The Clash were just middle class chancers making pop rock and are only so big because most people don't want to be challenged, but like the idea that they are. I say this as a fan of the clash! But the idea they were punk is bullshit... they were a pub rock band who pretended to be angry interested in politics and social issues because that's what constituted the latest fad at the time

A friend of mine once said that if Corrosion of Conformity had released "Load" instead of Metallica, it would be hailed as a classic - spot on. Not a massive fan of Load but it gets unfairly slagged

The Beatles = overrated. And before anyone (not that I have you lot pegged as bastards, but slagging the beatles usually gets a bad response) gets all pompous, tells me I am a bad person or stupid for not liking them and lectures me on how important they are to the development of pop music (really?! no shit. wow you must have watched television or read a paper at least once or twice to gain such an insight, I am in awe), I know - and I do like them. But for me the myth is as powerful as the music - that's why, when you say they are overrated, people always refer to the band's place in history rather than the music itself. they didn't invent beat pop, they didn't invent psychedelia, they didn't invent rock music or heavy metal... let it be!!!

Mastodon's drummer is so good he's shit - ditto Steve Vai. But only virginal bedroom guitar heroes stick up for Vai so maybe that's not so controversial

[aggroculture]

Bob Dylan=can't stand the man, though I get why he was influential/important.

The Beatles=not overrated at all. Best band ever in so many ways. It's the Rolling Stones I can't stand. They have a few good songs, but I just can't fucking stand them most of the time.

My controversial opinions:

Slayer=overrated as fuck.

Iron Maiden=ghastly, horrible band who rip off Queen without ever realizing that Freddy Mercury was having a laugh and not taking himself seriously. All music that descends from Iron Maiden (power metal) makes me cringe.

Stephen Malkmus=horrible.

Limp Bizkit=awesome.

[Sutekh]

oooo...

I will go out on a limb and say LB have an album's worth of good songs
I need a shower now

edit - TOOL! Never got it. Love APC but Tool sends me to sleep. Just don't get it... really feel like I should

I always hated Green Day but I quite like American Idiot & tbh it's a pretty coherent & a decent premise for a concept album. They still leave a bad taste in my mouth, but I can't deny i enjoyed that one

[Minpin]

Maynards voice sickens me, like I've literally got an aversion to it. Generally speaking my reaction to singers is either like or indifference, but theres something about Maynard's voice that irritates the shit out of me.

I love Bob Dylan, but having said that I do sometimes think Townes was better (totally that old controversial Steve Earle - stand on Bobs coffee table in his cowboy boots...) either way they are both phenomenal (as is Steve Earle )

[Harry Seaward]

TOOL! Never got it. Love APC but Tool sends me to sleep. Just don't get it... really feel like I should

Maynards voice sickens me, like I've literally got an aversion to it. Generally speaking my reaction to singers is either like or indifference, but theres something about Maynard's voice that irritates the shit out of me.

This is not the place for me.

[october_midnight]

Personally, I'd say that once you reach a certain age or understanding of music, a dislike of someone shouldn't be labeled as 'controversial'. To beat the dead horse some more...look at Marilyn Manson. Loved...L O V E D his earlier stuff but he let himself go and his work has blatantly suffered as result of it. Can't stand him now and often wonder how I could at one point. I chalk it up to being a teenager though, and am grateful that it was a gateway of sorts to better music.

Personally I can't stand Limp Bizkit but am fully aware that some people do. I always found the 'bro rock' bands to be cliche as hell but whatever floats your boat. Agreed on Slayer. Whereas I wouldn't say they're overrated, I can probably get through about 2 songs max before switching to something else. Also agreed on Iron Maiden. I get what they've done for metal but I can't get in to them.

[Sutekh]

Personally, I'd say that once you reach a certain age or understanding of music, a dislike of someone shouldn't be labeled as 'controversial'.

