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    If LimpBizkits Significant Other hadnt been released howd the 00s have been different

    A hypothetical look at alternative history, if the most ground-breaking, game-changing, consequential album of the late 90s had never been released.

    Imagine an alternative universe where Fred Durst gets a job at Applebees and decides that cooking is his true passion and doesn't pursue music. The Jacksonville scene still exists, it's just that Limp Bizkit was never a band and Significant Other is not released in the spring of 1999. The floodgates for nu metal rock bands like Korn and Linkin park aren't opened, or for alt.rock bands like Deftones, etc.

    What would the 00's have looked like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reznor2112 View Post
    Oh shit, people think we live in a dark timeline now, just imagine Gwen Sefani directing a movie where Travolta plays a deranged fan...

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    This thread rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom View Post
    i would honestly hang that on my wall. i love it.

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    So we're assuming that Limp Bizkit paved the way for Korn's popularity? That doesn't sound right.

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    They have TRL to thank

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    If Lou Reed & Metallica's Lulu hadn't been released? How would the '10s have been different?

    A hypothetical look at alternative history, if the best album Lou ever made had never been released.

    Imagine an alternate universe, where Lars Ulrich decided that his true passion wasn't drumming, but being repeatedly stamped in the face by a jackboot, forever. And Lou Reed worked at Applebee's, for some reason. Metallica still exists, it's just that people aren't embarrassed to be a Velvet Underground fan anymore because the most bizarre and inexplicable pairing of musical titans hadn't been launched into an open floodgate of merciless ridicule in the fall of 2011 from Pitchfork, Consequence of Sound, MetalLouder, DoucheBroWorld, Echoing the Sound, etc.

    What would the '10s have looked like?

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    I hate Limp Dickshit as much as the next guy on this forum but I thought the other thread with Nevermind meant what cultural impact would’ve happened had it not been released. I don’t feel that Significant Other has any mainstream crossover appeal or cultural impact to change half a year, let alone a decade.

    This is probably a joke thread but yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    I hate Limp Dickshit as much as the next guy on this forum but I thought the other thread with Nevermind meant what cultural impact would’ve happened had it not been released. I don’t feel that Significant Other has any mainstream crossover appeal or cultural impact to change half a year, let alone a decade.

    This is probably a joke thread but yeah.
    A - Limp Bizkit is, at worst, super fun and, at best, responsible for multiple really good songs.
    B - To say they weren't influential on the musical landscape in one way or another would be incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony.parente View Post
    A hypothetical look at alternative history, if the most ground-breaking, game-changing, consequential album of the late 90s had never been released.

    Imagine an alternative universe where Fred Durst gets a job at Applebees and decides that cooking is his true passion and doesn't pursue music. The Jacksonville scene still exists, it's just that Limp Bizkit was never a band and Significant Other is not released in the spring of 1999. The floodgates for nu metal rock bands like Korn and Linkin park aren't opened, or for alt.rock bands like Deftones, etc.

    What would the 00's have looked like?
    Ha! Well played sir! I don't mind my balls being busted in good fun. You do understand that as I have been at home for like 7 weeks from work, a lot of mental energy is spent on hypotheticals at 3:00 am while watching hours of retro commercials and Dragnet while eating cold pizza with nothing to go to bed and wake up for, with no end in sight.

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    I don't think limp Bizkit is actually that influential outside of maybe Linkin Park. If anything, there influence is in putting to rest the rap rock experiment.

    Their style can easily be traced back to Korn which itself can debatably be traced back to Deftones, the nu-metal band that overall aged the least comically.

