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    Will Smith punching Chris Rock



    I just posted this in the random headline thread, but feel this deserves its own thread.

    Smith should have been removed on the spot.

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    I posted this in the celebrity thread but will post it here for proper discussion and maybe to amplify my story....

    This was probably staged. It comes at a time when the Oscars have been desperate for attention for more than a decade, the blocking and audio are all a bit too professional.

    Ableist and mysogynistic jokes slowly boil people into fascist frogs. We shouldn't tolerate them.

    It's also a GI Jane joke, in a different world, we are talking about how our of touch and out of date that is.

    I have a super weird Will Smith story while he is topical. My brother and I both went to (different) schools with his kids. But this other story is kind of dark and the veracity of it is hard to gauge. I lean towards believing it, mostly because of the chronology of it.

    So I have this friend, J, who became a pornstar in like idk 2009/2010ish? Maybe a little later than that. He worked at one of the biggest studios in Hollywood, and as is well known, many of those pornstars also work as escorts, and ostensibly this was the case with J. One day a year or two in, he comes to my a few of us with a dilemma which is that he had been offered to sleep with Jada Pinkeyt Smith to the tune of like $20,000 to which we were all like yeah sure fuck it.

    Shortly after J moved, and we weren't really sure why but just assumed he burnt out of porn. He moved to mammoth where he worked at the resort. And he seemed to be having some success there and accruing some sponsorship when suddenly, again, he moved, this time out of state to Utah, and this time he changed his name, different from his real name *and* from his porn pseudonym. And the next time we saw him, still a year or so later, he had totally changed. Unwilling to go anywhere without a gun constantly talking about people who were after him. He would tell my friend one late drunken night that it was "Will Smith's people" who were after him, on account of the Jada Pi let Smith thing. They had apparently chased him out of town from LA and then found him in mammoth. And of course this sounded outrageous but J also wasn't one for tall tails. And outrageous energetic man, but not a liar.

    And the story goes that one day, his girlfriend saw him receive a mysterious phone call, after which he mysteriously shot himself.

    Who's to say what happened but it's been interesting to see the weirdness between Will and Jada in the last couple years in light of that story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wretchedest View Post
    This was probably staged. It comes at a time when the Oscars have been desperate for attention for more than a decade, the blocking and audio are all a bit too professional.
    It seemed pretty real to me, especially their reactions.

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    I'm open to the possibility that it was real, but these are actors, after all

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    I think calling it staged is putting the cart before the horse. People want to believe it was staged simply because the Oscars have been in trouble for a while now, and because we also live in very suspicious and cynical times. I think it's simply a case of a comedian telling a shitty joke and an actor with an ego to protect colliding. Rock also made fun of them a few years ago when they boycotted the ceremony, so unless this was some sort of elaborate scheme years in the making, I don't see it being fake. Also, as weird as Hollywood is (deeply, DEEPLY weird), doing this kind of thing simply for ratings is a bad idea. The Oscars ratings may be wayyy down from where they used to be (probably because there's better things to watch on a Sunday night these days), but people still tune in from all over the world. It's still a "big deal". People aren't tuning in for fighting though. They're tuning in for the glamour. That's why you have all these red carpet specials beforehand. People watch to see beautiful people in fancy outfits crying over a little gold statue. Faking a fight is a level that I don't think they've sunk to just yet. Give it a few years though...
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    This doesn't strike me as hard to stage at all. I'm not a tinfoil hat. I very much hate conspiracy theories, but shit like this has been staged before and we are talking about an event that has access to literally all of the world's greatest production talent. They can't fake a one minute viral moment? I'm sincerely having a hard time believing it was real
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wretchedest View Post
    This doesn't strike me as hard to stage at all.
    Maybe, but why do it? Again, people don't tune in to the Oscars to see this sort of thing. It still had the second lowest audience ever, and I don't see a bunch more people tuning in next year to see who gets slapped. It takes a big leap for me to believe that an institution like the Oscars would risk it all for something like this. I think people want to believe its fake because that's a more exciting story. You can see it unspool in your mind like a movie, and while I have a pretty vivid imagination, the whole thing just strikes me as too ludicrous to be possible. Also, considering all the other moves that the Oscars went through this time around (like cutting out several important categories), I don't see anyone saying "Hey, you know what would be a good idea? A FAKE FIGHT!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    Maybe, but why do it? Again, people don't tune in to the Oscars to see this sort of thing. It still had the second lowest audience ever, and I don't see a bunch more people tuning in next year to see who gets slapped. It takes a big leap for me to believe that an institution like the Oscars would risk it all for something like this. I think people want to believe its fake because that's a more exciting story. You can see it unspool in your mind like a movie, and while I have a pretty vivid imagination, the whole thing just strikes me as too ludicrous to be possible. Also, considering all the other moves that the Oscars went through this time around (like cutting out several important categories), I don't see anyone saying "Hey, you know what would be a good idea? A FAKE FIGHT!"
    You are right: people don't come to the Oscars for this sort of thing seemingly, they don't watch the Oscars at all any more and they're speaking about it in really dismissive and annoyed terms.

