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    Sorry for the newbie question; new to the board, not to NIN. I remember back in 2005? a friend put on a live video where the Frail lead into La Mer? I can't seem to find this anywere on youtube. Maybe I was mistaken, but I figured people here would set me right on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    Sorry for the newbie question; new to the board, not to NIN. I remember back in 2005? a friend put on a live video where the Frail lead into La Mer? I can't seem to find this anywere on youtube. Maybe I was mistaken, but I figured people here would set me right on it.
    I saw them do that live in Nottingham in 2007. I think it was in March, that sorta time. Check the NiN Live archives

    http://ninlive.com/



    /edit. My mistake. It was La Mer into Into The Void that I saw
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckrh View Post
    which do you prefer, louder or quieter NIN? obviously we love it all but no fair saying both. for me, as much as i love the loud stuff, the quiet stuff tends to stick to me more.
    Quiet. The loudness feels more natural for NIN's chosen instruments, so using said instruments in a quiet manner just feels more intriguing and captivating to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckrh View Post
    which do you prefer, louder or quieter NIN? obviously we love it all but no fair saying both. for me, as much as i love the loud stuff, the quiet stuff tends to stick to me more.
    I've always been more attracted to the quieter tracks as well. That's why I loved (and still love) Ghosts and the score material that Trent & Atticus have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    I've always been more attracted to the quieter tracks as well. That's why I loved (and still love) Ghosts and the score material that Trent & Atticus have done.
    Would be cool to see something like a NPR tiny desk session with NIN, except not in some pretty well lit office but somewhere else, in the building, like.. the garage ? Lol

    I want to see them go mad on percussions and synths doing a live rendition of I'm Not From This World (but quieter ya know). That would be really fucking, well, industrial.

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    I would love to see NIN do a whole tour of just "quiet" tracks. Small and intimate venues. No HLAH or Wish or any of those. Have a grand piano set up, and acoustic guitar, some electronics and pads, and some really cool lights. I would pay so much money to see that.

    It would also be cool if he would do another album like Still, with new material and some of the new vocal approaches he has been using the last few years on Bad Witch, AV, Before the Flood, and HTDA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    I would love to see NIN do a whole tour of just "quiet" tracks. Small and intimate venues. No HLAH or Wish or any of those. Have a grand piano set up, and acoustic guitar, some electronics and pads, and some really cool lights. I would pay so much money to see that.

    It would also be cool if he would do another album like Still, with new material and some of the new vocal approaches he has been using the last few years on Bad Witch, AV, Before the Flood, and HTDA.
    It'd be a chance to air Ghosts and OSTs too, as they'd fit in far better for the audience that would bring

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    i wonder if Trent is going to be involved with the Cure festival in LA in some capacity. i would be mighty tempted to return to Babylon if that were the case.

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    How does Trent Reznor have any hearing left to be able to make music? I wore expensive ear plugs to the last show and it was still ringing my bell. I remember the first show I ever went to in 1996 left my ears ringing for days. Do musicians end up with permanent, insanity-inducing tinnitus? How does he continue to deal with so many little nuances and subtleties after 30+ years of deafening volumes? I am sure he protects his ears now, but back in the day did he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    How does Trent Reznor have any hearing left to be able to make music? I wore expensive ear plugs to the last show and it was still ringing my bell. I remember the first show I ever went to in 1996 left my ears ringing for days. Do musicians end up with permanent, insanity-inducing tinnitus? How does he continue to deal with so many little nuances and subtleties after 30+ years of deafening volumes? I am sure he protects his ears now, but back in the day did he?
    Yes, they do have tinnitus. Swans is loud as fuck, and Michael Gira is close to being deaf, but still makes music. You can fine-tune your equipment to your lost frequeciens, both ears. It is still a gigantic pain in the ass.

    People on stage don't always have as many speakers toward them like us, the audience, though. I don't remember how it was with NIN, but unless you see the dared Great Stack of Amps, people on stage have just enough volume to know what they're playing, but most speakers are pointed toward us. Or are they ?

