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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Ticketoffices dot com is doing the same thing... I have roughly half a grand in "coupon credit" that I can put towards "future events" as long as I use the coupons before they expire. I get it; your industry is screwed, but just give me my goddamn money back.
    I've got a couple of things through tickpick who are doing the same thing too, and I don't mind it as much through them, because they're small and in danger of dying because of this whole situation. They kind of need the money, I can understand them holding out and offering credit only and such.

    But ticketmaster? Fuck them. They're gigantic and make crazy amounts doing nothing but selling tickets, jacking prices up and generally screwing fans and venues over. They've got the money to survive this thing and they're still holding out just because they can and they're shitty fucking assholes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eskimo View Post
    I've got a couple of things through tickpick who are doing the same thing too, and I don't mind it as much through them, because they're small and in danger of dying because of this whole situation. They kind of need the money, I can understand them holding out and offering credit only and such.

    But ticketmaster? Fuck them. They're gigantic and make crazy amounts doing nothing but selling tickets, jacking prices up and generally screwing fans and venues over. They've got the money to survive this thing and they're still holding out just because they can and they're shitty fucking assholes.
    The stock price is the only thing that matters anymore for a company like ticketbastard. Same with most big corporations. PT Barnum (true father of the US) would be proud. There's a sucker born every minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckrh View Post
    The stock price is the only thing that matters anymore for a company like ticketbastard. Same with most big corporations. PT Barnum (true father of the US) would be proud. There's a sucker born every minute.
    So buy Live Nation stock. It's on sale for something like 40% off right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    So buy Live Nation stock. It's on sale for something like 40% off right now.
    hard pass. i'd rather go to the casino. at least you know that its a trap going in whereas the stock market is just another tool for the rich to profit off the peasants. i'm getting more radical in my dotage.

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    Ummm....you do know that casinos are owned by the wealthy, and the peasants lose their money most of the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckrh View Post
    hard pass. i'd rather go to the casino. at least you know that its a trap going in whereas the stock market is just another tool for the rich to profit off the peasants. i'm getting more radical in my dotage.
    Okay. Honest question: how do you plan on being able to retire without using stocks? Unless you're "the rich" or plan on living on a very meager amount of money from social security, you're gonna have a real hard time doing that without the compound interest earned from decades of investing in stocks. (Yes, bonds exist too, but the amount of money you'd have to invest in them over the years to make their low-return earnings a viable retirement fund would pretty much qualify you as "the rich".)

    You do you, I guess. Have fun losing money by giving it right to humble, hard-working casino owners like Donald Trump and his friends in exchange for a couple hours of cheap thrills.

    Back on topic: this is a very interesting article for people who enjoy ethics debates. People are signing up by the thousands to request human challenge trials, which are...well, controversial is a pretty good word for it. This is one of those things that I'm not even sure I know where I land on, because there are obviously major concerns, but also major potential rewards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    Okay. Honest question: how do you plan on being able to retire without using stocks? Unless you're "the rich" or plan on living on a very meager amount of money from social security, you're gonna have a real hard time doing that without the compound interest earned from decades of investing in stocks. (Yes, bonds exist too, but the amount of money you'd have to invest in them over the years to make their low-return earnings a viable retirement fund would pretty much qualify you as "the rich".)

    You do you, I guess. Have fun losing money by giving it right to humble, hard-working casino owners like Donald Trump and his friends in exchange for a couple hours of cheap thrills.

    Back on topic: this is a very interesting article for people who enjoy ethics debates. People are signing up by the thousands to request human challenge trials, which are...well, controversial is a pretty good word for it. This is one of those things that I'm not even sure I know where I land on, because there are obviously major concerns, but also major potential rewards.
    I have a disability claim that will most likely outlive me. Also, a 401K that was set up by former employer. That's in lieu of the pension that the corporations have weaseled out of because it was cutting into the obscene profits. We're living in rollerball combined with the 4th reich. the road to tyranny is long & insidious. it helps to pay attention. & i was just illustrating a point with casino reference. for me madison ave & wall st are the epicenter of evil. goebbels would be proud of the propaganda we live with now.