Aah...not sure if I've caught what you mean (hungover, foggy), but labelling something "controversial" doesn't necessarily betray a lack of insight or maturity - the intention of the thread isn't "list bands you hate"... If you dislike something widely hailed or love something similarly reviled, this typically stokes controversy - it has nothing to do with the maturity or knowledge of the person making the comment - the controversial value is dictated by how occasionally unable the public are to just accept a difference of opinion without calling into question how well informed the judgement is. The maturity of everyone else is the issue, in fact! Case in point - this is the ONLY place ON EARTH where I have slagged off the Beatles and people haven't pissed their pants and cast aspersions on my character

On the subject of our Brian... Eat Me Drink Me is better than anything after holy wood. The EMDM shows I saw were better than the Holy Wood shows too... shouldn't be true, but I can't lie to myself!

[Minpin]

Personally, I'd say that once you reach a certain age or understanding of music, a dislike of someone shouldn't be labeled as 'controversial'. To beat the dead horse some more...look at Marilyn Manson.

think you've totally missed the point, but outside of the Manson thread I really don't think hating on Manson would by any stretch be called controversial these days...

[Space Suicide]

Let's see...

I'll echo the initial poster's post on The Beatles to every letter in it.

I find U2 to be overrated junk that has a few good songs but it is mostly due to over hype by media. Sad thing is, I mostly blame their over hype on Bono.

I believe that when everyone jerks off to Metallica's yesteryears (aka Kill 'em All to ...And Justice for All) for being the best of the best I will slag you off. Every band in the 'Core Four' are way better than Metallica by a long shot (Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax).

Bob Dylan is a boring man to listen to. I appreciate and like his lyrical work but as for him performing songs...call me, I'll be asleep.

I fucking absolutely LOVE Tom Waits but let's face, the guy sucks at singing. He's fucking terrible. I love him though. <3

[october_midnight]

Again, it all depends on who you're talking to I guess...which was sort of my point. In the MM thread, saying you think he's terrible now could be 'controversial' but in a group of people who share the same opinion it'd be agreed upon. Maybe the more concise way to say what I was trying to get out was that in a medium such as music, disliking an artist for whatever reason, no matter how popular they are (i.e. The Beatles) isn't really controversial to me. Some people love them, some people can't stand them. I for one love Tom Waits, and the fact that he has such a beaten-down old man voice is part of the charm...he knows how he sounds and doesn't care. Some people can't stand him. I find neither opinion controversial.

[Minpin]

Again, it all depends on who you're talking to I guess...which was sort of my point. In the MM thread, saying you think he's terrible now could be 'controversial' but in a group of people who share the same opinion it'd be agreed upon. Maybe the more concise way to say what I was trying to get out was that in a medium such as music, disliking an artist for whatever reason, no matter how popular they are (i.e. The Beatles) isn't really controversial to me. Some people love them, some people can't stand them. I for one love Tom Waits, and the fact that he has such a beaten-down old man voice is part of the charm...he knows how he sounds and doesn't care. Some people can't stand him. I find neither opinion controversial.

for the purpose of this thread, think controversial in terms of going against a "general" consensus

EDIT: also why specifically music? From your reasoning doesn't sound like anything could be controversial...

[Sutekh]

The point is to ascertain some opinions on music you have that will inspire popular butthurt. You'll always find someone who has contrary feelings, not denying that possiblity, but rationally you have to acknowledge there are such things as popularly held opinions, and making statements that aren't aligned with those opinions will most likely stoke controversy. It's always fun to read people's insane opinions! Anthrax better than Metallica... I actually sucked air through my teeth when I read that! Good stuff

You know exactly what I mean now confess guilty pleasures and slaughter some sacred cows!

Pearl Jam were shit... also Chris Cornell is so phony it makes me cringe

Dunno if you guys know the Manic Street Preachers, but Know Your Enemy was one of their 3 best albums IMO. Absolutely baffled by its bad reputation, best thing they'd done since Holy Bible or Everything Must Go

[peter]

Tom Waits - I can "hear" why his music is appreciated, but it has never really touched me. Just some drunk growling to bad coumtry music.

Pink Floyd - In terms of songwriting and dynamics, nothing gets past them, but most of their music sounds so thin and distant, never really got it.

Ministry - Tried so many times to get into them, I don't know if it's Al's voice or their music, just doesn't happen.

Converge/Dillinger Escape Plan - Any --core music for me is gut music not "head" music.

[hobochic]

Morrissey & solo projects: It's shit, I don't like the man or the music, I've tried but never had an Aha-moment with it, any of it. If anyone has one of those Aha-moment songs to convert me, please try.