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    Maybe I'm biased, but NIN is brutally loud live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    How does Trent Reznor have any hearing left to be able to make music? I wore expensive ear plugs to the last show and it was still ringing my bell. I remember the first show I ever went to in 1996 left my ears ringing for days. Do musicians end up with permanent, insanity-inducing tinnitus? How does he continue to deal with so many little nuances and subtleties after 30+ years of deafening volumes? I am sure he protects his ears now, but back in the day did he?
    I'm not 100% sure about Trent having hearing issues, but it would make sense if he did, not just from touring but also recording. I think taking large chunks of time off from touring has probably helped though. He's not been one of those musicians that constantly has to tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    How does Trent Reznor have any hearing left to be able to make music? I wore expensive ear plugs to the last show and it was still ringing my bell. I remember the first show I ever went to in 1996 left my ears ringing for days. Do musicians end up with permanent, insanity-inducing tinnitus? How does he continue to deal with so many little nuances and subtleties after 30+ years of deafening volumes? I am sure he protects his ears now, but back in the day did he?
    Like others have said, it's just not as loud on stage. And since he started using IEMs, it shouldn't be a problem at all.

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    Yeah they are not getting the full brunt force that we get. Being behind those giants stacks on either side of a stage makes a huge difference.

    That being said, NIN shows are by far the most pleasant, least painfully loud "big" shows that I go to. Many times I take my earplugs out for good portions of the show bc everything is attenuated so well, and I'm not just talking about during songs like SICNH. And that's even when I'm pretty close to the stage when I've gotten lucky enough. I think Trent has some of, if not THE, best sound guys in the business, so this doesn't surprise me.

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    Yes, the whole band has been on IEM since 2005, and that makes a big difference to performers' hearing. In the old days, they had those big Meyer biamplified wedge monitors facing them, which while sounding AWESOME definitely wouldn't have been quiet... add that to the lack of in-ear separation from the natural noise of the drumkit and PA out front, and whatever the guitarists' speaker cabinets on stage are doing (usually cranked, hah)... everything on stage would have been significantly louder in the 90s than it is today. The one time I thought the sound at a NIN show out front was even close to painful since then was at the 2014 outdoor show in Toronto (sounded like they were having real trouble getting the PA to cut through the natural reverberation of the venue)... whereas the indoor show here a year before that was some of the best-sounding live mixing at a totally reasonable volume I've ever heard in such a big space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SM Rollinger View Post
    Maybe I'm biased, but NIN is brutally loud live.
    really? I’ve never felt they were excessively loud anytime I’ve seen them

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    Good discussion here.

    I have permanent tinnitus that I can hear when itís quiet and I havenít come anywhere close to the number of shows that they must have played before using IEM. But who knows, maybe he always protected his ears? I also know a drummer from a rock band who has never protected his ears and heís almost sixty and seems to be fine. Maybe it varies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    How does Trent Reznor have any hearing left to be able to make music?
    Tin Foil Theory: He doesn't have any hearing left which is the real reason he leaves Atticus to "make sense" of everything in the studio.

    I have permanent (as in 24 hours a day) tinnitus in my left ear, and have since I was 28. I've never worn any sort of ear protection to concerts.

    I also find Nine Inch Nails to be tame in terms of concert volume. The loudest show I've ever been to was a Bassnectar show, believe it or not. It was uncomfortably loud and bassy; worse than any indoor motor show/race I've attended. Drone/Doom concerts tend to be extremely loud also: Sonic Youth (second loudest concert I've attended), Sunn O))), Boris, Swans, and My Bloody Valentine all stand out.

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    ^ Yeah, I’ve been to shows where I could not hear much of anything for a few hours after I left; it was like I was underwater. Some typical classic rock arena shows, obviously, but also Ministry was some of the loudest shows.

    I have permanent tinnitus which presents itself as a high-pitched ringing in both ears (but especially my left). It changes in severity depending on circumstances, e.g. caffeine or alcohol consumption, my migraine medication, sleep. Luckily, it never causes me any discomfort or pain. I had a friend whose tinnitus was SO bad, she heard what sounded like “motorcycles” which means she was mostly deaf.

