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    Did Trent contribute to the lyrics in Mantra or just musically? I find it interesting that he sings "I will find a way" and then releases Find My Way a few months later (I'm aware that FMW was probably finished a long time before this coincidence though).

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    They are such unique lyrics, there gots to be a connection between Mantra and FMW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by r_z View Post
    They are such unique lyrics, there gots to be a connection between Mantra and FMW!
    Just like there's got to be a connection between Black Bomb and Year Zero? :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    Just like there's got to be a connection between Black Bomb and Year Zero? :P
    Nine Inch Nails is Trent Wink.

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    Is With Teeth actually more popular than The Fragile?

    I also don't know that many Nine Inch Nails fans in real life, but when it comes to actually discussing albums from Pretty Hate Machine to With Teeth, I often hear more conversations about Pretty Hate Machine, The Downward Spiral, and With Teeth. Broken and The Fragile don't seem to be discussed as much. I was just wondering as such conversations sometimes end up a lot differently in real life.

    I'm at least aware that Broken and The Fragile are immensely adored by many on both ETS and NIN.com, though.
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    With Teeth has more singles that people remember, is way more accessible and actually has the band name on the front, so yeah, I think it's more popular

    Plus, you know, it's better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    With Teeth has more singles that people remember, is way more accessible and actually has the band name on the front, so yeah, I think it's more popular

    Plus, you know, it's better...
    Contrarian alert!!!!! Next you'll be telling us that ghosts is the best NIN album! ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    With Teeth has more singles that people remember, is way more accessible and actually has the band name on the front, so yeah, I think it's more popular
    Is that also the case with Pretty Hate Machine and Broken? (With Pretty Hate Machine being more accessible than Broken, that is, even if Pretty Hate Machine went out of print several times.)

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    Plus, you know, it's better...
    That's definitely a first for me. Did you by any chance mention that in the Controversial Nine Inch Nails opinions thread yet? Oh well, to each their own, as I'd always say these days anyway.

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    What are the notes Trent plays on keys during disappointed in recent times? They sound familiar but I don't get which song I've heard them before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Is With Teeth actually more popular than The Fragile?

    I also don't know that many Nine Inch Nails fans in real life, but when it comes to actually discussing albums from Pretty Hate Machine to With Teeth, I often hear more conversations about Pretty Hate Machine, The Downward Spiral, and With Teeth. Broken and The Fragile don't seem to be discussed as much. I was just wondering as such conversations sometimes end up a lot differently in real life.

    I'm at least aware that Broken and The Fragile are immensely adored by many on both ETS and NIN.com, though.
    Fragile is adored by the real NIN fan, WT is adored by the poser fan who wants hit singles...Kinda like a real Cure fan will namedrop Pornography and Faith and the poser will namedrop 'friday im in love' or 'just like heaven'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Is that also the case with Pretty Hate Machine and Broken? (With Pretty Hate Machine being more accessible than Broken, that is, even if Pretty Hate Machine went out of print several times.)
    Those albums may be more generally accessible and have more memorable singles, but they have the negative (in terms of popularity) of being much older. Maybe even more significant than the number of years since they came out is the fact that they're pre-TDS and (debatably) prior to NIN defining the NIN "sound". That's all just speculation, though.

    I don't like saying which albums are "better" or ranking them, but I probably like WT more than TF. (I like Ghosts better than both of them, though.)

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    Is the Purest Feeling demo with Slate intro etc, the demo that Trent says he gave out to several labels and got him a deal with TVT?

    One thing I'm interested to know is, what was it that made Steve Gottlieb go from signing Trent to saying the record was 'an abortion' because to my mind the changes made from demo to what we know now turned PHM from a fun 80s cd to being actually timeless

    I'm also curious about why Trent chose TVT when according to that Fader interview with his ex girlfriend who worked with Atlantic, they were at least willing to meet with him??? His signing with TVT seems very hasty to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    That's definitely a first for me. Did you by any chance mention that in the Controversial Nine Inch Nails opinions thread yet? Oh well, to each their own, as I'd always say these days anyway.
    I know many people who think WT is the best, therefore many who'd agree that it's better than The Fragile, so I don't see it as TOO controversial.
    Quote Originally Posted by billpulsipher View Post
    Fragile is adored by the real NIN fan, WT is adored by the poser fan who wants hit singles...Kinda like a real Cure fan will namedrop Pornography and Faith and the poser will namedrop 'friday im in love' or 'just like heaven'
    I got called a poseur (well, poser) by bill, now my life is complete
    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    Is the Purest Feeling demo with Slate intro etc, the demo that Trent says he gave out to several labels and got him a deal with TVT?
    As far as anyone knows, it must be. Trent didn't release it, or at least has never stated or implied that he released it, and the original bootleg states the recording at the place where Trent was cleaning and recording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billpulsipher View Post
    Fragile is adored by the real NIN fan, WT is adored by the poser fan who wants hit singles...Kinda like a real Cure fan will namedrop Pornography and Faith and the poser will namedrop 'friday im in love' or 'just like heaven'
    All the Love in the World, Love Is Not Enough, Sunspots, The Line Begins to Blur, Beside You in Time and Right Where It Belongs all stand really fantastically amongst a lot of other NIN material, even songs off of the Fragile. I myself have always had an on-again off-again relationship with With Teeth, but overall at the end of the day it's highly listenable and still contains a lot of great things that are worth going back to. If anything the fact that it's a more stripped down sound is a great benefit to it, because it keeps it from feeling like an attempt to be any previous NIN record and lets it speak as its own album.

