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    Quote Originally Posted by kleiner352 View Post
    It’s easy to run the risk of being too reverent and never pushing any boundaries or trying new things. Sex Pistols formed when one saw another wearing a shirt that said Pink Floyd Sucks. The greats who were actually great will survive whatever disrespect younger newer artists throw at them and if the new ones suck they’ll he forgotten and if they’ve got something to offer then they’ll have their place. I’ve never seen the point in getting too defensive of people who don’t need defending.
    I'm gonna pick nits, here: The Sex Pistols were formed by Malcolm McLaren as a fashionable money-making scheme and not as a reaction to Lydon's snotty homemade t-shirt. By that point, Punk had already been well-established in NYC and it had inspired McClaren (particularly Richard Hell and Television).

    So, really, the Sex Pistols, under the direction of impresario McLaren, attempted to make some money in the U.K. out of what had already been established in NYC.

    Sorry, I'm an old punk. These things matter to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    Ok so this isn't about MY controversial music opinion; rather, controversial music opinions being flung all over the hip hop world.
    There is a frightening trend of these young sound cloud rappers dissing Tupac. And a lot of these kids are fucking TERRIBLE. Lil Xan is one. But the one who took it a step too far is 03 Greedo. When asked about Tupac, he sent shockwaves around the hip hop world by calling him a bitch ass nigga. " Now I understand that some of these kids might not like boom bap, just, period, and might not really be aware of some of it. I guess it's kind of like punk rockers disparaging led zep and pink floyd. But jesus, saying that Pac is a PUNK is kind of unbelievable.
    I mean, jesus. Dude was shot five times, he was born in a fucking prison, his family was Black Panthers and, I mean, he's fucking Tupac. Oh, and he's DEAD. I bet these kids wouldn't say shit about Hova or Nas. They DAMN sure wouldn't say that shit about Pac if he was alive to defend himself unless they wanted beef where they might actually get shot at.
    On the other hand, it's a brilliant marketing move. I'd never heard of 03 Greedo before this, and now I've listened to several of his songs and here I am telling you guys about him.
    What do you guys think about this? I know a lot of NIN fans are hip hoppers. About half the music I've listened to in my day has been hip hop and I still stay pretty plugged in to the culture. And what's happening to it is kind of concerning to me. @bobbie solo , what do you think of this? @mfte ? @Krazy ? @imail742 ? @RhettButler ?
    I'd REALLY like to get the opinion of some younger people. I wonder what people under thirty think of this.
    I agree with Bobbie Solo- never heard of them (thereís probably a reason- cuz they suck) nor will I ever give them a listen click on YT or whatever. Itís defin for exposure, but time will tell if it has any impact. If I were one of those fuckers Iíd be scared to say anything out of fear some shoots or kills me. But thatís their choice.

    And yeah, Tupac is a legendary rapper. Also Iím in my 40ís now so donít count this as what someone under 30 thinks. :P

    Since weíre on the subject of controversial rap opinions, Iím of the thinking itís kind of like rock- as in its dead. Newer hip hop/rap doesnít do much for me. There isnít one rapper thatís interesting. A couple years back I decided to buy Kendrickís To Pimp A Butterfly CD from the strong responses it got. And... nothing. Not one song did anything for me. The only thing I noticed from it was how often he decided to use ďn***aĒ in his vocabulary lol. He just seemed to drop the word just to drop it, like a go-to when you canít think of a lyric.

    Meh, Iím getting old. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    I agree with Bobbie Solo- never heard of them (there’s probably a reason- cuz they suck) nor will I ever give them a listen click on YT or whatever. It’s defin for exposure, but time will tell if it has any impact. If I were one of those fuckers I’d be scared to say anything out of fear some shoots or kills me. But that’s their choice.

    And yeah, Tupac is a legendary rapper. Also I’m in my 40’s now so don’t count this as what someone under 30 thinks. :P

    Since we’re on the subject of controversial rap opinions, I’m of the thinking it’s kind of like rock- as in its dead. Newer hip hop/rap doesn’t do much for me. There isn’t one rapper that’s interesting. A couple years back I decided to buy Kendrick’s To Pimp A Butterfly CD from the strong responses it got. And... nothing. Not one song did anything for me. The only thing I noticed from it was how often he decided to use “n***a” in his vocabulary lol. He just seemed to drop the word just to drop it, like a go-to when you can’t think of a lyric.

