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http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/mus...0430-g71h.html
Tracklisting:
The Future Is Now
Secrets from the Underground
Days Go By
Turning Into You
Hurting As One
Cruising California (Bumpin' In My Trunk)
All I Have Left Is You
OC Guns
Dirty Magic
I Wanna Secret Family (With You)
Dividing By Zero
Slim Pickens Does the Right Thing And Rides The Bomb To Hell
House Always Wins
Heard the new single on the radio, wasn't impressed. Americana was the only album I ever enjoyed anything off of and that was a meager 2 to 3 songs at most. Haven't really listened in years, not really my thing. I find Holland's vocals to be bad most of the time; don't care for his voice or his style of flow.
Only By Night
New single is meh... Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace could have been really really good, but it pretty much flops after track 4. Americana all the way.
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Pre-Americana Offspring was so good. It pains me to hear crap like this being released.
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"Days Go By" sounds a lot like the Foo Fighters' "Times Like These" to me.
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Yeah, "days go by" is pure crap.
Obviously the Offspring have changed their sound signifigantly since their glory punk days, and it's without a doubt that some of their earlier material from SMASH and IXNAY are the best they've done, but I felt really good things from this band when Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace came out. I thought that was the best album they did since Americana. I actually stopped listeneing to them after Americana because they got all super-pop radio friendly with crap like "Hit That" and "Original Prankster".
But yeah, after hearing Rise and Fall, I actually fell in love with this band again, and thought they were on the road for a really good comeback. Then I heard "Days Go By" and that just reminds me of the pop-crap they were doing in the early to mid 2000's. I mean, it is a single, and it's supposed to cater to the general public as much as possible, so I will still hold out a little bit of hope that there are 1 or 2 really good classic Offspring sounding songs on the new record.
My faviourte song from rise and fall was "Stuff is Messed up" I just love the way how he literally pokes fun tounge and cheek style that the whole world is obsessed with complete rubbish, and that's what makes the world go round these days, finding out the latest celebrity trends, and it's disgusting.
ALSO: way to recycle song names. When I saw that tracklisting I could have sworn they already had a song named "Dirty Magic" But I just brushed it asside and thought I was going crazy... But i'm not! It was bugging me so much, I took a look, and yeah they already have a song named "Dirty Magic" on their album Ignition
Wow, so at this stage in their career, they had to create a song named after another song... good going Dexter. I'm already unimpressed. Unless it's a remake of that song... hmm... Dirty Magic 2012 version?
Last edited by ManBurning; 05-01-2012 at 01:45 PM.
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Offspring have some good pop songs. And some fucking terrible ones. I've never warmed to the way this band rips off other bands without batting an eyelid (Get A Job=The Beatles Obla Di Obla Da).
But then they turn around and knock one out the park (Hit That is awesome).
Smash always seemed a total Nirvana rip-off to me. I never understood who the millions of people buying that record were. Or Dookie, for that matter.
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Offspring have always kind of sucked. This new song is no different. In middle school I did like Americana and Conspiracy of One, but I can't listen to those any longer, haven't even bothered with the last two records they've put out and "Days Go By" ain't no different, sounds like a shitty late 90's call and response douchebag song.
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I always liked Gone Away but that California Crusin song is awful
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I much preferred Dookie than Smash. Looking back at it now, that whole punk revival was silly. Punk has now become too wimpy for my taste. I started disliking the Offspring because of that "Pretty Fly (For A White Guy)" song. My sister played that song to death and it annoyed the fuck out of me.Originally Posted by aggroculture
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When I played in a shitty punk band for a few years, I found I really had a penchant for fast, fast music, but I couldn't put my finger on why. I came across Smash a few years ago, and it all made sense. That was actually the second CD I owned (The 1st was the soundtrack to the Ninja Turtles movie. Yup.), a gift for my 15th birthday from a friend on the local BBS. I forgot how high tempo all those tracks were. I discovered Nine Inch Nails later that year, and fell away from anything else on the radio, listening to NIN and going to local punk shows. I never bought another Offspring album, but Smash happened at just the right time for me, and holds a special spot in my heart.
It's hokey at points, juvenile at others, but there weren't any gimmicks at that point. Yeah, "Come Out and Play" stood out on that album as being different, but it wasn't goofy for the sake of being goofy. There's some seriously angsty shit on that CD though, when you're 15 years old.
I haven't much paid attention to Offspring after that album though. I don't know if I can blame the guys for following the smell of money and making obvious radio-grab songs on all their follow-up albums. If Robert Rodriguez does Spy Kids to finance things like Once Upon a Time in Mexico and Sin City, I'm not going to hold that against him.