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    Spot on impersonation of Boris Johnson’s coronavirus advice in the UK by Matt Lucas. Nobody knows what the fuck is going on or what we’re allowed to do. But as long as we #stayalert everything will be OK


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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    Spot on impersonation of Boris Johnson’s coronavirus advice in the UK by Matt Lucas. Nobody knows what the fuck is going on or what we’re allowed to do. But as long as we #stayalert everything will be OK
    Loved this from Matt Lucas too.

    Boris is a fucking cockwomble. I think its a gamble on his 'herd immunity' idea. Who cares when it's manual labourers who can't work from home, office and factory workers being called back, kill a few more tens of thousands because it won't be his 'sort of people', or the people putting pressure on the government to lift the lockdown for personal economic reasons. Seething.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckrh View Post
    I have a disability claim that will most likely outlive me. Also, a 401K that was set up by former employer. That's in lieu of the pension that the corporations have weaseled out of because it was cutting into the obscene profits. We're living in rollerball combined with the 4th reich. the road to tyranny is long & insidious. it helps to pay attention. & i was just illustrating a point with casino reference. for me madison ave & wall st are the epicenter of evil. goebbels would be proud of the propaganda we live with now.
    You realize a 401k is dependent on the stock market, yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckrh View Post
    I have a disability claim that will most likely outlive me. Also, a 401K that was set up by former employer. That's in lieu of the pension that the corporations have weaseled out of because it was cutting into the obscene profits. We're living in rollerball combined with the 4th reich. the road to tyranny is long & insidious. it helps to pay attention. & i was just illustrating a point with casino reference. for me madison ave & wall st are the epicenter of evil. goebbels would be proud of the propaganda we live with now.
    FWIW, even the Federal Government doesn’t pay a strict pension, anymore, not since Reagan; it’s a hybrid called FERS. https://www.opm.gov/retirement-servi...s-information/

    A big part of FERS is the TSP. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrift_Savings_Plan

    There’s many forms of retirement plans that aren’t just “giving all my money to The Man.” A huge chunk of my retirement is a profit-sharing fund that I contributed very little to, that was one of my bennies. Another big chunk of it is the funds matched by my employers in 401Ks. I kept my funds really low-risk for many years; during the entire Bush Administration, I had my 401K in a Fidelity “Cash Core” account that made hardly anything but lost ZERO. In 2012, I rolled it all into a moderate-risk IRA and it’s since tripled. I also own residential real estate I’m sitting in which has appreciated in value.

    Pensions are going to go bye-bye, not because of greed but because the economy just can’t afford them, anymore. Just ask the State of Illinois.
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    Cuomo is announcing that some parts of NYS can begin Phase 1 reopening on Friday (things like construction / manufacturing, curbside pickup for non-essential retail, and agriculture / forestry / fishing). I think it's smart of him to recognize that not all of the state is NYC and treat different areas accordingly.

    (Breakdown of the phases and the criteria for progressing to them for anyone interested: https://abc7ny.com/coronavirus-new-y...-news/6171314/)

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    I expect the numbers in the tri state area to shoot up in the next two weeks. I saw these pictures from yesterday and got so angry. do you see many masks social distancing? this is in NJ.



