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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    No problem at all. I'm just curious what makes certain people such experts on the matter, when I've seen nothing to support their theory that an album was poorly produced (it wasn't)..
    i never said it was poorly produced, i said i didn't like the way it was mixed. i didn't say it wasn't done the way they wanted it, it's just not to my preference. it's a great album, i love the music! the live performances i've seen of the songs are amazing!

    again, like in the MM thread, i never claimed i could do better. you are once again creating false equivalencies and putting words in my mouth so you have an excuse to insult me.

    i don't have the money or the means to make a professionally recorded/produced/mixed album, so i work with what i have. that doesn't mean i'm not allowed to have an opinion about a professional band's work. if i literally said "i can do better" then you could spend all your time giving me shit and i'd deserve it. but as it is, you are just going out of your way to be unkind to me, and i don't understand. i really don't. what did i do to you? why do you seem to have this goal to make me feel like shit about my music?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    i never said it was poorly produced, i said i didn't like the way it was mixed. i didn't say it wasn't done the way they wanted it, it's just not to my preference. it's a great album, i love the music! the live performances i've seen of the songs are amazing!

    again, like in the MM thread, i never claimed i could do better. you are once again creating false equivalencies and putting words in my mouth so you have an excuse to insult me.

    i don't have the money or the means to make a professionally recorded/produced/mixed album, so i work with what i have. that doesn't mean i'm not allowed to have an opinion about a professional band's work. if i literally said "i can do better" than you could spend all your time giving me shit and i'd deserve it. but as it is, you are just going out of your way to be unkind to me, and i don't understand. i really don't. what did i do to you? why do you seem to have this goal to make me feel like shit about my music?
    An excuse to insult you? Why? I ignore 99.9% of the stuff you post here because you come off as arrogant and presumptuous. I listened to your music once or twice, didn't care for it, and moved on. This has nothing to do with insulting you, because it's not about you. At all. I made my point in the Manson thread and moved on..

    Hell, I wasn't even talking about you here, specifically. This was more towards Bobby Solo saying an album (Gore) sounded like ass and I was curious as to what albums he's produced so I could see where he was drawing his conclusions from, if he knows so much about it..

    Notice how Neorev said the remasters were brickwalled to shit? I've heard his music. Hell, I own some of it. It's accomplished and well-produced, from someone who clearly knows what makes for good production. I trust his judgement on the matter, because he's proven he knows what he's talking about..

    So yea, sorry, but this is entirely not about you at all. Nobody's looking to insult you or pick a fight with you, because nobody cares. At least, I don't..

    Now, back to the music..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    Notice how Neorev said the remasters were brickwalled to shit? I've heard his music. Hell, I own some of it. It's accomplished and well-produced, from someone who clearly knows what makes for good production. I trust his judgement on the matter, because he's proven he knows what he's talking about..
    Yeah, having done a professional mix/master is absolutely not required to use your ears and make an informed opinion.

    I've never released a professionally-recorded album. Am I not allowed to have opinions on any albums then?

    I've never built an automobile so I can't opine on the staggering number of idiots who drive them poorly or the idiotic decisions car manufacturers make?

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    Now seems like a good time to say that I despise Chino's vocal performances in Saturday Night Wrist, Palms and Team Sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    Zane Lowe: What was the inspiration behind working with Terry Date again, after 17 years?

    Chino: I think we, as a band, just got tired of hearing about people on the internet who have bitched incessantly about the production and the mixing of the last four albums, and figured bringing in Terry would give them what they want so they shut the fuck up and just enjoy the music, which always sounds perfectly fine to us..

    Fuck - that's crazy. I wasn't the biggest fan of how Gore sounded but that was personally a reaction to how fucking incredible Diamond Eyes & Koi No Yokan sounded - in a perfect world I'd just have Nick Raskulinecz produce Deftones records the rest of time. I wasn't aware that a lot of people had qualms about the way those two albums sounded, but there we go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triggermine View Post
    It wasn't? I thought it was finished, but Chi went into his coma shortly after its completion, and then, after his death, they decided to shelve it, got Sergio on bass, and recorded Diamond Eyes as a tribute to Chi?

    Speaking of Diamond Eyes, they're going to be doing a live stream of the album on YouTube at 6 PM PST for the 10th anniversary.
    I forgot where I heard from but somewhere around the time "Smile" came out it was mentioned that only about 7 tracks were complete or in some state of completion. I could be making that up. But I swear I read that from some official source like Chino or Abe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixML View Post
    Now seems like a good time to say that I despise Chino's vocal performances in Saturday Night Wrist, Palms and Team Sleep.
    On Team Sleep? But why?

