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    How many times was MOTP played in the middle of the set?

    October 07, 1994, Universal City, CA, Universal Amphitheatre

    Setlist
    Pinion
    Terrible Lie
    Sin
    Mr. Self Destruct
    Something I Can Never Have
    Closer
    Reptile
    Gave Up
    March of the Pigs
    Eraser
    Hurt
    The Downward Spiral
    Wish
    Burn
    The Only Time
    Down In It
    Head Like a Hole
    Dead Souls
    Suck
    Help Me I'm In Hell
    Happiness In Slavery

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeegrizzle View Post
    Looks pretty much just like this one

    this one?

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    this is so wrong at all levels :P

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    Have NIN ever done isolated live performances? Like a TV/award show or festival appearance while not on a tour cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sipblog View Post
    Not sure if anyone caught that HITFIX article in which Trent mentions he's going to be involved with something for the next several years... Do you guys think he may be scoring that new David Fincher tv show, Utopia? Fincher has said he will be directing the entire first season. Just a thought.
    Wouldn't be surprised. The original score for the UK show sounded quite TR inspired...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastentrance View Post
    Have NIN ever done isolated live performances? Like a TV/award show or festival appearance while not on a tour cycle?
    CRC, Bridge School Benefit, Katrina Benefit - oddly, it always seems to be acoustic. But it's rare for ANY artist to do standalone major shows when not on tour, shows are expensive and so labels like to squeeze them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastentrance View Post
    Wouldn't be surprised. The original score for the UK show sounded quite TR inspired...
    Yeah it did, but maybe that would be too obvious for TR and AR to do it then. If they do something vastly different then I wouldn't complain.

    It would be cool if Fincher got Aphex Twin but that's just a weird idea I had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastentrance View Post
    Wouldn't be surprised. The original score for the UK show sounded quite TR inspired...
    I loved the score, but it didn't remind me Trent at all to be honest. I thought it was quite its own thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by poro765 View Post

    this one?
    LOL YESSS!! My friend showed me that Ariel Pink one, so now I have to show him this... Yea pretty ridiculous. Thank you!

    Edit: Looks like it could use a little update too
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    Surely even bill would agree, entry level NIN should be With Teeth or even The Slip, just because they're SO accessible

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    Surely even bill would agree, entry level NIN should be With Teeth or even The Slip, just because they're SO accessible
    Either WT or TDS for me. TDS has Closer, Hurt and MotP songs casual fans would probably know

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    Quote Originally Posted by icecream View Post
    Either WT or TDS for me. TDS has Closer, Hurt and MotP songs casual fans would probably know
    Yeah, but you have to get through Mr Self Destruct right at the beginning which is pretty off-putting if you're not used to it. It still blows my mind that that was the album that took them mainstream, just weird

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    Yeah, but you have to get through Mr Self Destruct right at the beginning which is pretty off-putting if you're not used to it. It still blows my mind that that was the album that took them mainstream, just weird
    Haha absolutely. It put me off the first time I heard it.

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    I don't think WT/TS is the way to show the *best* albums, but just the easiest access

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    There's definitely not a doubt in my mind that Hesitation Marks is the new "entry point" to recommend to non-fans. From there, depending on what they like, it could go in any direction... but HM is 100% the new starting point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howdidislipinto View Post
    There's definitely not a doubt in my mind that Hesitation Marks is the new "entry point" to recommend to non-fans. From there, depending on what they like, it could go in any direction... but HM is 100% the new starting point.
    Absolutely. This is what happened to me.

    I hadn't previously been into 'rock' or 'industrial' at all, so HM was a perfect entry point for me as a mellower album.

    If anyone had tried to 'introduce' me to The Slip instead, I would have run away fast.