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    Scary. The Jersey Shore is definitely going to be a cluster fuck this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archive_Reports View Post
    You realize a 401k is dependent on the stock market, yeah?
    Yes. It wasn't my choice to have it. As I stated sort of, my life expectancy isn't good. Sucks having an incurable disease. I've already died briefly once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ickyvicky View Post
    Scary. The Jersey Shore is definitely going to be a cluster fuck this summer.
    the problem is....people from everywhere go to the Jersey Shore...different parts of NJ, Philly, NYC. the local hospitals down there are not equipped for a big outbreak. not only that, put people will be bringing the virus/taking it back with them and spreading it to their communities. this is why I fear there won't be a "second wave" but just one big long endless wave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    FWIW, even the Federal Government doesn’t pay a strict pension, anymore, not since Reagan; it’s a hybrid called FERS. https://www.opm.gov/retirement-servi...s-information/

    A big part of FERS is the TSP. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrift_Savings_Plan

    There’s many forms of retirement plans that aren’t just “giving all my money to The Man.” A huge chunk of my retirement is a profit-sharing fund that I contributed very little to, that was one of my bennies. Another big chunk of it is the funds matched by my employers in 401Ks. I kept my funds really low-risk for many years; during the entire Bush Administration, I had my 401K in a Fidelity “Cash Core” account that made hardly anything but lost ZERO. In 2012, I rolled it all into a moderate-risk IRA and it’s since tripled. I also own residential real estate I’m sitting in which has appreciated in value.

    Pensions are going to go bye-bye, not because of greed but because the economy just can’t afford them, anymore. Just ask the State of Illinois.
    The thing that gets me is when they talk about wealth going away, they never say exactly where it goes. It's going somewhere. I know a lot of that is on paper. I just don't trust corporations at all. We are living in what the Germans were trying to do with the marriage of industry & state. There is obscene wealth out there due to it but in a very small part of the population. The Koch brother(s) for instance. Bernie Sanders was on the right track & his message has been consistent over his career. The system is broken beyond redemption. It's greed uber alles. We need to take a hard look at the Scandinavian countries in order to maybe rescue it. Way I look at it is we're almost as fucked (I said almost) if Biden wins. He's fully owned by the big banks & Wall St. We (US) are a failed experiment, let's try a new one. We've already given away most of our industry for the sake of stock prices. For instance, the satan I worked for absolutely have been spreading their legs for China for years. Maybe this is the beginning of the big crash. I would bet money that a war is coming & soon after the pandemic is over. Things are going to get far uglier. Sorry for the vent but I'm a student of history & some things are apparent if you really study it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckrh View Post
    spreading their legs
    You lost me forever, here.

    The rest of your post totally ignores the legacy of Ronald Reagan, whose four pillars of economic policy were to reduce the growth of government spending, reduce the federal income tax and capital gains tax, reduce government regulation, and tighten the money supply in order to reduce inflation. Reagan was also the father of globalization. His staunch support of deregulation carried through to several more administrations, leading to manufacturing largely leaving the United States while “service” jobs remained (largely untaxed). Democrats have fought for more regulation; Clinton and Carter were disasters who faced Republican-controlled Congresses and were forced to negotiate away regulations in exchange for more centrist policy laws, the affects of which we still see today. CONGRESS legislates. Reagan was backed by a Republican Congress that was fully on-board with his voodoo economic bullshit. Remember, Reagan HATED Medicare, said it was Communist.

    If you want to see what really happened, read “ Barbarians at the Gate: The Fall of RJR Nabisco.”

    An interesting aside to this is Sanders’ voting AGAINST the ability to sue gun manufacturers. Hint hint.

    This country has ALWAYS been an oligarchy, since its creation. Our Founding Fathers were wealthy dudes who owned slaves.

    My grandparents lived through the depression so they never trusted the stock market. Instead, they hoarded money, bought whole life insurance policies, invested in real estate, etc. They owned a small business so a pension was out of the question. My grandpa died of pancreatic cancer at 68. My grandma died 2 years later. They left over $250,000 in cash plus real estate to their two kids, who pissed it all away in less than two years. Now, my husband and I are supporting one of those kids, who’s 82. Ah, life.

    Anyway ... I think a lot of changes are going to come out of this economic disaster by the time it’s over. Pensions won’t come back, they may go away totally in some areas and replaced by some other type of security, I think perhaps some kind of guaranteed Federal living wage (a UBI like Andrew Yang proposed or programs like FDR had after the Great Depression). First, we have to address the massive financial and work disparities for minorities.

