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    Trump, threatening Twitter, via Tweet... are we so far down the rabbit hole that the irony of this isn't even amusing anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    Did I do this right?


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    Last edited by allegro; 05-27-2020 at 11:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post


    This would literally be the first movie in years that I actively looked forward to seeing. Can't be done with actors though. Gotta be the real thing. I'll pay extra if TR & AR write a new score for it, even if it's just something like synth versions of John Philip Sousa marches.

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    It's no surprise that Zuckerberg is a scumbag. always has been.

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    Here is the draft of the executive order. Right out the gate he invokes free speech, which really highlights the fundamental misunderstanding that most people have of that concept and what it covers... our president included, apparently.

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    Trump 2020 - There are still children in detention separated from their parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    Here is the draft of the executive order. Right out the gate he invokes free speech, which really highlights the fundamental misunderstanding that most people have of that concept and what it covers... our president included, apparently.
    people frequently misunderstand the first amendment. trump doing it isn’t shocking but it is disappointing. he is basically abusing the term “free speech”. he’s the government. twitter is a private company. he would be violating their free speech if he tried to shut them down or get them to comply with his bullshit lies.

    his tyranny has no boundaries.

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    Yeah. I'm so used to see private citizens screaming that their first amendment rights are being abused when their employers fire them for saying horrifically awful things online. I've just never seen the fucking POTUS do the same thing...and then actually attempt to ACT ON IT.

    Is it safe to assume that whatever stupid ass thing he signs, there will be lawsuits within 24-48 hours and hopefully a court overruling it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    Here is the draft of the executive order. Right out the gate he invokes free speech, which really highlights the fundamental misunderstanding that most people have of that concept and what it covers... our president included, apparently.
    Exactly. The Constitutional right to free speech protects you FROM THE GOVERNMENT. It means the GOVERNMENT can’t come after you and arrest you for your speech (with limits, like hate speech or insurrection etc.).

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    I still can't believe that we've arrived at a point in history where a large enough group of people are outraged because they ACTUALLY THINK the fucking GOVERNMENT is being censored by a private company.

    I am just going to have to stay baffled by this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    I still can't believe that we've arrived at a point in history where a large enough group of people are outraged because they ACTUALLY THINK the fucking GOVERNMENT is being censored by a private company.

    I am just going to have to stay baffled by this one.
    Trump and his sycophantic idiots don’t understand Section 230.

    Section 230 is part of the Communications Decency Act.

    The Communications Decency Act of 1996 (CDA) was the first notable attempt by the United States Congress to regulate pornographic material on the Internet. In 1997, in the landmark case of Reno v. ACLU, the United States Supreme Court struck the anti-indecency provisions of the act.

    The act was title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. It was introduced to the Senate Committee of Commerce, Science, and Transportation by Senators James Exon (D-NE) and Slade Gorton (R-WA) in 1995.[1] The amendment that became the CDA was added to the Telecommunications Act in the Senate by an 81–18 vote on June 15, 1995.[2]

    As eventually passed by Congress, Title V affected the Internet (and online communications) in two significant ways. First, it attempted to regulate both indecency (when available to children) and obscenity in cyberspace. Second, section 230 of the act has been interpreted to say that operators of Internet services are not to be construed as publishers (and thus not legally liable for the words of third parties who use their services).

    Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act was not part of the original Senate legislation, but was added in conference with the House, where it had been separately introduced by Representatives Christopher Cox (R-CA) and Ron Wyden (D-OR) as the Internet Freedom and Family Empowerment Act and passed by a near-unanimous vote on the floor. It added protection for online service providers and users from actions against them based on the content of third parties, stating in part that "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." Effectively, this section immunizes both ISPs and Internet users from liability for torts committed by others using their website or online forum, even if the provider fails to take action after receiving actual notice of the harmful or offensive content.

    Through the so-called Good Samaritan provision, this section also protects ISPs from liability for restricting access to certain material or giving others the technical means to restrict access to that material.

