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    Quote Originally Posted by WingWalker View Post
    Could well be. He messed up Zick Zack last year during the first few shows then it all worked well.

    During the LIFAD rehearsal bow Richard again needed to support himself on Flake. Guess his back is still giving him problems.
    They should change it up so Till wears the insane asylum outfit when they perform the song. Missed opportunity!

    Speaking of physicality, I was paying particular attention to Flake in that Angst video… has he ever said what made him decide to use that treadmill live? To keep him moving? Since the other band members get very physical and keyboardists typically just stand there? Moreover, doesn’t it ever make him exhausted? Are there any instances where he has tripped over on it? Or does he stop using it and turns it off at a certain point during the show?

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    @Erneuert more clips of Angst have now been released; the video display shows a stick figure in place of the cheerleaders. (It would have been EPIC if the Ramm LED dancers had done that haka dance during the RZK remix!) Images of Angst Dictator Till are also shown during the choruses.

    The given reason for Flake's treadmill is that he got bored and wanted something to do instead of just standing there. He talks quite a bit about the treadmill in "It's the World's Birthday Today," including how Oliver was able to run on the treadmill and play bass at the same time. It's a fun book, if you've not read it already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erneuert View Post
    oh dear…
    Personally I don't believe Till Lindemann would drug girls to get in their pants, enough want him already.

    Her narrative seems two events: the encounter in the understage room during the RZK remix, and whatever the "pre-party" was. If Till was supposedly so angry that she said no, why would he have included her in the "pre-party" (What is that? No Meet and Greets this tour. There's an afterparty, then the private TL parties.) If another girl verifies the Redditor's story, that's another matter, and should be investigated.

    Honestly, what R+ fan doesn't know what Row 0 is by now? It was even brought up last year in the LIFAD forums. It's said that Till does indeed hook up with some of the girls, but not every time, and it seems linked to his alcohol intake. On the other hand, Joe Letz is Till's new assistant (and Lindemann band director). And Joe's had more than a few rumours about him over the years.
    Last edited by WingWalker; 05-22-2023 at 11:43 PM. Reason: Corrected "band manager" to "band director"

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    It keeps getting worse. Rammstein's potentially got a BIG problem here. https://www.reddit.com/r/Rammstein/comments/13qxd5v/seeking_truth/


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    Quote Originally Posted by WingWalker View Post
    And Joe's had more than a few rumours about him over the years.
    I used to have Joe on my FB and started to see some shit, i remember there was a blackface incident and there was definitely some photo i remembered that was posted where he was wearing a horse head mask and some girl was blowing him. (no idea if it was consensual or not but i mention it since it speaks to his character)

    I wouldn't put it past Joe Letz fucking around.

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    Supposedly Richard called him out several years ago for feeling up an intoxicated groupie. And I remember the blackface incident - think that's what got him fired from Combichrist.

    Between Anar Reiband, Alena Makeeva, Danny Uhlmann and Joe - Till sure has an interesting coterie of acquaintances.

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    Man this is fucked
    Joe looks like a cunt

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaneSax View Post
    Man this is fucked
    Joe looks like a cunt
    But the Ramms have known about Till's under the stage hook-ups since 2019, they know what Alena and Danny do regarding the after-parties, and despite Joe Letz's sleazy reputation he was Richard's assistant last year and now Till's. They have no excuse, whether this allegation proves to be true or not, this whole scenario was a PR disaster waiting to happen. This Row 0 stuff needs to stop NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WingWalker View Post
    But the Ramms have known about Till's under the stage hook-ups since 2019, they know what Alena and Danny do regarding the after-parties, and despite Joe Letz's sleazy reputation he was Richard's assistant last year and now Till's. They have no excuse, whether this allegation proves to be true or not, this whole scenario was a PR disaster waiting to happen. This Row 0 stuff needs to stop NOW.
    Agree that Row Zero is disgusting and needs to stop especially for a band whose members are old enough to be grandfathers

    more updates on Shelby’s IG & twitter
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    Quite funny that RZK/Emigrate re-recorded Hypothetical to forget the version with Manson after his accusations when these sorta shit is going on in the Rammstein camp

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    Whether or not Shelby's allegations are eventually proved true, the real question is: why does the handsome frontman for arguably the biggest live band around now need a crew getting him women? Bands have always had people picking hot girls for afterparties, but Till's crew seem to be primarily looking for a very specific type of girl for him personally, even outside of the shows. There have been credible stories about Till's manager or bodyguard approaching women saying Till would like to meet them - while the man himself is sitting a few meters away watching. Can you imagine Lemmy or even Trent back in the day needing someone to get them girls? Is Till really that shy?