    Meh, I’m getting old. :/
    Dude. It's getting BAAAAAAAAD. Like ABSOLUTELY no talent bad.
    These kids all have tattoos on their faces and are called "Lil" something. And it's like they just buy a trap beat and fucking mumble over it.

    One of these kids that dissed pac was in california got mobbed by 20 people the other day wanting to beat his ass, haha, and he CALLED THE COPS. Real tough guy.
    @Krazy , rap isn't dead, it's just evolved to the point where it's un-fucking-recognizable.
    What's dead is like the boom bap sound and the image of the rapper that we grew up with.

    But hip hop is actually the most popular type of music now. Thing is, I wouldn't consider 90 percent of it to be the same fucking GENRE as the shit we grew up with. There's also the issue of authenticity.

    Like fucking "Rick Ross." When it became common knowledge that A.) dude stole his name from an ACTUAL drug dealer, and B.) he worked as a fucking CO, our generation would have eaten him alive. that would have been the end of his fucking career.
    But kids these days don't care. I'm not sure why.
    And now, even Rick Ross is old news.

    It's this mumble rap bullshit dominating the uhhhh...airwaves...actually they mostly listen to it on youtube i think.

    And Kendrick is actually an exception. Kendrick is at least fucking recognizably RAPPING and has talent and shit.
    It may just have to do with age. Like, i think kendrick is really bad ass but haven't, you know, taken to it like i did Outkast and such. But then, i was a teenager.

    But yeah, i'm a fucking hip hopper and i'm 38 and the only newish rappers that i'm into are like Tyler the Creator, Earl Sweatshirt, Joey Badass (thx to @Bobie solo ) and Chance the Rapper. (edit: and Gho$temane.)

    There is just a massive generation gap i think. In fact, we probably sound like our parent's generation bitching about NIN and MM and shit, hahaha.
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    Cardi B is fun for a commercial rapper. At least she's actually rapping, and having a good time with it all. Doesn't take herself too seriously (see the Bruno Mars feature we've all heard plenty, which is refreshing.



    I also like most of what A$AP Mob does. They are a group of younger rappers that usually don't have a "boom bap" sound (sometimes they do though), but I still like the lane they've carved out with a contemporary sound to most of their stuff.

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    the only thing about DJ KHALID that i enjoy is his need to say his name in every song he's in like he is a pokemon...its fucking hilarious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryalex12 View Post
    the only thing about DJ KHALID that i enjoy is his need to say his name in every song he's in like he is a pokemon...its fucking hilarious
    He comes off like a comical cartoon character. Too ridiculous and stupid to take seriously. Fun to laugh at and feel better about myself as a person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    Ok so this isn't about MY controversial music opinion; rather, controversial music opinions being flung all over the hip hop world.
    There is a frightening trend of these young sound cloud rappers dissing Tupac. And a lot of these kids are fucking TERRIBLE. Lil Xan is one. But the one who took it a step too far is 03 Greedo. When asked about Tupac, he sent shockwaves around the hip hop world by calling him a bitch ass nigga. " Now I understand that some of these kids might not like boom bap, just, period, and might not really be aware of some of it. I guess it's kind of like punk rockers disparaging led zep and pink floyd. But jesus, saying that Pac is a PUNK is kind of unbelievable.
    I mean, jesus. Dude was shot five times, he was born in a fucking prison, his family was Black Panthers and, I mean, he's fucking Tupac. Oh, and he's DEAD. I bet these kids wouldn't say shit about Hova or Nas. They DAMN sure wouldn't say that shit about Pac if he was alive to defend himself unless they wanted beef where they might actually get shot at.
    On the other hand, it's a brilliant marketing move. I'd never heard of 03 Greedo before this, and now I've listened to several of his songs and here I am telling you guys about him.
    What do you guys think about this? I know a lot of NIN fans are hip hoppers. About half the music I've listened to in my day has been hip hop and I still stay pretty plugged in to the culture. And what's happening to it is kind of concerning to me. @bobbie solo , what do you think of this? @mfte ? @Krazy ? @imail742 ? @RhettButler ?
    I'd REALLY like to get the opinion of some younger people. I wonder what people under thirty think of this.
    Young people these days I tell ya.