    Definitely, the perfect entry point into NIN also depends on what kinds of music the person enjoyed previously.
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    I honestly don't understand a concept of introducing to a new band/artist by just one album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    I honestly don't understand a concept of introducing to a new band/artist by just one album.
    Well you've got to start somewhere, few people will try to embrace a whole discography just to find out if they even like the band... If that entry point can be an actual album instead of a Best Of, that's all the better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    Yeah, but you have to get through Mr Self Destruct right at the beginning which is pretty off-putting if you're not used to it.
    And Heresy, and Ruiner, and Becoming, and Big Man With A Gun. Took me ages to get into that album - only managed it via Further Down The Spiral in the end.


    I wouldn't use The Slip as an entry album, the reaction for a lot of people is to reach for the volume control at Letting You and fall asleep through Corona Radiata.
    My opinion, Pretty Hate Machine, With Teeth and Hesitation Marks are the most accessible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    I honestly don't understand a concept of introducing to a new band/artist by just one album.
    i love making people single-artist mixes as a way to get them into a band. not a "best of" but a "stuff you'll probably like the most" compilation. i've done it for various friends and for various bands (NIN, COIL, mastodon, mogwai, nick cave & the bad seeds, tom waits) and it's always fun.

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    When it comes to introducing new listeners to Nine Inch Nails albums, I often find myself referring to Pretty Hate Machine, The Downward Spiral and With Teeth the most. And if they end up liking any of those albums, I end up going for The Fragile and Year Zero. Then again, it also depends on the person's tastes as already mentioned, as I could see how The Fragile and Ghosts I-IV can also make for better entry points. And ever since Hesitation Marks came out, I'd definitely agree that it's also the new entry point as I could see how it would be very likely for songs like Copy Of A or Satellite to win new fans over.

    Oh, and if anybody is interested, I was just reminded to look for a thread that I've made this very topic on a while back.

    http://www.echoingthesound.org/commu...potential-fans

    It's also nice to see other opinions on this topic, as I've sometimes thought that only relying on all of the albums from Pretty Hate Machine to The Fragile was the best choice in all cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    agreed.
    we live in the age of the single, and it's a shame.

    i feel bad for kids growing up these days.
    Even CDs were newfangled when i was growing up.
    Even though I only got into buying albums since 1999, I totally get this. I'm aware that CDs have been "out" for the most part since the mid 2000s, but I haven't gotten over buying albums from bands I like. I also say mid 2000s, because even though file-sharing was taking over in the early 2000s, CDs and CD players still seemed to be in vogue around 2000-2004. I also see why I shouldn't feel bad either, but I guess it's just that I still enjoy collecting CDs in a way somebody would enjoy collecting comic books or stamps. (As of now, it also seems to be like that, especially since CDs right now are the way cassettes were in the 2000s. I'm still both impressed and surprised that vinyl is still appreciated though. And by all means, I could see why too.)

    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    Albums are meant to be cohesive works of art, tied together by thematic and melodic threads...at least they used to be..., and for my dollar, NIN subtly ties songs together better than just about anyone.
    I still feel this way about albums. I like to think of them as a snapshot of the band at that particular year. I've always looked at albums as a whole.

    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    The way things are headed, though, it's all about scoring a hit single. My ex girlfriend's teenage kid laughed at me when i used the word "album." He thought he was so fucking cool (granted, i thought i was pretty damn cool at his age.)

    He advised me that no one says the word album...that's like saying "record," hardy har har, and he and his friends listen to SONGS on their ipods, not albums.

    i really hope that artists don't stop trying to make cohesive records as the times change.
    As do I. I also remember being surprised even back in say, 2005-2009 when some people I knew back then asked me why I bothered to listen to albums, buy albums, or told me that they only cared to listen to songs. Come to think of it, the majority of people that I've known and met in real life don't really listen to albums, regardless as to whether or not they'd buy them or download them.

    (And well, I'll admit that it's like I'm stuck in the 1990s when it comes to getting into bands and buying albums. I'm just not over that at all. In most cases, I usually check out the albums in chronological order as well. However, I'm also thankful that the Internet helps me check out music before I buy it, while also being a place for me to get a hold of actual CDs. I also like how having an iPod allows me to leave my CDs at home as opposed to having to use CD wallets like I did back in 1999-2004.)