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    Okay, some thoughts:

    Fred Durst epitomized the hyper-masculine, insensitive, misogynistic young man of the late 90's/early 2000's. 2000 was an election year. While Al Gore won the popular vote (and probably really won Florida and won in the electoral college too), George W. Bush "won" the election. A lot of voters, particularly men saw George W. Bush as "the guy that they would like to have a beer with." Now, say that Fred Durst had not been an influential figure in the late 90's/early 00's, with legions of brahs and frat boys wearing backwards red baseball hats? Imagine there had been no Fred Durst, Significant Other or Limp Bizkit? In this alternate reality, the entire zeitgeist of the year 2000 is different. Now, a small but sizable number of men, because they are more sensitive and less drawn to hyper-masculine men, choose Gore over Bush. A few thousand men in Florida choose Gore over Bush (Bush "won" Florida by 537 votes). The absence of Limp Bizkit from the American psyche gives the election to Al Gore.

    Because Al Gore is president, 911 is avoided because his administration takes briefings about terrorists attacks seriously. The years 2001-2009 are a golden age for America. Climate change is a top priority and millions of new jobs in renewable energy are created. There is a renaissance in the arts and sciences, and by 2004 there are flying cars that can run on water. Because human civilization with America leading under President Gore is so enlightened, extra terrestrials decide to make First Contact. By 2009 the Earth is now part of a United Federation of Planets and humans are given advanced technology and can now cure AIDS and cancer and begin their exploration of the universe.

    All of this would have happened if Significant Other had never been released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    If Lou Reed & Metallica's Lulu hadn't been released? How would the '10s have been different?

    A hypothetical look at alternative history, if the best album Lou ever made had never been released.

    Imagine an alternate universe, where Lars Ulrich decided that his true passion wasn't drumming, but being repeatedly stamped in the face by a jackboot, forever. And Lou Reed worked at Applebee's, for some reason. Metallica still exists, it's just that people aren't embarrassed to be a Velvet Underground fan anymore because the most bizarre and inexplicable pairing of musical titans hadn't been launched into an open floodgate of merciless ridicule in the fall of 2011 from Pitchfork, Consequence of Sound, MetalLouder, DoucheBroWorld, Echoing the Sound, etc.

    What would the '10s have looked like?
    I liked LuLu, it's a cool album and I will stand by that until the day I die, am cremated, and have my ashes flushed down the toilet at Applebees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    i would honestly hang that on my wall. i love it.
    This is the future if Everything had been a huge viral hit and a #1 single across the world

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    I know one thing, Cole Porter is spinning in his grave wishing he had written "Nookie."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GulDukat View Post
    You do understand that as I have been at home for like 7 weeks from work, a lot of mental energy is spent on hypotheticals at 3:00 am while watching hours of retro commercials and Dragnet while eating cold pizza with nothing to go to bed and wake up for, with no end in sight.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post


    Wow, I honestly haven't heard either of those songs this century. Lyrics of the second song are especially appalling--nice job of being both misogynistic and self-pitying.

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    The titles applied to your (and many of our) current plight. But yes the lyrics are pretty gross. Stuck kicks ass though if you can ignore the dumb shit he says.

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    LB is actually pretty amazing musically. Everyone loves Wes, but Otto is a crazy-skilled drummer. Fred had a decent voice and, had his lyrics not been so (mostly) terrible, they probably wouldn't be quite so hated.

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    What if Kevin Federline's Playing With Fire had never been released?

    A hypothetical look at alternative history, if the most ground-breaking, game-changing, consequential album of the mid-to-late 00s had never been released.


    Imagine an alternative universe where Kevin Federline gets a job at Applebees and decides that cooking is his true passion and doesn't pursue music. The shitty white rapper poseur scene still exists, it's just that Kevin Federline was never a rapper and Playing with Fire is not released in the fall of 2006. The floodgates for...IDK... aren't opened, or for alt. uh...What would the 00's have looked like?

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    It started off innocent enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by ickyvicky View Post
    They have TRL to thank
    And payola

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    Linkin Park's squeaky clean nu-metal jams would have been even huger, since Limp Bizkit sounds like the foul mouthed precursor version of them.