    So they need to bring things for a different audience. Like justice league, like a viral moment that magically features two of the safest figures in celebrity. Not Kanye or Chappelle, these two guys. I guarantee you if this didn't happen the Oscars would be at like a 10,000th of the hits right now. Still, few people know or care what won best picture. Hell most people talking about this probably couldn't name the movie for which smith actually won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wretchedest View Post
    like a viral moment that magically features two of the safest figures in celebrity.
    Chris Rock is hardly what I would call "safe". He's had his fair share of controversy.

    And again, there's a big leap between acknowledging crowd-pleasing films and feigning assault in front of a global audience. It's just a step too far for me to take it seriously.

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    Will Smith has way too much to lose to agree to be involved in a stunt like this.

    He fucked up, plain and simple.

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    Hahaha staged?

    All I know is if this shit was staged then they need to go ahead and give Will Smith another award because never have I seen a dude so completely controlled by his emotions. Like a puppet with strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marodi View Post
    Will Smith has way too much to lose to agree to be involved in a stunt like this.

    He fucked up, plain and simple.
    Again I'm not saying I believe 100% that it was staged but like... In this world in which we live Will Smith is impervious. It's not that he has too much to lose, it's that he has too much to face consequences. And so far, he's lost nothing so I'm not really sure how this logic holds up. You think we won't be seeing another will Smith movie in the coming years? And if we don't I guess like... He still has *hundreds of millions of dollars.*

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    All you had to do was follow Will on Instagram for a few months to acknowledge that he was flying off the rails ever since he made his insta account. It was funny for a bit until it started to feel obnoxious and like he needed the attention... I had to unfollow him after while.

    Dude has been slowly becoming unhinged, and that night at the Oscars showed the culmination of it... For me at least. He hasn't really been all that impressive with his films as of lately, so throw a biopic movie in there, and here we go.

    Focus
    Annie
    Concussion
    Suicide Squad
    Collateral Beauty
    Aladdin
    Gemini Man
    Spies in Disguise
    Bad Boys for Life

    Talk about a line of stinkers. He doesn't seem right mentally, and maybe those are questions that should be asked.


    It may not apply to everything with what Dave says in this video, but it always resonates with me. Sometimes they are simply just put through the ringer, you get odd behavior eventually.


    Rocks reaction should give you all the evidence you need to know that it wasn't staged. So, I guess Denzel and others that talked him down after the commercials hit makes them in on it as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marodi View Post
    Will Smith has way too much to lose to agree to be involved in a stunt like this.

    He fucked up, plain and simple.
    The way things are in LA he's lucky he didn't get tasered. The LAPD aren't generally known for the their benevolence. PS: I haven't seen it. I generally avoid the celebrity worship thing & the Oscars, Grammys, etc just don't interest me.

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    I don't understand why he wasn't escorted out though, at the very least.

    The joke was out of line, but that doesn't excuse the assault.

    That happens anywhere else, under any other circumstance, and the assailant is being removed by security, at the very least.

    Instead, they let him stay and then gave him an award later that night? That's not right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1ke View Post
    I don't understand why he wasn't escorted out though, at the very least.

    The joke was out of line, but that doesn't excuse the assault.

    That happens anywhere else, under any other circumstance, and the assailant is being removed by security, at the very least.

    Instead, they let him stay and then gave him an award later that night? That's not right.
    & a standing ovation.

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    Of course it's for ratings, which the Oscars have been in need of for a long time. I think it would be naive to think that the people who run all of these shows are loving the attention right now. They've been drowning, whether this was staged or not this moment is a blessing for them.

    To me it evokes the 2004 super bowl, where, to some extent it is widely believed that the "wardrobe malfunction" was largely stages, with some parties admitting to how it was planned. For what purpose? I'm not sure, to me the motive on that one seems *much* foggier, and nonetheless it seems it was at minimum partly intentional. http://www.femestella.com/janet-jack...-gate-planned/

    Again I'm not really in a place of firmly believing it was staged, and I'm happy to discuss it as if it wasn't, but the current candor of this conversation like *there's just no way* is ridiculous to me

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    Have you seen Comedian Twitter?

    This wasn’t fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wretchedest View Post
    Of course it's for ratings
    This seems to be the crux of your argument, and it's also where it falls apart. Ratings come from people watching the show. Something that happens in the middle of the show doesn't all of a sudden get a ton more people to start watching. If this was staged, it would not improve ratings at all, as anyone that wasn't watching to begin with would just watch the clips of the incident on twitter and youtube when everyone started posting them almost immediately after it happened. The idea that this was staged is completely absurd.

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    LOL, it wasn't staged. No way. Everyone thinks Will Smith is completely unhinged now, and well, I'm not going to disagree. If it was staged, they'd have made a statement clarifying that by now.

    Chris Rock made a joke about his wife's shaved head. I seriously doubt he would have made it if he knew that she was dealing with an illness. It was a light hearted joke. He probably assumed she was doing it for a role.