    Tl;dr: there's something wrong with Till Lindemann.

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    Jesus christ, this is terrible. I'm shocked about Joey because he's been all "I'm sober now, look at me being better! Look at my beautiful girlfriend!" for a while now. I guess it's all just an image.

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    https://www.reddit.com/r/Rammstein/c...on_megathread/

    some interesting stuff and first hand fan pov of what happened which seem to indicate Shelby is lying

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    holy shit, I came in here to see if there was any talk about Till taking the spill off the stage...jesus christ. <grandpa simpson bart in the brothel dot gif>

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    If Shelby's story is true (and it will be tough to prove), she made a mistake in going to Reddit rather than collecting evidence THEN going public. She had people helping her in Vilnius; so make a police report, take blood & urine samples, repeat when you get back home. Come forward when you receive the results. Right now she can only prove she was at the show. Since phones were collected during the TL private party, there's no proof of anything that may have happened. Personally I DO believe that many of these circulating stories are true, they have too much in common and enough variables to not be fake. I do not for a moment believe Till spiked any drinks. However, if the alcool WAS spiked by someone, and he too drank it, that would definitely explain the mess-ups during Giftig and Angst. (Could also simply be New Songs Performed For First Time On Tour syndrome.)

    That Till gets off during the Deutschland RMX is true and well known. He filmed one encounter for the Lindemann outro. One hopes the 2 minutes in that dark, noisy cubbyhole under the stage was the best time in his various partner's lives. "Let's do it quick" indeed.
    @ickyvicky Not a single person in the various Reddit threads or in any other R+ forum I've visited has had a single good thing to say about Joe. Not one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WingWalker View Post
    Whether or not Shelby's allegations are eventually proved true, the real question is: why does the handsome frontman for arguably the biggest live band around now need a crew getting him women? Bands have always had people picking hot girls for afterparties, but Till's crew seem to be primarily looking for a very specific type of girl for him personally, even outside of the shows. There have been credible stories about Till's manager or bodyguard approaching women saying Till would like to meet them - while the man himself is sitting a few meters away watching. Can you imagine Lemmy or even Trent back in the day needing someone to get them girls? Is Till really that shy?

    Tl;dr: there's something wrong with Till Lindemann.
    To be fair, this is a very common practice in the music scene. Rock stars don't want to have to go meet women and make a human connection with them and find out if they're interested in spending some alone time with them. They want an employee to do that work for them. That of course is in no way condoning that behavior, but it's standard practice whether we agree with it or not.

    But also yes, there is probably something wrong with the guy who made that Till The End video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaneSax View Post
    Quite funny that RZK/Emigrate re-recorded Hypothetical to forget the version with Manson after his accusations when these sorta shit is going on in the Rammstein camp
    He re-recorded for the same reason Combichrist fired Joe Letz and Marilyn Manson fired Jeordie/Twiggy.


    Quote Originally Posted by WingWalker View Post
    Whether or not Shelby's allegations are eventually proved true, the real question is: why does the handsome frontman for arguably the biggest live band around now need a crew getting him women? Bands have always had people picking hot girls for afterparties, but Till's crew seem to be primarily looking for a very specific type of girl for him personally, even outside of the shows. There have been credible stories about Till's manager or bodyguard approaching women saying Till would like to meet them - while the man himself is sitting a few meters away watching. Can you imagine Lemmy or even Trent back in the day needing someone to get them girls? Is Till really that shy?

    Tl;dr: there's something wrong with Till Lindemann.
    It's not about being shy or not, it's about power. Whatever being on "art" or not, it's pretty clear that since Rammstein returned Till made it explicit that most of the time he see women as nothing more than sex objects so it's not worth for him to make some effort if he can pay someone to do it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadflax View Post
    To be fair, this is a very common practice in the music scene. Rock stars don't want to have to go meet women and make a human connection with them and find out if they're interested in spending some alone time with them. They want an employee to do that work for them. That of course is in no way condoning that behavior, but it's standard practice whether we agree with it or not.