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    It could be the way it's mixed and produced too. Ataraxia, Your Skull Is Red or especially Blvd Nights. I can't remember the rest. I get the potential, but I feel like it could have been so much more. I love Ever. And Iceage, Appolonia (with vocals) and Mercedes, but oh why did they leave them behind? So much disappointment in that album.

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    To be honest, I never saw or heard any complaints about Diamond Eyes or Koi No Yokan. I thought they sounded perfectly fine. Perhaps slightly more polished compared to their previous albums, but never had issues with them. On the other hand, I did hear lots of complaints about Gore though, which is an album I personally have no problems with. I get what they were going for on that album and quite enjoyed it. The mix/master was more inspired by some of the older artists they love and were inspired by. I like it for not sounding like your usual Deftones records. For some, the production/mix is not their taste, especially if you're used to a way previous Deftones record sounds. Only Adrenaline and Gore stand out to me as oddballs amongst their discography when it comes to the production/mix/master. Personally, I can't really listen to Adrenaline. I don't dislike the songs themselves, but it just sounds way too thin to me. I'm always cranking the low and mids on the EQ to give it some oomph. Now that's an album I would like to see them go back to and completely remix from the ground up to give it a little more balls... as long as they don't brickwall the hell out of it. These remasters are my main issue. I'll take a dozen more Gore-produced albums over those horrible remasters. They're just so damn grating on the ears. Even in lossless, I can't enjoy the albums like I can with the original albums. They just become fatiguing to listen to. All the clarity and punch and oomph the original masters had are gone. I at least do not find Gore grating and fatiguing to listen to. I really do not know what they were thinking with those remasters.

    Oh, and, yes, I also heard they only had several songs recorded for Eros with some not fully finished. They could just make it an EP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archive_Reports View Post
    Cheng was on his way home returning from his brother's memorial service on November 3, 2008 when he was involved in a serious car accident.[20] Moreno had just left the studio after recording vocal tracks for Eros, and was about halfway done with his vocal work on the album when the accident occurred.[4]

    In July 2009, Deftones announced they had indefinitely shelved Eros in favor of work on a new album written with Vega.[21] At the time, only about six songs were completed for Eros.[22] Moreno estimated that Eros' instrumental portions were "probably 75-80% done" while the lyrics were about halfway completed, requiring about six more months of work to finish.[23][24]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eros_(Deftones_album)
    Well, that clears that up. Thanks!

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    Diamond eyes 10th Anniversary Listening Party tonight.

    6pm PT, Deftones official YouTube channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    So yea, sorry, but this is entirely not about you at all. Nobody's looking to insult you or pick a fight with you, because nobody cares. At least, I don't..
    So does this mean no second round of petulant PM's or facepalming? Asking for a friend.

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    To me the best production on a Deftones album is on "Saturday Night Wrist", could it be because the dude that produced a little album called "The Wall" was involved?

    Maybe not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixML View Post
    It could be the way it's mixed and produced too. Ataraxia, Your Skull Is Red or especially Blvd Nights. I can't remember the rest. I get the potential, but I feel like it could have been so much more. I love Ever. And Iceage, Appolonia (with vocals) and Mercedes, but oh why did they leave them behind? So much disappointment in that album.
    Hahaa, We have complete opposite opinions on this. I found the raw mixing and producing coinsided with each other to give the atmosphere that album and most of their demos and unreleased tracks have. I do agree that there should have been some tracks that made the cut than others, but I find the album to flow so well.

    I remember getting super exited when they randomly released Inside is Natural, and we got Woodstock sessions instead which gives off a very different vibe with them being reworked. Still cannot find a decent download or zip for that album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Self.Destructive.Pattern View Post
    I remember getting super exited when they randomly released Inside is Natural, and we got Woodstock sessions instead which gives off a very different vibe with them being reworked. Still cannot find a decent download or zip for that album.
    What is Inside Is Natural? I have not heard this. I like the Team Sleep stuff, but missed this one.

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    Found this...
    https://teamsleep.bandcamp.com/track...ural-beat-demo

    But sadly not downloadable
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    Quote Originally Posted by neorev View Post
    But sadly not downloadable
    Heh... It says "Releases June 6, 2037" on that page. Mark your calendars!
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryeatscereal View Post
    To me the best production on a Deftones album is on "Saturday Night Wrist", could it be because the dude that produced a little album called "The Wall" was involved?

    Maybe not...
    It's not exactly accurate. At the beginning of the recording process for SNW Bob Ezrin worked with them and the demos from that can be found online but ultimately Shaun Lopez produced the album. SNW is a favorite of mine but I don't think the production is as nice as it is on KNY or Diamond Eyes, which I think sounds the nicest.

    I love Gore but it sounds like mud. I don't know what happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by neorev View Post
    What is Inside Is Natural? I have not heard this. I like the Team Sleep stuff, but missed this one.