I saw him at Coachella 99 or 00 and got sick of his dandy-like stage persona taking off his shirt and twisting the sweat down on the dorks in the "pit". Disgusting. Convert me.

[aggroculture]

Tom Waits: can't stand him or understand what others see in him.

Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon is one of the most blah records ever. A snoozefest.

Dillinger: awesome. Converge: live great, on record a total bore. I literally get bored after a few minutes.

U2: They do have some great songs, but on the whole are totally overrated.

Metallica: I get that they were so influential etc, but I don't really care. I admit I liked the black album for a week in the early 90s, and I also admit that I sometimes hear old Metallica on the radio and go "hmm, that sounds alright." But for the most part I don't get Metallica worship at all, don't get what the all fuss is about. Seen them live and, whatever, neither bad nor good. I own Master of Puppets and every time I've listened to it it does absolutely nothing for me, it's just annoying. Hetfield's vocals are stupid and annoying. Maybe what I am hearing on the radio is ...And Justice for All.

Lou Reed: ugh.

Morrissey, on the other hand, I love: check these awesome numbers out:

[hobochic]

Morrissey, on the other hand, I love: check these awesome numbers out:

Thanks for trying to convert me. To be honest, I have to admit that "First of the gang to die" is an awesome song. I've heard it of course many times before and liked it, but it's probably the only song that I like by him. As for the other ones, I think the first one "the more you ignore me" is the reason for why i think Morrissey is a douche. It sounds like a toothpaste/dandruff jingle, and a bad one at that. The third one "the world" has that aura of something that sounds as if it might turn good at any moment, but it doesn't, at all. Major turnoff. The last one sounds like someones uncle taking karaoke lessons.

[Ryan]

Thanks for trying to convert me. To be honest, I have to admit that "First of the gang to die" is an awesome song. I've heard it of course many times before and liked it, but it's probably the only song that I like by him. As for the other ones, I think the first one "the more you ignore me" is the reason for why i think Morrissey is a douche. It sounds like a toothpaste/dandruff jingle, and a bad one at that. The third one "the world" has that aura of something that sounds as if it might turn good at any moment, but it doesn't, at all. Major turnoff. The last one sounds like someones uncle taking karaoke lessons.

I'm a huge Morrissey fan. If these ones don't float your boat you're a lost cause:

My Dearest Love:



Lost:



Life Is A Pigsty:



I'll Never Be Anybody's Hero Now:



Black Cloud:



Christian Dior:

[Space Suicide]

Ministry's ever popular "Jesus Built My Hotrod" is a terrible song and I don't really get how it has the praise it does.

Rammstein's 2001 album, Mutter, is terrible and doesn't have a good song on it. I don't like anything off or from it. Never bought it, never been in my library since my initial hearing and never will my opinion change.

[henryeatscereal]

Rammstein's 2001 album, Mutter, is terrible and doesn't have a good song on it. I don't like anything off or from it. Never bought it, never been in my library since my initial hearing and never will my opinion change.

Funny, i think the exact same thing about "Rosenrot", i just can't get into it...
"Mutter" is a bit mediocre at times but it's listenable compared to "Rosenrot", i think this one is the worst Rammstein release.
I also find "Reise Reise" extremely underrated!

[Conan The Barbarian]

Rammstein's 2001 album, Mutter, is terrible and doesn't have a good song on it. I don't like anything off or from it. Never bought it, never been in my library since my initial hearing and never will my opinion change.

You just broke my heart Space.

[GlitchyFlame]

Maynard's voice is the best part of Tool.

[Conan The Barbarian]

Maynard's voice is the best part of Tool.

Blasphemy!!!!

[GlitchyFlame]

808s - Yeezus > College Dropout - Graduation

I've never understood why Kanye's early production is so favored over the newer production on 808s onward. So much more powerful and unique.

[implanted_microchip]

808s - Yeezus > College Dropout - Graduation

I've never understood why Kanye's early production is so favored over the newer production on 808s onward. So much more powerful and unique.

