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    A friend played me a song by a band called Totemskin, where the song lasts for like 100 minutes featuring a melancholic breakdown in the middle with a girl (the lyrical self's ex-girl, I suppose) talking about their past relationship for what feels like 45 minutes. Then the shredding comes back in again with the singer sounding like Lord Krulos from the Dino Riders screaming something about hate and whatnot.

    I gathered that it's basically a song about being left by your girl and then screaming all types of hateful stuff at her. I'm baffled by this concept and the musical choices. Fuck that song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r_z View Post
    A friend played me a song by a band called Totemskin, where the song lasts for like 100 minutes featuring a melancholic breakdown in the middle with a girl (the lyrical self's ex-girl, I suppose) talking about their past relationship for what feels like 45 minutes. Then the shredding comes back in again with the singer sounding like Lord Krulos from the Dino Riders screaming something about hate and whatnot.

    I gathered that it's basically a song about being left by your girl and then screaming all types of hateful stuff at her. I'm baffled by this concept and the musical choices. Fuck that song.
    i thought you were being serious about the song being 100 minutes long and i just spent several minutes trying to find it in their discography. i've never heard them but at least one of their albums was put out by a (now defunct) label run by a really nice person, so i'm surprised that they seem to have such misogynistic leanings as you've described. what's the name of the song?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    what's the name of the song?
    Never heard of this band before. The song is most likely Seasons Don't Fear The Reaper, We Can Be Like They Are.



    The lyrics in the supposed 'hate' section at the end are "You made me happy" repeated ad nauseam.

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    Yeah I don't meant to portray them as misogynistic. The way that part is delivered just made it sound like a self righteous attempt at dealing with the end of a relationship. That's what bothered me.

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    Judas Priest lyrics are waaaaay better than Fleetwood Mac lyrics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLobster View Post
    Judas Priest lyrics are waaaaay better than Fleetwood Mac lyrics.
    what about when judas priest covers fleetwood mac?

    (i agree with you, btw)

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    what about when judas priest covers fleetwood mac?

    (i agree with you, btw)
    Then they, like Fleetwood Mac themselves, will rely more on the performance than the lyrical depth... which is fine. I mean, people seem to quite like Fleetwood Mac (but I do now wonder about the intoxication of the crowds watching them in the 70s)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLobster View Post
    Then they, like Fleetwood Mac themselves, will rely more on the performance than the lyrical depth... which is fine. I mean, people seem to quite like Fleetwood Mac (but I do now wonder about the intoxication of the crowds watching them in the 70s)....
    the first several times i heard "the green manalishi..." i had no idea it was a cover, nor did i have any idea that fleetwood mac existed in a form without buckingham & nicks.

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    This song is awesome. It's just too much fun not to like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GulDukat View Post
    This song is awesome. It's just too much fun not to like.
    It's cheesy, but it's a bonafide jam!

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    Taylor Swift going indie folk with the most overrated bore fest, Bon Iver is not what I want in Lockdown

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    AC/DC, are boring. I won't deny the music they make is well performed but a lot of it sounds the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLobster View Post
    AC/DC, are boring. I won't deny the music they make is well performed but a lot of it sounds the same.
    i hate that guy's voice so much, and i hate the guitar tones they use.

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    I forget which singer it is (maybe Bon Scott?) but he sounds like he's singing through gritted teeth. Always kept me from getting into them. That and one of my best friends in high school didn't like them so I didn't bother...peer pressure and no money, yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    I forget which singer it is (maybe Bon Scott?) but he sounds like he's singing through gritted teeth.
    Thing is, I don't think that even if they changed the singer (even to Mick Jagger), that the impact as a whole, that they have, wouldn't be there. And besides, you don't really want to know the lyrical content of "Mistress For Christmas" do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    i hate that guy's voice so much, and i hate the guitar tones they use.
    Maybe it sounds better after a flat of beer... (I know too many people around here who would listen to AC/DC this way...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLobster View Post
    Thing is, I don't think that even if they changed the singer (even to Mick Jagger), that the impact as a whole, that they have, wouldn't be there. And besides, you don't really want to know the lyrical content of "Mistress For Christmas" do you?
    They toured with Axl Rose and that actually sounded better.

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    Knocked Loose

    Can’t say I understand the hype. Not a super hardcore fan but even aside from that don’t get the mega hype rising this band gets. They’re good and listenable but ehhhh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    Knocked Loose

    Can’t say I understand the hype. Not a super hardcore fan but even aside from that don’t get the mega hype rising this band gets. They’re good and listenable but ehhhh.
    See them live.

    Here's my IG post from seeing them at Webster Hall last year. Place went off for an hour straight. Listen with headphones if possible.

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    As far as Frank Ocean goes—channel ORANGE is a WAY better record than Blonde. I feel like the anticipation for that record fed into its hype and "legacy" as a modern classic now.

    Hell, I even think nostalgia/ultra is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    See them live.

    Here's my IG post from seeing them at Webster Hall last year. Place went off for an hour straight. Listen with headphones if possible.

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    They are bananas live man. So good.

    counting worms in a live setting is dangerous lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefragile_jake View Post
    As far as Frank Ocean goes—channel ORANGE is a WAY better record than Blonde. I feel like the anticipation for that record fed into its hype and "legacy" as a modern classic now.