    EDIT:

    Found this...
    https://teamsleep.bandcamp.com/track...ural-beat-demo

    But sadly not downloadable
    It should be on YouTube. Just copy/paste the link and use a converter to mp3. I like the release date; I never noticed that .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Self.Destructive.Pattern View Post
    It should be on YouTube. Just copy/paste the link and use a converter to mp3. I like the release date; I never noticed that .
    MP3 is a dirty word in my book

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    listen to them while swimming through a swamp
    This pretty much sums up the Deftones sound for me.
    Horrible DR range, compressed to death, and the ear-fatiguing noise. And I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jord View Post
    I wasn't aware that a lot of people had qualms about the way those two albums sounded, but there we go.
    They don't. Chino made it up.

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    So that listening party was kind of a bummer. Just a full album stream with their videos from the album interlaced with footage of that white owl. Now, the owl's beautiful and all, but I was hoping they would be chatting about the process or how they felt about it now or something while playing it in the background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wretchedest View Post
    It's not exactly accurate. At the beginning of the recording process for SNW Bob Ezrin worked with them and the demos from that can be found online but ultimately Shaun Lopez produced the album.
    Had no idea about this, thanks

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    Apparently Ezrin was a central component of the angst involved in the recording of the album. I've read it characterized essentially that he didn't push Chino enough... Whatever that means. I find that to be a pretty fluffy way to convey a period that the band clearly feels a lot of resentment about, because it makes it sound like Chino just had *too much* integrity, so I wonder if it was more meth addled pretentions and self conscious temper tanrums. They did end up rerecording all the vocals they tracked with Ezrin. For what it's worth I do think it has a lot of Chinos best vocal work, on Cherry Waves, Mein, Rats! Those all seem very tough.

    Call me crazy but it does just seem as simple as the guy on meth being an issue, and not the other five people just not caring enough
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    I don't know, it seemed more like it was Chino who was on meth AND also not caring about the record, not the band mother caring. Hence why Chino went away to do Team Sleep while the band carried on recording without him. I got the vibe that Chino was just not into making another Deftones record at that moment with the stuff he had going on. He went and did his own thing and came back to record his vocals and finish it.

    I'm not a huge Saturday Night Wrist fan, to be honest. It's towards the bottom of my top Deftones albums list.
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    I'd probably put SNW in my top three with Self-Titled and KNY. Even though it was a pretty bad time for the band, I reckon it has some really top-tier performances and songs. I even dig Pink Cellphone! I love the production on Chino's vocals in stuff like Kimdracula and Cherry Waves too. The whole atmosphere of the album is just so awesome, that dreaminess mixed with intense heaviness that Deftones do so well.

    Really excited for the new record especially now that Terry Date's involved again! Gore is good, and it's got this cool cohesiveness and vibe, but I just feel like it doesn't have any major highlights like all the other albums do, apart from maybe Hearts/Wires, Acid Hologram, and Rubicon. The band have never made a bad album though, so it'll be nice to get it on vinyl on release day for the first listen!

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    I love "Saturday Night Wrist", but we already discussed that before, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by acrid avid jam shred View Post
    I'd probably put SNW in my top three with Self-Titled and KNY. Even though it was a pretty bad time for the band, I reckon it has some really top-tier performances and songs. I even dig Pink Cellphone! I love the production on Chino's vocals in stuff like Kimdracula and Cherry Waves too. The whole atmosphere of the album is just so awesome, that dreaminess mixed with intense heaviness that Deftones do so well.

    Really excited for the new record especially now that Terry Date's involved again! Gore is good, and it's got this cool cohesiveness and vibe, but I just feel like it doesn't have any major highlights like all the other albums do, apart from maybe Hearts/Wires, Acid Hologram, and Rubicon. The band have never made a bad album though, so it'll be nice to get it on vinyl on release day for the first listen!
    Gore instantly went into my top three after I gave it all my attention with headphones last year. Production drama aside, it is a beautiful album for me. I loved KNY when I first heard it, but the more I listened to it, the more evident it became to me that it becomes a bit boring at times. Same thing happened to me with Diamond Eyes unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Self.Destructive.Pattern View Post
    Gore instantly went into my top three after I gave it all my attention with headphones last year. Production drama aside, it is a beautiful album for me. I loved KNY when I first heard it, but the more I listened to it, the more evident it became to me that it becomes a bit boring at times. Same thing happened to me with Diamond Eyes unfortunately.
    I would have to agree with this. Gore went up with repeated listens whilst Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan moved down the more I listened to them. They're not bad albums, just not as strong all the way through.

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    Gore is fantastic. I don't get why the only conversation surrounding it is that it sounds bad. It just sounds different, and that's not a bad thing. I think it sounds great.

    The second half of the album, from Hearts/Wires to the end is almost completely perfect.

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