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    It's like the first and second halves of these Jurassic World movies were written for completely different audiences. The first half is written for the lovers of the original while the second half is written for those who enjoy Roland Emmerich/Michael Bay flicks. I should also add that I went in with low expectations and still felt disappointed at the end. The only emotional moment was the whole volcano eruption and watching the island we loved destroyed, but even that moment is mostly built on the original movie we know and love. Even that moment is more based on our inner younger self who experienced the very first film and those emotions associated resurfacing. During this moment, you can care less about these new characters or their situation and is kinda spoiled when Bayona pulls the T-Rex saves the day trick for the first time. These movies are too much about recreating moments than making new ones. This movie left me with no reason for wanting to see the next one. I'm kinda worried the next movie will go into that old concept artwork that leaked of an abandoned sequel idea of human/dino hybrids hunting down escaped dinosaurs. These movies have been pointing in that direction. Please god, don't. I'm worried the next movie will have a bigger time jump and I swear if the next movie is called Jurassic World: Chaos Effect, I will be nowhere near it. I couldn't help be reminded of that crappy Jurassic Park: Chaos Effect toyline from Kenner they put out just after The Lost World toyline featuring genetically mutated dinosaurs. I had an ah-ha moment in the theater yesterday where I was like "Oh my god, these movies have become the Chaos Effect toyline that I f $%king loathed so much when I was a kid!" Even the Indoraptor kinda looks like one of the mutated dino toys. Please lord, no dino-human hybrids, please.
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    Considering how surprisingly good the World reboot was in 2015 you'd think they wouldn't try bothering with another but then you realize if something is successful it will be milked. I have next to no interest in Fallen Kingdom and general consensus is that it is bad so I am not surprised. I'll stick with the miraculous World reboot and ignore the one out now.

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    Personally I thought this was a lot better than Jurassic World, and my favourite of the sequels to date.

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    Despite my gripes with it I have to say that myself. Way more great moments than in the first one. That Treverov is returning has me very worried acutally... can't stand the guy.

    And am I the only one who thinks that Howard got a terrible plastic surgeon inbetween those two movies? Good god...
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    :Spoilers:


    The budget for this movie was about 170 mil, and all the dinos being sold added up to almost that same amount. 5 million or whatever for a fucking dinosaur??? The screenplay is trash, there is no added depth to Owen...he is just there to be awesome and bad ass, the new characters are atrocious and annoying, and do not even get me started with the little girl bullshit. If her eye turned into a dino eye after that close up I was going to walk out. Unnecessary callbacks to the first film, Ian Malcolm always being right... It seems like a filler movie just to set up the next film.

    I thought Jurassic World looked dumb and it proved me a bit wrong with enjoying that film a little bit more than I thought I would. Going into this film with no expectations and still coming out severely pissed and disappointed makes me even less excited for the next one. What a bomb.

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    I just realized... being born in the 80s / coming of age in the 90s... Jurassic Park is my Star Wars. It's also the better movie. The sequels and reboots sucked, though. Now if they'd make the novels into a mini series kinda thing... that would be awesome...

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    pretty funny review
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louie_Cypher View Post
    pretty funny review
    -Louie
    I have about 10 more minutes of that to watch, but that guy NAILS a lot of what makes this move garbage for me. People say "who cares, it was fun, that's what matters," but these writers...Guys, did the old movies happen, or not? Why do we have to sacrifice logic for funsies? Why should they get a free pass for bad writing just because "oh man at least that part was cool whoa lol." You can have humor that makes sense in-world. Events can happen that make sense in-world. You can actually have your big dinosaur chase and not have it make absolutely ZERO sense as to why it's happening.

    AND IDGAF IF THIS COUNTS AS A SPOILER: WHY THE FLYING FUCK WOULD YOU TELL SOMEONE WHO IS DOING ILLEGAL SHIT "HEY. YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL. I WOULD CALL THE POLICE MYSELF, BUT YOU SHOULD CALL THE POLICE ON YOURSELF INSTEAD, EVIL SUIT MAN." Wait, what do you mean that didn't work?!?

    For fuck's sake. That's like telling someone who broke into your house and killed your dog "hey buddy, call the cops on yourself RIGHT NOW, you jerk!" Fucking awful.