    ALSO.... this is the fastest i've seen a topic exhausted by endless lazy memes. Maybe a couple of these are funny, but everything right now is memes of this, on a level I've never seen before.
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    I mean the joke is essentially "woman bald lol" with reference to a forgotten movie from the 90s. There's a lot of dimension to it's badness

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    Will Smith punching Chris Rock

    i didn’t watch the show but i did think it was staged at first. it was the first thing my husband told me that morning. i was pouring my coffee and he’s like did you see about will smith? i’m like DO NOT tell me he’s dead. we don’t even watch the oscar’s (unless trent is there then i do) so him bringing it up immediately seemed like a pr stunt gone right to me. i only read about it coz we had to get out the door so i thought i was all “team will” but later i watched the clip.

    the awards show host stereotype of this age is a bully. we know they’re gonna make jokes at people’s expense and those people can’t say nothing. it’s up there in the top three reasons why i don’t watch. (1. being i don’t care and 2. i won’t see these movies for quite sometime so no spoilers).

    i don’t know why physical intimidation was the route he chose. if you’re going up there, get on the mic and say you support her in sickness. why are you hitting your old colleague? wait til your speech for the award they’re going to give you and go off! i agree with everyone who says this is a sign that he’s unhinged. people like him live in vacuums. the social media response has to be a wake up call for him.

    smith was out of line in action and i agree he should’ve been removed immediately…BUT i also understand how emotional we can be about our loved ones who are sick. watch someone you love go from healthy to sick. you feel helpless. you feel emotional. i do think there can be a lot of emotion in those family situations that isn’t recognized by hollywood. they’d rather make fun then actually write a funny joke that is maybe more meaningful than a diss. i don’t see it as “just a joke” because appearances to me aren’t funny. people are all doing what they can and we have no idea what any individual is dealing with inside their body. punching down is never funny to me personally.

    all that to say gi jane was hot and kicked ass if i remember correctly from the one time i watched in the 90s. At first, i thought rock’s joke was misunderstood because of this but really wasn’t the movie kinda a flop? and he wasn’t saying the joke in a flattering way either. that was clear.

    smith issued a well written apology. it sounds good. he apologizes to all the right people but it feels a little hollow. rich and powerful men often are able to skirt responsibility by saying sorry and not doing anything else.

    people are far too dismissive with their speech. i think i’m sensitive to these things because of my own experiences with a paraplegic father. all the times in church when i was instructed to stand up and sit down next him to somehow honor the lord always felt really weird. I didn’t even learn the significance of the word “lame” until i was an adult. i stopped using it in the years before he died because i found out it was a common term for his disability when he was growing up. we never talked about it but i am glad that i stopped using that word.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post

    ALSO.... this is the fastest i've seen a topic exhausted by endless lazy memes. Maybe a couple of these are funny, but everything right now is memes of this, on a level I've never seen before.
    ha! i made a bunch of lazy memes. i rather enjoyed it.

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    It's especially weird to me because Rock wrote, produced, and appeared in this documentary called Good Hair:




    ...which some people credit for really bringing the 'natural hair' movement into the mainstream, exploring the multi-faceted relationship Black women have to their hair, and what it broadly signifies about their relationship to the culture at large. So I'm not exactly buying the 'he didn't know what he was saying' explanation, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wretchedest View Post
    I mean the joke is essentially "woman bald lol" with reference to a forgotten movie from the 90s. There's a lot of dimension to it's badness
    That's why I would actually just call the "joke" lazy. I don't think it was intended to be a deep dig. It was just low-hanging fruit. I think he was riffing on the fly and made a dumb dig that he thought was harmless. It wasn't, it obviously upset Jada Smith, but that's where it just went off the rails. If none of this violent drama had ensued, chances are nobody would have revisited the moment at all. Now it's the biggest moment in Oscar history.

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    Why Smith was not removed: https://variety.com/2022/film/news/w...3IBdqAnRks-MtQ

    As for why he was still given the Oscar: seriously? What do you think should have happend? Samuel L. Jackson opens the envelope and says, "Well, the Oscar goes to Will Smith but we're not going to give it to him because he's a motherfucker."?

    Skip the category entirely?

    Give the Oscar to someone else? This is not Miss America, where there is a runner up. Maybe they could have looked at the other four nominees and go eeny, meeny, miny, moe? Or just say "heck, let's just give it to Denzel who is an absolutely upstanding Black man!"

    Will Smith was always going to get the golden naked dude.

    For the record, my favorite wtf moment of all time happened at the Grammys



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    everyone else had their live feed interrupted in a completely bizarre way that felt like your DVR was glitching out, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    everyone else had their live feed interrupted in a completely bizarre way that felt like your DVR was glitching out, right?
    In the US market they dumped the audio for the few seconds immediately following…is that what you mean? I think the video feed was uninterrupted throughout.

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    the video and audio on mine went nuts. Maybe just a crazy coincidence. My internet has been spotty

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