    Even as somebody that is far from the biggest music fan, this particular subject always hit home for me.

    @piggy - I also remember discussing this topic up with you too, and I thought that you might have liked to catch elevenism's posts concerning this matter.

    http://www.echoingthesound.org/commu...088#post223088

    http://www.echoingthesound.org/commu...091#post223091
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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    albums like that are so rewarding to me. you can really sit and "listen to a record" just like you would watch a movie if it's done the right way
    I've also felt this way for quite some time no matter what kind of album it was. I suppose that I've gotten used to taking them in as a whole. I still skip around them though, but I always keep in mind that the album is a whole.

    I sometimes like to think of the album as a season and the songs as little episodes too for another analogy. I know we're not the only ones that see it this way, but it's refreshing to see that I'm not alone on this.

    And sorry. I don't have any actual Nine Inch Nails questions right now, but this particular topic on albums has always interested me. I've also liked how I can always enjoy Nine Inch Nails albums from front to back, or at least way over half of any NIN albums that were not among my favorites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howdidislipinto View Post
    There's definitely not a doubt in my mind that Hesitation Marks is the new "entry point" to recommend to non-fans. From there, depending on what they like, it could go in any direction... but HM is 100% the new starting point.
    you must be on drugs....thats like saying Exciter is the entry point to introduce people to Depeche Mode lol or Backspacer is a starting point for Pearl Jam..I know you're a TR apologist and everything he touches is gold but the reality is HM tanked, its not highly regarded by anyone except the ultimate diehards who would jack off over a record of TR burping into a mic for 60 minutes while banging a garbage can... its just another mediocore record by a post 45 year old musician whos better days are far behind them, and whose back catalog is brilliant.....the starting point is, was and will always be PHM....then you move them onto TDS.....unless its some girl who likes pop songs, then you start with Withaaa Teeth
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    PHM is WAY MORE pop than WT.

    With Teeth and Hesitation Marks are the faves among my friends who are casual fans. Those would definitely be the two that I would refer most people to, depending on their other tastes in music.

    I like PHM, but it's dated as fuck now. Most of the other stuff still holds up so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billpulsipher View Post
    unless its some girl who likes pop songs
    Are you 11 or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billpulsipher View Post
    you must be on drugs....thats like saying Exciter is the entry point to introduce people to Depeche Mode lol or Backspacer is a starting point for Pearl Jam..I know you're a TR apologist and everything he touches is gold but the reality is HM tanked, its not highly regarded by anyone except the ultimate diehards who would jack off over a record of TR burping into a mic for 60 minutes while banging a garbage can... its just another mediocore record by a post 45 year old musician whos better days are far behind them, and whose back catalog is brilliant.....the starting point is, was and will always be PHM....then you move them onto TDS.....unless its some girl who likes pop songs, then you start with Withaaa Teeth
    NIN albums that tanked: The Fragile, Year Zero, Hesitation Marks. So... the best ones?

    C'mon, I know you're a troll, but be consistent with your character! "Bill" would not like PHM! "Some girl who likes pop songs" would *adore* PHM. Have you even heard what's on pop radio right now? It's all '80s throwbacks! The number one album in the world is called 1989! "Bill" the character should be saying BROKEN (or worse, FIXED) is the best starting point for non-NIN fans, and anyone who doesn't like it is a pussy who doesn't deserve to gaze upon Trent's fishnet covered legs (or into those '90s-god eyelined eyes). It's 1994 forever, right?

    I can't do your homework for you, Bill. Get it the fuck together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billpulsipher View Post
    the reality is HM tanked, its not highly regarded by anyone except the ultimate diehards
    I'm not sure that's accurate.

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    He probably meant from REAL FANS(only him).

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