    I remember when Odd Future first came out and they were being compared to Wu Tang and Tyler would go off how WuTang are old ass fuck, they're not like them, and this and that. How you can say something bad about the Clan is seriously beyond me. To be compared out of the gate to a crew of some of the best rappers EVER and then say "fuck all that" is asinine. On one hand I think that young rappers making these comments about my rap heroes are punks that should study their history and have some respect. On the other hand hiphop has always been a very competitive and braggadocios sport. So I get where a young rapper being a few generations removed from the Tupacs and the Biggies might find it easy to talk shit in order to try and set them selves apart from what came before them. Im pretty sure Lil Xan has been more influenced by the sound of his microwave heating up his pizza pocket than any historically relevant rapper.

    DJ Vlad is kind of a tool but her gets good guest. I remember Inspectah Deck talking about the Odd Future situation a while back and how they approached Tyler about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mfte View Post
    Im pretty sure Lil Xan has been more influenced by the sound of his microwave heating up his pizza pocket than any historically relevant rapper.
    hahaha this makes my fucking day.
    fucking Lil' Xan. He calls himself Lil' Xan because he was on xanax for 2 years. and now he has tattoos on his face about it.

    i'm not exactly proud of this, but i have a feeling that if this kid tried to keep up with ME in terms of drugs and alcohol (especially in my 20's), he would be DEAD.
    And i don't have any tattoos about it at all, much less on my FACE.

    Point being that this kid is a fucking POSEUR.

    I forgive Hov for rapping about when he used to sell crack rocks, but at least he used to SELL CRACK ROCKS and shoot guns and shit. That's different from taking quad bars for 2 years. I ate all the quad bars i could find, as well as pretty much any other drug you can imagine, for TEN years. and that wasn't even the rough part, hahaha. the rough part was the liquor.
    Maybe i should start a band where i sing about THAT shit?
    I'm sure some of you will see this as disgusting bragging, but i'm not trying to brag. the point is that taking fucking xanax for two years, is a wack ass thing on which to base your whole image. in fact, i find it OFFENSIVE in a way, because of the struggles that i went through.

    Obviously i'm not Lil Xan's target audience. I guess if you're thirteen, then being on xanax seems pretty hardcore.

    I have a lot more respect for Lil' Peep. He was rolling like i used to and fucking sang about how he was gonna die from it and people thought he was kidding. But he wasn't, and he DID die from it. i'm not saying that this is a GOOD thing, but at least he was fucking authentic and his emo drug bullshit was serious.

    Ok, rant over.

    So here's something else i've been wondering about. How many of you guys are aware of/dig Gho$temane?
    He is by far my favorite rapper of this NEW new generation (the soundcloud generation.) It's kind of like Bone Thugs by way of Crowley, with a hardcore/metal twist.
    Dude is white, with long hair, and he admittedly just got into hip hop. He produces most of his own music and the drum kits and guitars are samples of him playing.

    his voice is kind of nasaly, but if you can get past that and appreciate hip hop and, hahaha, EVIL, you might dig it.

    I would imagine that my love for Gho$temane is a controversial music opinion.



    "it's eleven degrees and i can see my breath so i'm sure i'm breathing/but i got no pulse and i swear to Thelema that my heart ain't beating"
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    The Disturbed cover of “The Sound of Silence” is light years ahead of Johnny Cash’s cover of “Hurt.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachy View Post
    The Disturbed cover of “The Sound of Silence” is light years ahead of Johnny Cash’s cover of “Hurt.”

    It's a good cover ill give you that. But that hurt cover hurts.

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    I feel like I'm the only one who really didn't like that cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pillfred View Post
    It's a good cover ill give you that. But that hurt cover hurts.
    wait, seriously?

    man i fucking love that song, and trent's cover of it is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    wait, seriously?

    man i fucking love that song, and trent's cover of it is great.
    Yes.

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    No disrespect (even though Reznor said it himself) but I never could stand when people said Cash’s Hurt was better, more emotional and “his song now” when it comes up.

    It’s good don’t get me wrong but doesn’t transcend the conclusion of The Downward Spiral.