Green Day was probably the overall better band of the two - because boy was it Green Day vs Offspring back then - but Offspring was, to me, more 'punk'. You're never going to hear about a Broadway Musical based on an Offspring album.
If you think "punk" now is wimpy, you've lost the trail - you're not listening to punk.
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Green Day and Offspring seem to have played the same purpose for the past 15 years as gateways to punk music. I used to fuck with Green Day in middle and high school, but through them I started listening to older punk bands who Billie and the gang would namedrop in interviews, pretty sure Offspring fans did the same thing. You won't catch me listening to either band these days, but I suppose they played a part in my development. At least when Green Day evolved they wrote some fine pop songs, evident on American Idiot which was the best and worst thing to happen to that band. Green Day are now in RHCP/Coldplay/U2 territory as huge acts who will continue to live off the goodwill of their back catalog and sell out arenas for the rest of their careers. Offspring...well, keep fighting the good fight. Seems to be the consensus that after Smash, nobody gave a shit about them.
Levi, can't imagine you in a punk band!
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As a punk from the 70s and having been to Max's Kansas City in 1979 (muahaha), one might expect me to come in here and slag these bands as not being Real Punk or whatever.
But I'm not gonna. It's fun punk
And what was more fucking fun than the RAMONES? Or even THE STOOGES? Come on, that was FUN!! They had an album called FUN HOUSE!
OR THE DICKIES? Jesus H. Christ, if you don't know the Dickies, you don't know punk. The Dickies were FUN!
Anyway, yeah, the Offspring has some catchy tunes for sure. (Green Day, too!)
Last edited by allegro; 05-02-2012 at 11:13 PM.
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You know who's not fun? The band Fun.
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Anyway, back on topic, if you're gonna talk punk, you gotta reference the Ramones (FUN!) and they had songs that lasted, like, 30 seconds each. Ever see them in their heyday? No? 40 songs in one hour, no shit. And it was FUN! Ain't nothing more "wimpy" than fun.
Fast songs is prototype punk which evolved into a whole lot of other stuff. But, every band / artist has its day in the sun and then the sun fades. That's life in the music biz. Not to be all Deepak Choprah or whatever, but it's pretty hard to keep on churning out hits when the audience's tastes keep changing and maybe you only had 5 good hits in you, anyway, that's all of your creative capabilities. Very few music artists are Mozart for Christ sake.
I don't know dick about the Offspring beyond Smash so I'm not trolling, I'm just putting my 2 cents in as an Old Punk Rock Girl. Punk was a bunch of losers with instruments they didn't know how to play, hanging out in NYC and doing drugs and having fun playing music with two chords. So sitting around talking about the merits of an alleged "punk" album or punk being wimpy or not defeats its original purpose, ya dig?
Last edited by allegro; 05-03-2012 at 08:27 AM.
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"Fast" and "Fun" doesn't always equate to great music. I dig The Ramones, but in the end, a good majority of their songs follow a similar formula. I like The Stooges, but I ffel they had more substance in the fact that there were elements of proto-metal, and even psych-rock in their music.
I'm sure The Offspring have some good tunes they've written since Smash, but judging by the two songs I've heard off this album as well as what I used to listen to in middle school and their singles, I hardly see anything in them that says that they've remotely evolved as a band. Still songs with smart aleck tones, irony, us against the world mentality, and lost youth.
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proto-metal and psych-rock. I'm sure that'd be really amusing to the Stooges. Whatever the fuck it means. "Great" music is a relative term, and punk (or the Stooges) never set out to be "great."
Ultimately, a band's gotta pay the bills and make a living, and the Offspring appears to be no exception. We have a 400-page Manson thread if you wanna talk about artists repeating a formula. At some point, the artist / band has to venture into new territory (and piss off a bunch of fans) or stay in the same territory (and bore a bunch of everybody) so it's apparently a no-win situation.
"Gateway to punk" implies, to me, that this is the watered-down version but wait till you get to the hard stuff, like pot being a gateway to heroin (according to Ronald Reagan).
Last edited by allegro; 05-03-2012 at 08:25 AM.
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I honestly think you're just disagreeing with me just to disagree but whatever.
If you listen to The Stooges, there's elements of metal in them in the same way that bands like Sabbath and Zeppelin utilized to make careers out of, not saying they're a metal band or even responsible for it, but I do think they were an extremely heavy band as well as "the" punk band at the time. I also think there's several songs (Death Trip, Dirt, Fun House, 1970, and We Will Fail) specifically that showcase a psychadellic side to the band as well. I'm not saying The Stooges never set out to be great, hadn't even implied that, but the reason I think they're great is because they were doing a shit load of genre bending (whether they knew it or not) and still made their music cohesive and seemingly timeless. I'm sure it wasn't their intention because they seemed like a bunch of guys who just did whatever they wanted, but not just for their time, but now I think they're an extraordinary band for what they are.
