Trump 2020-21 - Epilogue

[cdm]

Are all of the statements and facts he said lies? And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?

He lies constantly. Partly because he's dishonest and only cares about himself and his family's wealth, real or perceived. The other times he just makes shit up because he doesn't know shit about shit so he wings it. Or he regurgitates literal conspiracies / propaganda he hears on Fox News, sometimes verbatim. Literally. Some of the batshit things he tweets can be traced back to a Fox News segment 10 or 15 minutes prior. This is the type of shit we expect from Chuck Woolery or James Woods...not from the President of the fucking United States.

He was a main antagonist with the birther conspiracy. He's used his presidency to undo Obama's legacy for spite. It's deranged.

Scumbag is too polite a descriptor.

[ekrekel]

Listening to Trump talk and the things he says is very inspiring. He recognized several people in the audience and seems to have no prejudice against race or gender in regards to the recognition and the accomplishments made over the past 3 years.

So... I watched it and think to myself wow what an amazing country and president.

Are all of the statements and facts he said lies? And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?

There are many groups doing fact checking on his claims. This breakdown seems pretty digestible and backed up by research. I haven't read about the SoTU analysis yet, but I've no doubt the claims followed a similar bell curve centering around mostly false.

The problem is his base takes everything he says as fact. If they were facts perhaps you're right he's great and there's no prejudice. Unfortunately, it seems much more likely that he is propping those people up as examples of how he's helped certain demographics that may be helpful in the election. All presidents have done this, but it seems particularly disingenuous coming from him.

Wouldn't a normal person have succumbed to the sheer amount of blood pressure that Trump has by now? He can't be human.

[allegro]

I don’t think a lot of people understand what a Speaker of the House really is, does, or how they got there.

[ryanmcfly]

And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?

Trump is a scumbag for a litany of reasons. For instance, Reason number 136 is that he took out a one page op ed saying that the Central Park Five should be executed. They were later acquitted due to DNA evidence and someone confessing to the crime (whose DNA matched the crime scene.) Trump still refuses to admit that it was a mistake to jail them as teenagers and will still say that they were bad people.

[snaapz]

Thanks for all the replies, we do get CNN here and it's pretty much 24/7 TRUMP SHOW... but I don't watch it.

I appreciate everyone's time and info provided!!

[ekrekel]

Thanks for all the replies, we do get CNN here and it's pretty much 24/7 TRUMP SHOW... but I don't watch it.

I appreciate everyone's time and info provided!!

American politics has become sporting event. Everyone loves their team hates the other team so much they don't care at all about what their team is actually doing. The TV networks have joined in. Fox is pure Trump, MSNBC is seemingly the opposing equivalent. CNN is certainly left leaning, but I don't believe it to be the Antichrist it is portrayed to be.


Linky to chart grading various media outlets vs political leaning and level of facts vs opinion in their reporting.

[halo eighteen]

American politics has become sporting event. Everyone loves their team hates the other team so much they don't care at all about what their team is actually doing. The TV networks have joined in. Fox is pure Trump, MSNBC is seemingly the opposing equivalent. CNN is certainly left leaning, but I don't believe it to be the Antichrist it is portrayed to be.

It kind of blows my mind that reporting on facts (like Trump's lies, which are factual) is somehow demonstrative of being liberal media, or fake news, or even merely leaning to a certain side... but I guess that's the current state of where we've ended up.

[allegate]

I hope you lose so bad you have to retire to a different country.

there's that word again, "hope".

[allegate]

Poor Mitt, RIP.

[allegro]

Props to Romney. First time any Senator has crossed party lines in any Presidential impeachment.

[allegro]

Note that Romney voted Guilty in Article I (Abuse of Power) but Not Guilty in Article II (Obstruction of Congress).

I had to talk my Mom off a ledge the other day due to all this, reminding her that a President Pence wouldn’t have changed one damned thing.

[halo eighteen]

Note that Romney voted Guilty in Article I (Abuse of Power) but Not Guilty in Article II (Obstruction of Congress).

I had to talk my Mom off a ledge the other day due to all this, reminding her that a President Pence wouldn’t have changed one damned thing.

One could argue that a President Pence would be even worse. There was really ultimately no good solution here. November is and has always been what matters, yeah.

[allegate]

[somewhat_]

One could argue that a President Pence would be even worse. There was really ultimately no good solution here. November is and has always been what matters, yeah.

Policy wise, you’re probably right. But Trump still should have been removed for his high crimes - the precedence this has set is alarming. You could also argue, though, that If time was on our side and things could’ve been investigated thoroughly, that Pence would/should also be impeached for his role.

[sweeterthan]

Pence has already been implicated in the abuse of power. The house should impeach him next.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/4307439002/

[allegate]

It is absurd to suggest that the president threatened to retaliate against any republican senator who-

well there you go. ignore the recall tweets because you can't do that to a senator.