    Our economy is built almost entirely on CONSUMERS and this is all crashing down. The consumer debt index is at an all-time high, higher than in 2008. The Fat Cats at the top are doing everything possible for status quo. Consumer excess spending and the appetite for mass quantities of cheap goods (all produced in China) must all be quashed before any real “change” will occur. Marxism blames not only the top for Capitalist consumerism; it blames the idiot consumers, too, for propping it all up. You want real “change?” The hippies will have to come back, en masse, living off the land, rejecting the comforts of Capitalist goods, getting off the grid, rejecting the college mandate, etc., all of which will cut off the money stream to the top and starve it. It’s like cutting off the blood supply to a cancerous tumor. That tumor won’t go away if consumers continue to help it grow.

    Drift = Off
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    You lost me forever, here.

    The rest of your post totally ignores the legacy of Ronald Reagan, whose four pillars of economic policy were to reduce the growth of government spending, reduce the federal income tax and capital gains tax, reduce government regulation, and tighten the money supply in order to reduce inflation. Reagan was also the father of globalization. His staunch support of deregulation carried through to several more administrations, leading to manufacturing largely leaving the United States while “service” jobs remained (largely untaxed). Democrats have fought for more regulation; Clinton and Carter were disasters who faced Republican-controlled Congresses and were forced to negotiate away regulations in exchange for more centrist policy laws, the affects of which we still see today. CONGRESS legislates. Reagan was backed by a Republican Congress that was fully on-board with his voodoo economic bullshit. Remember, Reagan HATED Medicare, said it was Communist.

    If you want to see what really happened, read “ Barbarians at the Gate: The Fall of RJR Nabisco.”

    An interesting aside to this is Sanders’ voting AGAINST the ability to sue gun manufacturers. Hint hint.

    This country has ALWAYS been an oligarchy, since its creation. Our Founding Fathers were wealthy dudes who owned slaves.

    My grandparents lived through the depression so they never trusted the stock market. Instead, they hoarded money, bought whole life insurance policies, invested in real estate, etc. They owned a small business so a pension was out of the question. My grandpa died of pancreatic cancer at 68. My grandma died 2 years later. They left over $250,000 in cash plus real estate to their two kids, who pissed it all away in less than two years. Now, my husband and I are supporting one of those kids, who’s 82. Ah, life.

    Anyway ... I think a lot of changes are going to come out of this economic disaster by the time it’s over. Pensions won’t come back, they may go away totally in some areas and replaced by some other type of security, I think perhaps some kind of guaranteed Federal living wage (a UBI like Andrew Yang proposed or programs like FDR had after the Great Depression). First, we have to address the massive financial and work disparities for minorities.

    Our economy is built almost entirely on CONSUMERS and this is all crashing down. The consumer debt index is at an all-time high, higher than in 2008. The Fat Cats at the top are doing everything possible for status quo. Consumer excess spending and the appetite for mass quantities of cheap goods (all produced in China) must all be quashed before any real “change” will occur. Marxism blames not only the top for Capitalist consumerism; it blames the idiot consumers, too, for propping it all up. You want real “change?” The hippies will have to come back, en masse, living off the land, rejecting the comforts of Capitalist goods, getting off the grid, rejecting the college mandate, etc., all of which will cut off the money stream to the top and starve it. It’s like cutting off the blood supply to a cancerous tumor. That tumor won’t go away if consumers continue to help it grow.

    Drift = Off
    Sorry for the metaphor but it is apt. Management in said corporation is horrible. Have you ever worked in the belly of the beast? I tried to send you a note but you don't accept them. & the last part of your post. I do most of what you described already & have been well before the pandemic. People forget (depending on your belief system) that Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple. I think I've mentioned before but PT Barnum is the father of the modern US. There's a sucker born every minute....