Punk never meant to be great and most bands couldn't give a shit to what some 23 year old has to say about it as a whole, but there are legitimately great bands to come out of the punk scene even though it was and is the furthest thing from their mind.
The thing with The Offspring is they lack any desire it seems. All the fans who were coping up everything up until Americana grew older and out of that phase and the band didn't. Hell, they may have regressed, but it doesn't hurt to change a little. I'll use the Green Day example again, where they decided to make a "rock-opera" and along with their punk vibe, wrote some pop songs, ballads, and and even a few rock songs and actually made a good album until the majority of those songs got played to death, give me about five years and I'm sure I'll still have an appreciation for it. The Offspring go in and do the same thing seemingly and that's why they get ridiculed by former fans and people who haven't given a shit about them in over a decade. Sure a band has to pay some bills, but I'm willing to bet these guys don't have to worry too much about money considering they've always had a consistently strong fanbase. Yeah, it's a no-win situation, but I can at least respect a band for trying even if their music sucks.
And yeah I said these bands were a gateway to punk music, so fucking what? I'm sure you'll find plenty of kinds in their 20's and near 30's that bought shit like Dookie and Smash and loved those albums and found "real" or other punk bands becuase their first exposure was these bands (now it seems to have morphed into a Warped Tour state, but I won't begin to get into that). Do you honestly think kids just pick up copies of Fun House or Nevermind the Bollocks when they're eight or nine? No, they probably latch on to these pop-punk bands and develop from there.
I may not have the same punk aesthetic you did, considering you grew up with the scene in its infant stages, but the scene has changed quite a bit since then, and while I'm sure some of the mainstay ideas are still there, it's probably not nearly as the same as you'd like it to be, but it's fine. I mean, we can at least accept and respect a little bit of change, for better or worse right?
Last edited by Kid Charlemagne; 05-03-2012 at 01:11 AM.
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If you you're using american idiot as a reference for the way punk bands should go you're obviously quite young, I mean to me greenday were already past their peak by then, It may have made shitloads of money but creatively speaking I think warning is as far as they're ever really going to go, writing a poppy ballard isn't experimenting its going hey i'm in my late 30s/40s and i'm still fucking broke, let's see if we can actually make some real money off this thing. Because the more time you spend in the music industry the more you realise, there are so few bands that ever really make money off what they do.
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NOFX, now that's a fun punk band.
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Green Day have always been appalling... Offspring have a few good songs
I never really liked the whole 90s US punk thing... it just sounds like ninja turtles going to the skate park on a sunny day... too bright & breezy, I thought punk was about alienation, anger... Leftover Crack is proper punk in my book, as well as the classic 77 and HC bands. Also Refused were/are great
I think I was the only person that liked Amen? classified as metal by a lot of people, but to me it sounded like a poppy version of Refused with a Henry Rollins soundalike on vocals
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Isn't it a sin in the GnR universe to be a fan of The Offspring??
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Haven't heard the single but I'll give the new record a shot, Rage and Grace had a few quality songs on it but the rest was pretty much crap. I saw them the summer after that album released and they played "Kristy are you doing ok?", I couldn't fucking believe it, that is one of the worst songs on that album and they chose to play it. Made no sense. Most of their stuff since Americana has been pretty iffy, I quite liked Splinter but Conspiracy of One was pretty shitty. Smash and Ixnay are two of my favorite albums to this day.
That is pretty ridiculous. Dirty Magic is a pretty awesome song, I guess they're just figuring that nobody even remembers Ignition, or it is just a remake of it which would be ridiculous in itself.
Last edited by kdrcraig; 05-04-2012 at 09:21 AM.
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In no way am I even seeing that Green Day should be a benchmark for what punk should be, in fact that's the furthest they should be. As far as these two bands go, linked by their time in the limelight, I applaud Green Day's effort to branch out a little and I feel that their career hasn't stalled nearly as much as The Offspring who've been doing the same damn thing for fifteen years.
Money or not, does it even matter? I thought punk rock was against making money hand over fist? Be that as it may, neither band shares this idea whatsoever.
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No i don't think punk rock was ever against making money, seeing as the sex pistol's was one of the biggest bits of deliberate design to MAKE money. Not to mention most of the original UK punks were poor, many of them squatters, they may have been talking about being anti-money etc but much was said for shock value, not to mention many of them were very young shoved in front of interviewers trying to get them to say inflammatory things. Most of them would have dreamed of making a living off touring even just an escape especially in england where they were going through a recession, with widespread rioting and striking (If we're talking first generation punks)
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^I didn't mean to facepalm that post, I couldn't see my iPhone without my glasses.
