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    Okay... so after my grump about I Can't Read '97 I'm sufficiently cheered by the latest Is It Any Wonder? material. Baby Universal '97, Nuts and Stay '97 are all a bit more like it! I've not heard the Clownboy mixes of Fun, but knowing Danny Saber is on the mix then I'll assume it is suitably electronic.
    As for TMWSTW '95 - it is a great recording and I guess just about rare enough to warrant inclusion. Might actually be tempted to pick up a CD for the first time in like forever. I do wonder what the motivation is for doing a release like this though... have they given up with the boxsets now? I'm not a collector so don't bother buying them, but I'm hoping for a lot more 90s material to appear digitally... my collection is missing a few edits and mixes from the Earthling era which I hoped would appear on a Re:call disc. I'd also be very keen on some Earthling era live material... an official recording of O Superman would make my decade.

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    David Bowie

    Is there any where to buy this in FLAC? Debating ordering the CD (ha) just to get lossless files.

    Edit: well I ordered the CD.
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    I want lossless too, but no preorders for it at the usual haunts. I suspect it'll show up at HDtracks on release day. Nabbed the LP, though, and happy it doesn't have the ChangesNowBowie track.

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    Both record store day releases are going to be available on CD. Nice!

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    I know, I know...it's a picture disc, but I'm 100% getting this when it drops next month.

    I mean come on...


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    ^ While picture discs are rarely what I'm after (sound quality usually leaves a lot to be desired)... I'm just glad they're not reissuing the horrendous 2015 remaster from the Five Years box set anymore with all the digital glitches, and have instead reverted to the 40th Anniversary one that EMI did for the original mixes.

    I'm guessing the album master is too damaged to do any more transfers, which is a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    ^ While picture discs are rarely what I'm after (sound quality usually leaves a lot to be desired)... I'm just glad they're not reissuing the horrendous 2015 remaster from the Five Years box set anymore with all the digital glitches, and have instead reverted to the 40th Anniversary one that EMI did for the original mixes.

    I'm guessing the album master is too damaged to do any more transfers, which is a shame.
    I was wondering about this. The Conversation Piece boxset from last year also uses the 2009 master

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricil View Post
    I was wondering about this. The Conversation Piece boxset from last year also uses the 2009 master
    Do you mean the single of the whole album?
    Because Conversation Piece includes all-new 2019 remix of the album and it sounds super different, with Bowie's vocals much deeper in the mix but all the instruments brought up.

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    "2019 mix" uses some different takes of almost every song, too. Haven't read any media about it, is the consensus "yay" or "nay"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenAkenobi View Post
    "2019 mix" uses some different takes of almost every song, too. Haven't read any media about it, is the consensus "yay" or "nay"?
    I don't know about the media, but the 2019 mix was a big yay for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    Do you mean the single of the whole album?
    Because Conversation Piece includes all-new 2019 remix of the album and it sounds super different, with Bowie's vocals much deeper in the mix but all the instruments brought up.
    The conversation piece box set includes the entire 2009 mastered version of the album as well as the 2019 Visconti mix.

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    Not sure if this was shared at the time. My headphones just got a 360 audio update and this was what they linked me along with the Space Oddity album:



    Last edited by Jon; 03-18-2020 at 10:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    Not sure if this was shared at the time. My headphones just got a 360 audio update and this was what they linked me along with the Space Oddity album:



    That’s so weird to me. It’s just left and right speakers, right?

    This and “surround headphones” seem like audio snake oil.

    That said, let me know how it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricil View Post
    That’s so weird to me. It’s just left and right speakers, right?

    This and “surround headphones” seem like audio snake oil.

    That said, let me know how it is.
    This is probably going to sound silly, but a fair comparison would be Freddie Mercury vocals. Certain sound elements seem to come from everywhere. Instead of the vocals feeling "up-front" they feel "on-top". From the jump, you're getting an audio experience that simulates more expensive headphones with a wider soundstage. The space gives the illusion that you're listening to the recording live, as it's being recorded. I've had great results with jazz and ambient music, while rock has been a mixed bag.