    I started wearing ear plugs to loud shows around 20 years ago, because I don’t want to eventually need hearing aids. MOVIES at the theater are way too loud now, it concerns me that children are exposed to those high decibels.

    As @botley mentioned, in-ear monitors have revolutionized live shows for musicians, but so have house amplification systems. In the old days, there were no house PAs, there were just blasted amps on stage and the musicians were in front of them.

    Lots of artists are pretty much deaf in either one or both ears and have varying severity of tinnitus, including but not limited to:

    * Neil Young
    * Jeff Beck
    * Sting
    * Whoopi Goldberg (she wears hearing aids in both ears)
    * Ozzy Osbourne
    * Eric Clapton
    * Pete Townsend
    * Alex Van Halen
    * Lars Ulrich
    * Brian Johnson (AC / DC)
    * Anthony Kiedis
    * Danny Elfman
    * Moby
    * Barbra Streisand
    * Thomas Bangalter (Daft Punk)
    * Chris Martin
    * will.i.am

    Even classical musicians are at risk.

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    When talking about NIN, do you talk about a band or duo? And before Atticus joined were you talking about the artist Nine Inch Nails or the band Nine Inch Nails. I've always talked about "my favorite band Nine Inch Nails" but technically it should be the artist (now duo).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FRDU View Post
    When talking about NIN, do you talk about a band or duo? And before Atticus joined were you talking about the artist Nine Inch Nails or the band Nine Inch Nails. I've always talked about "my favorite band Nine Inch Nails" but technically it should be the artist (now duo).
    It's always been a 'band' for me; even back in the Fragility days it was clear that players like Charlie & Danny, and other studio production team members like Keith Hillebrandt (and especially Alan Moulder) were part of the overall sound, even though TR was always at the center of composition and production process. A duo is still a band, BTW. Trent Reznor is an artist in a band.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    Yeah they are not getting the full brunt force that we get. Being behind those giants stacks on either side of a stage makes a huge difference.

    That being said, NIN shows are by far the most pleasant, least painfully loud "big" shows that I go to. Many times I take my earplugs out for good portions of the show bc everything is attenuated so well, and I'm not just talking about during songs like SICNH. And that's even when I'm pretty close to the stage when I've gotten lucky enough. I think Trent has some of, if not THE, best sound guys in the business, so this doesn't surprise me.
    I was shocked at how reasonable the volume was in Vegas last year and ended up leaving my earplugs out the majority of both shows. The mixing was incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Mom View Post
    ^ Yeah, I’ve been to shows where I could not hear much of anything for a few hours after I left; it was like I was underwater. Some typical classic rock arena shows, obviously, but also Ministry was some of the loudest shows.

    I have permanent tinnitus which presents itself as a high-pitched ringing in both ears (but especially my left). It changes in severity depending on circumstances, e.g. caffeine or alcohol consumption, my migraine medication, sleep. Luckily, it never causes me any discomfort or pain. I had a friend whose tinnitus was SO bad, she heard what sounded like “motorcycles” which means she was mostly deaf.

    I started wearing ear plugs to loud shows around 20 years ago, because I don’t want to eventually need hearing aids. MOVIES at the theater are way too loud now, it concerns me that children are exposed to those high decibels.

    As @botley mentioned, in-ear monitors have revolutionized live shows for musicians, but so have house amplification systems. In the old days, there were no house PAs, there were just blasted amps on stage and the musicians were in front of them.

    Lots of artists are pretty much deaf in either one or both ears and have varying severity of tinnitus, including but not limited to:

    * Neil Young
    * Jeff Beck
    * Sting
    * Whoopi Goldberg (she wears hearing aids in both ears)
    * Ozzy Osbourne
    * Eric Clapton
    * Pete Townsend
    * Alex Van Halen
    * Lars Ulrich
    * Brian Johnson (AC / DC)
    * Anthony Kiedis
    * Danny Elfman
    * Moby
    * Barbra Streisand
    * Thomas Bangalter (Daft Punk)
    * Chris Martin
    * will.i.am

    Even classical musicians are at risk.