    But also yes, there is probably something wrong with the guy who made that Till The End video.
    this sounds suspiciously like something I heard from a very orange man over the last week or so.

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    @Toadflax I'm absolutely not doubting your word, but it makes me shake the head. Even in casual situations, a rock star can't say hello to a pretty girl himself but needs his manager to do so? Even not looking for a hook-up, just the company of a pretty girl, one can't get off one's 57 year-old ass, walk one's 57 year-old legs over and say hello? He's already exposed by being in public in a big city. This is in Russian; basically the girl says she recognized Till, noticed him watching her then a few seconds later his manager came up and told her "Till wants to meet you": https://www.instagram.com/p/CRnGkFNH...dium=copy_link

    There are other tales of Till's bodyguard Danny (now former, heard he no longer works for Till) doing the same thing with TL standing right there.

    At least there are no stories of Till forcing himself on anyone. It seems that to him No really does mean No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WingWalker View Post
    @Toadflax I'm absolutely not doubting your word, but it makes me shake the head. Even in casual situations, a rock star can't say hello to a pretty girl himself but needs his manager to do so? Even not looking for a hook-up, just the company of a pretty girl, one can't get off one's 57 year-old ass, walk one's 57 year-old legs over and say hello? He's already exposed by being in public in a big city. This is in Russian; basically the girl says she recognized Till, noticed him watching her then a few seconds later his manager came up and told her "Till wants to meet you":
    Itís not that they canít; itís that they donít want to. Some celebrities are entitled and think they deserve that kind of treatment, while others are get used to it because of how normalized it is.

    Again, I am in no way condoning this.

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    @firewlker @Toadflax Power and entitlement. You've both probably summed up the real issues behind all of this mess in those two words.

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    This is like the Manson thing on steroids and with a plethora of damning evidence to back it all up. Has anyone seen that Till the End thing? Someone linked it to the reddit - so messed up. That alone should get this dude locked up. How is this dude not cancelled?

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    It's a horrible, saddening thing, for the victims and people coming forward, and long time fans of the band who looked up to and respected them, Till especially. It seems in recent years he's gone off the deep end and watching the under the stage video thing, as well as Till the End - it felt dirty to see and like something you shouldn't really be watching...allegedly in the name of 'art'.

    The Till from years ago always seemed a lot more sophisticated, now it's just shock.

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    Absolutely horrible how all of this seems to unfold in light of the tour starting just now. I'm not sure at this point if I should sell my ticket as I might not be able to enjoy the show with these topics in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jord View Post
    The Till from years ago always seemed a lot more sophisticated, now it's just shock.
    I feel like it was shock before and now it's just sick.

    If this tour doesn't get dropped by the promoter pretty soon i'll be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voidnz View Post
    This is like the Manson thing on steroids and with a plethora of damning evidence to back it all up. Has anyone seen that Till the End thing? Someone linked it to the reddit - so messed up. That alone should get this dude locked up. How is this dude not cancelled?
    What Manson thing are you insinuating? Are you up to speed on that subject? Perhaps not.

    With regards to Rammstein, I don't get how people could be surprised at the antics...this has been going on for years...I know someone who went to the Dublin afterparty and it was utter chaos as expected. About the spiking, there's zero evidence.

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    Well, well. Peter Tšgtgren's manager/agent (she used to be his girlfriend, now his wife I guess) has expressed support for Shelby. https://www.reddit.com/r/Lindemann/c...ena_situation/

    Just in time for the Helsinki show, there's a Finnish article about the allegations: https://kaaoszine.fi/nainen-syyttaa-...sta-jatkoista/
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    I hadn't paid close attention to Rammstein for a while, but seriously, without even going into the stuff that's unproven, this is pretty fucked up.

    Dude plays a video of him getting a blowjob on the big screen while the band plays? And that "Till the End" video?

    If you want to be a porn star, go be a porn star, don't force it on people when they don't expect it, like at a rock concert.

    Whether he drugged anyone or not, he's clearly got boundry issues.

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    So, while out in Helsinki last night, Till and a Finnish rocker named Archie Cruz got into a "wrestling match" which ended in Till punching the guy in the face. However, it was all in good fun, Cruz is enjoying the cut on his nose, can't remember if he returned Till's punch, is posting from the show and looking forward to watching Rammstein rock out today. Boys and their games!

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