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    So yeah, I really enjoyed it. Key points:

    • There are a couple of parts which hit straight in the feels.
    • Numerous setpieces are memorable, and the action's generally well done. There's not a lot of Spielbergian restraint and patience, but like Jurassic World it's edge-of-seat and naturally carries a lot of momentum. The film's pacing works really well.
    • What really makes this film work where JW didn't is how real and tangible the animals feel. Animatronics are back, and heavy use is made of them - these are creatures that can be touched and interacted with. I can't stress enough how much this makes you care about the animals, and it's really the heart of the film. Of course there's CGI too, and there's usually enough darkness or obstruction to keep the rendering on the right side of the uncanny valley, with plausible camera shots for the most part. (My pet peeve with CG is that directors tend to shoot angles that would risk destroying their equipment if the subject was physical.)
    • There's a sense of humour to the film as well as a heart, but usually not at the same time. The laughs usually came out of creative dispatching of cannon fodder characters, and the heart... Well, if you care at all about animals, you'll get it.
    • It has a bit of a message too, along those lines. Maybe a familiar one, but one that's worth making.
    • The new characters tend to be stereotypes, but Owen and Claire are a lot of fun, and I liked the other new protagonists too. The baddies are cardboard cutouts, but honestly? To me it felt plausible, and current. We're living in the world of Dieselgate, of nerve agents in heavily populated cities, of politicians sanctioning the destruction of ecosystems, of massive lobbying bodies spreading disinformation about climate change. There are plenty of real-world cardboard cutout villains who value financial or political profit over ethics, even over human life, and they've been making a lot of headlines recently.

    Nitpicks? A few.

    • I wish they hadn't given away so much in the trailers and promo material. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of stuff in the film that isn't online, but there was a regular sense of familiarity through the first hour in particular.
    • One movie trope that really needs to die is for predators to roar constantly. JW was deeply guilty of this, and with Fallen Kingdom it's getting pretty ridiculous. Question, folks: do you roar at your sandwich before trying to eat it? Spoiler: This goes double for the Indoraptor, which is a decent design with fantastic animation, and could actually have been pretty scary... if they'd kept it quiet.
    • Relating to that, the dubious grasp on science and animal behaviour that's increasingly dogged the sequels remains present. Spoiler: Such as that other worn-out movie trope, in which predators always want to eat/fight all the time, above all other priorities. Running from a volcano, but see something fleshy you might be able to bite? Well why not, stop and have a go, it only means a greatly higher likelihood of getting fried to death by steaming magma. On the subject of which, a pyroclastic flow travels at up to 700kmh, so Owen must be one hell of a runner. And possibly coated in asbestos.
    • The last one, which is particularly grating as a prehistory enthusiast... I've deliberately avoided saying the word "dinosaur" before now, because y'know, they kind of aren't. Jurassic Park introduced the world to the revolutionary new findings about dinosaurs, showing millions of people something they'd never seen before and creating a new generation of future scientists. There've been huge developments in the last 25 years too (or even the 17 since JP3), but not only did Jurassic World's makers have no interest in conveying it, they doubled down by explaining in-film that they aren't supposed to be convincing dinosaurs. In a dinosaur movie. Fallen Kingdom inherits these problems, which was to be expected I guess. And the new additions are less troublesome, to be fair, but it's still a real shame. One thing I will say is that I got used to it this time around, but not sure if that's a good thing...

    As you can probably tell from that last point, I was kind of primed to hate this film. I've never loved any of the Jurassic sequels, particularly JW, despite the original film being a formative experience and still one of my favourites ever made.

    And yet, I loved Fallen Kingdom. Made me sniffle a couple of times, made me laugh a couple of times too. It was really fun, one of the better blockbusters of the last few years for me.

    So, my favourite Jurassic sequel. Easy 8/10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louie_Cypher View Post
    pretty funny review
    Amazing review! Dead on

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    Jurassic World is The Force Awakens while Fallen Kingdom is The Last Jedi of the Jurassic Park saga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neorev View Post
    Jurassic World is The Force Awakens while Fallen Kingdom is The Last Jedi of the Jurassic Park saga.
    I'd say Jurassic World is half TLJ while Fallen Kingdom is full TLJ.

    You never go full TLJ.

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    One of the worst movies I've ever paid to see.

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    another case of franchising because you have an IP the IP well is starting to run dry wonder where they will turn next which scares me.
    -louie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertigo View Post
    • The last one, which is particularly grating as a prehistory enthusiast... I've deliberately avoided saying the word "dinosaur" before now, because y'know, they kind of aren't. Jurassic Park introduced the world to the revolutionary new findings about dinosaurs, showing millions of people something they'd never seen before and creating a new generation of future scientists. There've been huge developments in the last 25 years too (or even the 17 since JP3), but not only did Jurassic World's makers have no interest in conveying it, they doubled down by explaining in-film that they aren't supposed to be convincing dinosaurs. In a dinosaur movie. Fallen Kingdom inherits these problems, which was to be expected I guess. And the new additions are less troublesome, to be fair, but it's still a real shame. One thing I will say is that I got used to it this time around, but not sure if that's a good thing...
    They are just dumb monster movies. I still remember how the team of the first movie were bragging so much (and rightfully so, to a degree) because that was the first one with a strong emphasis on the dinosaur knowledge available at the time. Well, look at how it went.

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    Saw it yesterday with zero expectation and throughly enjoyed it. Definitely more than JW1.

    Felt a bit like a remake of The Lost World a bit though...

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    just got home from seeing it. the dinos & chris pratt ok. horrible script & bryce howard couldn't act her way out of a paper bag.

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