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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    I was browsing a reputable record shop today (one of the few remaining) and discovered a copy of NIN & David Bowie: Back In Anger. It claims the source is from a 'live FM radio broadcast'. Discogs lists it as 'unofficial'.

    They also had another one called Under Pressure, which cuts out almost the entirety of NIN's set.

    Are these repackaged bootlegs, or are they properly remastered soundboard recordings?
    Bootlegs. Even FYE sells them.

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    Thanks. I guess I now know to steer clear of them. Weird that they're showing up in high street stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    I was browsing a reputable record shop today (one of the few remaining) and discovered a copy of NIN & David Bowie: Back In Anger. It claims the source is from a 'live FM radio broadcast'. Discogs lists it as 'unofficial'.

    They also had another one called Under Pressure, which cuts out almost the entirety of NIN's set.

    Are these repackaged bootlegs, or are they properly remastered soundboard recordings?
    All those retail bootlegs are just copies of this mono soundboard recording:

    http://ninlive.com/shows/1995/19951011.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBang View Post
    All those retail bootlegs are just copies of this mono soundboard recording:

    http://ninlive.com/shows/1995/19951011.html

    why tf are they appearing on some streaming services as official releases though

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    Quote Originally Posted by StockAvuryah View Post
    why tf are they appearing on some streaming services as official releases though
    Because bootleggers learned how to imitate official releases better? This looks a bit more real than the 90s silver CDs
    https://www.discogs.com/label/777136-Sonic-Boom-5
    https://www.discogs.com/label/996124-Zip-City
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    As I understand it, there is a loophole in European Union copyright laws whereby live performances that were broadcast to the public enter the public domain under certain conditions. I don't really understand the finer points of it, but that allows labels without any affiliation or approval of the artists to release these concerts themselves. So, while NIN and Bowie's estate make no money whatsoever from these releases -- other than a mechanical song performance fee? Again, not sure of the finer points here -- they are technically not illegal (in some markets, anyhow) to sell.

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    Legality aside, anyone made a comparison on the overall quality of those releases to help make decision in "worth buying?" sense? Some people here pick up every version in the market, after all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenAkenobi View Post
    Legality aside, anyone made a comparison on the overall quality of those releases to help make decision in "worth buying?" sense? Some people here pick up every version in the market, after all...
    They are all sourced from that soundboard recording linked earlier, so there is no "better" quality to be found on them. Just download the original for free from ninlive.com. Don't buy the bootlegs, unless you're interested in the physical product itself for some reason.

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    You can reiterate "don't buy" over and over, we know all this and i don't plan to buy anytime soon... Should have clarified. Maybe in a sense of "diamond among coal". You know, how there are sometimes bootlegs that have just the right amount of presentation and capture the moment in history unlike official release? For example, D. Bowie and his "Live in Santa Monica '72" that the label ignored for many years but finally adopted for a legit release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBang View Post
    They are all sourced from that soundboard recording linked earlier, so there is no "better" quality to be found on them. Just download the original for free from ninlive.com. Don't buy the bootlegs, unless you're interested in the physical product itself for some reason.
    It's safe to say that some of those older bootlegs (the pressed CDs) aren't even from the DAT master. That wasn't shared until 2009, I believe.

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    Why don't more bands, like NIN, record their shows and make them available for purchase/download.

    Or better yet print download codes onto the tickets and concert goers can download a free copy of the show they attended. Added value!

    I mean, how hard is it for the sound techs to hit record. Save as flac/mp3. Zip. Upload to NIN.COM/LIVE.


    Pearl Jam does it!


    https://pearljam.com/shop/music/bootlegs

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    Quote Originally Posted by snaapz View Post
    Why don't more bands, like NIN, record their shows and make them available for purchase/download.
    I believe Trent has mentioned in the past that he wants to control the quality of live releases, and that some performances just haven't been up to snuff for various reasons (technical issues, band fatigue, etc). I'm sure that's why he's had open taping policies in the past, because then it's entirely in the hands of the fans, and no money has to be exchanged, so no one can feel ripped off if a performance doesn't 100% meet their expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snaapz View Post
    Why don't more bands, like NIN, record their shows and make them available for purchase/download.
    I imagine for NIN, part of the obstacle for doing it on the scale of Pearl Jam is the song rights being split across Bicycle Music, Universal, and Null Corp.