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    Poor Wes. He likes all these cool bands like NIN and Mr Bungle and is a highly skilled guitar player and deep down wishes he was in one of those bands....Yet he plays guitar in the biggest trash band to come out of the last 40 years....so he somehow has to try and regain his cred to his cool musician friends like Danny Lohner, even though everyone snickers behind his back that he plays in Limp Bizkit. Now I understand why he wears disguises on stage every night to cover his face.......Wes shoulda accepted Trents offer to join NIN back in 05 (if that rumor was true)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    Poor Wes. He likes all these cool bands like NIN and Mr Bungle and is a highly skilled guitar player and deep down wishes he was in one of those bands....Yet he plays guitar in the biggest trash band to come out of the last 40 years....so he somehow has to try and regain his cred to his cool musician friends like Danny Lohner, even though everyone snickers behind his back that he plays in Limp Bizkit. Now I understand why he wears disguises on stage every night to cover his face.......Wes shoulda accepted Trents offer to join NIN back in 05 (if that rumor was true)
    A band is more than the songs they write. They need to get on with each other. Maybe Fred and Wes are just really great friends.

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    Limp Bizkit were a very small (and embarrassing) blip on the radar.

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    Just like everything else in the Nu Metal genre, they were fairly short-lived. However, what many in this thread are forgetting is that for that brief time, Limp Bizkit were the biggest band in the world. They enjoyed enormous amounts of MTV and radio play. Concerts were heaving masses of bodies all jumping in unison like a tidal wave.

    Here's a hot take. It's possible that they would have continued with several more years of success and may even still be a household name if Wes Borland hadn't left the band to form his own musical projects (Big Dumb Face, Eat the Day, Black Light Burns, etc). Chocolate Starfish was LB at the height of their popularity and they simply couldn't deliver after that without Borland's input. By the time he rejoined, it was already too late; the bubble had burst.

    Might have also helped if Durst wasn't such an arsehole.

    I will say that although the genre has been ridiculed for years, Nu Metal has returned in full force over the past few years. Korn's The Nothing, Slipknot's WANYK, and new acts like Poppy and (arguably) Babymetal have all done pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GulDukat View Post
    Okay, some thoughts:

    Fred Durst epitomized the hyper-masculine, insensitive, misogynistic young man of the late 90's/early 2000's. 2000 was an election year. While Al Gore won the popular vote (and probably really won Florida and won in the electoral college too), George W. Bush "won" the election. A lot of voters, particularly men saw George W. Bush as "the guy that they would like to have a beer with." Now, say that Fred Durst had not been an influential figure in the late 90's/early 00's, with legions of brahs and frat boys wearing backwards red baseball hats? Imagine there had been no Fred Durst, Significant Other or Limp Bizkit? In this alternate reality, the entire zeitgeist of the year 2000 is different. Now, a small but sizable number of men, because they are more sensitive and less drawn to hyper-masculine men, choose Gore over Bush. A few thousand men in Florida choose Gore over Bush (Bush "won" Florida by 537 votes). The absence of Limp Bizkit from the American psyche gives the election to Al Gore.

    Because Al Gore is president, 911 is avoided because his administration takes briefings about terrorists attacks seriously. The years 2001-2009 are a golden age for America. Climate change is a top priority and millions of new jobs in renewable energy are created. There is a renaissance in the arts and sciences, and by 2004 there are flying cars that can run on water. Because human civilization with America leading under President Gore is so enlightened, extra terrestrials decide to make First Contact. By 2009 the Earth is now part of a United Federation of Planets and humans are given advanced technology and can now cure AIDS and cancer and begin their exploration of the universe.

    All of this would have happened if Significant Other had never been released.
    On a similar note:

    The Buffalo Bills barely lost a game in 1970 by missing on a bad pass for a touchdown. The loss allowed them to get the first pick in the draft, where they took OJ Simpson. OJ lived in Buffalo, where he met his wife Nicole. And then allegedly killed her. He then hired Robert Kardashian to be his lawyer. They won the case, making the Kardashians somewhat famous. Then Kim drops a sex tape and becomes famous. So basically the 1970 Buffalo Bills are the reason we have to deal with the Kardashians today.
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