    And Bill, there's no such thing as "real fans," or "poser fans," I can't imagine anyone trying to pretend to love NIN, it's not like they're the most popular band on planet Earth where everyone is judged based on their appreciation of them or not. And even then, if someone enjoys the NIN songs they've heard, they're a casual fan and that's fine. Besides, why do records need to compete? Fragile is a totally different album from With Teeth and that's a very good thing, acting like you have to pick one or the other is ridiculous. The Fragile might be my favorite NIN album, but I absolutely listen to With Teeth more often, simply because I think most would agree that you have to be in a certain mood with lots of free time to focus in on a nearly 2 hour long double album of some of the most layered and dense music TR has ever released, while you can throw W_T on and enjoy it, be done with it and still do other things. I think it's a wonderful thing that there are albums in the NIN discography that can serve different purposes for listeners and offer different experiences.

    And you know, I actually got into NIN because of With Teeth, and if it weren't for that album it wouldn't been probably a whole lot longer before I ended up discovering them. I remember seeing the album cover and just finding something about it appealing, it was cheap and I picked it up and ever since I've been hooked. That album, accessible and "NIN Light" as you may see it, allows a lot of people to have a gateway into NIN that then lets them find things like TDS, Broken, TF, etc. and not be intimidated by the scope and scale of NIN. And you know, I own nearly every Halo, several variants of some, got the standard, deluxe and vinyl editions of HM, own numerous shirts, posters and have been to one show and am planning on 2 more this year and use ETS every single day; I'd consider myself a "real NIN fan" if we're going to get into those terms, and I still find WT to be an ultimately wonderful and enjoyable album.

    I mean honestly, big fucking deal that you don't like Only or The Hand That Feeds, sorry that BYiT doesn't do it for you, but it does for a lot of folks and what's wrong with something that allows more people to enjoy something we all love?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billpulsipher View Post
    Fragile is adored by the real NIN fan, WT is adored by the poser fan who wants hit singles...Kinda like a real Cure fan will namedrop Pornography and Faith and the poser will namedrop 'friday im in love' or 'just like heaven'
    Lol at the comparison. Pornography and Faith are way too commercial. The REAL fans would not only say 17 seconds, but won't have LISTENED to anything released since either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    One thing I'm interested to know is, what was it that made Steve Gottlieb go from signing Trent to saying the record was 'an abortion' because to my mind the changes made from demo to what we know now turned PHM from a fun 80s cd to being actually timeless
    The demo sounds like early period depeche mode, which is/was solid gold to record execs at the time. PHM really strips back the synth pop. I think gottlieb was picturing legions of screaming girls like DM had for fans, and PHM didn't evoke that image at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmtd View Post
    Lol at the comparison. Pornography and Faith are way too commercial. The REAL fans would not only say 17 seconds, but won't have LISTENED to anything released since either.
    Pornography is commercial? so 7 minute dirgey songs with distorted guitar and lyrics about suicide and death are passing for commercial?...Robert Smith's sole purpose for that album was to put out the noisiest/non commercial album he could think of..you might be mistaking Pornography for Lovecats

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    I know many people who think WT is the best, therefore many who'd agree that it's better than The Fragile, so I don't see it as TOO controversial.
    I suppose I haven't seen the love for With Teeth that much ever since lurking ETS since 2005. I got so used to seeing The Fragile being lauded the most, and Year Zero being preferred over With Teeth. Anyway, it's nice to learn new things about the fan-base. For instance, I thought The Fragile was also the first album to receive the most speculation and criticism, but that's been happening since Pretty Hate Machine and Broken. I'm actually pleasantly surprised, as I got used to seeing With Teeth being passed off as a weak moment for NIN. (It's still one of my favorite post-Fragile albums anyway. I even appreciate it a lot more now, than when it first came out.)