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    so mitch mcconnell tested positive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweeterthan View Post
    so mitch mcconnell tested positive.

    Are you serious? I'm not seeing any news outlets confirming this

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweeterthan View Post
    so mitch mcconnell tested positive.
    Speaking of the belly of the beast ...

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    I think that was a joke tweet by Jena Friedman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Are you serious? I'm not seeing any news outlets confirming this
    my husband saw it reddit. and i saw it on twitter


    https://twitter.com/jenafriedman/sta...200668672?s=21

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    Coronavirus - COVID-19

    Quote Originally Posted by Swykk View Post
    I think that was a joke tweet by Jen Freidman.
    i guess it could be. i don’t know.
    edit: i see she’s a comedian. i guess it’s kinda funny. part of me hoped it was true. way to get my hopes up jena!

    edit2: man i haven’t really wished it on anyone but i really wanted him to have it when i read this. he’s got more power than trump.

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    she deleted but i did like her idea of sparking joy.

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    I can see a lot of people loving this Lockdown who seem to think it will bring down capitalism or whatever, ignoring the fact that the likes of Bezos and Amazon are doing bloody great out of it, and the small businesses and local shops are going to be the ones hurt the hardest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    I can see a lot of people loving this Lockdown who seem to think it will bring down capitalism or whatever, ignoring the fact that the likes of Bezos and Amazon are doing bloody great out of it, and the small businesses and local shops are going to be the ones hurt the hardest.
    I must be doing a decent job of avoiding the crazies, because I don't think I've seen anyone who thought this would actually bring down Bezos et al. I think there's a chance that we'll at least start having real conversations about social service reforms and ways to help the 99%. Whether anything will actually come of it remains to be seen. But right now there are tens of millions of voters - both D and R - who are freaking the hell out. So maybe, just maybe, there will start being some meaningful discussions about ways to help people. But yeah, the idea that Amazon (whose owner has already seen his personal fortune climb by over $25,000,000,000.00 this YEAR) and similar companies are going to suffer from this is laughable. Wouldn't it be great if all these politicians looked at that and went "hmm...we could do a lot of good by just taxing people like that"?

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    amazon and walmart are LOVING this, I hate to say it. the virus will eliminate even more of their competition.

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    and they can legit say it wasn't because of them buying someone off for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by versusreality View Post
    amazon and walmart are LOVING this, I hate to say it. the virus will eliminate even more of their competition.
    Bezos never made most of his profits from the retail arm of Amazon; he brings in the most revenue from the retail arm, but the lion’s share of his PROFIT comes from AWS; Marketplace actually loses money most of the time. Amazon Marketplace has been sold out of most necessary shit lately; Target and Walmart have been really cleaning up.

    But what this Covid disaster CAN do, especially if it continues through December or longer, is put a shit ton of already-stressed brick-and-mortar retail under, forever. As well as many restaurants. Which is no great loss, really. When nearly 30 million people in the U.S. are unemployed and the vast majority are service and retail jobs, there is time for some change. In marketing, this is called a “shakeout.”

    As I said, NOTHING is going to kill Capitalism because nobody is willing to give up their materialistic lifestyles filled with a bunch of unnecessary shit and debt up to their eyeballs. The Walton family didn’t become really rich by accident. Colleges are just profit-generating corporations pushing false employment promises at huge costs that take lifetimes to repay. The consumer debt index was higher in December of 2019 than it was in 2008 at the height of the Great Recession, and Covid hadn’t hit, yet.

    What will be REALLY interesting is if unemployment continues and people begin defaulting on all that credit debt. And those defaults begin hitting the banks. A whole lot of cars could be repossessed.

    What really concerns me a lot is agriculture. Farmers are really suffering right now. The food value supply chain is in danger. Meat processing plants are closing. This is a good time to become a vegetarian or vegan. But potato farmers can’t even get their crops to market. Also, the auto industry is getting hammered. I hope some real GOOD changes happen for auto workers.
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