    Hell, I even think nostalgia/ultra is better.
    I will punch your houseplants. I will pee in your cats' litterpans.

    I kid. But wow. That is one hot goddamned take to me.

    Channel Orange is spectacular. Spec-fucking-tacular. Blonde is better. It's Kid A in scope and importance (although superior to that record in quality and less significant, probably, in terms of reach). I know a lot of people were eagerly awaiting Boys Don't Cry or whatever it would become, but I was not. Blonde was an unanticipated surprise to me so I, at least, am unaffected by that factor.

    Channel Orange
    was a stellar record that broke rules, broke ground, and sounded great. Blonde was an intentional bucking of everything, of good will, of aesthetic, and a striking out on one's own artistic terms. And if I were to continue the comparison, it was also a hell of a lot ballsier for Frank Ocean to drop that than it was for Radiohead to release Kid A. But you certainly can't dance to a lot of it. And it doesn't groove the same way. So, I 100% accept anyone anyone's personal preference for either record, though I think a much stronger artistic merit case can be made for Blonde.

    I won't even allow Nostalgia Ultra into the discussion (though it's better than 90% of the records in its genre).

    My hot take on Frank Ocean is that I've never been able to get into Endless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesquipedalism View Post
    It's Kid A in scope and importance (although superior to that record in quality
    to this I just say.... absolutely no... come on. Really? I'm lost man. Kid A is probably overrated generally, but nooooooooooooooooooooooo

    Maybe I gotta relisten to Blonde, but... this feels like we probably won't agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    to this I just say.... absolutely no... come on. Really? I'm lost man. Kid A is probably overrated generally, but nooooooooooooooooooooooo

    Maybe I gotta relisten to Blonde, but... this feels like we probably won't agree
    Consider where both performers were after Orange and Computer, respectively, and how easily they could have just conquered everything. Then they dropped records that were utterly unexpected and completely defiant. The way you have to wait until track six of Kid A for anything approaching a traditional Radiohead bop was the first thing I thought of when, on Blonde, a singer who absolutely doesn't need autotune and who had people drooling for years didn't give the audience his real voice for most of the opening track. Blonde is an R&B record that has large swaths of drumlessness. 75% of it is unsuited for club play without serious remixing and the club was a place where Frank Ocean got a lot of play.

    You should definitely give Blonde another listen. Maybe you won't dig it—ironically, I like Amnesiac exponentially more than Kid A (which I also think is overrated). But a tremendous spirit of "fuck commerce, fuck anything other than the art I want to do" is definitely shared by both records.

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    I also think I prefer Amnesiac to Kid A, and I was probably getting at that idea more than anything when i say kid a is overrated; it’s an incredible album, but I think even they’ve surpassed it. I listened to some of Blonde again; it’s good.

    EDIT: maybe “overrated” isn’t the right word...

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    i like a lot of nu metal

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    i like a lot of nu metal
    Same. I'm sure nostalgia plays a huge role in that, despite what I tell myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesquipedalism View Post
    I will punch your houseplants. I will pee in your cats' litterpans.

    I kid. But wow. That is one hot goddamned take to me.

    Channel Orange is spectacular. Spec-fucking-tacular. Blonde is better. It's Kid A in scope and importance (although superior to that record in quality and less significant, probably, in terms of reach). I know a lot of people were eagerly awaiting Boys Don't Cry or whatever it would become, but I was not. Blonde was an unanticipated surprise to me so I, at least, am unaffected by that factor.

    Channel Orange
    was a stellar record that broke rules, broke ground, and sounded great. Blonde was an intentional bucking of everything, of good will, of aesthetic, and a striking out on one's own artistic terms. And if I were to continue the comparison, it was also a hell of a lot ballsier for Frank Ocean to drop that than it was for Radiohead to release Kid A. But you certainly can't dance to a lot of it. And it doesn't groove the same way. So, I 100% accept anyone anyone's personal preference for either record, though I think a much stronger artistic merit case can be made for Blonde.

    I won't even allow Nostalgia Ultra into the discussion (though it's better than 90% of the records in its genre).

    My hot take on Frank Ocean is that I've never been able to get into Endless.
    I feel ya on that. I applaud him for making Blonde and the risks he took in releasing something a bit more abstract/moody compared to the bombastic vibes Orange provided ... but the songs just aren't there for me and the aesthetic/mood isn't there either. Which honestly, is a shame because I am usually all in for something a bit more experimental and left field from an artist, but still sounding like it's in their wheelhouse—Xiu Xiu's Girl With a Basket of Fruit for example.

    I don't think we'll get another feel good record like Orange/Ultra from Ocean again ... and honestly, after last night's tragic news about the passing of his younger brother from a car accident, he may not return to music for awhile. I wouldn't blame him. Hope he's doing okay.

    Also I'm right there with you, I listened to Endless maybe twice and never revisited.

    SIDE NOTE—Kid A is one of the most important records in my entire life.

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    I made a special trip to Walmart to get their exclusive pressing of Creeds greatest hits on vinyl the other day.

    Fucking psyched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony.parente View Post
    I made a special trip to Walmart to get their exclusive pressing of Creeds greatest hits on vinyl the other day.

    Fucking psyched.


    Scott Stapp's tribute to the Florida Marlins is a classic.

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