Punk was never intentionally "about" any particular theme, the "alienation and anger" was something else, like maybe post hardcore or whatever the fuck other catchy marketing tag that the label dicks dreamed up at the time.
Edit: Contrary to popular belief, Fugazi and straight edge isn't "punk.". Bad Brains was something that developed later into that Black Flag hardcore which is when I'd lost interest (all that beating the shit out of each other on the dance floor was too testosterone-driven for me, and slam-dancing in the old days was fun and didnt hurt). Fugazi came after that, and I think that's when the Ian "we don't want to make money" thing came in. I mean, the Ramones and the Dictators would've loved to get money.
Last edited by allegro; 05-04-2012 at 12:50 PM.
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Man, when Smash came out in middle school, that was nuts. Offspring was everywhere. I was even in the Offspring camp in the Vs. Greenday debate. I got into them, bought the earlier albums, loved Ixnay, was impressed that their major label debut was so punk. Americana was poppier but still great. "Pay The Man" was awesome in its own way, strange epic long song. I even enjoyed Conspiracy of One, thought it had some great tracks. I lost interest after that. "Hit That" seemed awful to my ears.
Like many here, Rage & Grace showed potential to make a comeback. Some pop garbage, but also some great promise of relevancy and spark. I haven't heard the new song but now I'm afraid to. And yes, recycling Ignition song "Dirty Magic" is a strange as hell choice. Remember when they remade "Beheaded" for the Idle Hands soundtrack? More polished sure, but nowhere as good as the original from their first album (self-titled).
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Can't stand Green Day but American Idiot is the only album of theirs I can tolerate... because it's very slick & catchy, it's like they finally cut the crap and just admitted they're an aspirant arena rock anthems outfit, and the sound benefited from the lack of pretenses to maintain (that and a stolen johnny cash melody)
My mrs is horrified by all this btw
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Hey ho, let's go
(Go go go! ) turn up the beat, yeah
(Oh oh oh! ) I wanna feel it
(California) don't you wish that you could come
Cause we're never going home till the summer's all gone
Summer time, living's easy
Cruising, bumping, my huntington beach
Cause the sun will shine
We have a good time
They all line up for a bump and grind
And the girl that you want is directly out in front
And she's waving her caboose at you
You sneeze achoo
She calls you out and boom!
I know you heard that bass bumpin' in my trunk
Bum-bumpin' in my trunk, bum-bumpin' in my trunk (oh yeah)
I know you heard that bass bumpin' in my trunk (uh huh)
Bum-bumpin' in my trunk (uh huh), bum-bumpin' in my trunk (let's go)
(Go go go! ) turn up the beat, yeah
(Oh oh oh! ) I wanna feel it
(California) don't you wish that you could come
Cause we're never going home till the summer's all gone
The sun goes down, the friepit's leep
It's another summer night here in the oc
Well I know a baller but I do have an impala
And I might say 'hey' but I'll never say 'holla'
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/o/offspri..._21017674.html ]
The girl with the glass and a g-string just like a floss
Well she's waving her caboose at you
I bet you do
She calls you out (uh huh)
I know you heard that bass bumpin' in my trunk (uh huh)
Bum-bumpin' in my trunk (uh huh), bum-bumpin' in my trunk (bump that truck)
I know you heard that bass bumpin' in my trunk (uh huh)
Bum-bumpin' in my trunk (uh huh) bum-bumpin' in my trunk (let's go)
(Go go go! ) turn up the beat, yeah
(Oh oh oh! ) I wanna feel it
(California) don't you wish that you could come
With the radio on, plays it all summer long
(Go go go! ) you're all I'm breakin'
(Oh oh oh! ) my friends are drinkin'
(California) don't you wish that you could come
Cause we're never going home till the summer's all gone
(California)
(California)
I know you heard that bass bumpin' in my trunk (uh huh)
Bum-bumpin' in my trunk (uh huh), bum-bumpin' in my trunk (hey ho, let's
Go)
(Go go go! ) turn up the beat, yeah
(Oh oh oh! ) I wanna feel it
(California) don't you wish that you could come
With the radio on, plays it all summer long
(Go go go! ) you're all I'm breakin'
(Oh oh oh! ) my friends are drinkin'
(California) don't you wish that you could come
Cause we're never going home till the summer's all gone
(California) don't you wish that you could come
Cause we're never going home till the summer's all gone
House Always Wins
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