    That is really sad to hear bout how many musicians suffer the loss of being able to enjoy what they love. I wonder if Trent has never talked about it because he's fine and doesn't have any loss, or if he doesn't want to admit to it because he's pretty private about things in general. I know this seems like such a tangent conversation, but it really isn't - imagine being into a visual artist and finding out they are partially blind. It's really fundamental to what they are doing and what is possible in the future.

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    I know I will chime in here because I try to advocate for earplugs as much as I can to other people.

    I had chronic ear infections as a kid. Leaving me with very sensitive ears. I've always been very aware of protecting them because loud sounds hurt. I have always worn earplugs at shows since I started going to concerts. If I didn't have them, I really became nauseated. I don't listen to my music loud and just overall have tried to keep my ears healthy. Of course I have forgotten them a few times, I went to Carl Craig at a small club in Detroit and the soundguy LOVED to turn up the music to excessive levels. I feel like that really did me in being there for 2 hours. I've had ringing in my ears that are pretty profound since that night. Some nights it's hard to sleep, I'm bummed because I have always tried to take care of my ears. I know that in my near future will mean hearing aids and I am just dreading that day.

    I finally got some molded plugs at my audiologist. They really help, especially when I go to my all night DJ parties I still like to attend. The music is stupid clear and my ears don't fatigue or have profound ringing due to damage because the sound is attenuated down to a decent level.

    TLDR: I have tinnitus, it sucks. If you go to shows, get some custom plugs. Will change your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninlive View Post
    I know I will chime in here because I try to advocate for earplugs as much as I can to other people.

    I had chronic ear infections as a kid. Leaving me with very sensitive ears. I've always been very aware of protecting them because loud sounds hurt. I have always worn earplugs at shows since I started going to concerts. If I didn't have them, I really became nauseated. I don't listen to my music loud and just overall have tried to keep my ears healthy. Of course I have forgotten them a few times, I went to Carl Craig at a small club in Detroit and the soundguy LOVED to turn up the music to excessive levels. I feel like that really did me in being there for 2 hours. I've had ringing in my ears that are pretty profound since that night. Some nights it's hard to sleep, I'm bummed because I have always tried to take care of my ears. I know that in my near future will mean hearing aids and I am just dreading that day.

    I finally got some molded plugs at my audiologist. They really help, especially when I go to my all night DJ parties I still like to attend. The music is stupid clear and my ears don't fatigue or have profound ringing due to damage because the sound is attenuated down to a decent level.

    TLDR: I have tinnitus, it sucks. If you go to shows, get some custom plugs. Will change your life.

    Yeah, this is good advice. It's weird that it's one of those things that doesn't heal or get better. I have it but i haven't played hundreds of screaming loud shows for decades. I just really can't help but wonder what it is like for these guys.

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    Does store.NIN.com ever have any seasonal sales? I really want to pick up that black and white NIN hoodie, but was thinking about getting it in the middle of summer if they generally put it on sale at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefragile_jake View Post
    Does store.NIN.com ever have any seasonal sales? I really want to pick up that black and white NIN hoodie, but was thinking about getting it in the middle of summer if they generally put it on sale at some point.
    merchbar has a lot of the same stuff and sometimes has sales / coupons (you can also try installing the Honey plugin, even if it doesn't work, it's adorable to see the dancing coin guy haha)

    you could also try your discount code if you still have it, i know some people had luck using them more than once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    merchbar has a lot of the same stuff and sometimes has sales / coupons (you can also try installing the Honey plugin, even if it doesn't work, it's adorable to see the dancing coin guy haha)

    you could also try your discount code if you still have it, i know some people had luck using them more than once.
    I think I already used my discount code.

    But thanks for the update though! I'll check out Merchbar for the hoodie for sure.

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