[allegate]

Pence has already been implicated in the abuse of power. The house should impeach him next.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/4307439002/

that would be delicious. I wonder if Trump, known for tossing people like so much garbage, would even be OK with that so he could pick a new VP?

[allegate]

Jesus. it's like he hits every button in the conspiracy theory bingo. I hope for his sake that he's doing this from a healthy mental space because it doesn't sound right. it's just a lot to take in if true, especially after the past two weeks.

[Kodiak33]

So, I may have watched a couple state of the unions in the past with other presidents. I live in Canada. I don't follow politics too closely.

I saw it on last night so my wife and I watched it.

Listening to Trump talk and the things he says is very inspiring. He recognized several people in the audience and seems to have no prejudice against race or gender in regards to the recognition and the accomplishments made over the past 3 years.

So... I watched it and think to myself wow what an amazing country and president.


Are all of the statements and facts he said lies? And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?

Try reading this and you'll probably see.

https://twitter.com/ddale8

[Patrick_Nicholas]

So, what did we learn about the GOP yesterday? If the Kavanaugh shitstorm apparently didn't make it obvious, 99% of the GOP voting to let Trump off should pretty much spell out that they're going to stick up for Trump no matter what. No matter what evidence pops up, the most of them are simply going to keep pretending it isn't there. We need to make sure to flip the Senate in November because that's pretty much the only way any meaningful progress can be made now.

[richardp]

Try reading this and you'll probably see.

https://twitter.com/ddale8

Jesus fucking CHRIST. WHAT!? WHAT THE FUCK!?!? He's sitting here openly talking shit on this motherfucker for taking a bullet in extreme detail and the entire room is fucking laughing!?!?

Dude these fucking people are GENUINELY fucking evil as fuck.

[theimage13]

So: Vindman was fired for complying with a subpoena. Sure seems illegal. (Don't even get me started on the firing of his BROTHER. That's some crazy North Korean shit right there.)

Madam Speaker, are you up for filing additional articles of impeachment? If he's going to keep breaking the law, we should just keep impeaching him. Will it solve anything? No. But is putting him on trial for illegal behavior still the right thing to do? I would hope so.

[richardp]

Sondland fired too

[allegate]

[M1ke]

Madam Speaker, are you up for filing additional articles of impeachment? If he's going to keep breaking the law, we should just keep impeaching him. Will it solve anything? No. But is putting him on trial for illegal behavior still the right thing to do? I would hope so.

I like that idea. Make him the first president in history to be impeached more than once.

[ltrandazzo]

So: Vindman was fired for complying with a subpoena. Sure seems illegal. (Don't even get me started on the firing of his BROTHER. That's some crazy North Korean shit right there.)

Madam Speaker, are you up for filing additional articles of impeachment? If he's going to keep breaking the law, we should just keep impeaching him. Will it solve anything? No. But is putting him on trial for illegal behavior still the right thing to do? I would hope so.

Gonna send you over to Brian Beutler - Keep The Impeachment Inquiry Alive - https://crooked.com/articles/keep-th...inquiry-alive/

[theimage13]

Sent out a feeler on Facebook the other day to see if any of my friends could offer a justification for last week's events (Rush medal, firings). The only reply I got was (and I quote, grammar and all): "read the news thats how I found out "

I guess that's a no then. (Guy who posted it is a die-hard Trumper who, when we were on business in Asia, was all too keen to brag about how we have this fantastic president who loves to make fun of losers, "and we call those losers Democrats". I hate that I have to rely on the guy's unparalleled expertise in his technical field in order to get out of jams once in a great while.)

[allegate]

DOJ: we rec 7-9 years for Roger Stone, in part because he attempted to intimidate a judge and witness tamper
Trump: (gets mad in tweet)
DOJ:

Amazing to think that some people would find voting for four more years of this total system unraveling less destructive than voting for a socialist who has served in the senate for an eternity without ruining anything at all.

should not have read this this early in the morning.

[richardp]

Fuck. Between the Friday Night Massacre and this, I guess we're finally arrived at the full Dictator level of Trumpianism. What's next? Anyone who votes Democrat is going to get rounded up and put in camps by the end of the year?

Can only hope the judge in Stone's trial will do the right thing here.

[cdm]

Fuck. Between the Friday Night Massacre and this, I guess we're finally arrived at the full Dictator level of Trumpianism. What's next? Anyone who votes Democrat is going to get rounded up and put in camps by the end of the year?

Can only hope the judge in Stone's trial will do the right thing here.

I think it's pretty clear what they're setting up here. It can go one of two ways and neither are good for the rule of law:

1. Judge issues lenient sentence based on updated DOJ recommendations. Trump knows a Stone pardon will look like shit to everyone but his base. This is a way to put his foot on the scale for ol Roger while not issuing a pardon.

2. (More likely) Judge Jackson says "Fuck you" and ignores DOJ's request...and to that, on Nov 3, Trump issues a pardon saying the judge was too harsh and unfair.

Edit: the lead prosecutor in the case just withdrew from the case and resigned. Hopefully things start to get loud.