    It's definitely snake oil of some kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricil View Post
    That’s so weird to me. It’s just left and right speakers, right?

    This and “surround headphones” seem like audio snake oil.

    That said, let me know how it is.
    you can use phasing and certain EQ methods to give sound a more thee-dimensional feel. sometimes when i'm mixing, especially on headphones, if i EQ something a particular way, it seems to sit below the other instruments, or behind my ears. i always try to make it so the vocals feel like they're coming either from far away, up in a distant cave (using a shit ton of reverb), or i'm literally screaming in your face (or there's two of me, one screaming on each side of your head). now, applying that to music that has already been mixed without those intentions? that's why @Jon is having better luck with things like jazz, because jazz is usually mixed with a lot of separation between the instruments. when that's the case, it becomes easier to spatially orient them post-mixing.

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    Does anyone know where I can find a download of the most recent release of NIN/Bowie Back In Anger bootleg? If I remember correctly, the recent bootleg vinyl releases were a better version than the initial soundboard recording but I could be wrong. If anyone is willing to share a link to the best quality version of the show (both sets) that would be amazing -- I believe it is the 10/11/95 MO show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reznor2112 View Post
    Does anyone know where I can find a download of the most recent release of NIN/Bowie Back In Anger bootleg? If I remember correctly, the recent bootleg vinyl releases were a better version than the initial soundboard recording but I could be wrong. If anyone is willing to share a link to the best quality version of the show (both sets) that would be amazing -- I believe it is the 10/11/95 MO show.
    Sign up for bowiestation.com and grab it here (also includes Prick's opening set!). Then grab everything else!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reznor2112 View Post
    Does anyone know where I can find a download of the most recent release of NIN/Bowie Back In Anger bootleg? If I remember correctly, the recent bootleg vinyl releases were a better version than the initial soundboard recording but I could be wrong. If anyone is willing to share a link to the best quality version of the show (both sets) that would be amazing -- I believe it is the 10/11/95 MO show.
    I bought that silver Cd set, it's cheap on ebay. it's not so great however, looks mp3 sourced + they managed the fuck up the end by switching the order of the last two songs + some of the banter is duplicated too. I am assuming the live hate boot remains the best option, i downloaded that many years ago and I think it's better overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armogi View Post
    I bought that silver Cd set, it's cheap on ebay. it's not so great however, looks mp3 sourced + they managed the fuck up the end by switching the order of the last two songs + some of the banter is duplicated too. I am assuming the live hate boot remains the best option, i downloaded that many years ago and I think it's better overall.
    Nah, the source I linked is a bit perfect transfer from the master DAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Nah, the source I linked is a bit perfect transfer from the master DAT.
    sorry i'm not on bowiestation to check your link, is that the source you are refering to? Source: Mono SBD > XLR > DBX 160XT (leveling) > Sony TCD-D8 > TDK DC4-90 (16/48) 450mb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armogi View Post
    sorry i'm not on bowiestation to check your link, is that the source you are refering to? Source: Mono SBD > XLR > DBX 160XT (leveling) > Sony TCD-D8 > TDK DC4-90 (16/48) 450mb.
    Yes and the Bowiestation transfer is a bit-for-bit digital rip of that source (with some editing/leveling in the digital realm). I think Live Hate has another step to analogue and back again in the lineage.

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    It’s also on ninlive

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricil View Post
    It’s also on ninlive
    Just NIN/TR's portion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Just NIN/TR's portion.
    Both were I thought. Never mind!

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    I just looked at what's on ninlive and it says "Complete with David Bowie's set as well."
    http://ninlive.com/shows/1995/19951011.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by piggy View Post
    I just looked at what's on ninlive and it says "Complete with David Bowie's set as well."
    http://ninlive.com/shows/1995/19951011.html
    That's not accurate; at least not for the link actually provided.

    People — just get a torrent client and go to Bowiestation.

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    The download on ninlive has been updated with all the Bowie tracks. It's now the complete show in ideal quality.

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    Anybody here bought the CD version of Is It Any Wonder?
    I bought the vinyl and there's no lossless digital version available.
    I'd really appreciate if someone had a lossless rip of the CD.

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