    Another issue might be the fact that for some tours, the setlists are identical or near-identical from show to show. It's not like Pearl Jam where every single show is different.

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    Remember a while ago @kraw said that the artwork for the trilogy would all make sense once they all came out or something like that?

    I’m really curious to know what those scratch marks that appear on all three EPs are meant to represent, if anything.

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    Maybe someone changed his mind again.

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    Does Trent really own (or used to own) the Strawberry Fields Forever mellotron? Or was it just the same type of mellotron the Beatles used? And what song was it used on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by butter_hole View Post
    Does Trent really own (or used to own) the Strawberry Fields Forever mellotron? Or was it just the same type of mellotron the Beatles used? And what song was it used on?
    according to ninwiki:

    On this EP, there are louder mixes and more distortion on every instrument, including a classic Mellotron MKIV (originally owned by John Lennon), which can be heard most noticeably on the track "Gave Up".
    also according to ninwiki, a mellotron was used on the downward spiral and the fragile, as well as (if memory serves) pretty extensively on antichrist superstar. couldn't tell you exactly which songs on TDS or the fragile without listening through again, but i know it's in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    I believe Trent has mentioned in the past that he wants to control the quality of live releases,
    A perfect way to control the quality of live releases is by filming a bunch of shows and sitting on the footage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by butter_hole View Post
    Does Trent really own (or used to own) the Strawberry Fields Forever mellotron? Or was it just the same type of mellotron the Beatles used? And what song was it used on?
    It was owned by Ted Field, but Jimmy Iovine got him to loan it to Trent for a few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butter_hole View Post
    Does Trent really own (or used to own) the Strawberry Fields Forever mellotron? Or was it just the same type of mellotron the Beatles used? And what song was it used on?
    The M400 was not released until 1970, so while it may have been owned by John Lennon, it was not used on any recordings for The Beatles. The "Strawberry Fields" mellotron is a MKII.

    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    also according to ninwiki, a mellotron was used on the downward spiral and the fragile, as well as (if memory serves) pretty extensively on antichrist superstar. couldn't tell you exactly which songs on TDS or the fragile without listening through again, but i know it's in there.
    The mellotron is the flute sound on "The Downward Spiral", and it can be heard during the bridge of "The Fragile".

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    Why aren't the definitive editions on Spotify?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volband View Post
    Why aren't the definitive editions on Spotify?
    Agree. Don't understand why TR wouldn't want to make this available to everyone (expect downloads from wherever).

    Also, Deviations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volband View Post
    Why aren't the definitive editions on Spotify?
    as far as i remember, the digital versions were only available to those who purchased the vinyl, similar to deviations.

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    Did Ghosts get pulled from Spotify?

    Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubeninphoenix View Post
    Did Ghosts get pulled from Spotify?

    Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

    Yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volband View Post
    Why aren't the definitive editions on Spotify?
    To keep them exclusive/ special. I'm only guessing here.

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    Spotify sounds like fucking shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Spotify sounds like fucking shit.
    Are the DEs on any digital service?

    Speaking of digital services, and totally random here, I got an email from Sirius XM saying next weekend is free (for those that have it in your car but are not currently subscribed.)
    Last edited by nmitchell86; 11-24-2019 at 10:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Spotify sounds like fucking shit.
    it's 100% fine for background music or listening in the car. but if i want to actively listen to music? yeah, no, not using spotify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmitchell86 View Post
    Are the DEs on any digital service?

    Speaking of digital services, and totally random here, I got an email from Sirius XM saying next weekend is free (for those that have it in your car but are not currently subscribed.)
    Side note: the built-in Sirius for cars is pretty snazzy and I can't find one like that for install aftermarket. is there a reason for that? Or do I suck at searching?

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