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    I got called a poseur (well, poser) by bill, now my life is complete
    That's also among some of the other things that I thought I'd never live to see on ETS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billpulsipher View Post
    Pornography is commercial? so 7 minute dirgey songs with distorted guitar and lyrics about suicide and death are passing for commercial?...Robert Smith's sole purpose for that album was to put out the noisiest/non commercial album he could think of..you might be mistaking Pornography for Lovecats
    Whatever his intention for pornography it is more commercial than seventeen seconds. Yes, 7 minute dirges are commercial compared to minimalist soundscapes that cut off abruptly after 52 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billpulsipher View Post
    Fragile is adored by the real NIN fan, WT is adored by the poser fan who wants hit singles...Kinda like a real Cure fan will namedrop Pornography and Faith and the poser will namedrop 'friday im in love' or 'just like heaven'
    Can't I adore both? I adore both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billpulsipher View Post
    Pornography is commercial? so 7 minute dirgey songs with distorted guitar and lyrics about suicide and death are passing for commercial?...Robert Smith's sole purpose for that album was to put out the noisiest/non commercial album he could think of..you might be mistaking Pornography for Lovecats
    my two favorite cure albums are pornography and japanese whispers. yeah, that's right, one of my favorite cure albums is a SINGLES COLLECTION. and i even own it on vinyl, i like it so much.

    how dare you diss lovecats.

    oh, bill, i really wish you were a troll and not so genuine in all of your opinions...

    on point: i really think that comparing the fragile to with teeth is almost like comparing two different bands. they're both great, and i love them both, but they're only related by the fact that the same guy made them. they don't SOUND anything alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    my two favorite cure albums are pornography and japanese whispers. yeah, that's right, one of my favorite cure albums is a SINGLES COLLECTION. and i even own it on vinyl, i like it so much.

    how dare you diss lovecats.

    oh, bill, i really wish you were a troll and not so genuine in all of your opinions...

    on point: i really think that comparing the fragile to with teeth is almost like comparing two different bands. they're both great, and i love them both, but they're only related by the fact that the same guy made them. they don't SOUND anything alike.
    Robert himself has stated Japanese Whispers was a "stupid pop album" and that half those songs were done as a joke....I even remember him saying the biggest mistake of his career was to release it one year after Pornography..It doesnt mean its a bad album, because he likes to play it live.

    for the record, I am not saying WT or Japanese Whispers are bad....but they both were commercial followups aimed at the mainstream....and both were the followups to very arty, non commercial albums that are adored by the hardcore fanbase

    In Bowie perspectives, saying WT is your fav NIN album or JW is your fav Cure album is like saying Lets dance or Tonight is your fav Bowie album...the hardcore DB fan will go to Low or Scary Monsters, etc and roll their eyes at you....INCLUDING TRENT who has stated many times how he loves Berlin era and hates DBs 80s output

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    Can you show me where he said he hates anything Bowie's done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Can you show me where he said he hates anything Bowie's done?
    There's a quote "I wish bowie was killed in a car crash after Low" which has been misattributed to morrisey, Robert smith and Trent reznor. Although I could have sworn I've read an interview with smith saying something similar.

    Anyway I'm quite pleased my successful troll (always in two minds about such things) resulted in an analogy of an analogy... We're two levels down at Bowie now. How far can we go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post

    on point: i really think that comparing the fragile to with teeth is almost like comparing two different bands. they're both great, and i love them both, but they're only related by the fact that the same guy made them. they don't SOUND anything alike.
    I agree, not enough is made of how different these eras of NIN are, it really is like two totally different bands. Trents personality shift was so radical, in the intermission years between 2001-2005, its not the same person at all, NIN 2005 onwards, Its sort of like you know how with Pink Floyd they were around for like 30 years every decade it was like a totally different band and NIN 2005 onwards is like when they got rid of Roger Waters and released Momentary Lapse of Reason after The Wall, (but better) the dark nihillism was gone, the epic scale was toned down, Roger Waters overbearingly bleak personality was not there.
    The Fragile has a totally different production style that has not been replicated since. The Downward Spiral and The Fragile both took years to make. I suppose NIN was more spontaneous and direct in later years, mostly the word 'stripped down' define later era NIN. whether it be in an electronic format with Year Zero or a rock format like With Teeth.
    I like some of With Teeth it sounds a lot better now to be than it did at the time and there is something i like about the stripped down punkish lo-fi, tone of some of the songs like Getting Smaller and The Collector. And his later material like the Slip.
    But for me personally i prefer the UNASHAMED, BIG. EPIC. HOLY MASTERPIECE, CINEMATIC Nine Inch Nails sounds, i dont think there is any material on With Teeth that comes close to Into the Void, The Mark has Been Made, The Fragile, Were in this Together, Please, Day the World Went Away.
    Trent recently said last fall that he thinks The Fragile is the best thing he has ever done.