I'm one of the more vocal fans on here of Kanye in general but I certainly prefer his most recent trio of albums to his early trio. Graduation actually goes toe to toe with 808s for me; I consider it an excellent record in its own right and you can really see that big transition about to happen. There's all of the fun and bombast there but that undercurrent of darker depth that really came to fruition on 808s, then devoured so much of Fantasy, and is pretty much the DNA for Yeezus. Yeezus is one of the most interesting sounding albums I've heard come out this decade. Probably my favorite of the 10's so far honestly. It's high up there at least.

I enjoy all of his work, but 808s on has a depth and power (ay-ay, ah-ah, ay-ay) that can't be argued with. I think I'm always a big fan of transitional albums for bands though so that might be why I'm so much bigger on Graduation than his first two albums out of that trilogy. Flashing Lights is perfection, man.

[clarktrent]

Unless the recording is especially muddy and noisy unmastered tracks almost always sound better than even lightly mastered tracks

[eversonpoe]

Unless the recording is especially muddy and noisy unmastered tracks almost always sound better than even lightly mastered tracks

yeah, i really like the approach steven wilson has used for the last few years (including with all the king crimson stuff he did) which is to make such a good mix that it doesn't need to be mastered.

that said, i got my last two albums mastered by a friend who a) uses a REALLY nice analog compressor and b) really knows what he's doing, and it made them both sound much better than i could have done on my own (because i don't have any outboard gear and only have VST plug-ins on which to rely).

[Necrodoommonkey]

John Lennon was overrated. Paul was the better singer/songwriter.
David Gilmour > Roger Waters
Tool and APC suck

[spegettiwestern]

I was really turned off by most of this thread because I love just about everything and have always had a really open mind, but looking at the last comment really made me think about just how much I really don't like Roger Waters material. Everyone knows his dad died in World War II I don't want to listen to decades of music about the same shit. I definitely really never got into his voice and truthfully I think The Wall is the least pleasing of all Floyd's material.

Gilmour is so much more impressive in a myriad of ways. I love Barrett-era Floyd, too, but Gilmour's writing and guitar work are the most penetrating pieces of the groups material, I think.


Also: I think it's universally agreed that Paul was always the most talented of the Beatles, however, John Lennon really made huge efforts to push the boundaries and develop sounds that were relatively obsolete in that era of music.

[Sutekh]

yeah "The Wall" stands alone... totally different to early kooky psych floyd and glacial 70s prog floyd. The first alternative rock album maybe? Some say first Waters solo album but I think it still has the vestiges of floyd

It really ruins me to say this... but really gone off floyd in recent years, hardly ever listen. And as a teen I was a maniac for it... I remember the first time I heard dark side from start to finish, i actually sat up until 10am listening to it... I could just close my eyes and frankly trip balls because the music fired my imagination and emotions so much

But now? Dunno... seems a bit ponderous and self-important. It galls me to write that, I wish things were different!

[BlueCalx]

Love this thread.

I think it's interesting, hobochic, that you're still seeking conversion after having seen most of what Morrissey has to offer and still not feeling it. I'm still a pretty big Morrissey fan, I've heard the vast majority of what he's published and, honestly, if you find the music uninteresting, you're totally correct. It's bland, pedestrian rock music as played by a band of middle-aged men who would be gigging at pubs and bar mitzvahs if not for their friendship with Moz, and it's a whole lot of Morrissey's love-it-or-hate-it personality. You're still trying, though, so you must be seeing some value in his music. I'll take a different tact in trying to convert you. People like Morrissey because, as a songwriter, he has a gift for writing lyrics that are broadly, deeply relatable while being vague enough to be open to vastly different interpretations. His songs are very rarely autobiographical, they're about wheelchair-bound geniuses, faded boxers, glamourous gangsters, British nationalists, guilt-ridden priests, and other compelling characters. He writes with an almost supernatural level of empathy, an empathy which is all the more interesting when seen in light of the man's surly, narcissistic personality. Morrissey is not dissimilar to the Jack Nicholson character in As Good As It Gets - a nasty, bitter little man who can only see all the beauty in the world through his art. If that paradox fascinates you, you'll get a lot of mileage out of Morrissey. If all you can see is the boring music and the vain prick singer, look elsewhere. The world's full of good music and Morrissey's got enough fans.