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    Personal opinion: Cash’s Hurt, the song, is terrible. The video however is incredibly powerful. For me it depends on if you see it l or hear it.

    I can’t say that about many videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    No disrespect (even though Reznor said it himself) but I never could stand when people said Cash’s Hurt was better, more emotional and “his song now” when it comes up.

    It’s good don’t get me wrong but doesn’t transcend the conclusion of The Downward Spiral.
    I feel the same. No one ever talk about the original. Its always Cash's version...never the originals. It pisses me off.

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    Y'all people shittin' on Johnny Cash make my soul weep.

    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    I feel like I'm the only one who really didn't like that cover.
    Fuck Disturbed. Droppin' plates!

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    I don't have a problem with cash. But cash unintentionally made the original pretty much obsolete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Personal opinion: Cash’s Hurt, the song, is terrible. The video however is incredibly powerful. For me it depends on if you see it l or hear it.

    I can’t say that about many videos.
    see i don't think it's TERRIBLE, but it isn't mind blowing either.

    but paired with the video, it becomes something else altogether. that video is fucking heart wrenching.

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    I like with William DuVall-era of AIC as much as the Layne Staley-era.

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    I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but I'm just being honest. I first heard Metallica when I was 16 and I found them too serious. They were the hardest band for me to get into. They weren't fun like Kiss and Van Halen. A lot of Metallica's songs have some really heavy themes. I used to think their lyricists were depressed or bipolar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryalex12 View Post
    I don't have a problem with cash. But cash unintentionally made the original pretty much obsolete
    I don't feel that way about "Hurt", i love both NIN's and Cash versions, but i do feel that way about his cover for "Personal Jesus", to me Cash IMPROVED so much that song and this is coming from someone who loves Depeche Mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhettButler View Post
    I like with William DuVall-era of AIC as much as the Layne Staley-era.
    Thank you. There is nothing wrong with Will and he does a fine job

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryeatscereal View Post
    I don't feel that way about "Hurt", i love both NIN's and Cash versions, but i do feel that way about his cover for "Personal Jesus", to me Cash IMPROVED so much that song and this is coming from someone who loves Depeche Mode.

    I find his take on Personal Jesus too "Cash by the numbers", to be honest. I just like it, nothing more. I even prefer the acoustic version DM themselves recorded as a b-side.

    Hurt is much more interesting, and I really like it, but nevertheless count me among those who are fed up with all this "he owns the song now" nonsense. Each to his own, but I find that view almost insulting.
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    they often try way too hard and sometimes it's complexity just for the sake of complexity, but i think the guys in fall out boy write decent lyrics.

    also "sugar, we're going down" is still a lot of fun to sing along to in the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boots View Post
    I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but I'm just being honest. I first heard Metallica when I was 16 and I found them too serious. They were the hardest band for me to get into. They weren't fun like Kiss and Van Halen. A lot of Metallica's songs have some really heavy themes. I used to think their lyricists were depressed or bipolar.
    Fair enough, and can respect the opinion. However I do have to ask how you got into NIN if you found Metallica’s lyrics on the darker side of writing?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
    they often try way too hard and sometimes it's complexity just for the sake of complexity, but i think the guys in fall out boy write decent lyrics.

    also "sugar, we're going down" is still a lot of fun to sing along to in the car.
    Fall Out Boy are a great band, very underrated, but I haven't really listened to their last releases.

    More broadly early 00s emo style seems really cringey to me at the moment, and I feel that I don't want to revisit those bands right now. I don't think the style has aged well, all that smug irony and misogyny is not a good look these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhettbutler View Post
    i like with william duvall-era of aic as much as the layne staley-era.
    blasphemous!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shunt View Post
    I find his take on Personal Jesus too "Cash by the numbers", to be honest. I just like it, nothing more. I even prefer the acoustic version DM themselves recorded as a b-side.

    Hurt is much more interesting, and I really like it, but nevertheless count me among those who are fed up with all this "he owns the song now" nonsense. Each to his own, but I find that view almost insulting.
    I agree it's "Cash by the numbers", that's why i like it, for some reason his voice works so much better with the song, i know DM already did the "acoustic approach", but Cash one feels better with the "bluesy approach"; it's just a matter of taste.

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