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    Well, for one, Trent says a lot of things. Second, you guys seem to overtly interpret everything he says.

    Also, TDS is as different from TF as is WT from YZ, so the follow up to TF would have sounded different no matter what, musically that is.

    Then you have the lyrics. And they've always been a bit of the same, no "radical shift" to be found here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleiner352 View Post
    All the Love in the World, Love Is Not Enough, Sunspots, The Line Begins to Blur, Beside You in Time and Right Where It Belongs all stand really fantastically amongst a lot of other NIN material, even songs off of the Fragile. I myself have always had an on-again off-again relationship with With Teeth, but overall at the end of the day it's highly listenable and still contains a lot of great things that are worth going back to. If anything the fact that it's a more stripped down sound is a great benefit to it, because it keeps it from feeling like an attempt to be any previous NIN record and lets it speak as its own album.
    I've actually looked at With Teeth that way too. I'd also include Every Day Is Exactly The Same into the list. Those also happen to be most of my favorite songs from With Teeth.

    Quote Originally Posted by kleiner352 View Post
    And Bill, there's no such thing as "real fans," or "poser fans," I can't imagine anyone trying to pretend to love NIN, it's not like they're the most popular band on planet Earth where everyone is judged based on their appreciation of them or not. And even then, if someone enjoys the NIN songs they've heard, they're a casual fan and that's fine.
    I feel bad for admitting this, but I suppose this thread could do, but I've used to mix up casual fans with the very idea of what poseurs would be back in my teens and early 20s. I'm just thankful and glad that I know better now.

    Quote Originally Posted by kleiner352 View Post
    Besides, why do records need to compete? Fragile is a totally different album from With Teeth and that's a very good thing, acting like you have to pick one or the other is ridiculous. The Fragile might be my favorite NIN album, but I absolutely listen to With Teeth more often, simply because I think most would agree that you have to be in a certain mood with lots of free time to focus in on a nearly 2 hour long double album of some of the most layered and dense music TR has ever released, while you can throw W_T on and enjoy it, be done with it and still do other things. I think it's a wonderful thing that there are albums in the NIN discography that can serve different purposes for listeners and offer different experiences.
    I'd even recommend a new fan to check out With Teeth before The Fragile at this point of time. I also get similar vibes with both albums though, but I suppose it's bound to happen from time to time as they're both done by Nine Inch Nails. (Each album will always have that NIN sound, that can always be heard in every album, even if it's for just a few seconds here and there.) There's also nothing wrong with liking one or the other either. I know you weren't addressing me, but I'd completely agree with you there.

    Quote Originally Posted by kleiner352 View Post
    And you know, I actually got into NIN because of With Teeth, and if it weren't for that album it wouldn't been probably a whole lot longer before I ended up discovering them. I remember seeing the album cover and just finding something about it appealing, it was cheap and I picked it up and ever since I've been hooked. That album, accessible and "NIN Light" as you may see it, allows a lot of people to have a gateway into NIN that then lets them find things like TDS, Broken, TF, etc. and not be intimidated by the scope and scale of NIN. And you know, I own nearly every Halo, several variants of some, got the standard, deluxe and vinyl editions of HM, own numerous shirts, posters and have been to one show and am planning on 2 more this year and use ETS every single day; I'd consider myself a "real NIN fan" if we're going to get into those terms, and I still find WT to be an ultimately wonderful and enjoyable album.

    I mean honestly, big fucking deal that you don't like Only or The Hand That Feeds, sorry that BYiT doesn't do it for you, but it does for a lot of folks and what's wrong with something that allows more people to enjoy something we all love?
    And those are all the reasons why I'd also think it would sometimes be nicer to introduce new fans to With Teeth way before Broken, The Downward Spiral, and The Fragile. Anyway, I just couldn't help but noticed how good your points were, and I just wanted to share what I thought about it.

    As for an actual question to contribute to this topic, and I forgot if I've asked this before, so please bear with me.

    Is there a Gatorade commercial with Down In It on it, or a sound that was sort of similar to Down In It?

    I've been searching Gatorade commercials on YouTube circa 1990-1992, but I still didn't find any. Was it just a rumor? (My memory is really failing me right now.)

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    Was there ever a reason given why remix.nin stopped being supported by Trent? I'm always disappointing when I go on there and see no new added content for Hesitation Marks or no news in general.

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    ^^
    Rob has stated that the site is a slow outdated mess by now and probably needs to be completely revamped. (I doubt it ever will be).

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    That site's navigation has always been a fucking nightmare, it's shocking that it was ever put out with that design in the first place.

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