    On July 23, 2013, the attorneys general of 47 states sent a letter to Congress requesting that the criminal and civil immunity in section 230 be removed. The ACLU wrote of the proposal, "If Section 230 is stripped of its protections, it wouldn't take long for the vibrant culture of free speech to disappear from the web."
    What Trump wants is exactly the opposite of what he’s doing but he’s too stupid to see it. He’s putting Twitter (and all social media and ISPs) in the position of HAVING TO CENSOR EVERYTHING in order to protect themselves from liability.

    He’s giving Twitter the burden to get heavy-handed with bans and censorship in order to protect themselves from liability, because the protection under Section 230 will be gone.

    Trump is ALWAYS a case study in “be careful what you ask for.”

    Edit: I should state, here, that I hate Section 230.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Trump and his sycophantic idiots don’t understand Section 230.

    Section 230 is part of the Communications Decency Act.



    What Trump wants is exactly the opposite of what he’s doing but he’s too stupid to see it. He’s putting Twitter (and all social media and ISPs) in the position of HAVING TO CENSOR EVERYTHING in order to protect themselves from liability.

    He’s giving Twitter the burden to get heavy-handed with bans and censorship in order to protect themselves from liability, because the protection under Section 230 will be gone.

    Trump is ALWAYS a case study in “be careful what you ask for.”
    Here's my concern though: Trump = free money for Twitter. So while they might up the banning and other censorship of plebes like you and me, they sure as shit aren't going to do something like block his account or delete each and ever blatant lie that he posts.

    They should. But they won't. I will print this message and eat it if they actually ban his account in order to reduce liability.

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    I'd actually be very happy if Twitter shuts down tbh

    I know it won't happen of course

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    Trump: TWITTER IS CENSORING ME:

    Twitter: we're literally writing in plain English that you should be banned, but we won't do it because we're money-grabbing pussies.


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    wait is that actually real? Holy shit

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    Now he's using the official White House twitter account to retweet all the insane shit he's tweeted in the past 12 hours, including that tweet about shooting protesters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdrcraig View Post
    Now he's using the official White House twitter account to retweet all the insane shit he's tweeted in the past 12 hours, including that tweet about shooting protesters.
    For someone who just stated that he literally wants to shut twitter down, he sure is using it an awful lot.

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    I'm paraphrasing a tweet I saw in passing yesterday, but behind every great dictatorship is a failing democracy.

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    Trump wants to shut down Twitter... If I were the CEO I'd just ban his fucking account. This is so ridiculous. You NEED Twitter you idiot! How do you not realize that? Maybe next he'll try shutting down McDonalds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Trump wants to shut down Twitter... If I were the CEO I'd just ban his fucking account. This is so ridiculous. You NEED Twitter you idiot! How do you not realize that? Maybe next he'll try shutting down McDonalds.
    He's their money maker though.....making controversy works for their business model. His too.

    He won't shut them down, and they won't shut him down. All that will come of this is that MAGA chuds will have another reason to feel attacked and it will solidify their support for Trump.

    This is not a real feud, this is a reality TV president having a reality TV spat with the Jerry Springer of the Internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eskimo View Post
    He's their money maker though.....making controversy works for their business model. His too.

    He won't shut them down, and they won't shut him down. All that will come of this is that MAGA chuds will have another reason to feel attacked and it will solidify their support for Trump.

    This is not a real feud, this is a reality TV president having a reality TV spat with the Jerry Springer of the Internet.
    I just thought... if I was the CEO of Twitter, at this juncture, I'd just shut the platform down until November 4th. Fuck it. This opinion has nothing to do with the fact that I despise Twitter for all the reasons that I think Trump loves it. There's just too much at stake at this point, and I wouldn't want to have history remember me as the mouthpiece of The Great American Fascist Moment.
    Last edited by Jinsai; 05-29-2020 at 01:45 PM.

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    You say that like anyone thinks about the future. Maybe I'm "the glass is fucking empty" depressed right now but look around. So few people in a position of power and change seem to care about anything beyond "I'ma get mine right now and fuck the rest of you".

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    Didn't answer any press questions after his live conference announcing he's ending U.S. relations with W.H.O.

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    it's time for the US to end relations with Trump

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